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Official ROM-update thread (9th dec)

Hey, I didnt find any good threads about the new official rom that HTC uploaded the 9th of december.
I see a lot of peope that talk about the sms-issues, improvements of graphics but the only improvements I can see is (look below) and the upgrades there does not seem tempting enough for me to reset all data.
Improved Functions:
1.Flipping back and forth between songs is easier than ever. Whether you are listening to a defined playlist, or letting your phone shuffle your songs for you, your music will play continuously and fluidly.
2.Taking full advantage of the G-Sensor, Opera can switch seamlessly from portrait to landscape mode to allow more flexibility and allow for you to browse your websites however you want.
3.Staying connected to your loved ones is as important to you as it is to us, and we’ve enhanced our voice quality even more in this update. Now updated, we’re delivering crystal clear sound quality, making it even easier to feel close to your loved ones, even when you are on the move.
Before you proceed, please confirm that this software upgrade is a newer version than what is currently installed on your device. If it is the same version and your device is operating normally, there is no need to reinstall the software.
To check what version is installed on your device, click Start > Settings > System tab > Device Information > Version tab, and note the ROM version, CPU, and Radio version.
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Am I missing something?

Yes the entire Leo ROM section of the forum

Did not find any genersl threads tthete

Bonusforum.se said:
Did not find any genersl threads tthete
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[REF]Leo Official ROMs

there is more
I found more of it... sms sending and vieving impoved for example

Comprehensive list of Nexus One and Android suggestions/issues

Hey guys,
so one day I was wondering that we should start a thread on the main issues of the Nexus One and Android. I thought it would be nice if everyone posted an issue or an idea that would be relevant to Google to implement on the next version of Android. I've named some (I am on stock FRF91 btw, so some issues may not affect all users):
Nexus One Specific:
-enable custom trackball and led colors notifications without the need to root (there's an app called Trackball Alert by lilHermit [see http://www.appbrain.com/app/uk.co.lilhermit.android.TrackballAlert ] that does exactly what I mean but you need custom roms to use it)
-720p video recording (already achievable with Cyanogen's mod, but could use Google's help with the drivers and to up the overall quality of the video)
-fix multitouch (I know ClearPad 2000 is not very good at dealing with multitouch but there is room for software/driver optimization)
-improve touchscreen subtle delay after touch (again, maybe a ClearPad 2000 issue, not sure about it)
-trackball wake and unlock for non-rooted users (is it THAT hard to implement?)
General Android:
-enable horizontal homescreen without having to use a dock
-improve kinetic scrolling on the maps app (not really an android issue, it's app-specific)
-isolate images and video files of apps from the gallery app (it is really annoying to see completely unrelated pics from apps in the middle of the pics you've taken with ur camera or copied from ur pc)
-remove the ****ty compression from the pictures on the gallery, contact pictures and album covers
-make the gallery 24 bit colors again (it was 24 bit on 2.1, but they screwed up on froyo [even on FRF91])
-improve the music player (much needed)
-add swipe left and right gestures to switch between emails, songs (just like in the stock news app)
-smoother transition between homescreens and smoother launcher (improve overall FPS rate on the system)
-better live wallpaper performance (using LWP generally slows the system down)
-tabbed browsing (like Dolphin Browser), better history and bookmark handling (bookmarks synchronazation with firefox, chrome, safari and maybe even ****ty ie)
-both the gmail and the email apps need an overhaul, 1st: it is SLOW. It takes AGES to open an email with images even on a fast wifi connection. 2nd. threaded view. C'mon one of the great things about gmail are threaded emails but you cant take advantage of it on your android phone? 3rd. UI overhaul.
-itunes-like, offline backup, firmware updating, music, photos and video syncing (ok, I know I'm prolly getting flamed for this one, but I honestly believe that even with all the efforts from Google to make everything clound-based, I still see the necessity of having an offline organization tool)
-custom account sync time (set a schedule for auto syncing contacts, agenda, etc...)
-enable online browsing and managing of apps, music, photos, contacts, call log... all in a single website, like Microsoft wants to implement on Windows Phone Series 7 (see http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/windows-phone-live-to-offer-remote-wipe-location-and-sync-for/ )
-Keyboard and Languages:
-tweaks on the keyboard including multitouch support (like the Droid X)
-make the keyboard not take the whole screen (eg. you can see the actual app you're using while typing instead of seeing only the text box - really needed for chatting apps)
-portuguese dictonary (I'm from Brazil, but I mean adding more languages to Android's dictionary) [the OS is already available in portuguese]
-more voice commands (like the iphone) with support for more languages
-Marketplace:
-better looking games and apps (this issue goes much deeper then just the UI)
-isolate the CRAPPS (soundboards, sexy japanese girl wallpapers, 50 cent ringtones, etc) in a different category
-create an approval process (completely debatable, but if it's ever created, it should not ressemble apple's flawed approval process and should not run away from Google's open philosophy)
-improve developer finantial gains with their apps (see: http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/07/05/report-over-half-of-all-android-apps-are-free/ ; http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...gaming-on-android-and-how-openfeint-may-help/ ; http://www.androidcentral.com/can-developers-make-money-android-market-mobilebeat-2010 ; http://nanocr.eu/2010/06/27/googles-mismanagement-of-the-android-market/ )
-find a way of reducing pirated and stolen apps (for example, blocking backing up paid apps: today, users can simply buy an app from the market, back it up using astro or some other tool, then they uninstall it to get a refund then they'll install the backed up app and keep both the money and the app)
-better organisation of cateories and better browsing and searching (search suggestions)
-GODDAMN GOOGLE MAKE THE MARKETPLACE PAID APPS AVAILABLE IN MORE COUNTRIES
-The comment below was copied from Android Central, originally posted by credo on Tue, 07/13/2010 - 12:08, as I thought he had some great insights on the market from a developer's point of view (see: http://www.androidcentral.com/can-developers-make-money-android-market-mobilebeat-2010#comment-47392)
" 1) Being able to purchase an app off the web. The big reason I have for this is marketing -- currently there's no good place for me to link a banner ad or other promotion to. This means the user has to manually search for my app in the marketplace to buy it, or scan a QR code. Not exactly impulse-purchase friendly. This is being taken care of with 2.2, but it won't be something I can rely on for a long time after that (the vast majority of the phones would need to be on 2.2).
2) Better descriptions in the listings. Not even much longer necessarily, but a dedicated changelog space (for example) would be fantastic, especially if it maintained history. Dedicated space to link to a video, or a free/paid version, etc could help a lot.
3) Tagging for the listings ("aquarium", "live wallpaper", "fish", "etc"). Currently, not only am I limited to 325 characters (about 30 of which have to go to my current changelog entry) but that couple of sentences I DO have had better include as many relevant search terms as I can manage! A place to enter a dozen or so tags would go miles to making the description space good for actual description. Come up with a big list of standardized tags and put them in a drop-down to help keep it organized.
4) The ability to respond to comments. I mean really, if I'm the developer let me post comments/replies freely. I'm thinking the eBay feedback mechanism here. It's agonizing to see somebody post a blatantly wrong negative comment and there's nothing meaningful I can do about it.
Personally, I've been doing okay with the market overall, but that's because I've focused on something of a niche with some definite consumer appeal (I've made several live wallpapers, like Silhouette, Galactic Core, City at Night, Aquarium Live Wallpaper, etc. Check here if you're interested.). It IS hard to find things on the market and with only the 325 character description to convey ALL your information, it's hard to explain all your features even when the customer does find your item."
That's it guys, hope you like the idea. Waiting for users input.
EDIT: Mods, please feel free to move this post if deemed necessary. I was not quite sure about where I should post it.

