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The verdict - XWJG5 vs XWJM2?

This is a thread that could become irrelevant at any time with the release of a new firmware, but..
In people's experience, which if these firmwares is faster, more stable, and less laggy?
I have a Galaxy that I upgraded to JM2, but I'm not playing around with it much as it's a present for somebody - I just wanted to have it up to date when I give it to them.
So I haven't seen the difference in daily usage. Any thoughts?
On just playing around on the home scree, adding and removing widgets, they both seem pretty fast.
Thanks guys

I've not really benchmarked the different roms to be honest, but I have JM2 and have noticed that the phone lags a little when opening, closing and working within various apps.
3Banana notes is quick for me, whereas Seesmic lags when I hit 'compose' for a new tweet. The default media player is pretty snappy opening, as is the market, but other apps are slow...
Not sure whether it's a phone thing, a rom thing or an app thing.

i flashed from JF3 stock to JM2 and notice its a little quicker in day to day activitys but i still get the app lag when opening certain apps like mentioned above.

I think no firmware so far in entirely lag-free! You DO need the sdcard fix!

kalpik said:
I think no firmware so far in entirely lag-free! You DO need the sdcard fix!
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I don't apply any of the firmware updates, but just SD card fix. Rarely notice big lagging now.

For me, JM2 gives me the best performance. I'll give it a day or 2 to see if I even need the sd card fix.

I ran the Quadrant Standard bench on JM1 and JM2. While the JM1 got a 940 result the JM2 gets only 880 points, and it sims a little slower than the JM1. Even the accelerometer turns the image after a longer period. Both have a very good memory management, sometimes I get 270 MB free out of 326MB, and it stays in the range without the need of a reset after a long period of use.

I have heard the card fix really works...but the process seems very complicated to me. Perhaps I'm just a numbskull, but I dont understand how to do it...
...I dont want to do stuff that will brick the phone, unless I really know what I'm doing?

azreil24 said:
I ran the Quadrant Standard bench on JM1 and JM2. While the JM1 got a 940 result the JM2 gets only 880 points, and it sims a little slower than the JM1. Even the accelerometer turns the image after a longer period. Both have a very good memory management, sometimes I get 270 MB free out of 326MB, and it stays in the range without the need of a reset after a long period of use.
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I think you have the memory bit wrong - it's showing 270MB USED out of 326MB (at least for me... I've never seen it dip below the 200s.

I just upgraded from XWJG5 to XWJM2. Good thing I ran Titanium Backup first! I didn't realize the flash would wipe all of my data. So far so good.

If you use a kill application the best I have seen so far is around 93MB free as Task Manager restarts by default.
The built in kill application on JM2 only kills battery hog applications which are running not the run of the mill applications running in the background.

Yes, I did notice the native Task Manager.
I have noticed with this firmware that the MarketEnabler is not working. I can't download some of my paid apps.

TMW597 said:
Yes, I did notice the native Task Manager.
I have noticed with this firmware that the MarketEnabler is not working. I can't download some of my paid apps.
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Use Eris Market fix from the market
Sent using Samsung Galaxy S

I wish it were so easy. I have never had success with Eris. I have had success with MarketEnabler, but the latest version may need an update to work with the latest firmware. Very frustrating though. Fortunately for me before I did the firmware upgrade I used Titanium Backup. Had I not I would have no Slingplayer or other paid apps on the SGS right now.
Back to Eris, I installed it last night well before midnight, cleared the cache, did the reboot and waited until this morning it being a new day, and still no luck.

