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Epic 4g Review Floodgates

Pretty obvious that the phone was intended for an August 20th release date considering all the sites just got allowed to post their reviews. And boy are there tons of reviews. Glad to tell you kind folks, it looks like this is going to be one killer phone!
http //gizmodo com/5613501/sprint-epic-4g-review-the-best-4g-phone
http //www slashgear com/sprint-epic-4g-review-1597717/
http //www pcmag com/article2/0,2817,2367811,00.asp
http //www laptopmag com/review/cell-phones/samsung-epic-4g.aspx
http //www engadget com/2010/08/16/epic-4g-review/
http //reviews cnet com/cell-phones/samsung-epic-4g-sprint/4505-6454_7-34129371.html
http //gear.ign com/articles/111/1116069p1.html
MobileBurn Video Review
http //www youtube com/watch?v=mb7rXruVU-M
http //www youtube com/watch?v=ezNUJx-Lq_M
Now I'm curious what caused Sprint to push it back to the 31st. Ooooooh, that date cannot come soon enough

thanks for the list!

Here is that list but with links.
http://www.gizmodo.com/5613501/sprint-epic-4g-review-the-best-4g-phone
http://www.slashgear.com/sprint-epic-4g-review-1597717/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2367811,00.asp
http://www.laptopmag.com/review/cell-phones/samsung-epic-4g.aspx
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/16/epic-4g-review/
http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/samsung-epic-4g-sprint/4505-6454_7-34129371.html

Thanks for the list, seems to have the GPS issue.(confirmed in the engadget review) Can't wait for the Fix in September!!!

Great list of reviews! I was actually reading the Gizmodo review and rushed here to post it but looks like you beat me to the punch. The phone looks great and the reviews are mostly positive but I'm going to stick with my Evo.

Actually, Engadget is the only one reporting that there is still an issue with the GPS.

From Engadget review:
You also get an SD-to-microSD converter that you'll be able to use with the 16GB microSD card that comes pre-installed underneath the phone's back cover (though you don't need to remove the battery to get at it, which is nice). Why 16GB when AT&T's and T-Mobile's versions only include 2GB? Good question: turns out the Epic only has a little over 400MB of app storage internally -- not the capacious 16GB of the others -- so Sprint compensates by throwing in a beefy card. Though that'll work just fine for 95 percent of users, it's important to note that this means you can't get it up to 48GB of available storage by picking up a 32GB card. Since it's obvious Sprint tried to make this phone as "epic" as possible, it's unclear why they left out that internal capacity; the only thing we can think of is that they simply ran out of room with all of the phone's modifications over the standard Galaxy S like the slider mechanism, the LED flash, and the WiMAX circuitry. Hard to say.
that sucks. I guess with Froyo the 400MB becomes a non issue but after abusing my Captivate with the amount of stuff I already installed seems to just be a bother. Internal storage should of been 2-4g mininum imo. Still looks like it's the best phone of the year.

Update from Engadget
[Update: We just spoke with Samsung, who told us that Google is now requiring that the "use wireless networks" setting for location-based services be turned off by default in Android devices -- in other words, no AGPS unless you manually enable it. Sure enough, we went into Settings, found that it was disabled on the Epic, turned it on, and we were good to go. No GPS bug!]
Weird. I guess that's a "fix", but what if we are in the middle of no where (no cell towers near) we still need real GPS.

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From Engadget review:
turns out the Epic only has a little over 400MB of app storage internally
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It's actually 1GB but I'm not sure how much of that you'll get to use.

It also means the Lag Fix used on the Vibrant/Captivate won't work here. it changes the I/O to write more efficiently by using the same logic used by Motorola. Unfortunately, you need space to do that (1.5 gigs in the Captivate) and it won't happen here. Making this phone the slowest of the bunch.

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It also means the Lag Fix used on the Vibrant/Captivate won't work here. it changes the I/O to write more efficiently by using the same logic used by Motorola. Unfortunately, you need space to do that (1.5 gigs in the Captivate) and it won't happen here. Making this phone the slowest of the bunch.
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The Epic 4G reviews didn't mention any speed/lag issues..
The reason for the lag fix in the first place is b/c the Vibrant/Captivate went with a cheaper internal-SD card solution, rather than an on-board NAND solution. link
Does anyone know if the the 1GB ROM on the Epic is an internal-SD or did they hopefully go with NAND?

All Samsung's will most likely use the proprietary file system (RFS), so it's likely the EPIC will have it as well. The thing is that the EPIC may end up the slowest of the bunch because of Sprint's decision to penalize the internal storage.
From a Samsung Site on the Captivate...
"Remember, most phones so far have only had 512mb or 1gb to date for all that stuff anyways, so you've got all that, plus room to spare still on the ROM. That's one thing Samsung did right on this phone hardware-wise, give us that generous 2gb." All except the Epic.
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orateam said:
All Samsung's will most likely use the proprietary file system (RFS), so it's likely the EPIC will have it as well. The thing is that the EPIC may end up the slowest of the bunch because of Sprint's decision to penalize the internal storage.
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Again, none of the reviews mention any slowness whatsoever. The link I sent in the previous post correlates the Vibrant/Captivate lag with the internal-SD, not the file-system. The jury is still out whether the Epic uses NAND or internal-SD for the 1GB.

