Just when it appeared that Sprint was finally pulling their head out the sand, they finally have good (rather, great!) devices, they are rolling out the fastest network available in many cities, they fumble, pathetically. Kinda like handing it off on the 1 yard line, running back jumps over the pile and ball gets knocked loose, game over, you lose.
Effective now, if you are getting ANY employee discount, they are discontinuing it on every line after the first two:
"Discount Policy Change Notice
Effective 8/27/10, discounts will no longer apply to the monthly recurring charge for Add-a-Phone lines beyond the first two lines on family or share plans."
And if that weren't enough, if you have any add-ons (regardless of if it is first, second, or 5th line) your discount is gone too.
Discount Policy Change Reminder
"As a reminder, effective 8/1/10, employee/member discounts no longer apply to add-on services with a monthly recurring charge of $29.99 or less. Examples include, but are not limited to, Messaging Add-Ons, Data Packs, Data Premier."
Pathetic.
Anyone who wants to tell me "well if you don't like it, you can go somewhere else" save yourself the time, I plan on it.
That's quite the misleading thread title to get us to look at old news.
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Just when it appeared that Sprint was finally pulling their head out the sand, they finally have good (rather, great!) devices, they are rolling out the fastest network available in many cities, they fumble, pathetically. Kinda like handing it off on the 1 yard line, running back jumps over the pile and ball gets knocked loose, game over, you lose.
Effective now, if you are getting ANY employee discount, they are discontinuing it on every line after the first two:
"Discount Policy Change Notice
Effective 8/27/10, discounts will no longer apply to the monthly recurring charge for Add-a-Phone lines beyond the first two lines on family or share plans."
And if that weren't enough, if you have any add-ons (regardless of if it is first, second, or 5th line) your discount is gone too.
Discount Policy Change Reminder
"As a reminder, effective 8/1/10, employee/member discounts no longer apply to add-on services with a monthly recurring charge of $29.99 or less. Examples include, but are not limited to, Messaging Add-Ons, Data Packs, Data Premier."
Pathetic.
Anyone who wants to tell me "well if you don't like it, you can go somewhere else" save yourself the time, I plan on it.
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So what? If not getting discounts that MOST people don't get anyway, is a deal breaker for you ("waaah, I'm no longer in the special club"), then buh-bye.
If it's a matter of not being able to afford the STANDARD rates... then I say, learn how to manage your damn $$.
Such a sense of entitlement in America these days. C'mon people, the biggest hurdle in a lot of people's lives is their own ego.
Good luck finding what Sprint offers for cheaper even without the discount.
Yeah.. old news man
Your thread title suggests they are discontinuing ALL discounts, not just on the added lines. Considering my 27% discount only saves me ~$5 on my $20 added line I'm not sweating it. Not to mention (and I could be mistaken) I believe this applies to FUTURE lines, not current.. My discount is still there for my 3rd line.. guess we'll see when my next bill drops..
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So what? If not getting discounts that MOST people don't get anyway, is a deal breaker for you ("waaah, I'm no longer in the special club"), then buh-bye.
If it's a matter of not being able to afford the STANDARD rates... then I say, learn how to manage your damn $$.
Such a sense of entitlement in America these days. C'mon people, the biggest hurdle in a lot of people's lives is their own ego.
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Couple of tips for you:
1) Read original post, already mentioned I was leaving, has nothing to do with being in a "special club" rather Sprint, not me, Sprint, changed their terms. I made my decision.
2) I would be willing to compare W-2's with you, I can assure you that my money is a) being managed far more effectively than yours and 2) there is more of it to manage.
3) Learn definition of entitlement. Why do you think anyone offers discounts? As an "entitlement"?!!? I think the word you are looking for is "incentive" and I have lost mine with Sprint.
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Yeah.. old news man
Your thread title suggests they are discontinuing ALL discounts, not just on the added lines. Considering my 27% discount only saves me ~$5 on my $20 added line I'm not sweating it. Not to mention (and I could be mistaken) I believe this applies to FUTURE lines, not current.. My discount is still there for my 3rd line.. guess we'll see when my next bill drops..
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I edited the title. This is definitely for existing lines, I already had the discussion. It is also new news to me because I have electronic billing and you have to click a hyperlink to see it. Seriously, you have to click a hyperlink. All the other text is printed and a major change is announced and you have to click a hyperlink, I'm just saying.
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I would edit the title but it won't let me. This is definitely for existing lines, I already had the discussion. It is also new news to me because I have electronic billing and you have to click a hyperlink to see it. Seriously, you have to click a hyperlink. All the other text is printed and a major change is announced and you have to click a hyperlink, I'm just saying.
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Interesting about the link..
And you cant edit the title of the thread? I've never had that problem before..
When you hit edit on the OP the thread title shows as the title of the OP.. cool
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Couple of tips for you:
1) Read original post, already mentioned I was leaving, has nothing to do with being in a "special club" rather Sprint, not me, Sprint, changed their terms. I made my decision.
2) I would be willing to compare W-2's with you, I can assure you that my money is a) being managed far more effectively than yours and 2) there is more of it to manage.
3) Learn definition of entitlement. Why do you think anyone offers discounts? As an "entitlement"?!!? I think the word you are looking for is "incentive" and I have lost mine with Sprint.
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1) I did read, and said, "Buh-bye". So why are you still here?
2) What are you, 5? I manage my money just fine, and something tells me that if you are so up in arms about losing discounts that don't amount to much over the course of a year, then a) your money ISN'T being managed better than mine, not that it matters either way. b) WTF makes you believe you know where my 6 figure annual salary lies?
3) I know the definition of entitlement, and you are displaying a sense of it with your words. Boo-hoo, you don't get a discount anymore, so you're going to stomp away mad like a child and go elsewhere. Discounts aren't incentives, they're perks. The incentive with Sprint is that you still get better rates than any other major carrier, and an awesome phone.
Now shut up and color.
/buh-bye, don't care, hate Sprint more.
there are other .. providers that might be cheaper..
Try metroPCS or similar companies in your area. the only thing is that their service is limited to local area and you pay for roaming.
but for the big 4... it will be hard to get a cheaper plan.
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PS.. that does suck that sprint did that. They should at least grandfather the current users and plans.
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there are other .. providers that might be cheaper..
Try metroPCS or similar companies in your area. the only thing is that their service is limited to local area and you pay for roaming.
but for the big 4... it will be hard to get a cheaper plan.
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PS.. that does suck that sprint did that. They should at least grandfather the current users and plans.
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I appreciate your civility, obviously some true losers on these forums. My point was not that I want something cheaper, rather that Sprint makes a poor business decision by removing something they offered as an incentive to encourage people to sign up for their service. Would I have signed up with Sprint without the discount? Absolutely not. Not because I can't afford it, (that's just such a lame argument and one that I guess its those who can't think of first) but you look and see what you are getting for you money and you make the decision. I was paying less, I was getting less. Now I might be able to pay marginally less but its not worth it. My post was to inform as I just learned this. Surprised to see so many people so passionate about their cellular provider.
Can't imagine what would happen if I insulted their water company.