Wow. I like the ideas but to this point Google hasn't exactly been interested in acting upon any request, no matter how obvious, necessary or simple, and that's an ass load of requests. But sure I agree 720p recording and all the rest would be great.

wholeheartedly agree with you on every point...
Google is a few major DUH points from having a relatively perfect OS...some things just make zero sense whatsoever...like not having a simple add button and a check box contact list to send a text to more than one person in the stock app...1.0, 1.1, 1.5, 1.6, 2.0, 2.0.1, 2.1, 2.2 and still this simple feature has not been implemented.
also the music player is ridiculous...seriously...like for real...wtf?

Hey so you're Kittehface.
Good list.
Please add:
-GODDAMN GOOGLE MAKE GOOGLE VOICE/GOOGLE NAVIGATION AVAILABLE IN MORE COUNTRIES.
Granted more countries are having navigation but most Asian countries are still left in the dark.

Launcher pro transitions is so much smoother between home screens, it must be hitting 60 fps easily. Google could easily fix their stock launcher to match it

fiuza91 said:
-both the gmail and the email apps need an overhaul, 1st: it is SLOW. It takes AGES to open an email with images even on a fast wifi connection. 2nd. threaded view. C'mon one of the great things about gmail are threaded emails but you cant take advantage of it on your android phone?
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No threaded view? Uh, what?

fiuza91 said:
-fix multitouch (I know ClearPad 2000 is not very good at dealing with multitouch but there is room for software/driver optimization)
What exactly is wrong with it. i havent had any issues, but other people seem to
-improve touchscreen subtle delay after touch (again, maybe a ClearPad 2000 issue, not sure about it)
same as above
-trackball wake and unlock for non-rooted users (is it THAT hard to implement?)
this is more of a feature. the trackball is pressed easier than the power button, meaning the screen can be turned on by accident and use more battery
General Android:
-isolate images and video files of apps from the gallery app (it is really annoying to see completely unrelated pics from apps in the middle of the pics you've taken with ur camera or copied from ur pc)
This is the fault of the app developer. They need to a) use googles API for external storage and b) they need to put a .nomedia file so it doesnt show up in in gallery or music player
-better live wallpaper performance (using LWP generally slows the system down)
i personally havent had an issue with this either
-tabbed browsing (like Dolphin Browser), better history and bookmark handling
i personally dont think tabbed browsing is that great on mobile devices. i would like a dedicated button to show open windows next to the bookmark button though
-both the gmail and the email apps need an overhaul, \ 2nd. threaded view. C'mon one of the great things about gmail are threaded emails but you cant take advantage of it on your android phone?
AFAIK threaded emails have been there since atleast 1.5. I have it on FRF91 for sure
-enable online browsing and managing of apps, music, photos, contacts, call log... all in a single website, like Microsoft wants to implement on Windows Phone Series 7 (see http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/windows-phone-live-to-offer-remote-wipe-location-and-sync-for/ )
This is coming with gingerbread
-Keyboard and Languages:
-make the keyboard not take the whole screen (eg. you can see the actual app you're using while typing instead of seeing only the text box - really needed for chatting apps)
froyo has this in browser, i think other apps have to be updated for this not sure
-more voice commands (like the iphone) with support for more languages
there are a lot of voice commands that work fine with the voice dialer (but they still require manual confirmation)
-Marketplace:
-better looking games and apps (this issue goes much deeper then just the UI)
lol if its about looks then its about UI. Android has already added opengl libraries. devs just need to use them now
-create an approval process (completely debatable, but if it's ever created, it should not ressemble apple's flawed approval process and should not run away from Google's open philosophy)
cant be open AND have an approval process
-improve developer finantial gains with their apps (see: http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/07/05/report-over-half-of-all-android-apps-are-free/ ; http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...gaming-on-android-and-how-openfeint-may-help/ ; http://www.androidcentral.com/can-developers-make-money-android-market-mobilebeat-2010 ; http://nanocr.eu/2010/06/27/googles-mismanagement-of-the-android-market/ )
Just because they are free doesnt mean that there is no incentive to have paid apps on market, people will buy better products. i do agree that they could be better paid for ads though
-find a way of reducing pirated and stolen apps (for example, blocking backing up paid apps: today, users can simply buy an app from the market, back it up using astro or some other tool, then they uninstall it to get a refund then they'll install the backed up app and keep both the money and the app)
This is already implemented......
-The comment below was copied from Android Central, originally posted by credo on Tue, 07/13/2010 - 12:08, as I thought he had some great insights on the market from a developer's point of view (see: http://www.androidcentral.com/can-developers-make-money-android-market-mobilebeat-2010#comment-47392)
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2) Better descriptions in the listings. Not even much longer necessarily, but a dedicated changelog space (for example) would be fantastic, especially if it maintained history. Dedicated space to link to a video, or a free/paid version, etc could help a lot.
dedicated changelog space is provided in the version area of the market. most devs dont know how to use it though =/
4) The ability to respond to comments. I mean really, if I'm the developer let me post comments/replies freely. I'm thinking the eBay feedback mechanism here. It's agonizing to see somebody post a blatantly wrong negative comment and there's nothing meaningful I can do about it.
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agree with most of the points though