Found this is the review so perhaps they did include all NAND with the smaller memory
From slash gear review
Happily, while use of the Galaxy S series was punctuated with freezes and pauses, anecdotally blamed upon the handsets’ use of an internal microSD card for their onboard storage, the Epic 4G seems generally free of such lag.
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The slowness is from the Vibrant and other devices with the larger storage using the slower SD card space to store the data there instead of nand. You can move this with root and su.
Will this happen with the sprint version? No telling but it might be better to only have the 1gb if its all nand and that is the only place the device has to store apps out of the box as opposed to a class 2 POS SD card that was pre installed.
400mb is about what the evo has, that or a little less and with apps to sd its enough.
Also, touchwiz is a terribly coded UI and that is causing a lot of the lag as well. Disabling it and removing it from the device and using a well coded launcher like ADW or launcher pro fixes any lag.
I'm not even going to consider buying this until it has root. Then I'll consider it. Nice that all the reviews are out early though.

I guess it depends on the review you read. Engadget wasn't so nice. They said the GPS issues weren't fixed as much as disabled via software. Also, they ran into performance issues and blamed it on the added bloat of software to handle the front camera, LED flash, and keyboard, using up the internal SD.
"We did, however, notice an occasional hiccup with the phone's many window transition animations where they'd flash or stutter; it was hard to tell whether this was a performance issue or simply a bug"
Also, after being at 97% battery, and using it for only 15 minutes, the battery died in 3 hours while in 4G. making 4G really only good for plug in use.
Overall, this review was more in line with the truth to me since the slash gear one was a little overly loving. I'll wait for a more in-depth review with benchmarks before i decide one way or the other. If they cannot fix the stutter/lag issues because they used up all the internal memory, i wont' get it.

orateam said:
Also, after being at 97% battery, and using it for only 15 minutes, the battery died in 3 hours while in 4G. making 4G really only good for plug in use.
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Wow... I like how you quoted the review for some parts, but not this one. You wanted to leave out a key piece of information.
I'll quote the actual review.
"Speaking of battery power, we got 3 hours and 43 minutes of use from 97 percent power to shutdown with the phone in 4G hotspot mode while occasionally interacting with the handset..."
That's right, they ran it in 4G WITH WIFI HOTSPOT TURNED on. The wifi hotspot feature kills the battery on the EVO just as fast, if not faster.

My mistake, I meant 4G hotspot. Geesh, calm down. The point is the same, but i'll elaborate, using the 4G internet, specifically for access via a laptop, is nearly useless unless you're plugged in. I personally don't see 4G as useful for anything else because for surfing the net on my phone, sprint's 3G always seemed fast enough. I don't do anything on my handheld phone that requires massive amounts of throughput. the only use for 4G when I had my EVO was to run it's 20mb speeds to my Ipad when i had it out on travels.

The actual usefulness of 4G speeds or greater is another topic altogether. I only turn it on if I want to pull up a youtube video really quick, or when I'm about to download 9 updates for my apps. Most of the time, 3G is good enough with good signal.

i will add this, sprints normal internet speeds (3G) are the fastest and most stable of all the carriers i've had.
I would rank it like this:
1)sprint
2)Verizon
3)tmobile
4)ATT

orateam said:
"We did, however, notice an occasional hiccup with the phone's many window transition animations where they'd flash or stutter; it was hard to tell whether this was a performance issue or simply a bug"
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(my emphasis added)
"The device seems faster, doesn’t hang up or balk when navigating around quickly, and is much, much more fun to use. When we first started to use the EPIC we had to go back to the Captivate to make sure we weren’t losing it –seriously — because the 4G device felt so much quicker. Surprisingly, it’s true. Even the on-screen keyboard on the EPIC feels more responsive. We tried and failed to get the EPIC to stutter like we could (almost effortlessly) with the Captivate; the EPIC even boots faster."
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/08/17/sprint-epic-4g-first-impressions/

So...4g...

So I know a lot of members here have 4G. I have experienced some 4G and have seen several videos and am just not impressed by the speeds. After some research on my end I found out just how fast WiMAX goes in other places such as Sweden which lead me to believe this is a Sprint issue for sure. Are you guys happy with your 4G speeds or do you want them to increase? Personally Sprint said something like 10x faster than 3G but I have only seen 2-3x faster.
Also - crazy story. The WiMAX network in Sweden was shut down after many people started complaining about headaches after it was turned on. It was reported that people some were hypersensitive to the WiMAX frequency that it operates on.

I'm ok with the speeds I get; however, I'm disappointed with the lack of consistency. In St. Louis I get anywhere from 2.5-3 Mbps down, but just across the river in Edwardsville, IL I was getting around 9 Mbps down on the tower on campus. I know the network load can't be that heavy in St. Louis to have such degraded performance.
werxen said:
Also - crazy story. The WiMAX network in Sweden was shut down after many people started complaining about headaches after it was turned on. It was reported that people some were hypersensitive to the WiMAX frequency that it operates on.
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Do you have any links to this? I'm doing an industry analysis on cellular telecommunications and another on Sprint and this would definitely be good information on external threats.

