Anyone else notice this?? I've run both the first and the second 2.2 leaked Rom, and both exhibit this same issue. Okay first a little info: stock battery, stock HTC wall charger and stock use cable. I don't charge off a use port on a comp, always the wall charger.
Now, on stock 2.1, I could run the battery all the way down, connect the charger, and be back to full charge in max 1.5 hours. On 2.2, it takes more than twice that long. So I went thru the whole downgrade process (pain!) to get back to stock 2.1, ran that for a day and confirmed, charging on the wall charger gets about 1% a minute. Went back to 2.0 radio and second leaked 2.2 ota, and yeah, back to taking 2-3 mins to get a percent, about 3.5-4 hours to full charge.
So..... what gives? Anyone else noticing this? Can it be fixed via patch or something? Is it the radio, the new kernel, what?
its probably the new radio. i dont know how the radio directly affects battery life tho. it is not the kernel, because i am running cm6 and the problems have persisted on cm6 too. i have been experienceing these problems too
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i dont know how the radio directly affects battery life tho
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The radio could be the #2 drain on a battery (short of 100% on screen) ... if the radio is not getting the signal it wants, it hunts and hunts, and 1x draws incredible power from the battery vs 3G.
The buggy radio and buggy beta could easily be causing you trouble in your area, if they just don't play right with the signal you are getting. Hopefully when the non-beta radio comes out, things will change.
Mind you, my battery life seems fine, no worse than stock anyways. It's just the charging time that has gotten dramatically worse.
Same..there's no reason my phone should be charging for close to 4 to 5 hours I don't know what's up with that
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Same..there's no reason my phone should be charging for close to 4 to 5 hours I don't know what's up with that
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I may be all wet...but there is a battery file in your phone that I think gets wiped when you install a new ROM.
I do all of my charging at night, so I don't know how long it takes after wiping and installing ROMs. I do remember it taking about three hours to charge the battery the very first time I plugged it in.
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I may be all wet...but there is a battery file in your phone that I think gets wiped when you install a new ROM.
I do all of my charging at night, so I don't know how long it takes after wiping and installing ROMs. I do remember it taking about three hours to charge the battery the very first time I plugged it in.
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Doesn't explain why after I wiped and went back to 100% stock my charge time went back to taking no more than 90 mins...
Nah I flashed roms all the time on my Droid never took this long to charge. Even on my inc cyanogen 6 never took that long its definitely something about 2.2 roms or sky raider.
I have this problem on mine and made a thread on androidforums. After watching a few things I came to the conclusion its the cpu speed. It never throttles down below about 500-600 mhz. Open setCPU and don't touch anything. You'll see it won't drop to the 200s like its supposed to.
Someone came up with a work around by using setcpu. Create a profile for when the screen is off so that the max is 245 mhz. You'll find that your charge times will be a lot better.
Even though this works I would like to know why the phone is not throttling down at idle like its supposed to. Someone with more knowledge might have the answer.
I had noticed that and posted a thread about it awhile back. I have a hard time believing that is the sole reason for tripping charge times though
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I have this problem on mine and made a thread on androidforums. After watching a few things I came to the conclusion its the cpu speed. It never throttles down below about 500-600 mhz. Open setCPU and don't touch anything. You'll see it won't drop to the 200s like its supposed to.
Someone came up with a work around by using setcpu. Create a profile for when the screen is off so that the max is 245 mhz. You'll find that your charge times will be a lot better.
Even though this works I would like to know why the phone is not throttling down at idle like its supposed to. Someone with more knowledge might have the answer.
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all the explanations posted so far would be a cause of battery DRAIN issues, which most people claim to see better overall battery life since jumping on 2.2 (myself included). none of these could explain why charge times would take twice as long. i myself have had better battery life on 2.2, but charge times are definitely in the 3-4 hour range as opposed to the 1.5 hours it was before. BUT, one theory is htc might have lowered the charge input from what it was before, meaning a slower charge time but preserving battery health and possibly increasing battery life. just a guess, chemistry majors correct me if im wrong lol.
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all the explanations posted so far would be a cause of battery DRAIN issues, which most people claim to see better overall battery life since jumping on 2.2 (myself included). none of these could explain why charge times would take twice as long.
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If the phone isnt underclocking even when the screen is off, it would be using more power even while charging, which would explain the long charge times.
Proof of concept would be, if you try and charge while using bluetooth and gps in the car you may not lose charge, but it will not charge as quickly as if you are not using those things.
if the CPU use is high then the battery would not charge as quickly.
I'm still not so certain that the setcpu profle has solved my problem, still havent been conscious of it enough to be sure.
mb02 said:
all the explanations posted so far would be a cause of battery DRAIN issues, which most people claim to see better overall battery life since jumping on 2.2 (myself included). none of these could explain why charge times would take twice as long. i myself have had better battery life on 2.2, but charge times are definitely in the 3-4 hour range as opposed to the 1.5 hours it was before. BUT, one theory is htc might have lowered the charge input from what it was before, meaning a slower charge time but preserving battery health and possibly increasing battery life. just a guess, chemistry majors correct me if im wrong lol.
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Common sense would tell you that if something is draining the battery, charge times would be higher...
Gbenj. Its definitely not a full fix for it since it requires the screen to be off but it has definitely cut down on my charge times. Its still no where near what it was for 2.1 but atleast I dont have to wait 4 hours for 10%.
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If the phone isnt underclocking even when the screen is off, it would be using more power even while charging, which would explain the long charge times.
Proof of concept would be, if you try and charge while using bluetooth and gps in the car you may not lose charge, but it will not charge as quickly as if you are not using those things.
if the CPU use is high then the battery would not charge as quickly.