trackball wake and unlock for non-rooted users (is it THAT hard to implement?)
this is more of a feature. the trackball is pressed easier than the power button, meaning the screen can be turned on by accident and use more battery
- True, but we should be one to decide that right? At least give us the choice.

fiuza91 said:
-horizontal homescreen (you can have it with custom launchers, but would be nice to see Google implementing it with some cool transitions)
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Horizontal homescreen is already in stock standard android 2.2. Without any custom launcher. It is just that you need to dock the N1 in the car dock, before it will activate. Point is - it is there - issue is that you cannot activate it outside the car dock.

4) You CAN post comments on your own application and you have been able to on every version of android. It's a bit messy but it works:
Firstly, log in to your google account on your phone and try to purchase your own application. It should say something about it failing. Then, close and re-open the market, navigate to your app and, hey-presto, you can comment

I noticed that most of your points are not "issues" but "suggestions for improvement".
If so please change the post title.

Paul22000 said:
No threaded view? Uh, what?
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There's threaded view on the Gmail app, but not on th email app. I know threaded view is something from Gmail but it would be nice if implemented on the email app (I don't know if requires any server-based modification so I don't know if it's possible)
logger said:
Horizontal homescreen is already in stock standard android 2.2. Without any custom launcher. It is just that you need to dock the N1 in the car dock, before it will activate. Point is - it is there - issue is that you cannot activate it outside the car dock.
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You're right. Edited my post.
Meltus said:
4) You CAN post comments on your own application and you have been able to on every version of android. It's a bit messy but it works:
Firstly, log in to your google account on your phone and try to purchase your own application. It should say something about it failing. Then, close and re-open the market, navigate to your app and, hey-presto, you can comment
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Don't you think there should be a way of doing it "natively"? I'm sure it would help devs out a lot.
britoso said:
I noticed that most of your points are not "issues" but "suggestions for improvement".
If so please change the post title.
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You're right. Call me an idiot but I can't see any way of changing the thread title. And, "suggestions for improvement" suggest there's something not quite right about whatever, so it is an issue nonetheless.

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You're right. Call me an idiot but I can't see any way of changing the thread title.
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Click Edit, then change the title.
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In any case, the only issues I see with the Nexus One are the touch screen is terrible (have to turn off/on to recalibrate lower right corner of screen; multi-touch axes snap together) and the four soft buttons are not aligned correctly with their respective labels.
Other than those two, the Nexus One is downright amazing in my eyes. Everything else is software, which can and will be fixed over time, either by Google or by developers like Cyanogen. ie Nexus One first to receive 2.2, probably the first to receive Gingerbread etc.
Aside from the touch screen being subpar, almost everything else you mentioned is more of a suggestion rather than an issue, as britoso mentioned.

I'm not sure if they can even fix the screen issues with the nexus one. Because I don't really see anything wrong with the phone except for the horrible touchscreen.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

Mokurex said:
trackball wake and unlock for non-rooted users (is it THAT hard to implement?)
this is more of a feature. the trackball is pressed easier than the power button, meaning the screen can be turned on by accident and use more battery
- True, but we should be one to decide that right? At least give us the choice.
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lol if we had a choice for every little setting in android, then we would be flooded with the amount of settings available in the ROM. people are already complaining about how you have to have a "PhD in Computer Science" (i call BS. I only have a bachelors in SE ) to use android...adding more options will make people think WTF
most people want someone else to take care of everything for them and give them a product that "just works" (i hate you steve jobs)

Paul22000 said:
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I had already clicked edit, but I can't change the title.
By the way, thanks for the input everyone! This is part of what makes a community like XDA great.

fiuza91 said:
I had already clicked edit, but I can't change the title.
By the way, thanks for the input everyone! This is part of what makes a community like XDA great.
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make sure you not hittin quick edit lol. it should be under title

flybyme said:
make sure you not hittin quick edit lol. it should be under title
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Found it. I had to click "edit post" twice actually. I know that me not being able to change a simple title sounded noob, but I was just blind or something lol

logger said:
Horizontal homescreen is already in stock standard android 2.2. Without any custom launcher. It is just that you need to dock the N1 in the car dock, before it will activate. Point is - it is there - issue is that you cannot activate it outside the car dock.
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Can someone write application to emulate that the phone is in car dock without physically being in the dock?, this will enable the horizontal stock features

