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OK so I have in front of me a novatec and epson unit.
I need to choose which one to keep and it is killin' me, for several reasons.
Off the bat. Pro's of both.
Novatec:
Looks better/more vibrant.
Brighter.
Changing brightness always fades in and out. (Noticeable from power control, screen timeout, and brightness control in the settings menu)
Epson:
More realistic.
White's and black's look better.
Problems. They both have light leakage (same amount).
However, the novatec has a stuck pixel which is why I got a replacement, also, though it looks better the coloration is very slightly off (strange, almost pinkish hue on white's).
Epson sometimes shows horizontal lines upon close inspection (especially on grays) where the novatec doesnt. Also looks slightly washed out..
The last problem that is really bothering me.. It doesn't fade in/out lol!
I know it sounds stupid, but why would a different LCD change something like that? Which is clearly software.
Is there any way to bring that back?
It just seems like a really stupid thing to disable a feature that is clearly aesthetic for only the epson's.
I found one reason why the immediate brightness change is beneficial.
When you turn off a nova and turn it on, for a second it's at max brightness then ramps down to the set brightness.
Epson is immediate .
I think that is why they chose that method.
I'm still stuck here.. I want the higher quality screen, but i get mixed reviews from the web.
Most people think that the novatec looks better, but is less accurate.
I would have to agree with that.
So then which one is higher quality?
I would like some background on Novatec/k/ch. I cant find much about them other than this website.
www.novatech.co.uk
At least for epson I have heard of them before and they are known for their imaging products.
The only time you will notice a difference is when you have two in front of you.
Or you obsess about it enough to research it to much and create a post on a forum about it.
I have a Novatec and I am glad I do. I don't like the look of the epsons that I have seen. And mine fades nicely.
I'm a huge fan of my Nova. I've seen both versions, and I much prefer the Nova's.
One thing I did notice between the two though: on my Nova, I can see vertical yellowish/off-white lines on pure white screens. Look closely, you'll see it too most likely. Bugs the sh*t outta me
But on the Epsons, I also saw the horizontal greyish lines the OP mentioned.
Just my $.02
So keep a nova with a stuck sub-pixel (only noticed it on blue), or an epson with an otherwise flawless display.
Last option is to complain and have them ship another one and hope it's a nova.
Why can't I have the whites of an epson with a nova screen! DAMNIT
Side by side with my friend's Evo. Nova vs Epson, and I had a hard time seeing a difference as far as brightness and color. I really didn't take much time to compare the two however.
It seems like the entire spectrum of color is shifted slightly warmer for the novas.
The Epsons are probably better since the spectrum is baseline and more accurate.
Pure white #FFF is perfectly white on the Epson.
On the nova its warmer, slightly yellow but that gives everything a more vibrant/colorful appearance..
All I need know now is that epsons are reliable and high quality lcd's
Wow too my surprise, after installing the new update, I noticed right off the colors has been calibrated correctly! No more purplish in certain shades of grays now!
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2.3.3 also fixed my overly bright screen too. I used to have my NS always set on the lowest brightness setting and I still felt that it was too bright.
Yeah it did seem to improve the brightness as well. I like the new settings.
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You guys don't think its too yellowish now??
I do a bit of photography and have a colour corrected wide gamut monitor I use for retouching.
To my eyes, when looking at the same photography on both devices, the new colour temperature is much closer to 'correct' than the old one was. Not perfect but much more preferable to me.
so maybe all the complaining people have been doing is just their eyes not used to what the screen "should" look like
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so maybe all the complaining people have been doing is just their eyes not used to what the screen "should" look like
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That is 100% correct. My girlfriend is a professional photographer and she even commented on how much better it looks.
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I know that when I first bought my Datacolor Spyder colorimeter to calibrate my monitor it took a while to get used to the results. Much less "in your face" than before, but much closer to natural.