Wow... Yeah here's the link:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1038429/swedish-town-blighted-wimax
I had another video or something... I forget where I found it originally but that is pretty much the same thing. Anyway as far as I can remember WiMAX has been permanently shut down in Sweden pending further investigation last I heard.

That is nuts. I know there's a Wal-Mart in Granite City that has a radio right outside its doors and the hundreds of people that pass through there each day have no problems.
I have two things to ponder on this:
1. Since this is such a small town in Sweden, I wonder if they just haven't acclimated to having cellular freqencies in their area...which I find unlikely.
2. Or, since this IS such a small town, they don't want the WiMax radio making their quaint little town "ugly" and orchestrated a phony mass effect after they started the services. I wouldn't throw this out of the window...small town people are crazy.
You have to think of how strange of an anomoly this actually is. Millions of people have been exposed to these frequencies for years, and for such a small sample of people out of the population congregated so densly together is really really really odd. I mean, the people who developed these systems have been exposed to WiMax for years. I would think any negative effects would have been brought up by now.

topdawgn8 said:
...small town people are crazy.
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HAHAHA
That's only funny because it's true

topdawgn8 said:
That is nuts. I know there's a Wal-Mart in Granite City that has a radio right outside its doors and the hundreds of people that pass through there each day have no problems.
I have two things to ponder on this:
1. Since this is such a small town in Sweden, I wonder if they just haven't acclimated to having cellular freqencies in their area...which I find unlikely.
2. Or, since this IS such a small town, they don't want the WiMax radio making their quaint little town "ugly" and orchestrated a phony mass effect after they started the services. I wouldn't throw this out of the window...small town people are crazy.
You have to think of how strange of an anomoly this actually is. Millions of people have been exposed to these frequencies for years, and for such a small sample of people out of the population congregated so densly together is really really really odd. I mean, the people who developed these systems have been exposed to WiMax for years. I would think any negative effects would have been brought up by now.
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You bring up good points. The only thing I can think of is how much data is being transferred using WiMAX. While my knowledge is not sophisticated enough in wireless technologies to make an accurate assumption on what exactly is going on, I do remember that the WiMAX they had in Sweden was transferring data at ridiculous speeds - somewhere like 50mbits. Could the actual throughput speed cause a variation in frequencies or is speed not a factor in it at all? That is the only thing I can really think of...
What I also know is that Sweden has LTE technology and they have had no complaints about that - on a side note lets not dive into conspiracy theories. Also, Sweden is very technologically advanced when it comes to internet and wireless technologies. My friend gets 100/100mbit connections to his home for $15 USD. *rage face*

I'm ok with the downstream speeds. Upstream could use a boost--I mean I can almost hit 1 up with 3g.
My biggest issue is how poorly wimax penetrates buildings. I can regularly get 10/1 in Astoria if I'm on the street. Walk 20 feet into a bar and I'm only getting 1 down. Meanwhile I can get 1.5+ down on 3g without moving an inch.

Yeah, I'm going to recind my second statement. Apparently there is 3% of the population that are sensitive to EMR as per the WHO.
As for the throughput being an issue, I don't think this is the case. The EMR is there regardless of whether or not it is in an active data transfer (think of it as your wifi router at home, constantly broadcasting.) Then again, maybe I'm wrong, our phones as a mobile host may "wake" an idle tower upon request.

Just a few things...
In Sweden they are using 5.8GHz for their Wimax, here in the US it's 2.4GHz. The higher the frequency the more data you can pack within a single wave. The US has tighter MPE (Maximum Permissible Exposure) Limits. So here in the US power limits are lower. Wifi also shares part of the 2.4GHz spectrum. Notice you do not get that great range. Most WiFi units only put out in the range of 50-150mW of power. The standard antenna has about 1-2db gain(if you are lucky). Now on a tower the antennas they are using average about 20-30db gain, and transmitters (depending on the height) from 10-100W. In essence Wimax is WiFi on steroids. Until more towers go online you are going to have crappy reception. Unless the tower is within about a block or two your reception is going to suck in most structures. Another thing to point out, as your reception goes down, your transmission speed does as well (to not drop bits, and have to retransmit the packet).

Eh. I understand why people would want INCREDIBLY FAST 4G speeds... but honestly, I think our 4G is pretty good. There is nothing I can do on my phone that requires anything faster than what I get. I dont know about you, but I get pretty good speeds. I've downloaded 170MB roms for my EVO with 4G and I was damn impressed.
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Yeah it's an Epic but I'm pretty sure the Evo get's the same speeds. I just never ran speed test on my EVO. This was inside a building in King of Prussia, PA.

So far I am not impressed. I also live in the St. Louis area. I've tested my 4G speeds in several areas around here as well as Kansas City and I consistently get between 1.5-1.7M download speed, hardly the 10X faster Sprint likes to advertise.
Don't get me wrong, the 4G is nice, but not fast enough to justify the battery drain. My browser is plenty fast on 3G and I can get a day out of my charge compared to 5-6 hours with my 4G radio turned on.