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I appreciate your civility, obviously some true losers on these forums. My point was not that I want something cheaper, rather that Sprint makes a poor business decision by removing something they offered as an incentive to encourage people to sign up for their service. Would I have signed up with Sprint without the discount? Absolutely not. Not because I can't afford it, (that's just such a lame argument and one that I guess its those who can't think of first) but you look and see what you are getting for you money and you make the decision. I was paying less, I was getting less. Now I might be able to pay marginally less but its not worth it. My post was to inform as I just learned this. Surprised to see so many people so passionate about their cellular provider.
Can't imagine what would happen if I insulted their water company.
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Really? In what advertisement campaign, might I ask, did you see this as a selling point to the general public?
I don't really care if you don't like Sprint, to each his own. However, you're leaving over a matter of a few dollars a month that was never promised to you to begin with... and it's Sprint's poor business decision?
Take this for example, I spent 14 years in the Air Force, and over that time, many stores and companies offered various levels of military discounts. Many of them stopped for one reason or another, and there were some military members who complained, "Lowe's (or whatever store) doesn't do military discounts anymore, I'm not going there." But most of us knew it was originally something that the chain did to show appreciation, and it simply came to a conclusion as things do, and we would then pay full price for purchases like everyone else.
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Really? In what advertisement campaign, might I ask, did you see this as a selling point to the general public?
I don't really care if you don't like Sprint, to each his own. However, you're leaving over a matter of a few dollars a month that was never promised to you to begin with... and it's Sprint's poor business decision?
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It was never promised to me? How do you think I got it? Magic? Did I ever say it was offered to the General Public or in advertising campaign? I said it was offered as an incentive to get people who would otherwise not use their service to use their service. Do you think they would offer it if they didn't have to?
Sprint's poor business decision?
If I have to explain that, I will just leave you wondering.
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It was never promised to me? How do you think I got it? Magic? Did I ever say it was offered to the General Public or in advertising campaign? I said it was offered as an incentive to get people who would otherwise not use their service to use their service. Do you think they would offer it if they didn't have to?
Sprint's poor business decision?
If I have to explain that, I will just leave you wondering.
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Obviously, they DON'T have to, which is why they terminated those discounts.
Discounts are the exception, not the standard. It's not a poor business decision to charge people the amount that is stated in the standard rates. If I have to explain THAT to you, then well...
I'm contemplating words that start with the letter "M"... moron.
derrickj said:
I appreciate your civility, obviously some true losers on these forums. My point was not that I want something cheaper, rather that Sprint makes a poor business decision by removing something they offered as an incentive to encourage people to sign up for their service. Would I have signed up with Sprint without the discount? Absolutely not. Not because I can't afford it, (that's just such a lame argument and one that I guess its those who can't think of first) but you look and see what you are getting for you money and you make the decision. I was paying less, I was getting less. Now I might be able to pay marginally less but its not worth it. My post was to inform as I just learned this. Surprised to see so many people so passionate about their cellular provider.
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Being new to the board I can honeslty say there are some real ****-heads on here. Then you have the people who may come off in the wrong way. Still take stuff with a gain of salt when in a fourm online.
As for the discount I have not seen or heard of anything about it, not saying I don't care. I truely do. I have worked for Sprint when it was the PCS network. One thing that my manager said that has proven time and time again is that Sprint is the LEADER in the celluar busniess. When they make a move to do something all the other cell phone compaines follow. interesting when sprint announce the Everything Plan I was expecting chaos. I have a 23% discount. My bill is $160 right now. Without it its $190. $30 is the difference with 2 phones. Even with one phone on AT&T or any other network I would not have the same thing. Plan to Plan and Add-ons ..Etc. I would be paying close to the money I pay now.
my opinion - if its 1 user 2 phones. Drop the other phone and pay a cheaper rate. If it's 2 users 2 phones. get that other person to pay there half of the bill. You might already know this, so lets move forward.
As you can see Cell Phones are not Analog anymore!! So chances are as we move forward they are going to require more and more data or coverage.
I feel your pain. We live in the US, so by proxy we are going to get screwed when big corps. like this make these desicions. I hope I wasn't rude or being a douche but stop crying about $30 or less discount or plan changes.
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Also can you provide the hyperlink. I would like to see this.
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Also can you provide the hyperlink. I would like to see this.
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The hyperlink is on a secured link. I actually have to be logged into my account but here is a screen shot. Seems like there are people who don't know that the "Employee Discount" doesn't mean you are a Sprint employee, just means you have a job, which many are clearly (and understandably) lacking.
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Obviously, they DON'T have to, which is why they terminated those discounts.
Discounts are the exception, not the standard. It's not a poor business decision to charge people the amount that is stated in the standard rates. If I have to explain THAT to you, then well...
I'm contemplating words that start with the letter "M"... moron.
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If you take a business class someday, perhaps it will be clearer. I have neither the time nor the inclination to shed the light on this for you and I doubt you have the ability to comprehend.
I love these threads. Boo Hoo, they are taking away my discount. I heard that they are creating a new cell phone providor called crymeariver, you might want to check them out.
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Having read the the "leaked" info the last few weeks, I wasn't completely surprised when I spoke with a TMo rep and confirmed that in order to use this phone, I'd essentially have to double my current rate plan due to the fact that I am on a Family Plan. I am, however, finding myself to be surprisingly angered by this fact.
That Google is stipulating which rate plan a customer can use on a particular device is absurd at best and insulting at worst. Am I not intelligent enough to know which rate plan suits my needs? Thank you, Google, for showing me the light. I'm glad to know that it's better for me to spend $80/month on myself PLUS the extra $80/month on my wife instead of the $100/month we spend for both right now.
Screw you, Google. And screw your phone.
nspbass
Whats the problem?
Buy it "unlocked".
if you buy the phone from tmob then you need to get a "plan" just for this phone, and the purchase price of the nexus is 180.00? or so
but if you buy it from google direct, unlocked, you just pop in your sim and your good to go...no rate plan increase or changes...however...you will pay the 530.00 asking price for the phone....
so you do have "some" optiions...
quit being a broke ass and buy the unsubsodized version and you can use your current plan. these days nice things cost money and you gotta pay to play.
wow... there are other options man. icon57 stated already...
Uhh, I am pretty sure T-Mobile decides what rates are required for the phone in order for them to fork over all that money to pay for it for you
Get the unlocked one if you aren't happy with that
These people don't do their research first do they?
Maybe I should have stated that I've been a huge fan of Google for years and of the Android OS from the first day I heard of it. I've had my G1 for quite a while now and have enjoyed it very much. When I heard of the Nexus One, I was happy to hear that I could experience Android on a much faster, much more capable phone.
Maybe I also should have stated that I'm in the military and don't make a lot of money. I've also got a wife and child I'm supporting on only my income. So, I'm not being just some broke-ass. I'm being a broke-ass soldier serving my country protecting your moron asses on a daily basis and trying to take care of my family. That's the problem with changing my rate plan or shelling out $530.
So how about this: instead of jumping on me for being displeased with this product, you shove your heads up your respective asses.
nspbass
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Screw you, Google. And screw your phone.
nspbass
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"I'm a stupid teenage girl who wants pity." is all I heard.
If you don't want a specified rate plan, buy it un-subsidized. If you have read any of the threads in this forum, you would know it is cheaper in the long run anyway for that exact reason.
You know if you wanted an iPhone used to (Not sure anymore, I don't keep up with that stuff) have to have a certain rate plan as well.