I exchanged my first Nexus S because the screen was too blue/purple. The second one was slightly less purple. But the new color profile got rid of all the purpleness
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so maybe all the complaining people have been doing is just their eyes not used to what the screen "should" look like
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agree.... i think this might improve the battery life too.
google fixed ns's color too much...
though grey does not display as purple any more,white displays as a bit yellow now,what takes ns's sharp display away.
iv been using "voodoo" kernel w/ext4-voodoo sound & color :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=949292
on modaco r11 "2.3.2" and the colors are awesome , i had the purple tint on dark gray areas but its all gone now .
can someone compare this with the colors on 2.3.3 ?
I like the new colors it looks now great!!!
I noticed the colour difference immediately as well. It actually felt weird to me, I was really used to the purplish colour in the UI. Feels very grey. Not complaining though if this is how it should have been, but feels weird.
I for one do not like the new colors. They look too washed out and gray.
The Crispness is gone. Whites are now yellowish. I am not a fan. I did a comparison with a friends NS side by side his with 2.3.2 and mine with 2.3.3. and there is a difference and 2.3.2. looked better. This could be "the correct color" as has been stated but that does not mean it looks better. I have never noticed a purplish tint before and even looking at my friends NS with 2.3.2. I still do not see it.
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I for one do not like the new colors. They look too washed out and gray.
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Same here. Looking at it again (2 Nexus S side by side) the one with 2.3.3 really seems washed out.
I did notice an occasional purplish tint on 2.3.2, but mostly from different viewing angles, less so when looking straight on at the screen. It never bothered me. The overall color scheme was also a bit cool, with more blues coming through. I've read that because blue LEDs in AMOLED screens wear out quicker, often they are overemphasized at first and will fade over time. I thought this might have been the explanation.
I definitely noticed a color change after updating to 2.3.3. At first it was very bothersome. The colors do seem to be washed out and the whites seem just a tad yellow. But I can see how this may be more accurate as the previous color scheme was overly cool. Maybe we tend to prefer a cooler color temperature. The new one will take some getting used to. Blue is a "comfort color" after all.
Blue appears brighter to the human eye despite the actual lumen output being similar. It's like those custom bulbs that some people like to put on their honda civics or whatever, the blue/purple looking ones. Yea they "look" bright but they actually output less light than the standard yellowish bulbs.
Anyway, being an avid photographer and spending hours tweaking my plasma TV's colors, warmer colors are more natural to the human eye and most people jack up the blues to make things look more contrasty or sharp, which in my opinion is too harsh and fake. Even the iPhone 4 screen is tinted blue to make whites appear brighter. Then again, some HTC screens are so red tinted it's ridiculous, so in the end, download the color calibration app and tweak it according to your liking.
quattro_rs said:
iv been using "voodoo" kernel w/ext4-voodoo sound & color :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=949292
on modaco r11 "2.3.2" and the colors are awesome , i had the purple tint on dark gray areas but its all gone now .
can someone compare this with the colors on 2.3.3 ?
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i would say the voodoo fix isnt as "extreme" as 2.3.3
A few of my main issues with this phone are as follows:
-green tint on screen
-somewhat insensitive touch sceen (Evo screen is a lot more responsive and less prone to miss touches)
-very short battery life 5-6 hours of my typical use) My Evo battery lasts twice as long.
-radio issues
-cheap, slippery plastic (prone to scratch and fly out of your hand)
-speaker can in-call volume not very loud. (though it does sound good, imo)
Overall the Nexus does not have that premium feel that a "Google Experience" flagship phone should have IMO. The LG Optimus (free on contract) feels better, and has rubberized case. If LG can do that on a cheap entry level Android phone, why can't (money bags) Google?
Obviously these are just my opinions, but it seems like Google will lose out on sales when their *Flagship* phone feels cheap, but costs $550 off contract! Expecially when it it sitting next to phones which feel a lot more sturdy, do not have green/yellow tinted screens, etc.
I never liked the Epic because it feels cheap and hollow. The Nexus does not feel hollow, but is does feel just as cheap. Hopefully for the next Google phone they will get a better hardware partner!