Venue Pro issue tracker

EDIT: Feb 14 / 2012 - Wow. It has been a while. I pre-ordered one of the original DVPs, went on the roller-coaster ride of trying to get it SIM unlocked, returned it to Dell and took the 15% restocking hit, then watched in agony as a simple "just email Dell" free unlocking solution came available about a month later. I've had a second-hand HD2 through most of 2011, running various builds of WP7 and Android, until the digitizer bit the dust. Just snapped up a DVP on eBay - I'm back baby! Time to update this thread.
Whether you're a DVP owner, future owner or still on the fence about a purchase, it might be useful to have a single thread listing the known issues with this model (and any discovered fixes, workarounds, etc.). I'll try to keep this up-to-date based on comments below. Have I missed anything?
Compass driver broken by Mango update
Much-discussed; interop unlock or custom firmware would allow a fix (i.e. flashing an unsigned cab could potentially put the old driver back)
No HSPA or roaming triangle indicators
Diagnosis: software issue... can't get an "H" or triangle symbol to appear in the relevant contexts.
Apparently this is only an issue on TMO-US branded units, and it is entirely cosmetic. Interop unlock would allow us to make the necessary registry edits to bring back the HSPA indicator.
Camera: slow shutter speed = blurry indoor shots
Partially improved in successive firmware updates
Flaky reception
Somewhat improved, according to user reports.
Cell radio: drops connections when switching from 2G to 3G
Fixed by Dell in new units.
WiFi: some devices can't connect to secure networks
Fixed by Dell in new units.
SIM: error
Fixed by Dell in new units.
Windows Phone 7 general issues
No copy & paste
Fixed in NoDo
Email: forwarding from non-Exchange account uses .eml attachment instead of inline text
Fixed
Camera: issues with retaining settings
Fixed

Headphone jack: curved, bad connection?
I don't think the headphone Jack poor connection is explicitly caused by the curved jack. Checking out my friends HTC desire, I noticed that it too has a curved jack that doesn't completely cover the headphone plug.

jcoob said:
Headphone jack: curved, bad connection?
I don't think the headphone Jack poor connection is explicitly caused by the curved jack. Checking out my friends HTC desire, I noticed that it too has a curved jack that doesn't completely cover the headphone plug.
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Thanks. I'm partly basing this on a youtube video from a DVP owner who demonstrates how the earphone jack won't plug all the way in, because of the curved design.
Can any actual DVP owners comment on this? Is the problem widespread?

RE: SIM locking of Dell Venue Pro
Note: the following threads discuss DVP-US frequencies, possible SIM-locking to T-mobile (even for off-contract, paid-in-full devices), etc.:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858181
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857572
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838105&page=51

Awesome thread, love the idea & I haven't really heard much of the issues listed here but its great that you put it out there.
Hopefully many get fixed in the upcoming update in January or even the new devices.
Many don't seem to apply to me like the camera since I rarely ever use the camera but the 2G to 3G one is pretty big.

The camera was bad in the first phone I received (Engineering Sample) but in the next phone the Cam was alright. This unit didn't have that slow shutter problem
The images were comparable to HD7.

benjaminries said:
Whether you're a DVP owner, future owner or still on the fence about a purchase, it might be useful to have a single thread listing the known issues with this model (and any discovered fixes, workarounds, etc.). I'll try to keep this up-to-date based on comments below. Have I missed anything?
Camera: slow shutter speed = blurry indoor shots
Reported here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=841391
Diagnosis: since the camera EXIF reports that it is the same hardware as the iPhone 4, hopefully this can be fixed via software patch
Solution: might have been fixed in updated device ROM? (thanks eyan15 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9552249&postcount=6 - can somebody confirm?)
Camera: issues with retaining settings
Reported here: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b.../19/where-we-are-with-the-dell-venue-pro.aspx
Diagnosis: software bug
Solution: unknown
Cell radio: drops connections when switching from 2G to 3G
Reported here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=839051
Diagnosis: radio firmware issue?
Solution: unknown
Headphone jack: curved, bad connection?
Reported here: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b.../19/where-we-are-with-the-dell-venue-pro.aspx
Diagnosis: hardware design flaw?
Solution: unknown
WiFi: some devices can't connect to secure networks
Widely reported
Diagnosis: firmware bug
Solution: these units can be exchanged at their source
SIM: error
Reported here: http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/11/23/dell.venue.pro.sim.card.flaw.among.many.issues/
Diagnosis: firmware bug or hardware issue
Solution: these units can be exchanged at their source
Windows Phone 7 general issues
No copy & paste
Widely reported
Diagnosis: missing feature
Solution: OS update in January 2011 will add clipboard functionality
Email: forwarding from non-Exchange account uses .eml attachment instead of inline text
Reported here: http://wpcentral.com/windows-phone-7-email-bug-discovered-when-forwarding-non-exchange-accounts
Diagnosis: software bug
Solution: unknown
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Might want to add these to the Windows phone 7 list:
1) No real multi-tasking support to speak of in phone 7, even the "back" button doesn't bring you back to an active program in most cases, but the program has to re-initialize.
2) No support for mobile hotspot function in phone 7
3) No true "live tile" support for 3rd party apps (like twitter etc...); more like dead tiles.
I am concerned that the speed of WP7 is dependent on only having 1 app running and therefore MS doesn't want multi-tasking.

sureloch said:
Might want to add these to the Windows phone 7 list:
1) No real multi-tasking support to speak of in phone 7, even the "back" button doesn't bring you back to an active program in most cases, but the program has to re-initialize.
2) No support for mobile hotspot function in phone 7
3) No true "live tile" support for 3rd party apps (like twitter etc...); more like dead tiles.
I am concerned that the speed of WP7 is dependent on only having 1 app running and therefore MS doesn't want multi-tasking.
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This stuff crosses over into general criticisms of the OS. I'm trying to restrict bugs to things that were obviously overlooked or have been announced as upcoming fixes - not new features or disagreements over design.