Hi All,
So I updated from JG5 to XM1 then XM2. Moving from JG5 to XM1 was very laggy and seemed that XM1 might have been on the Alpha release level, it was good but too buggy.
I then upgraded to XM2 from XM1 and found significant improvements. Then I started to notice things that would normally work would not. The GPS didn't work, the market didn't work, titanium back up, kept getting interrupted during restore even when using after a clean reboot. Browsing through the phone was generally slower and menus would take a while to load.
XM2 seems great on first boot, but after you start loading some of your apps in and customize it to work the way you want it to, then you have problems.
I went back to JG5 as it is far more stable and reliable. I might wait till Froyo before I flash again, i've probably done 12 different flashes in the past 2 weeks.
Let me know if anyone has had better luck with XM2.

on my part.. i can say that JG5 is still the fastest and operates more stable than JM2 at stock settings no rooting done.
installed samset 1.6 and seemed to get abit slower in opening applications..
..will go back to JG5 for now.. hehehe
|| disclaimer: other users may experience differently. ^_^ ||

Im wondering why the phone is reporting more than 256MB usable since the current kernel version only allows upto 256MB

I found JG5 more stable whereas I have encountered few issues with JM2, market behaves strangly installed apps not showing status installed. More bugs in JM2, more lagging and apps taking longer to load like sky news i think I will go back to JG5.

JG5 is an official firmware? I mean App market will work without Eris Fix ?
Thanks !

Is JG5 an official firmware on which App Market is working without Eris fix ?
Thanks !

Clunky Like Windows 95? Hmmmm.....

First, I am straight vanilla on my EVO--stock ROM, no root, etc. But I have noticed a behavior pattern in Android that reminds me of Windows 95. I am not a heavy or light user, just standard. But I have noticed that after a month or so, the UI begins to get clunky or jerky or sporadic (put your own word here). But if I pull the battery for a complete restart, it runs as smooth as silk again for about another month, when I have to repeat the process.
This reminds me of the old days of Windows when even Microsoft recommended PC's and servers be periodically restarted to clean up memory issues.

You went a whole month without rebooting your phone??
I've noticed a little lag after a few days but I rarely go even that long without restarting for one reason or another. I always though periodically rebooting was just something that was good to do anyways.

That is pretty standard for smartphones. I restart mine every morning when I get out of bed.

the fact that you can go a full month without rebooting your smartphone says something I think.

Well, I haven't been tracking the interval on a calendar, but a month (plus or minus a week) seems about right. But I am astounded that this battery-pulling process is "common" knowledge or that anyone would would think that doing it every morning is an acceptable practice!! Seems that people that b*tch about wifi speeds and light leak would be putting a gun to their heads if they had to reboot every morning...LOL.

You are "stock" not "vanilla". The two are not interchangeable. Vanilla implies AOSP non-sense which is what you want if that ui is bogging you down. Try adw or launcher pro and that sense ui lag will be a thing of the past. A custom ROM like cm6, fresh, or baked snack will fix you right up.
Swyped on my EVO

I am pretty sure none of the people who answered pull the battery for a restart. It's as simple as getting a program (quickboot) from the market to do it or long press on the power button. That is not a hassle at all, and really, every smartphone should be rebboted from time to time. This phones are now mini computers and as such from time to time will need rebooting to keep things smooth.

+1, pulling the battery is not necessary to reboot. I don't know why Sprint would suggest that is any different than just rebooting..

whats the name of the App in the market that will reboot your phone for you at a specified time/date/interval?
I know its in the market (and requires root) but i cant remember the name

dmc971989 said:
whats the name of the App in the market that will reboot your phone for you at a specified time/date/interval?
I know its in the market (and requires root) but i cant remember the name
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I saw the thread about someone asking if an app like that exists, I didn't think it had been made yet.

I can see how someone who is not rooted could go a month with out restarting there phone. I mean most of my restarts happen because i am flashing a new kernel or rom or some combination of the 2.
What others listed is true though almost all smart phones need a reboot from time to time. Even newer PCS with win 7 you should reboot now and then so this wasn't only windows 95.
Also as stated above you dont need to pull the battery just power down and power back on and you should be good to go.