The biggest thorn in my Nexus S experience still remains the typing, and more specifically the double-letter glitch with the first letter of words. It's ridiculous. I'll get sentences like this, "Hey Bob, hhow is it going ttoday?" Frequently. Then sometimes it'll even repeat the first two letters of a word, for example, like "ththis." This becomes especially obnoxious with two letter words, like "I'm walking toto the park."
It is a known issue, but Google has yet to address this: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=14755
I'm pretty blown away by your post.
I've never owned a phone that feels as nice and classy as my Nexus S. It makes my old Evo feel like a side-show freak compared to my Supermodel Nexus.
My screen looks absolutely spectacular.
My battery life ABSOLUTELY BLOWS AWAY my Evo battery life. I go all day (and sometimes into the next day) on one charge STOCK, whereas I had to undervolt and mod the **** out of my Evo to get maybe 10 hours.
I did find typing easier on my Evo, but I've always attributed it to the larger screen.
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I'm pretty blown away by your post.
I've never owned a phone that feels as nice and classy as my Nexus S. It makes my old Evo feel like a side-show freak compared to my Supermodel Nexus.
My screen looks absolutely spectacular.
My battery life ABSOLUTELY BLOWS AWAY my Evo battery life. I go all day (and sometimes into the next day) on one charge STOCK, whereas I had to undervolt and mod the **** out of my Evo to get maybe 10 hours.
I did find typing easier on my Evo, but I've always attributed it to the larger screen.
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I agree with all the points here. I've only had my Nexus 2 days but it's far superior to the Evo. It's faster, smoother, slicker, and has noticeably longer battery life. My only complaints are the lack of a notification light (which, honestly, I've not missed at all) and low external speaker volume.
I noticed the strange green or yellowish tint to the screen as well. I noticed if you turn the brightness all the way up it helps. Or if you're on CM, use a theme that display battery and signal in a color other than green in the status bar.
My one biggest complaint is really how noticeable pixels are on letters and some images. I was looking at some other phones and I found the screens to look a little more crisp. (Is this attributed to a higher resolution or PPI?)
The next point that bugs me is the body. Yes, it's gorgeous, yes it's light and easy to handle... but it -does- scratch and ding easily.
In terms of differences in screen colors (tints - some are green, some beige, etc), battery life, etc., these things go to show the inconsistencies in this cheap Samsung hardware.
I know it is easy to pick up a new phone and feel like wow, this thing is awesome. But once I saw all the issues with this Nexus, and went back to the Evo...while heavier, the Evo feels much better, and is a much better experience overall. From typing, to sound quality to screen sensitivity, scratch resistance, LEDs, larger screen, etc. The only thing I really like more on the Nexus is the camera - while lower resolution is has less noise, and the edges of the lens are sharper than the Evo's.
While I do not care about 3D images, I am now looking forward to the Evo 3D, which is thankfully narrower than the Evo 4g.
Anyway, to each his own. I am not trying to convince anyone to agree with me. Just stating where I stand.
gmap516 said:
I noticed the strange green or yellowish tint to the screen as well. I noticed if you turn the brightness all the way up it helps. Or if you're on CM, use a theme that display battery and signal in a color other than green in the status bar.
My one biggest complaint is really how noticeable pixels are on letters and some images. I was looking at some other phones and I found the screens to look a little more crisp. (Is this attributed to a higher resolution or PPI?)
The next point that bugs me is the body. Yes, it's gorgeous, yes it's light and easy to handle... but it -does- scratch and ding easily.
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It's because of the pixel matrix. AMOLED is a fundamentally different technology than LCD - LCD panels push a white backlight through a grid of color-changing pixels whereas AMOLED basically consists of a grid of LEDs that emit their own light. It's a very new technology and obviously it has a bit of room to mature.
gmap516 said:
I noticed the strange green or yellowish tint to the screen as well. I noticed if you turn the brightness all the way up it helps. Or if you're on CM, use a theme that display battery and signal in a color other than green in the status bar.
My one biggest complaint is really how noticeable pixels are on letters and some images. I was looking at some other phones and I found the screens to look a little more crisp. (Is this attributed to a higher resolution or PPI?)