Is it a right to own a high-end phone? No, it's a privilege.. reserved for those willing to pay. If it's out of your price range, then too bad.
Being in the military does not make you holier than any of us. I am a strong supporter of the armed forces. The trouble is you have to wait till the press conference is over. Don't assume anything. By assuming you are making an ASS of U and ME and less of me I guess.
Also, all americans should expect to pay 500+ for a good decent phone. You have been in the past. You just don't realize it.
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Maybe I should have stated that I've been a huge fan of Google for years and of the Android OS from the first day I heard of it. I've had my G1 for quite a while now and have enjoyed it very much. When I heard of the Nexus One, I was happy to hear that I could experience Android on a much faster, much more capable phone.
Maybe I also should have stated that I'm in the military and don't make a lot of money. I've also got a wife and child I'm supporting on only my income. So, I'm not being just some broke-ass. I'm being a broke-ass soldier serving my country protecting your moron asses on a daily basis and trying to take care of my family. That's the problem with changing my rate plan or shelling out $530.
So how about this: instead of jumping on me for being displeased with this product, you shove your heads up your respective asses.
nspbass
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Sounds like you're in the wrong line of work then. Sorry, but as others have said, you have to pay to play... and you can't pay, so you can't play. Thanks for serving though...
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Being in the military does not make you holier than any of us. I am a strong supporter of the armed forces. The trouble is you have to wait till the press conference is over. Don't assume anything. By assuming you are making an ASS of U and ME and less of me I guess.
Also, all americans should expect to pay 500+ for a good decent phone. You have been in the past. You just don't realize it.
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Well put. I still can't believe how many people can't figure out that the subsidy is ALWAYS recovered in the form of higher plan costs. T-mobile is the only one showing this though, as they're the only carrier with a subsidized and unsubsidized pricing structure.
@nspbass
I also use a tmo plan that costs less than the one required for the Nexus One and am planning to get on a family plan with my new wifey soon. If you quickly do the math, its cheaper in the long run to buy the phone unlocked and chose your own tmo plan. Especially if you take advantage of Google Voice and Skype.
One other thing is that the Nexus One's frequency works across most continents unlike any other US carrier. I would think someone in the military would see that as an advantage.
@nspbass
Yup. But get that through the moronic heads of those fanboys on here.
In their eyes HTC, Google and TMUS can't do anything wrong!
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@nspbass
Yup. But get that through the moronic heads of those fanboys on here.
In their eyes HTC, Google and TMUS can't do anything wrong!
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Or, you can't do anything wrong yet the rest of the entire forum is wrong!
Yep, everyone is stupid and you are the truth here.
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@nspbass
Yup. But get that through the moronic heads of those fanboys on here.
In their eyes HTC, Google and TMUS can't do anything wrong!
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What did they do wrong? Act like a business that is interested in income?
Just the fact that Google/HTC is selling this for only 530 dollars is amazing in itself. Compare other phones with similar hardware (HD2) and you will see a huge price difference. Stop crying.
Will someone shut the 11-B up? Terribly sorry you're an E-2, but the military does not owe you a living and Google does not owe you a phone. Now shut that whining hole and get back to doing something marginally useful, like KP.
Duckies
(Decidedly NOT an E-2.)
to the OP:
look, it's true that the phone carrier plans cost too much and phones are expensive. the fact is, the phone companies have us by the balls and Google couldn't do anything about that by releasing one phone even if thy wanted to.
your complaints about the nexus would apply to any new phone you wanted to get. the only reason you expected more is because people on the internet hyped it so much without knowing what they were talking about, and apparently you believed them
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Having read the the "leaked" info the last few weeks, I wasn't completely surprised when I spoke with a TMo rep and confirmed that in order to use this phone, I'd essentially have to double my current rate plan due to the fact that I am on a Family Plan. I am, however, finding myself to be surprisingly angered by this fact.
That Google is stipulating which rate plan a customer can use on a particular device is absurd at best and insulting at worst. Am I not intelligent enough to know which rate plan suits my needs? Thank you, Google, for showing me the light. I'm glad to know that it's better for me to spend $80/month on myself PLUS the extra $80/month on my wife instead of the $100/month we spend for both right now.
Screw you, Google. And screw your phone.
nspbass
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WOW! - Junior member...stop crying and be sensible.
I called T-Mobile (yes...being proactive).
You can not "Downgrade or cancel" your plan (i.e. you can't remove internet, or go below 500 mins a month)
But the rep stated you are allowed to take two individual plans and merge them to a family plan. AS LONG AS YOU KEEP THE DATA AND MESSAGING plans and the MINUTES FOR EACH PLAN are higher than your current plan.
So to put it simply - YES YOU CAN GET A FAMILY PLAN, but after you have both phones activated.
Ind plans are $39.99 + Data + Messaging
Family Unlimited is $99.99 + Data + Messaging
If you are paying more, and getting more minutes - is that an Upgrade or Downgrade?
So before this even spirals out of control I want to make something very clear:
Sprints extra $10 is complete BULL****. There is no logical sense in it whatsoever. To all who disagree: gtfo my thread.
Before we begin this might test the boundaries of your ethics a little bit but that is something you will have to deal with yourself.
Call Sprint customer support and tell them you want to apply an employee discount. Tell them you work for UPS and you overheard some co-workers saying that they get 25% off their monthly plan and that you were very interested. If they ask for an email which is almost certainly guaranteed that they will tell them that you are a part time employee and that they do not give part time employers email addresses. They will make up some bull**** blah blah but tell them that your co workers all are part time and that they have the discount etc. Don't let them win. The rep I spoke with eventually just put in my sprint PCS email and a few days later I got a confirmation saying that my discount went through.
Best of luck. The extra $10 is absolute garbage IMO and all should be done to prevent these plans from turning into ATT/Verizon exploitations - which btw is slowly happening to Sprint as well. Do NOT trust these cell phone companies because one is cheaper than the other etc. Sprint can easily turn into an ATT if they decide to. They offer the cheapest plans right now out of NECESSITY to the company not out of good will.
Are people really STILL *****ing about that $10?
Yes. Now gtfo my thread you nub. $25% discount is nothing to be frowned at and is well worth it considering Sprint still makes a profit.
if you dont like paying that 10 dollars, get another ****ing phone you ****ing troll.
How the **** do you pay your bill every month? Obviously you are a broke ass trailer trash, do you even own an evo or you just came in here to *****?
now you GTFO outta my ****ing forums
OK so I'm the nub? Not the guy who joined in July doesn't even have enough posts to post links and is telling everyone to commit fraud?
So wait wait wait. You bought and signed the contract willingly knowing that you are going to pay the 10$ extra and yet you are upset by it?
You, sir, are an idiot.
We've been through this before, and these threads are always deleted. Morality aside, these scam threads don't belong on xda.
Sent from my blah blah blah blah.
It's for 4G or to support Sprint's 4G network and the massive amount of data being used. If you don't like it, go ***** somewhere else. You're never going to get rid of it, and Sprint is still the cheapest even with it. Be thankful we're not being limited on our data like AT&T and grow the hell up.
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So wait wait wait. You bought and signed the contract willingly knowing that you are going to pay the 10$ extra and yet you are upset by it?
You, sir, are an idiot.
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I second that.