I think having to reboot your phone is a ridiculous notion. Just because it has the functionality of a mini computer doesnt mean that shortcomings of computers should be forgiven...
I mean, hell, portable gaming systems are getting more and more popular, but no one says hey its okay for my ds to overheat because its becoming more like an xbox 360...

icantdrawanime said:
I think having to reboot your phone is a ridiculous notion. Just because it has the functionality of a mini computer doesnt mean that shortcomings of computers should be forgiven...
I mean, hell, portable gaming systems are getting more and more popular, but no one says hey its okay for my ds to overheat because its becoming more like an xbox 360...
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hahahahaha...
good one

a power cycle is unavoidable, thats when your system cleans up and wipes whatever isnt needed like temp files and what not, even regular cellphones from time to time require a restart, all computers require restart, what im more interested in is how android handles memory fragmentation, in ubuntu, they recently released a kernal upgrade that allowed for ubuntu to handle huge file sizes but now requires defrag to be able to compensate for fragmentation caused by using such large files and i was told that android has some sort of 2gig limitation on the overall os and i believe apps have a 15mb write limit or something of that sort, would that be to try and avoid memory fragmentation??

icantdrawanime said:
I mean, hell, portable gaming systems are getting more and more popular, but no one says hey its okay for my ds to overheat because its becoming more like an xbox 360...
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That's not a fair comparison at all. Overheating is something that can damage an electronic device. I've never heard of a phone getting damaged by rebooting it.
Hell, for all we know, the OP doesn't even need to reboot. Running a task kill might have been enough to fix his problems.

IDK about you guys, but my battery dies so often and quickly, I don't think I can go more than a day without it dying at least one...

Whats the big issue with restarting? Takes like 1 minute.

GT-i9000m has been locking up recently to the point of removing the battery.

It went from extremely rarely doing it to three or four times just the other night in the span of a few hours. I can't reproduce it on command but it happens when I lock the screen and put it in my pocket. Then sometimes when I take it out it is entirely non-responsive, even the power button doesn't work. I have to remove and reinsert the battery.
It could be ADW Launcher or WidgetLocker since those are the only two programs always running, but I was hoping someone else experiences a similar issue. It hasn't happened when I normally lock it yet though, so it could also be the proximity sensor maybe?

Having the same issue (on Bell as well), but not running either of those two apps. Was almost to the point of returning the phone and then installed JM7 and it's been better, although not perfect. Last night it locked up with NoLED displaying an icon, so I've deleted that app to see if that's the issue. It hasn't locked up today, but it did reboot a few hours ago seemingly at random. :shrug:

Your internal sd card might be failing like all the other i9000m phones I see on this forum bricking themselves .

clubtech said:
Your internal sd card might be failing like all the other i9000m phones I see on this forum bricking themselves .
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Oh, that doesn't sound pleasant at all...
I'm outside of Bell's 30 day exchange period plus I've talked for over 30 minutes, so I'll have to go through Samsung if it completely breaks. On the plus side, a phone from them should be three button recoverable.
Although I can't be without a phone for weeks, I hope it's not the SD card.

Mine Lags like crazy once every few days till the point I need to restart it. Any idea why this is do?
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Hold your horses people....
before you jump about the lag, and or one click lag fix and such
first you have to investigate what is running on your phone.
just over the weekend (since XDA was down) i stalled over 400 Apps
my phone slowed down to snail speed, then i ran my Startup Manager software (many to choose from)
I suggest Startup Cleaner 2.0 then uncheck everything, leave only the apps that you want to run during start up
reboot your phone and presto, fast as new!
if you can find version 2.1 of startup manager that one is even better
keep note, start up manager apps are not the same as task killer apps
it only run once during start up, and it helps you easily select what should and should not run during start up, so it doesn't stay in memory after it runs
on the same topic
you should also configure your Task Killer apps to kill everything, and add only the wants you want to be running to the ignore list.
that will keep the phone working smoothly even without the "one click lag fix"
i'm still running stock on my JH2 i9000m