The next point that bugs me is the body. Yes, it's gorgeous, yes it's light and easy to handle... but it -does- scratch and ding easily.
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I agree that the pixels are visible for some reason on the Nexus. It is not a deal breaker, but it is surprising when you read so many people saying how awesome the screen is. (to answer your question, higher resolution would mean LESS visible pixels.)
And while turning up brightness does help with the tint, my battery reading states that at times the screen is consuming more than 80% of the battery! ouch. Right now it says Display=66%)
And many reviews refer to the tinted LCD - it drives me mad. I am a photographer, and so maybe I am more sensitive to it than some.
I think the body of this thing would be helped hugely if if was the same shape, weight and size, but made of better materials! And the slippery plastic makes it NEED a case according to me, and with a silicon case it is LARGER than an Evo. (same width, but taller... Better build materials would solve the need for the case)
It only bothers me when the screen is on its highest brightness setting and when I'm reading white text on black. Otherwise, I think it displays things pretty nicely. I only notice some pixels around a few images. I bought this on May 14th, 14 days short to exchange it out for an Evo3D. I'm kind of on the fence about it though... On one hand, I think it's a really nice phone (but maybe it's not for me?) On the other, I can't picture myself really needing an Evo3D, but if the display and signal are better... who knows?
(Off topic: If I return or exchange this nexus do I have 30 days with the new phone? I may get a temporary if I decide to do that)
Gmap, yes your 30 days starts over, but they may charge you $35 for "restocking." Though there will probably not be a fee if you exchange it for the same phone.
Thanks dude! I'll have to look around at other phones and compare the screens. Does the 3D screen on the EVO3D compromise the quality at all?
The 3d screen will be more contrasty and higher resolution than the current Evo...and the new phone's shape is more narrow as well.
It's really starting to grow on me. Don't get me wrong, anyone, I think the Nexus is a great phone but maybe not for me.
you can see pixels because the nexus's amoled screen actually has lower resolution compared to the LCD version, AMOLED has a pentile pixel layout, which means it has half the red and blue pixels compared to the lcd one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family#PenTile_RGBG
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you can see pixels because the nexus's amoled screen actually has lower resolution compared to the LCD version, AMOLED has a pentile pixel layout, which means it has half the red and blue pixels compared to the lcd one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family#PenTile_RGBG
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You are correct that the difference is due to AMOLED vs LCD, but the resolution is the same on each, 800x480.
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You are correct that the difference is due to AMOLED vs LCD, but the resolution is the same on each, 800x480.
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Each "pixel" on the Nexus S screen has 2 subpixels: one green and one red or blue. The pattern goes Green Blue Green Red Green Blue Green Red etc
Each "pixel" on an LCD screen has 3 subpixels: one green, one red, one blue. The pattern goes Green Blue Red Green Blue Red etc.
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Each "pixel" on the Nexus S screen has 2 subpixels: one green and one red or blue. The pattern goes Green Blue Green Red Green Blue Green Red etc
Each "pixel" on an LCD screen has 3 subpixels: one green, one red, one blue. The pattern goes Green Blue Red Green Blue Red etc.
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Got it. But, the resolution is still 800x480 on each device. Each device displays 384,000 pixels at a time regardless of "sub-pixel" structure, right?
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Each "pixel" on the Nexus S screen has 2 subpixels: one green and one red or blue. The pattern goes Green Blue Green Red Green Blue Green Red etc
Each "pixel" on an LCD screen has 3 subpixels: one green, one red, one blue. The pattern goes Green Blue Red Green Blue Red etc.
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In addition,
The human eye is most sensitive to green, especially for high resolution luminance information. Thus the RG-BG scheme [AMOLED] creates a color display with one third fewer subpixels than a traditional RGB-RGB scheme [LCD] but with the same perceived display resolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family#PenTile_RGBG
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Got it. But, the resolution is still 800x480 on each device. Each device displays 384,000 pixels at a time regardless of "sub-pixel" structure, right?
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Each pixel on an LCD can display any color.