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Let's put it this way. It's $10 extra for a network with uncapped bandwidth. I say worth it.
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Let's put it this way. It's $10 extra for a network with uncapped bandwidth. I say worth it.
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Agreed.
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As an fyi, if you are a member of Navy Federal Credit Union, you get a 23% discount. I just happened to pay with my card at the store and they told me about it.
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What part of this rule isn't clear to you? Let me highlight the "between the lines" bits that you should have picked up on ...
9. Don't get us in trouble.
Don't post copyrighted materials or do other things that will obviously lead to legal trouble. If you wouldn't do it on your own homepage, you probably don't want to do it here either. This does not mean we agree with everything the software piracy lobby try to impose on us, it simply means you cannot break any laws here, since we'll end up dealing with legal hassle caused by you. Please use common sense: respect the forum, its users, and those that write great code.
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So this has been coming up a lot and I want to make something VERY clear to a few members on here who wish to back up Sprint/Evo whenever possible without looking at the facts.
Most of the members on here flame other people who complain about the extra $10 a month charge. I have been here, I have seen it and from day one I have been against the extra fee. Members have been so harsh and irrational as to say "Idiot you signed up without reading the contract?" or "Obviously said an extra $10 you don't HAVE to get this phone" etc etc etc.
Fine. You win. We didn't have to get this phone nor Sprint etc.
But let me make something VERY f*****g clear.
Sprint outlined that we pay an extra $10 for a "richer data experience" and "truly unlimited bandwidth". Now, the same logic applies to Sprint. So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought. Clearly we pay an EXTRA amount for nothing other than Sprint to capitalize on their 'new iPhone killer'.
Lets face the facts:
Sprint clearly outlined our Evos to have unlimited bandwidth usage and that is the bottom line on the deal. A lot of members need to get off Sprints nuts and realize they are a mega corporation just like anyone else. If they had the iPhone they would be hijacking their prices and capping their bandwidth just to make extra cash too. This is how companies work.
If you need more evidence look into computer hardware. Currently, AMD is considered the best price/performance valued CPU on the market. There are a TON of AMD fanbois going around saying "we support AMD because they are an amazing corporation that does not cheat their customers like Intel does"
Bull****. When AMD was on top they were selling their native quad cores @ 1,000 when Intel was selling theirs for ~ 400. These server markets were untapped and AMD had the performance advantage. Now the tides have turned and people support AMD for the other reason.
The point I'm trying to make is there is a lot of FANBOISM going on in these forums. I have accepted it with phones but when people start to do it with carriers it just pisses me off. Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being f****d by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
All in all, if Sprint cant back up their 'truly unlimited extra $10 a month b***hit' then let them fail - that is how capitalism works. The consumers get shafted with ****ty prices but we also get the best that the producers are willing to offer at the time.
Viva la download.
Dude, most of the people that don't agree live in the UK and frequent these boards.
What came first, the fanboi or the anti-fanboi?
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What came first, the fanboi or the anti-fanboi?
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.. same goes for religion.. .. LAFF
I did argue with the sales man about why should I pay extra for 4g because I'm a two hour drive from the nearest 4g coverage.
Oh Noooo! I never realized I was paying an extra $10/mo.
My goodness, that's almost 34 cents a day!!
I'm gonna have to give up 2 trips to Starbucks every month.
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Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being ****ed by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
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No, the service is much different. CDMA is much stronger here than GSM. I have, many times, seen ATT/T-Mobile phones drop coverage completely while I wouldn't even loose data on my EVO. Metro isn't in my area, but Cricket is sh!t and not just in my area, everywhere. Dropped calls everywhere, hidden charges, ect. Also, I have had FANTASTIC customer service with Sprint and terrible customer service with ATT. I have not used Verizon or T-Mobile in a long time so I cannot comment on their customer service.
Honestly, yes we are paying MORE than the service costs, otherwise why would they provide that service? It costs about $6/month to provide service to a customer for the major carriers, possibly less. The point of ANY business is to convince the consumer that what they are buying is worth more that it actually is, which they have successfully done. It is worse in the wireless industry because there is much less government regulation, which is slowly changing. Other countries DO NOT have far better speeds on wireless networks, the US has the most robust 4G network in the world, though it is still weak. Wired connections are a different story, but we are not talking about that.
As bad as it may sound, our economy is based on deception of the consumer to maximize profits, that is just how capitalism works. Also, I really don't mind paying the $10 surcharge, 5 EVOs on Sprint (or EPICs) would cost $240/month while Verizon would cost $300/month and ATT would cost you $245/month (note that is for 2GB per phone and not unlimited) and T-Mobile costs you $250/month. And those prices are for the lowest minutes possible, while on Sprint we get any mobile. Now, I'm not going to say Sprint is the end all for all carriers, it is possible for any of the carriers to change their policies and prices. I have changed carriers 3 times, Verizon to T-Mobile, to ATT, to Sprint and have never been more satisfied with my service. That is partly due to the increased footprint of all networks, not just Sprint, but not only reception, full service.
@OP,
While this is a good topic for discussion, please try to keep the tone of your language down a bit. Thanks.
Is this argument still going on? It's a service. The company offering the service puts a price on it. If you find the service worth the price then you should buy it. If you think it is overpriced for the value you will gain out of it, then you should not buy it.
I personally find it worth $10 to have access to any city-wide Wimax hotspot as well as uncapped 3G data. That's why I bought the phone and the associated plan. Either way it is cheaper than similar Wimax-less and capped plans on Verizon or AT&T.
If you don't use a ton of data or Wimax then maybe you should buy one off contract and then activate it or maybe pick another phone/plan.
The world isn't perfect. Most things are a compromise. Ultimately the minutiae of high end wireless data plans and devices is a first world problem and I prefer to save my energy for other things.
Your mileage may vary.
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@OP,
While this is a good topic for discussion, please try to keep the tone of your language down a bit. Thanks.
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I disagree. OP starts threads looking for emotional reaction far too often for me to take this thread seriously.
Ha, dude, get over it. If you think other countries have better service and cheaper prices, then GO THERE...and to another forum.
One less winy, self-righteous individual clouding up the forums with their worthless rants.
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So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought.
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So this has been coming up a lot and I want to make something VERY clear to a few members on here who wish to back up Sprint/Evo whenever possible without looking at the facts....
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But let me make something VERY f*****g clear.
Sprint outlined that we pay an extra $10 for a "richer data experience" and "truly unlimited bandwidth". Now, the same logic applies to Sprint. So when I see users such as fachadick going off on how WE are stupid for downloading whatever we want yet he criticizes people for not wanting to pay the extra $10 a month it makes me question his line of thought. Clearly we pay an EXTRA amount for nothing other than Sprint to capitalize on their 'new iPhone killer'.
Lets face the facts:
Sprint clearly outlined our Evos to have unlimited bandwidth usage and that is the bottom line on the deal. A lot of members need to get off Sprints nuts and realize they are a mega corporation just like anyone else. If they had the iPhone they would be hijacking their prices and capping their bandwidth just to make extra cash too. This is how companies work...
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The point I'm trying to make is there is a lot of FANBOISM going on in these forums. I have accepted it with phones but when people start to do it with carriers it just pisses me off. Carriers don't care just like any other corporation. Members here have to understand there is no difference between Sprint/ATT/Verizon/Criket/Metro etc besides their prices and the phones they offer. In the end, ALL of us are being f****d by their ridiculous prices and horrible customer support. Other industrialized countries have far better speeds and much cheaper prices than we do.