AllGamer said:
Hold your horses people....
before you jump about the lag, and or one click lag fix and such
first you have to investigate what is running on your phone.
just over the weekend (since XDA was down) i stalled over 400 Apps
my phone slowed down to snail speed, then i ran my Startup Manager software (many to choose from)
I suggest Startup Cleaner 2.0 then uncheck everything, leave only the apps that you want to run during start up
reboot your phone and presto, fast as new!
if you can find version 2.1 of startup manager that one is even better
keep note, start up manager apps are not the same as task killer apps
it only run once during start up, and it helps you easily select what should and should not run during start up, so it doesn't stay in memory after it runs
on the same topic
you should also configure your Task Killer apps to kill everything, and add only the wants you want to be running to the ignore list.
that will keep the phone working smoothly even without the "one click lag fix"
i'm still running stock on my JH2 i9000m
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All gamer has a good sugestion here BUT we are going to get people flaming the fact that Android shouldnt need task managers.....
Ho hum..
TBH in my experience, I have found (after a couple of hard resets) that there appears to be a size limit for installed apps. Once I get over this size limit, I get LAGTASTIC, phone slows to a snails pace, then I remove a few of the apps and I am back at light speed again....
I cant say what the limit is, but I know when I have hit it - I would then uninstall a lame app or two and get back running.

Yes a lot of people "claims" that, but yet you do a search in Android Market, you see LOTS of Task Manager / Killer apps for every phone.
they were not designed for Galaxy S, they were designed long ago for all the other phones that had and still have the same problems of memory management causing lags
Android is not robust enough to survive without one
heck not even Windows 7 or Windows Mobiles phone

I just read that possibly the phone freezes while trying to find a signal. As this problem has only recently started, and I just recently moved into university, and many buildings receive little to no wireless signal, I think it's more than a coincidence. I'll try going to plane mode before entering lecture halls and basements.

Frostshock said:
I just read that possibly the phone freezes while trying to find a signal. As this problem has only recently started, and I just recently moved into university, and many buildings receive little to no wireless signal, I think it's more than a coincidence. I'll try going to plane mode before entering lecture halls and basements.
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i don't think that is the case with the Galaxy S
however back then my Treo 650 did suffer from that.
if you believe that is the problem then try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7999389&postcount=28
more cool apps here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7999389

I am new to android is the Arc meant to be so laggy and buggy??

My Arc keeps crashing asking me to force close apps and the homescreen it lags like hell and it is getting worst all the time so bad that even opening my texts takes a couple more than 10 seconds... (I do have around 2000 texts though)
Unlocking the screen is laggy scrolling on threw the 5 homescreens is laggy...
Sync turned off.
No timespace widget.
Even after removing all widgets to test it it was laggy
I used advanced task killer to kill all the apps to try the quadrant test
and I only got 850-950 MAX!!
Compared to youtube videos that seem to get almost double scores why is my
Arc is slow is it faulty?
Is it because I only have 40mb of phone memory and about 500mb sd card memory left?
Will I just have to flash my phone and does that mean I will need to flash every 2 weeks???

I think you have installed some applications which caysing this problem I had this problem, then i flashed my phone again & installed apps again (didn't restore).. But i didn't installed all apps at once, i spent time & installed 2, 3 apps everyday to check if the app would make phone laggy or slow. Since then my phone is working awesome, my 16GB memory card is almost full, 400 MB internal memory is full (After root i have removed many useless system apps)... I have more than 4000 sms & there is no lag or slowness Quadrant score is 1650

the only time i experienced lag was with adw launcher and no fc's yet, other than that the phone has been fast - then again i don't have as many apps or data on my phone as you. one thing i did notice is that my lcd's touch sensitivity seems to be lower than other arc's, maybe a defect, but it's pretty maddening in addition to all the reboots i've been having. i've been reading about others that have issues with the battery staying in place and like me, the random reboots, this is my first android phone, so not sure if these things are normal or if it just the arc.

It's definitely apps.
Mine is superfast...

Apps and possibly task killing the wrong things.. you need to make sure that if you're going to use a task killer, you really shouldn't us it on Auto.. and you should make sure to IGNORE anything that is a system task, or anything which persistently restarts.. killing those only wastes battery.

Android isnt exactly the most stable os out their but if you know about the os and know its ins and outs it can not only be the fastest but the best os out there.
My recommendation is look up articles about using and optimizing the os, trust me it will do you a ton of good.