Each pixel on an AMOLED screen can display either any combination of green\red OR any combination of green\blue.
It's a subtle difference, but it is a difference and it's why the Nexus S screen can look a little weird when you look closely, particularly at complex color patterns, especially when talking grays. On an AMOLED screen, an individual pixel can't be gray.
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Each pixel on an LCD can display any color.
Each pixel on an AMOLED screen can display either any combination of green\red OR any combination of green\blue.
It's a subtle difference, but it is a difference and it's why the Nexus S screen can look a little weird when you look closely, particularly at complex color patterns, especially when talking grays. On an AMOLED screen, an individual pixel can't be gray.
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I definitely notice. My opinion is the vivid colors and amazing contrast make the trade off totally worth it and I prefer the AMOLED.
I was only being "nit-picky" because you used the term resolution. Regardless I learned something here today, so thanks!
Ok well I would like to get peoples feedback and opinions on their screens.
My story. Broke my GNote II instead of paying to replace LCD decided to upgrade with my carrier.
First Note 3 I bought was bright with nice whites and great viewing angles. But it has the dreaded pinkinsh purple screen tint issue in the lower 3rd of the screen more so on the right side. This is subtle and is less evident in brighter conditions or higher screen brightness. At low brightness and in dark environments it is particularly visible on white and grey backgrounds. Went to store to exchange and they refused given they could not see the defect. I came online here searched around and it seems this has been an issue on the GS4 and people have mentioned it on the new Note 3.
Convinced my carrier to send me a replacement and I will return the original to them. Well got the replacement 3-4 days ago. The unit seems quite different. First off the screen is overall a bit more yellow at face on viewing angles and perhaps a hair less bright at similar settings though hard to tell. The bottom is not color shifted puple. The screen color is more homogenous. However the viewing angles are completely different. Here while the brightness stays goo dlike the first when angling the screen, the colors shift to a more aqua color with minor angle variation. (guessing 20-30*) whereas the original unit has virtually no color shift at almost 90*.
I probably have to send back a unit in the coming day or 2 and make a final decision. In theory I could try to ask for a third model, however it was with a lot of difficulty and threats to leave my carrier that they relented in the first replacement. SO I likely will have to stick with one of these or return both and use my somewhat broken note 2 and wait for something else.
I am wondering if any of you out here have similar pink/purple tint issues at one end of your screen. Or if you have issues with significant white color shift when angling your screen more than 30* in either portrait or landscape. Also if good or bad can you check build date on your phone (should be under battery). FInally did you or will you replace it? Was replacement better or worse?
Also if in my shoes would you go for the better looking screen with the pink issue or the more consistent looking screen that is a bit more blue yellow.
Thanks!
lots of postings about this, i even made a thread regarding this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786
some people call it nitpicking, but as you can see i'm feeling with you...
TML1504 said:
lots of postings about this, i even made a thread regarding this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786
some people call it nitpicking, but as you can see i'm feeling with you...
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I know you did and I posted some long posts there and the thread kind of died.
I have some specific questions here as well as asking what I should do in my case.
I had a note 2 and remember there being perseus kernel and with STweaks one could shift color etc and make it how you like. I am thinking going with the more uniform color model as I am sure the slight yellow tint can be corrected and the blue tint on viewing angles is no worse than my note 2 looking back so I will get used to it I imagine. That said the first screen really has great screen but the purplish pink right bottom corner bugs me on white and grey screens ( not noticeable on high brightness though) and often reading on websites etc indoors I notice it enough that it bugs me.....
So for anyone who cares here is an update on my plan. The more uniform note 3 is more yellow/green tinted whites compared to the other one that is whiter/redder. That said if I use one of these screen filter style apps that exist in the play store, I can modify the overall screen into however I like.
Downside is that it means a persistently running app to do it with whatever effect on screen longevity and battery.