All in all, if Sprint cant back up their 'truly unlimited extra $10 a month b***hit' then let them fail - that is how capitalism works. The consumers get shafted with ****ty prices but we also get the best that the producers are willing to offer at the time.
Viva la download.
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I'm a fanboi because I think the $10 charge is legitamate? OK, let's go over it again. Devices that have the premium data fee do give you a richer experience. If you just want unlimited data, get yourself a Hero or Moment, and avoid that extra $10 fee. What does the $10 get you? Well, Sprint charges $29.99 for the hotspot feature on the evo and epic, but without the EVO or Epic, you would need the Overdrive from Sprint to acheive the same functionality, which would cost you $60/month. The extra $10/month on the Evo/Epic gives you access to this same functionality for half the price.
The $10 also gives you access to devices with a front facing camera, which gives a much better experience with video chat applications, and lets not forget the access to nationwide wimax access (which just opened up where my office is, and I'm consistently pulling 7mb down. Again, if you don't feel that those items are any type of enhancement, or worth $10, go with a hero or moment, or hell, even the i1 - those are all android devices on sprint where you can get unlimited data without the $10 fee or access to what that $10 gets you.
As far as abusing the unlimited data goes, it's not that people are using the unlimited data that is causing the issue - by all means, use that data, after all, it's included in the plan. What will eventually screw us all over is the fact that people are using the unlimited data, and abusing the prohibited network usage clause in their contracts while doing so.
You're right, Sprint is just another big corporation. That's the whole point. Now that people are abusing the probited network usage clause, and not only using wireless tething for free and using it their main connection to the internet at home, but are also using it for things like torrents, and just to see how much they can actually download for the hell of it, there becmes a point where it no longer makes financial sense for them to offer unlimited data so cheap (compared to the other carriers) - and then we all lose out.
edit - and I never called anyone stupid, either.
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I really just can't help myself sometimes.
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I really just can't help myself sometimes.
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except for you, you can feed the troll...
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dont feed the troll people...
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Why do people even complain? Don't like the pricing or how the company is setup, pick up your crap and go to the next carrier. I don't pay for anything I don't find value in
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If you weren't aware of the $10 charge or didnt pay attention cuz you were too excited about getting your new phone, THATS YOUR FAULT! Not Sprint's. Just like what's been said before, Sprint offers other Android phones that don't come with an extra $10 fee. If it bothers you that much, sell your EVO on Craigslist or eBay and buy one of them.
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I'm a fanboi because I think the $10 charge is legitamate? OK, let's go over it again. Devices that have the premium data fee do give you a richer experience. If you just want unlimited data, get yourself a Hero or Moment, and avoid that extra $10 fee.
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You know...I don't "like" paying an extra $10, but I feel it is fully worth it.
As of a week ago, I have an add a line with a hero. First android phone for my gf, and she has been on the thing constantly. Guess what? Light usage for me and I have used three times the data in an identical time frame. The two ROMS I downloaded were on 4G so they don't add to the total.
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If you weren't aware of the $10 charge or didnt pay attention cuz you were too excited about getting your new phone, THATS YOUR FAULT! Not Sprint's. Just like what's been said before, Sprint offers other Android phones that don't come with an extra $10 fee. If it bothers you that much, sell your EVO on Craigslist or eBay and buy one of them.
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Yeah ok... I was never told about it when I purchased. Also.. signing the contract was digital so I saw nothing on any fees or pricing. Hell I didn't even know about it when I went on this forum. Again. I'm not really mad about paying for it.. not at all... but not everyone was told about it.. I gave him my info. Was told to sign twice on the electric pad and picked the 69.99 package. Turned my phone on and activated, printed out the contract form and told me thanks for joining sprint.. so you tell me when I was told about it. The package says unlimited data. I asked a Rep at the store and its for 4g service and owning a premium smartphone. Nothing about unlimited data? I was told I could go to blackerry and have same plan and have "unlimited 3g" so again its for 4g and owning the already paid for phone. I rather pay 10 bucks even if not here if it helps get it faster in Wisconsin. But don't say its for the unlimited data crap.. or they told you.. because not everyone was told about it.
Edit: the printed contract was stuff in the bag with the evolution box as soon as it printed and handed to me thanking for choosing sprint. So again never seen a contract.
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Yeah ok... I was never told about it when I purchased. Also.. signing the contract was digital so I saw nothing on any fees or pricing. Hell I didn't even know about it when I went on this forum. Again. I'm not really mad about paying for it.. not at all... but not everyone was told about it.. I gave him my info. Was told to sign twice on the electric pad and picked the 69.99 package. Turned my phone on and activated, printed out the contract form and told me thanks for joining sprint.. so you tell me when I was told about it. The package says unlimited data. I asked a Rep at the store and its for 4g service and owning a premium smartphone. Nothing about unlimited data? I was told I could go to blackerry and have same plan and have "unlimited 3g" so again its for 4g and owning the already paid for phone. I rather pay 10 bucks even if not here if it helps get it faster in Wisconsin. But don't say its for the unlimited data crap.. or they told you.. because not everyone was told about it.
Edit: the printed contract was stuff in the bag with the evolution box as soon as it printed and handed to me thanking for choosing sprint. So again never seen a contract.
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I never mentioned anything in post about "contract". I'm not trying to argue or call you out, I'm simply saying the tiniest bit of research of the phone prior to purchase would've revealed the extra $10 charge. It was displayed on Sprint and BB's websites. I never saw a contact or was ever told by the Sprint rep that sold me the phone either.
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It's funny, until sprint started in with BS explainations for the charge I had no problem at all with it. I was told when I bought the Epic that the charge was a network charge for 4g. And that was at a sprint store.
As a matter of fact, I was totally cool with it! And cool with it knowing it'd probably be a year minimum until I had the service because I live in a small town about 150 miles from Denver.
When it wasn't cool with me is when they started saying crap like this: http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/53633;
What do you guys think? I'm pretty annoyed by it at this point.
Wasn't it the senator from WV that said "if you're gonna get raped, maybe you should just lay back and enjoy it?"
I like to think of the $10 bull$hit fee as that. Even though it's complete and utter BS, they tacked it on, and if you want one of the power phones, you'll just have to deal with it, so you might as well just pay up and enjoy the awesome phone.
quit *****ing.... its obvious its to build a network that needs to be paid off... you dont want that $10 fee get a different phone
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quit *****ing.... its obvious its to build a network that needs to be paid off... you dont want that $10 fee get a different phone
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I'm not *****ing FYI. I don't like people that I pay almost $200 a month for almost 8 years piping smoke up my ass.
But then if you'd have actually read the post and the provided link you'd have probably understood that..
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Wasn't it the senator from WV that said "if you're gonna get raped, maybe you should just lay back and enjoy it?"
I like to think of the $10 bull$hit fee as that. Even though it's complete and utter BS, they tacked it on, and if you want one of the power phones, you'll just have to deal with it, so you might as well just pay up and enjoy the awesome phone.