This is an Windows Phone 7 bug, all devices suffer from this. So while this is an issue nonetheless, you should not decide not to get the Dell Venue Pro based on this 'bug' alone. If you want a Windows Phone 7 device, you will have this problem, hopefully Microsoft will fix it in the next update.
Camera: issues with retaining settings
Reported here: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-bl...venue-pro.aspx
Diagnosis: software bug
Solution: unknown
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KilZone said:
This is an Windows Phone 7 bug, all devices suffer from this. So while this is an issue nonetheless, you should not decide not to get the Dell Venue Pro based on this 'bug' alone. If you want a Windows Phone 7 device, you will have this problem, hopefully Microsoft will fix it in the next update.
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Thanks for the correction; I was under the impression that each OEM made their own customized Camera app. Curious if they all suffer from the same problem - hopefully that means it will be fixed in the January update.

eyan15 said:
The camera was bad in the first phone I received (Engineering Sample) but in the next phone the Cam was alright. This unit didn't have that slow shutter problem
The images were comparable to HD7.
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This is the only thing preventing me from ordering this phone. Can anyone else confirm this issue has in fact been resolved?

seatown1two said:
This is the only thing preventing me from ordering this phone. Can anyone else confirm this issue has in fact been resolved?
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We might not get this confirmed until late December - as far as I can tell by the forums, many of the early birds who got their DVPs from the Microsoft Stores are still waiting on replacement units. Hopefully one or two other people who have already got a good replacement can chime in here, but I fear we won't know the status of these issues until the big wave of online orders start shipping out.
Call me crazy, but I think that if this is a simple software issue, Dell will fix it. In the alternative maybe we'll see some homebrew camera apps next year that we can sideload

sureloch said:
Might want to add these to the Windows phone 7 list:
1) No real multi-tasking support to speak of in phone 7, even the "back" button doesn't bring you back to an active program in most cases, but the program has to re-initialize.
2) No support for mobile hotspot function in phone 7
3) No true "live tile" support for 3rd party apps (like twitter etc...); more like dead tiles.
I am concerned that the speed of WP7 is dependent on only having 1 app running and therefore MS doesn't want multi-tasking.
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1. That is the fault of the developers of the apps. The OS supports save states so when you go back it resumes where you left off. You can see this in OEM apps like IE, but the 3rd party browsers don't do this.
2. Not sure if that is in the works
3. Since when? Weatherbug, weather channel, flixter, beez twit app all support live tiles.

nrfitchett4 said:
1. That is the fault of the developers of the apps. The OS supports save states so when you go back it resumes where you left off. You can see this in OEM apps like IE, but the 3rd party browsers don't do this.
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This is an interesting one. I agree with you that a lot of this is developer-related, but I think Microsoft will still end up making some adjustments to multitasking next year. Remember that the internal system apps (like IE) are permitted to do true background multitasking by the OS, while 3rd-party apps aren't.
I have read that the save state thing is kind of tricky because apps often don't get a warning that they are about to be put to sleep - the OS just responds instantly when you hit "back" or "home". So the only apps that can take advantage of this feature are the ones that are saving their state all the time - which is only practical for some app designs. A 3rd-party music or video app might make a record of whatever song or video you're watching, but must it save the elapsed track time every second? Every 10 seconds? Whatever granularity is chosen will be the state you can return to after the app loses focus.
MS needs to allow true background multitasking/threading in a few limited situations:
- the app loses focus, receives a "save your current state" message from the OS, and is allowed to save its state in the background
- the app sends a tiny bit of data to the cloud every 5 minutes (i.e. Google Latitude) - MS could maybe impose a "maximum lines of code" on this upload function?
- the app does a tiny bit of processing with the push data it gets from the cloud, without necessarily getting user interaction
I believe allowing these three types of multitasking would really open up possibilities for developers.

What you say is not entirely true. Applications do receive a warning when the system is going to navigate away from the application, just the way like you suggest it as the first option. However in practice it is a little more complicated than that.
There are 4 events in Windows Phone 7, Launch/Close and Activated/Deactivated. The first two are just the startup and closing of the two while the latter is the tombstoning warning and retrieval event. So when your application receives it's 'deactivated' message, it is allowed to do some final saving of it's state (there is a time limit, but it's rather flexible). Windows Phone will navigate away even though the save state hasn't been completed yet, so that part of 'multi-tasking' is implemented.
The problem you all mention comes from the fact that 'home' and 'back' are not the same for 3rd-party applications (and even some internal ones). Back is generally seen as 'back one page' and 'home' as 'go to the start screen'. However if you are 1 page away from the home screen, the 'back' button will act as 'close' button... So it will sent a 'close' event to the application, rather than the 'deactivated' event (and not allowing the application to tombstone itself). This way, the next time you boot the application it will restart as it will receive the 'launch' event and not the 'activated' one. Easiest 'solution' is to use the 'home' button instead, however this will mess up your 'back'-botton behaviour a little.
benjaminries said:
[...]I have read that the save state thing is kind of tricky because apps often don't get a warning that they are about to be put to sleep - the OS just responds instantly when you hit "back" or "home". [...]
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Basically I think Microsoft needs to 'fix' the 'back'-button acting as 'close'-button, as no-one thinks it will act this way.

KilZone said:
What you say is not entirely true.
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LOL, it sounds like I was pretty darn close for a lay-person. I don't have a WP7 device yet, but tell me, how often to do you navigate away from an app OTHER than by going to the homescreen? The only other way I can imagine is by accepting some kind of toast push notification, pressing the Search button or the Camera button.
The bottom line is that MS intended to do this better - but as you have said, apps are often losing focus in a way that doesn't even allow the app to save its state, even if it has been designed to do so. Apps should be given a chance to save their state whether they're being minimized or closed, so they can return to the last state whether they're being woken up or started fresh.