Now on my Note 2 which is also yellower, I was running perseus kernel and the s tweaks app and was able at the kernel level to modify the color to get better whites. I imagine it is only a matter of time before someone can do that for our note 3. I can handle the viewing angle color shift as the device is in my hand and not on a table when i use it where it might be off angle viewing by a large amount. And even then, the tinting of white has a bluish shift and now worse than a yellowing shift my wifes iphone has off angle or my note 2 did.
Would love tohear from others and what their screens are like and or developers who might have the means of modifying color at kernel level the way Andreilux did on the note 2
I checked almost 10 note 3s bkack n white as well..and found only 1 set.it has no yellow tint and no gray lining.
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I checked almost 10 note 3s bkack n white as well..and found only 1 set.it has no yellow tint and no gray lining.
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You checked 13 notes and 12 of them were either yellow tint or what gray lining issue?
How did you manage to check so many.
Can you check the following. Look at the phone screen face on the tilt either up down or side to side about 30 degrees and tell me if the white on the screen turns bluish.
One of my phones does this and has the yellower whites. The other does not and has better whites but has some purplish discoloration in the lower right part of the phone.
Any one here try a new kernel from the android development sections?
Some of them talk about being able to modify screen color. Am wondering if this can be a fix for my issues.
I'm about done with AMOLED panels and I'm about done with the S7 because of it. Ever since phones went quad HD (Turbo, S6, Nexus 6, Turbo 2, Note 5, 6P, S7, etc), this has been a problem, and unfortunately it still seems to exist on the S7. This is my second one - the first one had it in a different area on the screen and it was even worse. It's the pink fade on light or white backgrounds. Once you see it you can't unsee it. I'm sure some will come in here and say they can't see it. I noticed it looks all white at the right angle so if you're not seeing it, you might move your screen a bit. Also, the first image (the horizontal one) shows it the most b/c it has the subtle camera lines which make the fade even more obvious. Not sure if there's a point to this except to vent a bit and, I guess, see if anybody else has had this issue on theirs. Given that the screen is supposed to be one of the main selling points of this device, it's hard to keep it when I see the fade every time a lighter background comes up...
Honestly, I don't really see one benefit to having an AMOLED panel any more - even the highest quality ones eventually deal with burn-in, the battery life is not any better, and they have inconsistencies which are apparently just par for the course. #frustrated
Hmm my S7 doesn't have this effect at all angles and I don't think this is something with AMOLED displays. I think it's the new gorilla glass and the refractive properties of it. At some angles it looks blue and others pink but looking straight at the phone I don't see any weird hue just perfect white. The colours on the S7 display are the best for an AMOLED screen so far and I can say that since I work in a paint store and colour matching is my life.
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Hmm my S7 doesn't have this effect at all angles and I don't think this is something with AMOLED displays. I think it's the new gorilla glass and the refractive properties of it. At some angles it looks blue and others pink but looking straight at the phone I don't see any weird hue just perfect white. The colours on the S7 display are the best for an AMOLED screen so far and I can say that since I work in a paint store and colour matching is my life.
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I know what you're referring to with the refractive properties on Gorilla Glass 4 and this definitely isn't that. I'm even able to see the inconsistencies on darker backgrounds as well. I've uploaded two more photos, attached to this post. That's a solid dark grayish/blue background.
Pick your poison. With AMOLED you're going to get higher brightness, contrast and color saturation, but it will shift colors on whites with various viewing angles. With LCD you'll get colors that are less saturated but more stable and no true blacks (thus worse contrast), and it's brightness, contrast and saturation will all degrade at higher viewing angles.
Source: gizmag.com
AMOLED screens are also thinner and consume less energy.
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Pick your poison. With AMOLED you're going to get higher brightness, contrast and color saturation, but it will shift colors on whites with various viewing angles. With LCD you'll get colors that are less saturated but more stable and no true blacks (thus worse contrast), and it's brightness, contrast and saturation will all degrade at higher viewing angles.
AMOLED screens are also thinner and consume less energy.
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I know, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Though I don't think we're talking about just color shifting at various viewing angles. This fade (and prior fades) appears to be "burned" in to the screen itself, and while differing angles help a bit, it doesn't change the problem.