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I agree %100 with ya. I think they need to call it what it is, like the rep I bought my phone from did.
i was just talking to my friend about this yesterday, Im under his family plan and its crap the **** they are charging for. Between the two of us its 120 each a month. and like 4g we are not able to use it, now if that 10 bucks was being used to expand the network so I could use it, I would be fine with it. But the link says its not for the network...what BS
That might be the dumbest thing I've ever read...
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I just came from sprint after being away from them for a year with the ass raping big red. Trust me when i say that sprint's plans are way better then a lot of carriers out there. The only reason i left them a year ago is because of service in my area wasn't the best but i have moved and have 5 bars. Anywho, it is only costing my wife and i 129.99 (2 smart phones) a month for 1500 minutes then unlimited everything else plus the $10.00 4g charge (which is labeled that way on my bill and explained to me by every rep in person and on the phone that way.) my verizon bill for 1 smart phone and 1 multi-media phone was 170.00 a month for 1400 minutes.
So if you want to ***** about 10 a month and being ass raped then get a pay by the minute phone and don't buy the latest and greatest thing. This is the problem with our society is that we just want to ***** rather then find a solution. Also, nothing is free and a new technology network needs to be paid for. Prolly when you renew contract after 2 years you won't have to pay anymore and the network will be everywhere 3g is as all phones will prolly be 4g.
So again. STOP *****ING
I think you guys are missing the point... the point is that Sprint is lying about the $10 charge not being for 4g access... If anyone were to call Sprint and ask them about it they will feed you the same BS line they fed me... "its because of the HD content the Epic and Evo recieve , that's its constantly updating and that's its a charge to cover all that extra data"... Which we all know to be pure crap... Now you must ask yourself... "why doesn't Sprint just fess up and say yeah it is for 4g access"... Well let me tell you, if they were to announce that it is for 4g access then they would have to bring 4G access to all markets... Which they have no control over because if you did some research you would find that Sprint 4G isn't really Sprint's... Their entire 4g network belongs to Clearwire, a wireless competitor. Which is why there has been so much controversy over it... in fact a class action lawsuit has already been filed and is widely published on the web... just google Sprint 4g Class Action Lawsuit... Now I've been a loyal Sprint customer for the past 10 years and quite frankly I would be completely fine with paying the $10 if they would just admit to what it is really for and not insult the intelligence of their customers saying that its for the "Premium Content" for the Epic and Evo knowing full well that the exact same content can be found on the Hero or any other non-4g device.
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They really are dude. I spelled it out in the OP so I don't get it.
I've never even considered another carrier. I love sprint's service. As a matter of fact. My wife stil has verizon and I refuse to switch. I've been with them for years and won't do it. So between us we pay almost $400 to verizon and sprint. And we constantly argue which is better,even thoughshe knows sprint is! So I'm a fanboy lol
I dislike being lied to and I dislike being called 'whiny' or '*****y' or being told to 'shut up' when I am merely expressing an opinion. It was my understanding that I was free to post my opinion on these boards. This is the second time this has come up and I am going to re post what I said in the last thread:
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Tell me what law sprint violated. They didn't violate any. Your only argument is that you deserve a good phone. If you can't do better than that you should just let this discussion drop. The fact is that in a competative market companies can charge what they want and we as consumers can chose to pay or go somewhere else. Well if the issue was that important to you go somewhere else. Of course you will still pay more than you pay at sprint.
The other things you cited are also abuses of the courts and the taxpayers. It doesn't make this particular abuse any better. Like I said you have made it clear that you knew about the fee prior to purchasing your phone yet purchased it anyway. What law do you think should allow the government to intervene and change the agreement you made. Would that be the law of fairness? Or how about the law of I deserve a top of the line phone? I am being sarcastic here but would truly like to hear what law sprint has violated. So far no one has been able to answer this. Even the attorney for the case says he is investigating to see if sprint violated any laws.
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Actually, recently Verizon as well as many other carriers were sued successfully due to their policies of ETFs being a violation of consumers rights even though those signing up knew about the ETFs. The issue was that someone who had a month left on their contract had to pay the same fee as someone who was canceling a month into the plan and thus was a violation of their rights.
Now I'm going to pull a sly little trick:
The issue was that someone who had a month left on their contract had to pay the same fee to cancel their contract as someone who was canceling a month into the plan and thus was a violation of their rights.
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Watch this!
The issue was that someone who had no 4g coverage had to pay the same fee to use 4g as someone who had 4g coverage and thus was a violation of their rights.
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Oh gosh! By changing just the words of the type of fee its the same circumstance!
Also, part of the reason I'm on Sprint is that my area gets terrible cell reception in general and other cell carriers have actually allowed me to cancel service without incurring an ETF because I could not use the service for which I was paying. I knew I was signing up for a cellular service and they would charge me but because I could not use their service they allowed me to get out of my contract. Again, same situation.
Even if we look at the fact they say its for the extra data you're going to use, I'm paying for unlimited data. So lets go to an analogy: I go to a buffet. I'm a small guy, so they know I probably won't eat a lot. A fat guy comes in behind me so they believe he will eat more than me so they charge him an addition fee to eat at the buffet even though the fee covers "all you can eat." That is a violation of consumer rights.
I understand that Sprint is cheaper but paying $10 a month basically because I chose to buy a better phone is absurd.
In addition, if Sprint were in the process of rolling out coverage to where I live, or even where I will be moving in 8 months, I'd pay. I'd pay oh-so-willingly. I'd be unhappy that they were lying about what the charge was for, but I would pay. But they're not. So I'm being lied to and I'm paying for YOUR service, so I have every god damned right to be ****ing angry about it.
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I agree %100 with ya. I think they need to call it what it is, like the rep I bought my phone from did.
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They can't just call it what it is, because then there would be a bunch of butthurt people trying to sue them because they cannot use the service they are paying for. Its a lot easier for everyone to understand that its for the 4g, but for corporate to stick to the line that its for the high end devices features. Its obvious its for the 4g service, and even then you have people complaining and calling for class action lawsuits against sprint. I am sure that the Sprint's legal team have figured out that they are safer describing at a corporate level that the fee is for the high end phone and not the high end service. And I am also sure that Sprint has made it known to employees to describe the fee as a 4g charge, so that if any customer complains to corporate, they can just pass it off as some misinformed store employee.
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They can't just call it what it is, because then there would be a bunch of butthurt people trying to sue them because they cannot use the service they are paying for. Its a lot easier for everyone to understand that its for the 4g, but for corporate to stick to the line that its for the high end devices features. Its obvious its for the 4g service, and even then you have people complaining and calling for class action lawsuits against sprint.
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People like you are so hilarious. You're only real arguments are name-calling and immaturity. You present no evidence except opinion and childish insults.
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People like you are so hilarious. You're only real arguments are name-calling and immaturity. You present no evidence except opinion and childish insults.
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Wut? I didn't call anyone a name, and nothing I said was immature unless you really want to nitpick my word choice. Would it make you cry less if I changed "butthurt" to "offended"?
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They can't just call it what it is, because then there would be a bunch of butthurt people trying to sue them because they cannot use the service they are paying for. Its a lot easier for everyone to understand that its for the 4g, but for corporate to stick to the line that its for the high end devices features. Its obvious its for the 4g service, and even then you have people complaining and calling for class action lawsuits against sprint. I am sure that the Sprint's legal team have figured out that they are safer describing at a corporate level that the fee is for the high end phone and not the high end service. And I am also sure that Sprint has made it known to employees to describe the fee as a 4g charge, so that if any customer complains to corporate, they can just pass it off as some misinformed store employee.