Not that bad for me in the Orlando area, note the signal strength.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

Wow impressive speeds indeed. I wish they would figure out a way to get lower frequencies on these phones. I think that makes the biggest impact on overall speeds.

was getting 7-8mbps myself.
And i would go nuts over 50mbps. Not for phone, but for clear network. Have it setup atm, but only getting 3-5mps on it. Unfortunately the house i'm located can't get signal from at&t nor verizon, or any other dsl supplier. They blame each other for it too, if i call verizon, they say i'm in the at&t's area, and they should be doing it, if i call at&t, they say the opposite.
But yea, for a phone you don't need 50mbps, nor would you need more than 3-5mbps. Unless you are downloading gigabytes of torrents on your phone.

RE: Nexus S vs i9000m pointer review

RE: Nexus S vs i9000m pointer review
this originally came from a PM
thequinox said:
I've seen you're a pretty active in the forums so I was wondering if I could borrow a minute of your time.
I noticed in your posts that you've said you preferred your SGS over your NS. Could you tell me why? I am thinking of moving over from Rogers to Wind and grabbing myself a NS.
I mean, really they are the same phones, so is it the TouchWiz experience you miss? Or did you use your phone for a lot of multimedia?
I'm a very technical person, so you don't have to dumb down your answer. I hope you can get back to me. Thanks for your time
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WIND is way worth it ($40 all you can eat), at least in the GTA area
not sure how is the reception over around your area, but it should definitely considered.
I was on FIDO until just a couple of weeks ago, heck i still need to cancel my FIDO account, but the plan was simply too sweet to resist so i made the jump
..and no i definitely did not switch carrier because of the phone, it's rather the other way around.
After being "forced" to WIND (peer pressure), no, not really, i'm paying at least $60 less with 2 PHONES with ALL features, than 2 phones on FIDO with LESS options, and DATA only in 1 phone, it'd have been stupid not to take the WIND plan
but that was my best and worst move at the same time.
I totally forgot about the PHONEs that i can use on an AWS network, you need both 1700+2100 to properly get 3G, it wont work if you only have 1 band
So, i was screwed in that regard, I really like my SGS even with all its flaws it still beats the SNS
They are yes essentially the same phone with minor differences, yet the one that is killing me the most is the lack of microSD support, and no MKV, DivX, AVI support on hardware
yes 2.3 is nice, but it's more buggy than 2.2
yes it has flash for the camera, but it's totally useless for outdoor pictures, it might be okay if you are in a party room
yes it has NFC, but... no one in America is using it at all, this new feature it is completely wasted, until some form of Advertising Media Marketing, makes use of them, and make Movie Posters interactive, or until supermarket starts tagging their boxes and cans with NFC tags to scan the prices... which basically means, it's absolutely useless, as there will be no retailers willing to spend that kind of money on useless electronic tags, when the good old bar code is so much more efficient.
i'll trade NFC over microSD any time.
playing movies, animes, foreign films with subtitles and without Hardware decoding on the SNS really sucks, performance and video quality wise
oh by the way no hardware support for 720p on the SNS
same mic recording audio gain bug found on the SGS, in the SNS
GPS works on the SNS, but the same i'll say about the SGS, never had any problem with the GPS on the SGS
battery life on the SNS is better than the SGS, even tough it uses a crappier battery
very little accessories available for the SNS on ebay, etc
LauncherPRO has always been my main launcher, don't like stock android, and totally despise TWlauncher
what i miss the most in the SNS that was also build in in SGS is the front facing chat phone calls, yes the SNS has FFC, but it has no support to use FFC for normal phone calls
it only works via 3rd party apps like Fring, Yahoo, Tango, etc.... which totally kills the point of having a FFC for regular phone calls
that was possible in the SGS
... there are alot more i can go on for, but those are the basic main issues that annoys the most, coming from a SGS experience
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thank you gamer , nice review .. thumbs up
i m cooo with my sgs

The SGS does support UMTS video calls (what you call normal phone call) but Bell charges an extra $5/month for it so nobody has it. Plus, who can you call with that feature? Your other friend with a SGS?

no one said SGS doesn't
it is the SNS that is missing the stock video dialer to use that feature
and you can call anyone with a video chat capable phone, it doesn't need to be SGS
the old "dumb" phones (nokia, samsung, LG) that are video capable works as well

yeah, as long as they pay $5/month
I think this technology was popular in Japan but I have never seen someone using it in Canada