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I know, and I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Though I don't think we're talking about just color shifting at various viewing angles. This fade (and prior fades) appears to be "burned" in to the screen itself, and while differing angles help a bit, it doesn't change the problem.
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And it looks even worse when you compare it with your friend's perfectly white iPhone screen..
But the better sunlight legibility and perfect blacks appear as a fair trade in for me..
Fullmetal Jun said:
And it looks even worse when you compare it with your friend's perfectly white iPhone screen..
But the better sunlight legibility and perfect blacks appear as a fair trade in for me..
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I don't know - obviously that's subjective, but even my iPhone 5S is still just as readable in sunlight, and having inconsistencies in the screen appearance on a $700 device, to me anyway, is hard to justify for the sake of pure blacks.
Many will disagree, but this is why I still think the iPhone 6 Plus has the best display. I own an S7 Edge and while my screen colors are even with no pink tint, the entire display does have a bit of a green tint to the whites and I can occasionally make out horizontal lines where the brightness isn't perfectly even on grays and whites, especially noticeable when scrolling. My S7 Edge is about as good as I've seen any QHD AMOLED display, certainly much better than any of the S6s I owned, but it's still not perfect, and I would still prefer the display from the iPhone 6 Plus. To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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Many will disagree, but this is why I still think the iPhone 6 Plus has the best display. I own an S7 Edge and while my screen colors are even with no pink tint, the entire display does have a bit of a green tint to the whites and I can occasionally make out horizontal lines where the brightness isn't perfectly even on grays and whites, especially noticeable when scrolling. My S7 Edge is about as good as I've seen any QHD AMOLED display, certainly much better than any of the S6s I owned, but it's still not perfect, and I would still prefer the display from the iPhone 6 Plus. To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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One thing I would like to point out that you are completely missing is the contrast, not only black-white but the colour contrast! This is another area where S7 screen is clearly superior than 6s plus or any other mobile lcd. You can verify that by viewing a colorful wallpaper side by side on both the screens. Another thing is colour accuracy and colour gamut in which S7 screen again comes on top.
Both types of screens obviously have their pros and cons but SAMOLED screens arguably do have more pros over lcds than cons imho!
gtg465x said:
To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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Master gtg! Thanks for the goodies of the Infuse 4G..
gtg465x said:
To me, good, even, uniform whites are more important than perfect blacks because most of the things I do on my phone involve white backgrounds (web pages especially).
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Agree 100%. And at least the blacks on LCD's are consistent. They might not be "pure", but they are consistent unlike the whites in AMOLED.
Dpk1 said:
One thing I would like to point out that you are completely missing is the contrast, not only black-white but the colour contrast! This is another area where S7 screen is clearly superior than 6s plus or any other mobile lcd. You can verify that by viewing a colorful wallpaper side by side on both the screens. Another thing is colour accuracy and colour gamut in which S7 screen again comes on top.
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You call it superior, I call it over-saturated (), even still on the latest and greatest. Don't get me wrong, they look nice and my eyes get used to it after awhile, but no matter what I do the S7's screen (and S6's, and Turbo's, etc.) feels "cartoonish" to me when navigating through the UI. Every time I go back to LCD from AMOLED my eyes feel a small sense of relief - almost like the contrast was too much. I know that's not the norm, so fortunately we have choices. But I love everything about the S7 except, ironically, its screen because of these inconsistencies. I simply shouldn't be seeing a fade from white to pinkish grey on an all-white background on a 2016 flagship.
Lol.. it would be a shame then if apple goes with amoled displays in future ?! Anyway you seem very clear about your preference of the display type so I'm not going to contest that, but I would say that lcd displays are not free from fault like amoleds and they do have issues like backlight bleeding, abnormal tints, non-uniformity issues, dead / stuck pixels etc.
BTW, I'm not here to preach about amoled or lcds, it's only my own experience with both the display types in the past. My experiences might vary from yours but I've always had them better with samoled screens than lcds.