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Actually no they do not in any way describe it as a charge for 4g, in fact if you were to call customer service they will tell you exactly what was told to me in my previous post, and then if you decided to call them on it they will simply tell you that in order to have that device active on the account you MUST have that particular billing code.... And to even further prove my point, the next day I got a automated call survey about my interaction with customer service... When I rated it low, I received a call afew hours later from a Customer Satisfaction rep and when I explained my issue, guess what she told me.... thats right.... the EXACT same thing.. "Oh, you are getting that charge because the Evo and Epic are cutting edge devices and because of that fact they are constantly connecting to the web and updating apps and what not" at which point I did a facepalm and promptly disconnected the call.
Did you read my post? I clearly explained that Corporate will always stick to the line that its for a high end device, most likely because of some stupid legal issue. The employees at the stores however ALWAYS tell you its for the 4g service. I have spoken to at least half a dozen when I was buying my phone, and EVERY ONE of them described it as a 4g fee.
Also, this is how its described on my online bill.
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Then you are lucky to have such honest sales reps in your area... My sales rep didn't even tell me about the charge and I had to find out on my bill... and thus the reason for my frustrating call to Customer Service
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Then you are lucky to have such honest sales reps in your area... My sales rep didn't even tell me about the charge and I had to find out on my bill... and thus the reason for my frustrating call to Customer Service
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Jesus, thats pretty ****ty. I would have been pissed too.
No doubt! And the problem is that it's a your word against his if you complained about it. That really sucks. I'm glad because the reps here are really cool.
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Jesus, thats pretty ****ty. I would have been pissed too.
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And if you are curious about the legal issue as to why they cannot call the charge 4g access or whatever, it's because Sprint has no control over where they can offer 4g access... Their entire 4g network is piggybacking off of Clearwire and for people in areas like myself with 0 Clearwire presence within a 300 mile radius... We are pretty much SOL. So by calling it "Premium Data" and linking it to the phone they can charge anyone with the device... vs calling it 4g Access then people can call up and say "I have no 4g in my area so take it off until it is active here"
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...lans-this-summer/&category=classic&postPage=1
So sad that companies are doing this, especially just to carry a phone.
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http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...lans-this-summer/&category=classic&postPage=1
So sad that companies are doing this, especially just to carry a phone.
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Yeah, I don't know what to do.
I kinda want to get the EVO3D, but I really like Moto phones... but Sprint is cheaper and has a better plan.
If Moto would come out with a DROID 3 on Sprint I wouldn't even be having this predicament. Or if HTC would make a ridiculously-specced QWERTY phone with Android on Sprint.
so sad, i hope carriers change their mind about how low the cap is
Kinda sucks in a way since I hate it when carriers get the better of customers. As long as I get good Sprint coverage ( and they don't do any stupid **** like this), I'm sticking with them though.
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Sad to think it's only a matter of time before Sprint moves in the same direction. It's inevitable.
Am I the only one seeing it.....what happened to at&t after iPhone dropped? This is only round 2 of the Jobs train. Verizon will soon be another at&t and so will sprint is they're stupid enough to get it. Pretty sad.
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I don't know that they can.
They made a commitment to truly unlimited, to go back on it now would damage them as far as PR.
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I don't know that they can.
They made a commitment to truly unlimited, to go back on it now would damage them as far as PR.
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Of course they CAN.
I do hope they stick to their plans for as long as logically possible. But it just seems unrealistic to think that even 5 years from now they'd still be offering truly unlimited data. This is the direction the industry is going in. Sprint will inevitably follow.
I love Sprint and hope they can keep it up for as long as possible, and it's going to be a great reason to start drawing in even more subscribers as everyone else goes the tiered data route. But it's not going to last forever. Or even half of forever ... whatever that is.
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Of course they CAN.
I do hope they stick to their plans for as long as logically possible. But it just seems unrealistic to think that even 5 years from now they'd still be offering truly unlimited data. This is the direction the industry is going in. Sprint will inevitably follow.
I love Sprint and hope they can keep it up for as long as possible, and it's going to be a great reason to start drawing in even more subscribers as everyone else goes the tiered data route. But it's not going to last forever. Or even half of forever ... whatever that is.
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When I speak of "can" I mean with business sense, of course.
Sprint needs to be smart here because that wins you business.
If they're smart and keep to what they claim are their ideals then they can steal away a good chunk from the At&t/Verizon crowd.
They need to maintain their network, keep prices low and keep truly unlimited.
There's only one way to do that: efficiency.
Well, sure. From a business stand point that is all well and good. I get what you're saying but I don't think its that crazy to think that even a few years down the road ( IF that) you start hearing talk of Sprint possibly moving away from true unlimited. At the end of the day you have to keep the boat afloat and you have to weigh the 'money from subscriber numbers' to the possible 'revenue from said subscribers data plans.'
I do think that with their current plans, coupled with other carrier decisions and actions, it can only be a positive for Sprint to keep up the same game. But at the end of the day it is a business. Whatever nets you more of a profit at the end of the year and allows the dream to continue is what gets done. At the end of the day it's all the same, the business has to do what is best for themselves.
I do think it's more important for Sprint because they obviously don't have the numbers that the others do, so even if however many people choose to abandon the network because of tiered data plans, the hit isn't as noticeable. But with Sprint, should people start jumping ship en masse due to their network issues then it obviously effects Sprint more because of the smaller numbers.
I'm not saying Sprint couldn't afford to do it, I get that it would make more sense for them to stick with their current guns - especially in the face of everyone else changing their plans up. And time will tell just how many people actually jump from Verizon / AT&T / T-Mobile to Sprint because of their unlimited data plans. It's not like people are jumping on at record numbers.
Either way, it's still going to happen. Just a matter of time.
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When I speak of "can" I mean with business sense, of course.
Sprint needs to be smart here because that wins you business.
If they're smart and keep to what they claim are their ideals then they can steal away a good chunk from the At&t/Verizon crowd.
They need to maintain their network, keep prices low and keep truly unlimited.
There's only one way to do that: efficiency.
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I think their network is the only thing holding them back and that's my only complaint.. I work for at&t land line and even with my measly 20% discount, I still pay less with sprint shared plan
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I wouldn't go as far as to claim that.
I would be interested to know how much it actually costs a carrier to have truly unlimited versus not.
My guess would be: not jack **** of a difference.
My guess is it's really all about preventing sharing of copyrighted files and what Apple wants. [yet another example why don't own apple products]
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When I speak of "can" I mean with business sense, of course.
Sprint needs to be smart here because that wins you business.
If they're smart and keep to what they claim are their ideals then they can steal away a good chunk from the At&t/Verizon crowd.
They need to maintain their network, keep prices low and keep truly unlimited.
There's only one way to do that: efficiency.
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I dont know why people still believe this exodus to the cheaper/better deal carrier stuff to be true. Sprint and Tmobile have been the cheapest out of the 4 big carriers in the US for probably the past 5 years. Even the fact that you can get almost unlimited calls, texts and data for $69.99 on Sprint still hasnt been enough to sway people from choosing VZW and AT&T instead. Its as simple as looking at the churn and post paid subscriber gains/losses. Sprint and Tmobile are cheaper and still bleed more customers than the big 2.