Hi,
It seams that sometimes Android must be reflashed on a Device, especially on Tmobile Devices it will fix most of the problems.
Another tip: Uninstall the update of gmaps and reinstall it, on my device it blocks login to gmail and gtalk from one day to another! -.-
Greetings
Alef

Nope the ARC does not Lag very often and i think its ur device's memory thats giving you the trouble along with that huge pile of messages .... or the Corrupt software that might have crept in ...
My advice would be to flash ur ARC ASAP and limit that 2000+ messages and u will see a difference. Avoid putting too many apps as well.
Arc is a Size Zero Lady ... Don't burden it with Heavy Foodstufff ...
Might create Digestion problems. Keep it Light and it'll stay FIT.

solidkevin said:
Android isnt exactly the most stable os out their but if you know about the os and know its ins and outs it can not only be the fastest but the best os out there.
My recommendation is look up articles about using and optimizing the os, trust me it will do you a ton of good.
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What do you mean "isn't the most stable"? I've been able to keep my phone on for weeks without a reboot. Seems stable enough to me.

Ok turns out I had 110 apps I deleted al the heavy ones and am down to 60 now!! My phone now got 1200 on quadrant. I dont kill any system ups or have an auto task killer set up I just kill uneeded apps before I run benchmarks?
Plus I noticed I have some orange apps that keep coming up even though I never used them... I might have to debrand and try again but my phobe is much much more stable now thanks!!
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chances are it wasn't the number of apps you had which was causing the problem, but that one of them (or possible several of them!) which you deleted were badly written and hogging the processor when they should have been sitting quietly in the background..

Orange is well known for screwing devices with bloatware also.

Wow!!
That's a lot of apps you've installed and most likely loads of them are badly written like iceman said; I installed a file browser on mine not long after getting the phone which would pause the whole system for up to a minute, plus battery was highly drained.
I guess this is result of massively varied hardware for one mobile OS. (Plus bad programming)

Nexus 7 extremely slow :(

I got my Nexus 7 in the first batch from Gamestop on the day of release. Initially, the performance was very fast, even faster than my Galaxy S2. However, after a couple of weeks now, it has become extremely slow. It is still stock, havent even rooted it. It is a 16gb model, and has close to 10gb free. I have tried clearing cache, closing all running applications, restarting but nothing really has worked.
The problem is almost every app is very slow. I get a notification of an email, i click on it and then stare at the white email screen for almost 10 sec before it opens up (the regular email app). It almost feels like a different device now than what i bought few weeks back. Other applications that run equally slow - Google Reader, Chrome, WSJ (this is perhaps the worst), Fluent News Reader. I am not much into games so havent tried a lot of them.Oh, and it is no match now to my Galaxy S2 Skyrocket or even HP Touchpad Cm9 that i got rid of last week.
I don't want to exchange it as it does not suffer from all the other problems being reported here (and am afraid that the new one might exhibit those). Please help.

Just a guess, but you most likely loaded something on it that is doing that. Check what you have installed on it, perhaps uninstalling some of the larger things to see if you can figure out what is holding it up.

Stock Nexus 7 Image
If cleaning the device does not work, you can always flash back to the stock image, which can be found on developers.google.com
Be sure to backup your apps and data!

or for the most simple of us...
Setting>Privicy>Factory reset.
That will remove any app that might be causing it.
Be warned tho, i think on this device it wipes the internal storage...

how is your WiFi signal?
seeing how almost every app require internet access, the delay could be it trying to connect.