I just bought a s7 flat 2 weeks ago and its my first AMOLED phone., i dont have any kind of color uniformity but i can see the strong blue tint in white when i look at the screen from an angle, and its really distracting me too much. I dont know if i go to warranty and they can fix it.
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I just bought a s7 flat 2 weeks ago and its my first AMOLED phone., i dont have any kind of color uniformity but i can see the strong blue tint in white when i look at the screen from an angle, and its really distracting me too much. I dont know if i go to warranty and they can fix it.
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No, as that is the nature of the technology. When viewed at an angle, LCDs maintain color uniformity but lose saturation, brightness and contrast. AMOLEDs shift to blue green but maintain saturation, brightness and contrast. Refer to my post above (#4) and check out the picture.
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No, as that is the nature of the technology. When viewed at an angle, LCDs maintain color uniformity but lose saturation, brightness and contrast. AMOLEDs shift to blue green but maintain saturation, brightness and contrast. Refer to my post above (#4) and check out the picture.
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I see it, and i aggree with you but, color shift is more disturbing then losing brightness. Its not affecting when using phone most times but whenever i use my phone with one hand and try to open notifications, blue tint is appearing and i really hate it. Actually iam in love with blacks of amoled screen, but this thing is driving me crazy. Maybe i am just too sensitive this color changes.
And btw, my father have a Galaxy A3, and it has exactly same blue tint on his phone too. I Think samsung should something to fix it for next Galaxy S. Its really annoying.
OFFlee said:
And btw, my father have a Galaxy A3, and it has exactly same blue tint on his phone too. I Think samsung should something to fix it for next Galaxy S. Its really annoying.
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It has to do with the varying luminescence and longevity of the various colored pixels. AMOLEDs have been like that since the beginning and it won't be fixed by the next generation of devices. Once you get in the habit of keeping the phone perpendicular to your eyes, it's not so bothersome. Then you go back to an LCD and see that it looks so flat and dim and decide it's totally worth it.
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Lol.. it would be a shame then if apple goes with amoled displays in future ��! Anyway you seem very clear about your preference of the display type so I'm not going to contest that, but I would say that lcd displays are not free from fault like amoleds and they do have issues like backlight bleeding, abnormal tints, non-uniformity issues, dead / stuck pixels etc.
BTW, I'm not here to preach about amoled or lcds, it's only my own experience with both the display types in the past. My experiences might vary from yours but I've always had them better with samoled screens than lcds.
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Sorry, didn't mean to sound so dogmatic. I really don't dislike AMOLEDs, the imperfections just frustrate me on such a high end device. You're exactly right that LCD's can also have flaws, but I see them much less than I see them in AMOLED panels - which is just inherent to the two different types of technology and how well the OEMs implement them. I was able to exchange the one in the photos of this thread for a new one (two guys at the store agreed it was an issue) and while the new one isn't perfect, it's MUCH better to where it's not all I see now.
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Then you go back to an LCD and see that it looks so flat and dim and decide it's totally worth it.
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There is truth in this statement. Despite my overall preference for LCD, when I use AMOLED for a period of time and go back, it's a two-fold reaction... one reaction is slight relief on my eyes, but the other reaction is getting used to the "dullness" - though I find I get used to that much faster than I get used to the high contrast when going from LCD to AMOLED. I would imagine if I stuck to a phone for more than a few months and that phone was AMOLED, the change back to LCD would be even more difficult.
if you have polarized sunglasses then lcd display is a curse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5snWrD6txI
Disappointed this is still an issue with AMOLED screens, this frustrated me to no end on my Galaxy S2 where the screen would shift yellow from one end to the other. Glad you posted this thread as it's not a widely addressed issue, guess I'm going with HTC 10.
I've never noticed this on any of my AMOLED displays. Nor have I noticed any burn in, and I'm not sure what you mean by "other inconsistencies," but if you mean sample to sample variation that affects LCD panels, too. And if you don't like the high contrast, that's adjustable in Display settings.
What I have noticed is vibrant color and ease of using in daylight that no LCD panel can match. Or even come close to. I guess I'm done with LCDs.