In the grand scheme of things.. its not going to matter. Sprint still has a stigma tied to its name from the terrible service/customer service they used to have and when people think of Verizon.. they think of the big red map on tv that gets you coverage pretty much everywhere. Same with Tmobile and AT&T... hell Tmobile has unlimited everything plans for like $79.99 and are still bleeding a ****load of customers pretty much every quarter. AT&T has tiered data and high plans, yet still gains post paid customers every quarter. I hope people dont think that just because VZW is going tiered thats going to change. Even with all the changes Sprint has made, their sole reason for the turnaround last year was the Evo. That was a good thing... but at the time the Evo was the first.. AND only of its time. Now you have Evo equivalents and even better coming out on every other carrier.
The whole "first to 4G" thing also helped... but pretty much everyone has it now. Hell even Metro PCS is lighting up LTE in cities now. I would think by now people would realize that its not always the "value" that the masses seek though. Prime example of that, look at how high priced Apple products are but yet.. they cant keep anything they sell in stock and everything they make flies off the shelves. I mean you COULD go get that mp3 player that does the same thing for $100 less... but people dont. You COULD get an Acer tablet instead of the ipad... but people dont. Marketing and perception is reality and thats still a negative in Sprints corner.
mattykinsx said:
I wouldn't go as far as to claim that.
I would be interested to know how much it actually costs a carrier to have truly unlimited versus not.
My guess would be: not jack **** of a difference.
My guess is it's really all about preventing sharing of copyrighted files and what Apple wants. [yet another example why don't own apple products]
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Hell just look at the huge backhaul issues Sprint is having now. Thats with unlimited data. Let AT&T and/or VZW show that going to a tiered data system cuts costs and I guarantee you at some point Sprint will be doing the same thing.
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I dont know why people still believe this exodus to the cheaper/better deal carrier stuff to be true. Sprint and Tmobile have been the cheapest out of the 4 big carriers in the US for probably the past 5 years. Even the fact that you can get almost unlimited calls, texts and data for $69.99 on Sprint still hasnt been enough to sway people from choosing VZW and AT&T instead. Its as simple as looking at the churn and post paid subscriber gains/losses. Sprint and Tmobile are cheaper and still bleed more customers than the big 2.
In the grand scheme of things.. its not going to matter. Sprint still has a stigma tied to its name from the terrible service/customer service they used to have and when people think of Verizon.. they think of the big red map on tv that gets you coverage pretty much everywhere. Same with Tmobile and AT&T... hell Tmobile has unlimited everything plans for like $79.99 and are still bleeding a ****load of customers pretty much every quarter. AT&T has tiered data and high plans, yet still gains post paid customers every quarter. I hope people dont think that just because VZW is going tiered thats going to change. Even with all the changes Sprint has made, their sole reason for the turnaround last year was the Evo. That was a good thing... but at the time the Evo was the first.. AND only of its time. Now you have Evo equivalents and even better coming out on every other carrier.
The whole "first to 4G" thing also helped... but pretty much everyone has it now. Hell even Metro PCS is lighting up LTE in cities now. I would think by now people would realize that its not always the "value" that the masses seek though. Prime example of that, look at how high priced Apple products are but yet.. they cant keep anything they sell in stock and everything they make flies off the shelves. I mean you COULD go get that mp3 player that does the same thing for $100 less... but people dont. You COULD get an Acer tablet instead of the ipad... but people dont. Marketing and perception is reality and thats still a negative in Sprints corner.
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You hit the nail on the head right there though, it's because of the image Sprint has.
Nothing else.
As far as T-mobile...I know that there are some on here that praise them but their service is dead last.
I think MetroPcs actually has more land coverage now than T-mobile.
If Sprint can change people's minds and stick to their ideals, I see a bright future among the darkness of At&t/Verizon.
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Hell just look at the huge backhaul issues Sprint is having now. Thats with unlimited data. Let AT&T and/or VZW show that going to a tiered data system cuts costs and I guarantee you at some point Sprint will be doing the same thing.
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I don't know but again, let's not speak in absolutes and with 100% belief because we just don't know.
In the first quarter of this yearSprint reported the most customers gained and the fewest lost in years. I'd venture to say that at that time point it wasn't due to the evo or 4g, seems their image and rep are changing as we type.
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mattykinsx said:
I wouldn't go as far as to claim that.
I would be interested to know how much it actually costs a carrier to have truly unlimited versus not.
My guess would be: not jack **** of a difference.
My guess is it's really all about preventing sharing of copyrighted files and what Apple wants. [yet another example why don't own apple products]
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The difference in network usage is enough. When Sprint gets back up, and gets a lot of subscribers, then it'll be interesting to see how they handle the two hand in hand.
Look, I'm all for Sprint ... I've been nothing but happy with Sprint. Data speeds in my area are fine, but when visiting family elsewhere I noticed that for the most part it was hit or miss. Thankfully I wasn't relying on phone usage at that time, or at least network usage. But where it counts, where I happen to live and spend most of my time, I have no complaints. So, naturally, I really do hope they can continue this truly unlimited offering for as long as they can. I'm not assuming they'll drop their plans next year, that would be terrible.
Go ahead and point me to the information convincing yourself that it's 'never' going to happen. It's obviously a known fact that for Sprint to keep their small base happy they have to stand by their word, but should that base grow tremendously so they'll have to start putting more and more money into their network. You have to make money to spend money and you have to come out with a profit to realistically keep said business going.
I don't doubt that Sprint reneging on their current plans in the next year would result in a lethal blow to their business, but down the road? It all depends on how well Sprint continues to grow and improve.
And it also wouldn't be the first time that a business made 'promises' or claimed end goals but had to change for their own good. You don't take a business and run it until it just dies without trying to change your methods. You exhaust all options to keep it afloat. Even with their unlimited data I don't see people flocking to Sprint in record numbers. Not to say people aren't, but it's not some 'write home and write off the other carriers' numbers.
I honestly hope Sprint can keep it up. Do I expect Sprint to have the same data plans 10 years from now? No, I really don't. But I hope I'm wrong!
I have to ask this question. If sprint decided to change it's plans next month before the Evo 3d and stated that if you upgrade you will be rolled into a 2gb or 5 gb plan. 2gb the price is the same and 5gb with a $10.00 increase. How many of you would sign for another two years?
These companies know that phones are our weakness and if you want it bad enough you will sign that contract and pay the upcharge. Simple as that. I am thinking from now on in general that I will just buy my phones straight out from craigslist or ebay because these companies are starting to take advantage at every corner. The new deal with AT&T and Tmobile will make our choices even smaller causing these companies to really bend us over.
Sprint charges more for 4g or premium data and we don't get that. Now if I decide to tether and it goes over 5gb then red flags are thrown up. See they feel like they can stick it to you but when you stick it to them, they drop you like a hot potatoe. When are Americans gonna figure out that these companies are not our friends and at the end of the day the only thing that matters is the Almighty Dollar.
sorry to be off topic, but i'd rail the tmobile girl in a heartbeat...back to topic. Verizon might lower their prices and leave a cap. This would please some people, not me
That weird looking one with the horse mouth? Interesting ...
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