Wind Mobile
Thanks for the reply AllGamer.
I find myself in EXACTLY the same situation as you! Haha. I live in Edmonton and I just HAD to try out this $40 all you can eat plan from wind. I've got an i9000m unlocked and on Rogers and I love it. The GPS is it's main flaw though, it's pretty terrible and sure I get pissed at it when I try and use it, but it's not a big enough deal for me to want a new phone right now. I also hate TouchWizz and use ADW exclusively.
Anyway, I bought this cheap Alcatel with the $40 plan from wind here to try out their network. I figure if I don't like it I can return the phone and just be out the one month plan fee, and if I do like it I can use the phone in the interim until I get an AWS compatible phone. I just had to jump on it now because the $40 Holiday Miracle plan expires tomorrow.
I've only had the phone half the day now, and the reception doesn't seem too bad. I'll have to move around the city and stuff a lot more to get a real sample though. If Wind is able to deliver I should be able to save at least %50 every month once I ditch my Rogers plan.
I ran some speed tests here at work and I didn't really care for the results though. This is the only place I've tested, so it could be this tower or something, I'll have to test more to know for sure. Anyway, I'm getting:
Rogers w/GT-i9000m:
Down - Up
1884 - 1148
2944 - 1237
2567 - 1244
3291 - 1242
*Wind w/OT-981A:
Down - Up
1749 - 159
1280 - 156
1575 - 159
1529 - 159
I can live with 1.5Mpbs down, that's not to bad, but the upload is terrible! I called customer support to ask if they had some sort of upload cap in place, but they said they've never heard anything like that. I'll try some other places around the city and post back the results.
I really want to like Wind, or more, my wallet really likes to want Wind XD
Anyway, I kind of got off topic here, the reason I asked the initial question is because if I do move to wind I'll have to part with my SGS. The SNS seems like the logical way to go, but I've heard bad things about the quality control and as you know, living in Canada, we can't exactly easily exchange it at Best Buy.
I don't think the MicroSD would be a huge deal, but I don't really like not having it either. I agree, the multimedia support would be a pain to give up. If Samsung did one thing right, it's the great codec support on the SGS. As for the rest of TW and the crippled samsungafied Google apps... they can go.
One of the reasons I really liked the SGS was the multimedia support, but I found I didn't really use it. One of the reasons is all my stuff is in 720 MKV and while the SGS can play those files locally, Allshare is incapable of streaming anything in an MKV container. This is a huge drag and as a result I never gave it much use. The 720p camera recording is also nice but again, I have no way of outputting 720p. It would be nice if it had mHDMI out, but now I'm just dreaming XD. BTW, does the SNS support video out through composite like the SGS?
I already have a pretty good feel of what I'm getting into if I get a SNS, but I like hearing real world things from users. You can't tell everything from specs, it really is about the experience. My biggest fear is getting a defective one. Pop into the SNS forums here on XDA and it becomes apparent quite quickly that there are problems with a lot of them.
*Update: I just noticed the the Android SpeedTest.net app is not pulling the Wind phone's location properly. My SGS on Rogers is testing with a server right here in Edmonton. The Alcatel is trying to use a server in... Virginia . That could certainly lead to some extra latency XD. Edmonton isn't available in the server list, so I'll try and find a more reliable way of comparing. Perhaps a different app will let me manually input a server IP to test with.

Do you find Wind's Fair Usage Policy unfair? Isn't unlimited, unlimited, not capped?
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I think when my Telus contract is up (November, 2012) I will have a lot of choices at a lot less money.
Ian

re: wind fair usage policy
yes, it's not really unlimited data, it's 5 GB
they won't really cap you off if you go over, i think they do it on a case by case basis, as in they'll look at the ports you have been using the most, and if any of those falls into File sharing then they will most likely cap you
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Do you find Wind's Fair Usage Policy unfair? Isn't unlimited, unlimited, not capped?
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@thequinox
re: speedtest.net
in the GTA i constantly get 2.8 Mbps down, and 800 Kbps up in many areas of the city
very decent if you ask me
same results using both SNS and XT720
re: video out on the SNS
yes, it is supported, and using the same cable as the SGS (Nokia something something, forgot model #)
re: manufacture issues...
is very hard to say, i got lucky i guess
if you don't want to run the risk, go to your local phone shops, usually those chinese or indian cell phone stores in the malls sells them at a bit high ($700-$800) but at least you can check out the phone in person, and not have to run the risk of buying it from Best Buy USA

Wind Mobile in Edmonton
Yes, no one's unlimited plan is ever unlimited, but 5GB is pretty decent if you ask me. The cap doesn't seem like it would really hurt though, as I can't get uploads higher than 0.15Mbps anyway.
I found out what was going on with the speed test. Apparently Wind's data access comes from Ontario, and SpeedTest.net determines where you are based on IP location. If you connect with WiFi it will give you a server in your area, then you can just switch to 3G and complete the test with that server. I did this and tested with an Edmonton server... 1.75Mbps down and 0.14 up. About the same. Again, respectable download, abysmal upload.
I still need to run speed tests in more areas, but this part of the city is where I live and work, so it matters the most to me. I can't help but feel there is a cap here. I never get more or less than 0.15Mpbs up.
Another issue I've seen is my data just cutting out. I'll have full bars but just no 3G access. Sometimes a power cycle brings it back, sometimes I just have to wait. Seems to only happen when I'm at home though, so it must be something wrong with the AP i'm near.
A Google search shows I'm not alone in this upload problem. A shame

in the case of WIND mobile i switched more due their unlimited talk plans, and unlimited long distance, and unlimited word wide SMS, also all their HOME ZONES in different Cities that attracted me the most
the unlimited internet was just the cherry on top of the icing
on FIDO/ROGERS i was paying just about the same for the 6 GB data package
so i might be 1 GB down from data, but i gained a lot more on the useful stuff

thequinox said:
but 5GB is pretty decent if you ask me.
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Absolutely, I agree. I have a 500MB plan and I never go over 175Mb/month. My only problem is when a company says one thing and the fine print says another.
I would just like a little honesty in corporate policies.