You were quite close indeed and you're right that this is quite an irritating bug (Microsoft might say it's a feature, but let's keep it at a bug for now). Mostly because as a Windows Phone user you have no idea when an application 'closes' or 'tombstones'...
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LOL, it sounds like I was pretty darn close for a lay-person. [...] The bottom line is that MS intended to do this better - but as you have said, apps are often losing focus in a way that doesn't even allow the app to save its state, even if it has been designed to do so.
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Agreed, I think you have a valid point there. It certainly would increase the multi-task-experience (even though it is not true multi-tasking) as all applications would seem as if they were running next to eachother (as was the idea initially). It might be nice if an application could implement 'tombstoning' when it receives the 'close' command, which is not available right now (no access to the tombstoning service).
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Apps should be given a chance to save their state whether they're being minimized or closed, so they can return to the last state whether they're being woken up or started fresh.
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nrfitchett4 said:
1. That is the fault of the developers of the apps. The OS supports save states so when you go back it resumes where you left off. You can see this in OEM apps like IE, but the 3rd party browsers don't do this.
2. Not sure if that is in the works
3. Since when? Weatherbug, weather channel, flixter, beez twit app all support live tiles.
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I hope you are correct as I have ordered thte dvp, but though the suspend/resume multi-tasking sounds like a good idea, it seems extremely weak in practice.
Here is a clip showing the types of behaviors that concern me including the live tile issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNfpPrto07Q&feature=related
WP7 is a very elaborate and beautiful operating system which must require heavy resources to accomplish. Perhaps we will have to wait for dual core devices before we will see WP7 multi-tasking like we would hope. But it seems like the caching and accessing current tasks to preserve resouces could be done more effectively, and would definitely improve the user experience.

KilZone said:
Agreed, I think you have a valid point there. It certainly would increase the multi-task-experience (even though it is not true multi-tasking) as all applications would seem as if they were running next to eachother (as was the idea initially). It might be nice if an application could implement 'tombstoning' when it receives the 'close' command, which is not available right now (no access to the tombstoning service).
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The App Style Guide is clear about the 'right' app behaviour, and I'm sure Microsoft consider it a feature, not a bug. It enforces a set of rules that they just expect users to get used to:
1) Switching away from an app (e.g. hitting search or launch) should leave the app in a state where you can come back to it (and pick up again from where you left off) by pressing the back button.
2) The way to terminate an app is to 'back out' of it. Once you have terminated an app, you can't come back to it.
3) Whenever you launch an app from the menu, it will start from scratch.
Microsoft's own apps follow this pattern.
These rules are intended to give the feeling of 'all apps existing in a stack' (like the stack of navigations you move through when using a web browser). I think that represents a conscious design decision on Microsoft's part ... maybe a bad design decision, but not a bug as such.
By the way, an app can trap and modify the behaviour of the 'back' key. Actually, the developer has to do this, to ensure that the app does the right thing in all cases (for instance, if the app has a popup dialog open, the 'back' key will close the popup dialog, not back out of the app). This does give the app a chance to respond to the 'back out' action, by saving state or by putting up a 'do you really want to quit?' message. But Rule #3 above means that when the app is restarted, it has to look like a new instance of the app, not a continuation of the instance that the user terminated.

Jim Chapman said:
But Rule #3 above means that when the app is restarted, it has to look like a new instance of the app, not a continuation of the instance that the user terminated.
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Interesting. It would be nice if there was at least some subtle little toast or something like "do you want to pick up where you left off?", maybe just for apps that are super-complex, at the developer's discretion.
Whatever MS and developers did, I'm glad that MS appears to recognize that users aren't super happy with the outcome - I believe we'll see a change in the second update of 2011.

Gingerbread changes (vs. Froyo)

hi guys,
since lot of us got update to Gingerbread today, what changes have you noticed?
I'm not really a "power user" and I am bit dissapointed, I expected more estetic changes..
The speed seems same too, am I missing something?
Are you pleased with this, we've been waiting long..?
So, can u put a list of changes or benefits we got with 2.3.3 or what have you noticed new?
ciao

For the Android revision it is:
2.3.4 latest release.[32] Based on Linux kernel 2.6.35[33]. On 6 December 2010, the 2.3 (Gingerbread) SDK was released.[32] Changes included:[33]
Support for voice or video chat using Google Talk[34] Google Blog/video
System: Updated user interface design for simplicity and speed
Display: Support for extra-large screen sizes and resolutions (WXGA and higher)[31]
Internet calling: Native support for SIP VoIP telephony
Virtual Keyboard: Faster, more intuitive text input, improved accuracy, better suggested text. Voice input mode
Copy/Paste: Enhanced. Select a word by press-hold, copy, and paste.
Near Field Communication lets the user read an NFC tag embedded in a poster, sticker, or advertisement.
New audio effects such as reverb, equalization, headphone virtualization, and bass boost
System: Improved power management with a more active role in managing apps that are keeping the device awake for too long.
Download Manager gives the user easy access to any file downloaded from the browser, email, or another application.
Camera: Access multiple cameras on the device, including a front-facing camera, if available.
Media: Support for WebM/VP8 video playback, and AAC audio encoding
System: Enhanced support for native code development
Audio, graphical, and input enhancements for game developers
Concurrent garbage collection for increased performance
Native support for more sensors (such as gyroscopes and barometers)
Switched from YAFFS to the ext4 filesystem[35]
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Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
For the HTC change log I guess we're going to have to wait for a user created one.

HTC updated the Sense to 2.1 (with Power controls in noticification bars)
Camera app is a bit better, not much
besides these, Gingerbread was (in general) more a technical upgrade than adding features for casual users. So the memory (RAM) management and battery management is whole lot better.
You'll notice the battery won't drain that much as on Froyo (although Froyo was also a huge step forward in comparison to 2.1)

Some things I noticed:
1. Quick Settings in the drop-down menu. Really handy, but they should have added a Profile switcher and Brightness adjuster in there as well.
2. App overview now scrolls per page. This is very annoying as you can't scroll quickly any more.
3. Downloads app. Can come in handy I suppose
4. Better overview of battery drainage in the Battery use menu

xp79 said:
For the Android revision it is:
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
For the HTC change log I guess we're going to have to wait for a user created one.
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You've put the changelist of Android 2.3.4.
HTC's Gingerbread update uses Android 2.3.3

The colours are I dont know changed I think XD
The phone can reboot fast (I got to reboot alot since the CPU is getting stuck at 100% a few times a day)
Menu changed
and it runs smoother I think ^^

oh, and what is with writing SMS, the underlined text? i tried to disable that "spell check" or whatever, but didn't help..?
and the sound seems louder (is it couse i washed ears? )?