Actually I thought that too... but my wireless signal is very strong in my small apartment and i have 30mbps line. I checked with speednet app and i am getting 13mpbs down, 4 mpbs up on nexus 7.
I am happy that this seems like my issue only - i will try to remove apps one by one to see if it helps or worst case, i will do a factory reset.
I was wondering if there are any known culprit apps responsible for memory leaks or something.
dilldoe said:
how is your WiFi signal?
seeing how almost every app require internet access, the delay could be it trying to connect.
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I have noticed how mine has been very sluggish when there are apps upgrading in the background or installing, etc. Maybe turn off auto update for play store?

dbjunction said:
Actually I thought that too... but my wireless signal is very strong in my small apartment and i have 30mbps line. I checked with speednet app and i am getting 13mpbs down, 4 mpbs up on nexus 7.
I am happy that this seems like my issue only - i will try to remove apps one by one to see if it helps or worst case, i will do a factory reset.
I was wondering if there are any known culprit apps responsible for memory leaks or something.
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If you send me a PM, I'll give you my email address and I can help you narrow it down by using screenshots of your app drawer.

install watchdog task manager lite, it monitors app in the background and tells you which one is causing problems.
have you tried turning off gps (location service) and see if hats the issue?

same thing
dbjunction said:
I got my Nexus 7 in the first batch from Gamestop on the day of release. Initially, the performance was very fast, even faster than my Galaxy S2. However, after a couple of weeks now, it has become extremely slow. It is still stock, havent even rooted it. It is a 16gb model, and has close to 10gb free. I have tried clearing cache, closing all running applications, restarting but nothing really has worked.
The problem is almost every app is very slow. I get a notification of an email, i click on it and then stare at the white email screen for almost 10 sec before it opens up (the regular email app). It almost feels like a different device now than what i bought few weeks back. Other applications that run equally slow - Google Reader, Chrome, WSJ (this is perhaps the worst), Fluent News Reader. I am not much into games so havent tried a lot of them.Oh, and it is no match now to my Galaxy S2 Skyrocket or even HP Touchpad Cm9 that i got rid of last week.
I don't want to exchange it as it does not suffer from all the other problems being reported here (and am afraid that the new one might exhibit those). Please help.
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Just wanted you to know you aren't alone here...I have been seeing the same exact behavior on mine. I have started to uninstall apps one by one. I must be a bad app or something. If not I'm gonna wipe it and start over. It does feel disconcerting to go from easily the best tablet experience I have ever had to it becoming so sluggish.

i have the same problem, mine did the same thing on stock, ran great for a week or two, then became unbearably slow. so i rooted it and it wiped all data and the problem seemed to be fixed. then another week or two passed and its back to slow. i found out after testing with quadrant it has something to do with the i/o on the device, because the i/o score was abnormally lower than all the devices. putting a custom kernel will help, but still the i/o score is still quite low. i dont want to wipe all data again and if anybody knows a fix it would be greatly appreciated

nexus 7 has Kingston eMMC, it is better then the crummy Prime Hynix eMMC, but is eMMC none the less, not proper NAND flash/SSD

Well you could've had a bad app that is bogging your system down. A factory reset may be the only option so you can start fresh
Sent from my Google Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Check the cache size of your Google Playbook or Magazine apps. It keeps downloading large files (400 mb) and may fill up your storage...causing it to slow down?

Having the same issue after owning it for two days. I really wanted to like this tablet,but between the sluggishness, and other various shortcomings, I'm going to be returning mine.

I deleted WSJ app and it seems to have helped a lot - not as fast as new, but a lot better. One thing which still irritates me is email app which just seems to be too slow...

Sorry to say but mine so fast I can't keep it down it trys to fly away lol
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Same
has anyone been able to figure this out? I'm having the same problems and I've been running watchdog but there been no out of control process is on my device. I have wiped the device and the same thing just keeps happening after a little while it'll get very slow. it happens more often than not when there something in the background downloading are using the internet, but it's definitely not my connection because I've had no problems with any other devices.

Been getting similar behavior recently. cm10 euroskank, trinity 7.
Edit: in logcat, getting stuff like
I/Choreographer(10656): Skipped 30 frames! The application may be doing too much work on its main thread.
W/InputEventReceiver(10656): Attempted to finish an input event but the input event receiver has already been disposed.

I think I may have come across a solution. For me, the slowdowns were always connected to when something was downloading in the background, or when a process was using data, so I went through and turned off syncing on any non-essential Google services and other apps, and it seems to be working much better right now.