my average is aprox 3 GB a month

A bit unrelated but cud anyone help
I have the Motorola Xt720 that Wind provides, but now i see they have the newer Samsung Nexus S, and i'm considering swapping phones, but should I?
I have looked at the pros and cons, but the 2 phones are better and worse than each other on different fields and to me seem to balance out oddly. like the xt720 has sd card while the SNS doesn't but has a significantly bigger internal memory, which means more apps and stuff, i find that on my moto that i constantly run low in internal memory due to too many apps. SNS runs 2.3 and the xt720 runs 2.1; however, if i root my xt720 i could update it to 2.2 (which i hear is less glitcher than 2.3), but I'd void my warranty. the camera on the xt720 is much better, not sure about the video though. The SNS i see covers more video format though, and seems to have a longer battery life. I find myself having to constantly charge my Motorola if i use it moderately and it easily over-heats which leads to more battery consumption. but that SD card thing for the SNS is the real con for me, i have a few vidoes, but I am heavy on music. But at the same time i want more apps...
So essentially I have 3 choices:
-Keep my xt720 the way it is and get on with life
-Root my Xt720 and upgrade to 2.2 or
-Get the Samsung Nexus S
I'm really confused D': , and would really appreciate help on the subject, also if there is an x-factor that I'm missing (either good or bad) i want to know about it. What do you guys think? oh, and in case anyone was wondering i have the irresistable plan

Nexus 7 Maximum wifi speed?

Hey guys, I was wondering if you could help me figure this out.
I was wondering what the theoretical maximum download speed for the nexus 7 is. When testing my internet connection (speedtest.net) on my pc my download speed is 70Mbps, upload is 10Mbps, which is also my maximum speed (I live 3km away from my provider) When running the test on my nexus 7 with their speed test app downloaded via Google play, I only get around 30-33mbps. Sometimes I'll get a speed of 36 and the highest I've gotten in 40, but this only happens VERY rarely. So I've been trying to figure out if something is set up wrong.
I tried:
different channels from 1 until 11 (12 and 13 don't work)
20 and 40hz, and both simultaneously.
set the router to operate on b/g/n as well as N only
Security is wpa2
inkspeed on the tablet says 65Mbps
Distance : standing next to the router
My router is a netgear R6300. (http://www.netgear.com/R6300#two)
My question is, am I an idiot for thinking that I'm not getting max speed, while ~33mbps is the actual maximum speed that the nexus 7 is capable of. Or am I having connection issues. If so what steps could I take to solve them.
You have my thanks,

One reason I can think of is nexus 7 can not use the 5mhz band in your router, thats why you may be getting half speeds than you are expecting.

sahshah said:
One reason I can think of is nexus 7 can not use the 5mhz band in your router, thats why you may be getting half speeds than you are expecting.
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I thought about that as well, but my router support wifi N up to 450Mbps on the 2.4ghz freq, so I'm not really sure that's a limiting factor.

70Mbps download. That's fast.

scandalousk said:
Hey guys, I was wondering if you could help me figure this out.
I was wondering what the theoretical maximum download speed for the nexus 7 is. When testing my internet connection (speedtest.net) on my pc my download speed is 70Mbps, upload is 10Mbps, which is also my maximum speed (I live 3km away from my provider) When running the test on my nexus 7 with their speed test app downloaded via Google play, I only get around 30-33mbps. Sometimes I'll get a speed of 36 and the highest I've gotten in 40, but this only happens VERY rarely. So I've been trying to figure out if something is set up wrong.
I tried:
different channels from 1 until 11 (12 and 13 don't work)
20 and 40hz, and both simultaneously.
set the router to operate on b/g/n as well as N only
Security is wpa2
inkspeed on the tablet says 65Mbps
Distance : standing next to the router
My router is a netgear R6300. (http://www.netgear.com/R6300#two)
My question is, am I an idiot for thinking that I'm not getting max speed, while ~33mbps is the actual maximum speed that the nexus 7 is capable of. Or am I having connection issues. If so what steps could I take to solve them.
You have my thanks,
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I'm on 60 Meg download and 3 Meg upload and I get the same speeds as you on my nexus using the speedtest app. I think they are the max wireless speeds we can get.
My ipad 3 maxes out at 20 Meg which is surprising.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

maigre said:
70Mbps download. That's fast.
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It's relatively slow We have fiber 500 down and 500 up available here, but It's not yet available in my particular area. I bought the router for that reason. Actually bums me out that I'm going to have 500 mbps available to me, but don't have any devices that can actually benefit from it besides my pc....
simacca said:
I'm on 60 Meg download and 3 Meg upload and I get the same speeds as you on my nexus using the speedtest app. I think they are the max wireless speeds we can get.
My ipad 3 maxes out at 20 Meg which is surprising.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
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Thanks for testing that out, I figured as much. I found another thread where someone mentions that he's also maxing out at around 33mbps.
Although a bit further down the topic, a guy posted a screenshot of his nexus 7 achieving ~47 mbps. Guess he got lucky?..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1787199&page=2

Your speeds are actually alright. The n7 doesn't have good wifi imo. I am connected to a 100/2 connection in Australia (fastest consumer connection available to my knowledge lol) and I only get about 25/2 on my n7.

smt8544 said:
Your speeds are actually alright. The n7 doesn't have good wifi imo. I am connected to a 100/2 connection in Australia (fastest consumer connection available to my knowledge lol) and I only get about 25/2 on my n7.
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Kind of sucks that google went cheapo on the wifi. Would have hoped they would have at least went the 5ghz route. But at least it confirms that there is nothing wrong with my router or wifi settings, but that the nexus 7 just maxed out at ~33Mbps. Surprisingly my GSII does 40~42Mbps.

you guys are lucky bastards. living in rural canada, i get 1.5/0.5 on a good day!