P.s. i noticed two more things..when sending sms to contact that has more numbers, you see on what number will be sent...nice...BUT!!!! THE NOTIFICATION PROBLEM STILL PERSISTS!!!!!!! Have nothing on screen, i open messages and have two unread msg...damn google / htc...
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

I also noticed that I need to hold the powerbutton a few seconds before it boots (fastboot is enabled)

I like the copy paste options in 2.3

From my impression, gingerbread is much much much more optimised for the mobile compared to froyo. Its very smooth, makes froyo feels sticky/stuttery.

is the tv effect ther while turning off the screen?

nathan57971 said:
is the tv effect ther while turning off the screen?
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I've updated mine desire hd with to 2.3 and when I turn off screen it just goes off. No TV Effect style.
Can this be enabled?

nathan57971 said:
is the tv effect ther while turning off the screen?
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I found it.
TV effect is only on Nexus phones. But on the Desire HD down app from marketplace called "Screen Off" you can have custom off screens and tv screen is one there.

avatar7 said:
I found it.
TV effect is only on Nexus phones. But on the Desire HD down app from marketplace called "Screen Off" you can have custom off screens and tv screen is one there.
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who's the developer of the screen off u referring to?

Noticed few changes. I dont write those mentioned before. I dont like how calculator is changed. I got used to old location of buttons. Calendar widget in my opinion is much more fluent and events load much faster. Changed skin of almost all buttons and bars to look more 3d. Added sound to weather widget. I dont know why there are no folders (like in iphone) in all apps menu which they made even wore because of slow scrolling. When i have over 150 apps its takes a little to find right one.

nounejmic said:
P.s. i noticed two more things..when sending sms to contact that has more numbers, you see on what number will be sent...nice...BUT!!!! THE NOTIFICATION PROBLEM STILL PERSISTS!!!!!!! Have nothing on screen, i open messages and have two unread msg...damn google / htc...
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
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This is biggest problem for me...

nathan57971 said:
who's the developer of the screen off u referring to?
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Screen Off and Lock by Katecca

avatar7 said:
Screen Off and Lock by Katecca
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thanks.. will try it out now

I just noticed that text that i write in sms is underlined with red dots. Why are this dots there and how to remove this feature?
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Flyme 7.2.0.0A Stable Final [ROM]

Release date : January 22 2019
This update is released as promised before chinese newyear in february 5.
[ Chinese Stable firmware 7.2.0.0A FINAL ]
[ CHANGELOG 7.2.0.0A Stable Final ]:cyclops:
Function adjustment
• System
System application is fully optimized to improve performance in key scenarios and smoother operation
Optimize application freeze policy to improve application response, black screen, flashback, etc.
Adjust the function quick call out mode, slide the personal assistant on the right screen of the desktop, swipe out the global search, and use each gesture to reduce the single point operation.
Custom Sogou input method Meizu version, support bucket map, clipboard, slide input and other shortcut functions, chat more exciting
• voice assistant
New interface interaction, new voice suspension effect, providing quick service such as making calls and enquiry routes
Optimized voice wake-up mode, full screen model support power button wake-up, non-full screen model can be awakened by long press the main button
• Intelligent screen
Increase music recognition logic to accurately identify music information while supporting fast playback
Note: The phone has installed the cool music app, you can jump to the client to play
Support to identify the mobile phone number in the picture and speed dial, easy to call without error
Access Baidu translation, support the selection of text for translation and copy the results, accurate and convenient
• phone Guardian
Automatically identify Tencent King card according to mobile phone number, support traffic monitoring, non-streamless application forbidden network, etc., so that traffic is under control
• Driving mode
Optimize interface interaction, call notification support voice playback and control, weaken video invitations and other information notifications to create a more immersive and safer driving environment
• Game mode
Specialized optimization of popular games, King Glory access to Ultra HD version, creating a more immersive and exciting game atmosphere
Automatically locks the screen brightness under the game scene, reducing the stimuli of light changes on the eyes, affecting the game progress
Path: Settings - Accessibility - Game Mode - Lock screen brightness
Access to Xunyou to speed up the fast entry and improve network stability in game mode
Path: Settings - Accessibility - Game Mode - Quick Tour
• Gallery
Expand the image capacity at any time, and support the adjustment of video cover, title and music, etc.
Problem improvement
• Compatibility
Solve the problem of WeChat instant shooting preview interface black screen
Solve the problem that the WeChat avatar application receives a new message without a prompt tone
Fix the phenomenon that the interface of WeChat part is abnormal in night mode
• Gallery
Solve the problem of flashback of the library in some scenarios
Solve the problem of clicking on the thumbnail to view the big picture and loading too long
Immediately after taking a photo, check the photos taken, and the photos show blurry phenomenon.
Fix the return to the gallery folder after setting the wallpaper in the gallery, the folder shows abnormal phenomenon
• System
Solve the problem that the red envelope prompt tone does not match the set prompt tone
Fix the problem that the alarm clock does not ring on the occasional legal working day
Fix the problem with the new notification blank in the notification bar
Fix the use of live wallpapers, some models of full-screen gesture animation will show abnormal phenomena
Fix sharing of Weibo images through smart screen, sharing page display abnormal phenomenon
Release Notes
• Pushing updates via mobile phone is a safe and efficient way to upgrade, and this update will not affect any existing data.
• The update takes about 10 minutes. Please be patient. Do not press the phone button during the update to avoid the update failure.
• The phone will restart automatically during the update. It is normal for the temperature of the whole machine to rise slightly. Do not worry.
• Please note that the actual effect of some changes may vary depending on the random type, system version or network operator.
Get It From Here
https://firmware.meizu.com/Firmware/Flyme/PRO6_Plus/7.2.0.0/cn/20190119042221/738536af/update.zip
Do Not Forget To Press Thanks If You Like It
Regards

Thanks Adam, in your opinion do you still think that the beta version (7.8.7.24 beta) is better than this new stable version?