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you guys are lucky bastards. living in rural canada, i get 1.5/0.5 on a good day!
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That must be pretty annoying! Here in Australia, most people have connections around the 10/1 mark which is actually a joke for a developed metropolitan area. Luckily fibre infrastructure upgrade are under way!

I live in a metropolitan and manage fine with my 4/0.5 amidst all the fibre optic and vdsl.
Admitted, 0.5 upload does get annoying in some cases. But hey, it's cheap as hell and unlimited bandwidth!

Logic_ said:
I live in a metropolitan and manage fine with my 4/0.5 amidst all the fibre optic and vdsl.
Admitted, 0.5 upload does get annoying in some cases. But hey, it's cheap as hell and unlimited bandwidth!
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Thats the problem with connections here. They are not cheap and offer limited bandwidth. i.e. my mate is on an adsl2+ connection that only manages 4 down and 0.7up. He pays $70 a month for 200gb.

redundant409 said:
you guys are lucky bastards. living in rural canada, i get 1.5/0.5 on a good day!
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Haha, well we wouldn't be on xda if we didn't wanna push our devices to the limit right

smt8544 said:
Thats the problem with connections here. They are not cheap and offer limited bandwidth. i.e. my mate is on an adsl2+ connection that only manages 4 down and 0.7up. He pays $70 a month for 200gb.
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Wow... I pay 35 and that includes unlimited calls to landlines, national and international.
People here are always complaining how we're overcharged for our network, compared to for instance the Netherlands. And it did take me quite a while to get this deal, literally the cheapest in the country.
But 70 for the same speeds with a 200gb limit, that seems insane!

Logic_ said:
Wow... I pay 35 and that includes unlimited calls to landlines, national and international.
People here are always complaining how we're overcharged for our network, compared to for instance the Netherlands. And it did take me quite a while to get this deal, literally the cheapest in the country.
But 70 for the same speeds with a 200gb limit, that seems insane!
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Our internet here is pretty cheap indeed, since it also comes combined with a land line and a tv package. Prices for our mobile network are of the charts tho'.

hey guys.. i was only getting 10 or so meg down on my 50+ meg connection and I wanted to let you know I fixed it to get what you are getting by removing my bluetooth connection. Turns out, the bluetooth and wifi are handled by one chip so when its busy handing a bluetooth connection, it chops down the download speed of the wifi! So, if you dont need the bluetooth connection, dont use it. (I was using tablet talk to my phone over bluetooth, i swithched it to wifi and that fixed it)

51 mbps max
Hey guys, i live in IIT Delhi, INDIA. Via ethernet we get 100 down and 70-80up (100/70). But my nexus 7 2013 maxes out at 51mbps only. I checked using galaxy s5, s5 showed 90 download. So it is pretty much confirmed they put a limit, or maybe the technology is out dated...

How to enable 5Ghz wifi in H990ds?

How to enable 5ghz wifi in H990ds?
I can't find 5ghz wifi signal in my phone. Did I need to enable manually?
How to check my wifi hardware? Any idea?
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Perhaps this fix for the V10 would resolve your issue. I've used it with a noticeable improvement on my V20, and it alters the devices use of wifi frequencies so it may have the desired effect.
Also giving your 2.5ghz and 5ghz networks seperate names should also help.

Aaren11 said:
Perhaps this fix for the V10 would resolve your issue. I've used it with a noticeable improvement on my V20, and it alters the devices use of wifi frequencies so it may have the desired effect.
Also giving your 2.5ghz and 5ghz networks seperate names should also help.
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H990DS still can't root.
Anyway thank for reply
P.s While rest of my phones found 5ghz signal, my V20 didn't see 5ghz signal with seperate name.
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itsraining2008 said:
H990DS still can't root.
Anyway thank for reply
P.s While rest of my phones found 5ghz signal, my V20 didn't see 5ghz signal with seperate name.
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Drat didn't realize the H990DS still didn't have root, my apologies.

I've got the same problem as well. Can't connect to 5Ghz at all. I brought one a while ago as well and that didn't work so I got a replacement today and this doesn't work at all either.

Madbullben said:
I've got the same problem as well. Can't connect to 5Ghz at all. I brought one a while ago as well and that didn't work so I got a replacement today and this doesn't work at all either.
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Not sure, I have a HD990DS and it connects properly to my 5 GHz channel on my ASUS DSL-AC68U router

I can't see any 5GHz wifi networks either on my V20. I have different SSIDs for my 5GHz access points, and I don't see them at all, even with my phone up close!
I have a brand new V20 990DS, fresh out of the box, no updates applied (in fact, I disabled them as I didn't want to jeopardise getting root), on Android 7.0 software version V10c-TWN-XX

I don't understand how LG could have messed this up. Or other problems such as slow internet.
I may just keep buying the phone from different places and hope I'll end up getting a decent one soon.
I really like this phone with the duel screen and the DAC. One of the best phones I think you can get if the WI-FI actually worked.
Thanks Ben

well, this is odd. I only got my V20 yesterday and I couldn't put my SIM in until it was cut down; I got it cut down today and put it straight into my phone. When I got home, I found by chance that my V20 could now see my 5GHz band access point*.
I don't think I've done anything else that might have made it work, other than unsuccessfully attempt to root it. Is it possible that my phone didn't know what worldwide jurisdiction it was in so wouldn't turn on 5GHz wifi until it knew, which it would have found from the SIM?
I have one of these * Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-AC-PRO. Best thing I ever bought, ditching random dd-wrt boxes.

speculatrix said:
well, this is odd. I only got my V20 yesterday and I couldn't put my SIM in until it was cut down; I got it cut down today and put it straight into my phone. When I got home, I found by chance that my V20 could now see my 5GHz band access point*.
I don't think I've done anything else that might have made it work, other than unsuccessfully attempt to root it. Is it possible that my phone didn't know what worldwide jurisdiction it was in so wouldn't turn on 5GHz wifi until it knew, which it would have found from the SIM?
I have one of these * Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-AC-PRO. Best thing I ever bought, ditching random dd-wrt boxes.
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That's really odd! I've never heard that before. I haven't put a sim I it yet as it wasn't working properly, so I just got a replacement which also didn't work. I'll try that tomorrow and put a new sim in it.
Does everything work now then? I've heard people say that on some of them that the Internet speed is slow, is that happening as well?
Thanks Ben

I just compared speedtest app between my laptop (which doesn't have 802.11ac, but does have .11a/5GHz. My internet connection is 35 down, 5.5 up.
Laptop (64 bit linux) gets 32.3M down, 4.8M up, which is quite respectable
LG V20 gets 22M down, 5.1M up.
Xperia Z Ultra gets 28.6 down, 4M up.
I know speedtest results can vary a lot, I ran it several times on the V20 and it struggled to get much over 20M, yet the upload was as good as any other device.
On a hunch, I took the back off the V20 and held it a little more loosely, and it had no problem getting 31M down, same upload, so pretty good! I suspect therefore that it'd be worth looking for a replacement cheap back for the V20 that's entirely plastic!

Ok well that's really odd again then. If LG knew that the back would interfere with connection then why just why.
LG's quality control is really bad.

Lol. Nothing to do with QC, more R&D and engineering.
Anyway I think you'll find the antennas are in the head- and/or chin-pieces which are made of silicon polycarbonate (plastic) and therefore no barrier to signal reception.

That's what I thought too that the bumpers have the antenna's in them. But then how would you explain the 10mbps increase? Because it makes no sense at all from my current understanding.
Also have you seen all the posts saying that they've had bad Internet speeds usually getting around 30 while another phone is getting 100-200 etc? It's all surrounding the WI-FI module. That's a QC issue.
It's not that I don't like LG either, I've had an LG G3 for 3 years and have never had a problem. In fact I could have brought an samsung s7 Edge for the same price but liked the LG more.

the problem is that the tech bloggers who review phones go through various fashions. All glass phones. All metal phones. Thin/light phones. Super high-res displays.
as a result we end up with phones that are..
* fragile (all glass),
* have poor radios (mobile signal is poor, or wifi is weak),
* have poor battery life (too thin for bigger battery),
* have poor battery (lots of CPU and GPU power to drive high-res displays).
meanwhile, the tech blogger who had the phone for only weeks, or days, or even hours, has moved on, and doesn't have to live with the phone's compromises.

You think the OEMs manufacture phones to suit bloggers?

speculatrix said:
I just compared speedtest app between my laptop (which doesn't have 802.11ac, but does have .11a/5GHz. My internet connection is 35 down, 5.5 up.
Laptop (64 bit linux) gets 32.3M down, 4.8M up, which is quite respectable
LG V20 gets 22M down, 5.1M up.
Xperia Z Ultra gets 28.6 down, 4M up.
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I just tried to run a speed test and there are my results:
DOWNLOAD 80.15Mb/s
UPLOAD 85.03Mb/s
PING 13 ms
RATING 5/5 Stars
DEVICE LG-H990
ISP VERIZON FIOS
SERVER SOMERVILLE, MA

I had the same problem, after changing the channel from auto to 40, I could find the 5Ghz. signal on the Phone.
Changed my Speedtest from 20Mbps to 125Mbps!!

Can confirm that putting a sim card in the phone gets the 5ghz to work again but unfortunately it's slower than what it should be getting.
It's gets around 30 to 70 and is really inconsistent. It should be getting around 200 like some of my other devices.
I've sent this one back to get a replacement and hopefully that one works.
I've sent this message 3 times and and each time it got messed up
Thanks Ben