Lev_Trockij said:
Thanks Adam, in your opinion do you still think that the beta version (7.8.7.24 beta) is better than this new stable version?
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Ofcourse in terms of performance and battery life.Yes.

What are available languages in "A' version of firmware?

kubas33 said:
What are available languages in "A' version of firmware?
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Chinese and English only.

Oreo?
adarshm4you said:
Chinese and English only.
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Excuse me Adam if I ask in this discussion, do you have news about the possibility that one day Oreo comes out for Meizu pro 6 plus?
Or do you already know that it will never come out?

Lev_Trockij said:
Excuse me Adam if I ask in this discussion, do you have news about the possibility that one day Oreo comes out for Meizu pro 6 plus?
Or do you already know that it will never come out?
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It will get Flyme 8 for sure.Don't expect an android update.Chances are like drawing lines on water.

adarshm4you said:
It will get Flyme 8 for sure.Don't expect an android update.Chances are like drawing lines on water.
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I don't know if I understand correctly ... so flyme 8 will not be based on Oreo?

Lev_Trockij said:
I don't know if I understand correctly ... so flyme 8 will not be based on Oreo?
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Not like that.Haha.Android 8 and above is confirmed only for 16 series now. And new 16s will come with flyme 8.So Only new model phones will get android updates not older ones.

Hello Adam,
I have installed this version and I have several issues, hope you can help me:
1. I can't install apps from Google play store while using cellular connection, only with wi-fi. I granted permission to use the data to the play store.
2. All of my purchased apps from Google are not recognized by the app and state that I have to buy the premium version.
3. My contacts in the Google account can't be synced (other info of google is synced)
When I installed this ROM I cleared the data
Thanks

the boss fan said:
Hello Adam,
I have installed this version and I have several issues, hope you can help me:
1. I can't install apps from Google play store while using cellular connection, only with wi-fi. I granted permission to use the data to the play store.
2. All of my purchased apps from Google are not recognized by the app and state that I have to buy the premium version.
3. My contacts in the Google account can't be synced (other info of google is synced)
When I installed this ROM I cleared the data
Thanks
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After installation of google services via google installer,you need to allow all permissions of google apps names starting google in settings.Only open playstore after it.Uninstall services and do install again.Hope you got what i said.

Hi Adam!
I'm confused a bit about which ROM should I use. Currently I'm on stock 7.0.1.0G.
If I'm willing to upgrade which one should I use. There are quite a few options such as: 7.2.0.0A, 7.8.7.16G, 7.8.7.24A or even 7.8.8.9A.
I can't find a out whats are the differences. For sure all of them are Nougat based. but then...
Could you please guide me which one to pick?!
Thanks!

I need the original build.prop of the rom Flyme 7.2.0.0A Stable Final. I made many changes without a proper backup. If anyone can send me a copy, thank you.

wyvern123 said:
Hi Adam!
I'm confused a bit about which ROM should I use. Currently I'm on stock 7.0.1.0G.
If I'm willing to upgrade which one should I use. There are quite a few options such as: 7.2.0.0A, 7.8.7.16G, 7.8.7.24A or even 7.8.8.9A.
I can't find a out whats are the differences. For sure all of them are Nougat based. but then...
Could you please guide me which one to pick?!
Thanks!
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Choose latest 7.2.0.0 A if your concern is about getting more stability and security patches.
Choose latest beta A if you want slight more battery backup.

geovagomes said:
I need the original build.prop of the rom Flyme 7.2.0.0A Stable Final. I made many changes without a proper backup. If anyone can send me a copy, thank you.
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Personal message me.

adarshm4you said:
Choose latest 7.2.0.0 A if your concern is about getting more stability and security patches.
Choose latest beta A if you want slight more battery backup.
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I have some issue with 7.2.0.0A. I already installed it. But when I try to login into flyme account I get a message that I'm still loged in with another account and I have to logout with that first. I bought my Phone 2nd hand and the seller told me he removed this phone from his account.
The interesting thing that if I use the 7.0.1.0G than I can login with my own without any problem.
I'm still negotiating with the seller how could és solve this.
Do you have any idea how could I overcome this issue if I can't manage IT with the seller?
Thanks!

wyvern123 said:
I have some issue with 7.2.0.0A. I already installed it. But when I try to login into flyme account I get a message that I'm still loged in with another account and I have to logout with that first. I bought my Phone 2nd hand and the seller told me he removed this phone from his account.
The interesting thing that if I use the 7.0.1.0G than I can login with my own without any problem.
I'm still negotiating with the seller how could és solve this.
Do you have any idea how could I overcome this issue if I can't manage IT with the seller?
Thanks!
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Login on flyme account using computer and change the password there. Once password changed you have to login everywhere again since all active sessions gone out.

Is there any way to install a altered ROM on this phone? If I add or delete anything from the official ROM then it states it is corrupt.
Or is it possible to install TWRP on it? I think with that maybe its possible to install some tweaked ROM.
Thanks

wyvern123 said:
Is there any way to install a altered ROM on this phone? If I add or delete anything from the official ROM then it states it is corrupt.
Or is it possible to install TWRP on it? I think with that maybe its possible to install some tweaked ROM.
Thanks
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apparently there is no custom rom, twrp, xposed. what I recommend is to enable root and delete apps and system folders. I did and I gained more ram and less use of the processor in the background. and longer battery life
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wyvern123 said:
Is there any way to install a altered ROM on this phone? If I add or delete anything from the official ROM then it states it is corrupt.
Or is it possible to install TWRP on it? I think with that maybe its possible to install some tweaked ROM.
Thanks
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Never.It's not possible.Meizu will not allow us to unlock bootloader.