I'm still not so certain that the setcpu profle has solved my problem, still havent been conscious of it enough to be sure.
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Common sense would tell you that if something is draining the battery, charge times would be higher...
Gbenj. Its definitely not a full fix for it since it requires the screen to be off but it has definitely cut down on my charge times. Its still no where near what it was for 2.1 but atleast I dont have to wait 4 hours for 10%.
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All understood, BUT, yesterday when using gps nav for a few hours and on the car charger, i was actually still LOSING battery. nothing else was on (bluetooth or wifi) no calls, no texts or anything. 2.1, i still gained charge while using gps on the car charger as well as having an overclocked kernel. so its definitely not a cpu issue considering peak processor speed has not been tampered with.
Just a thought but perhaps the FROYO Rom that you flashed has a fix in it for the problem with charging. In otherwords perhaps it is actually charging the whole battery. I haven't paid any attention to mine as to whether it is taking longer. I usually just charge while I sleep and then while I am in the car and sometimes at my desk if I plan to plug in for something I will just leave it plugged so I get more use of higher drain features when I go home. I noticed though that if you bump charge as recommended, (pre-update) I only did it once and saw little to no improvement, it took for ever. After I charged it to green, I turned it off and charged it to green, unplugged it plugged it back charged to green, and repeated until it was green when I first plugged in. Now it seems to me that the problem is a software/system issue so it would be plausible that a software solution could be developed. I haven't tried since I updated and the ROM I am currently using gives me the same battery life I had before but now I can leave GPS on all the time something I couldn't even think about with Stock everything.
So I may be wrong but it may be that it is taking longer to charge because it is actually charging the chunk of battery that it hadn't been charging before. Just a thought and since I am pretty sure I don't have the same ROM you have I won't venture to test and post results but perhaps you could.
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Just a thought but perhaps the FROYO Rom that you flashed has a fix in it for the problem with charging. In otherwords perhaps it is actually charging the whole battery. I haven't paid any attention to mine as to whether it is taking longer. I usually just charge while I sleep and then while I am in the car and sometimes at my desk if I plan to plug in for something I will just leave it plugged so I get more use of higher drain features when I go home. I noticed though that if you bump charge as recommended, (pre-update) I only did it once and saw little to no improvement, it took for ever. After I charged it to green, I turned it off and charged it to green, unplugged it plugged it back charged to green, and repeated until it was green when I first plugged in. Now it seems to me that the problem is a software/system issue so it would be plausible that a software solution could be developed. I haven't tried since I updated and the ROM I am currently using gives me the same battery life I had before but now I can leave GPS on all the time something I couldn't even think about with Stock everything.
So I may be wrong but it may be that it is taking longer to charge because it is actually charging the chunk of battery that it hadn't been charging before. Just a thought and since I am pretty sure I don't have the same ROM you have I won't venture to test and post results but perhaps you could.
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bump charging is still required by anyone on 2.2 so its not charging any more of the battery than what it used to, just a lot slower.
Agreed, it doesn't make bump charging any less required for "full" charge, also, this theory would mean we'd be getting significantly better battery life.... I most definitely was not.
It's possible they reduced the charger output to the battery to increase battery life/reduce heat while charging.
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It's possible they reduced the charger output to the battery to increase battery life/reduce heat while charging.
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if by battery life you mean overall battery health over time then yes, that is what i believe as well. also, these leaked froyo roms are all developmental, not final releases. im guessing that they may have tried a fix for battery issues but it didnt work out right in these roms so im hoping in the final release it will be truly fixed.
has anyone noticed that the battery stops charging after a while? it almost seems like the system is stopping the charge because its running for so long. anyone seen anything like this?
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Hello there,
I would really like some advice - my battery is draining like water. I'm quite convinced it is the regulation of the unit; I bought a 2400mAh battery replacement and it lasted ages on first go, but then my G1 started draining stupidly fast after I'd recharged it. This also happens on the stock battery too (buy even quicker!). I'm convinced it is the regulation because a) I've never had battery problems previously and b) the battery meter starts at about 26% when I plug it it in (after the phone shuts off from it being dead and I then plug in the charger).
I actually have a bricked G1 that still charges batteries, so I thought I'd do an overnight charge on the battery that way, to 'remind' the other G1 what a 100% battery is like, but that didn't seem to work either.
Can someone help? Is this a known problem? I would really appreciate any advice.
Mark
Things that cause ridiculous battery drain;
Backlight, keep it at no more than 30%
Wifi - turn off search for open networks,
Gps - wow does this drain
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Things that cause ridiculous battery drain;
Backlight, keep it at no more than 30%
Wifi - turn off search for open networks,
Gps - wow does this drain
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GPS doesn't really drain battery unless it's actively being used...at least not on my phone.
You can also try disabling 3G if you're not in a 3G area. It will keep trying to find a 3G signal, which really drains battery.
For the record, I have a stock battery that I get ~13-16 hours on from a single charge... my backlight is at 40%, GPS is always on, and I use wifi whenever I want to surf the web and am near an open network.
OP...if your battery is lasting you only a couple of hours, then I'd try to reflash your ROM. Might help...
Wow 13 to 16, I am lucky if I get 6 with 30% backlight, and wi-fi and gps off, I have always gotten that on ever rom even stock with no widgets, you are one of the very few with good battery life cause I have seen many complaints about short battery ranges
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Wow 13 to 16, I am lucky if I get 6 with 30% backlight, and wi-fi and gps off, I have always gotten that on ever rom even stock with no widgets, you are one of the very few with good battery life cause I have seen many complaints about short battery ranges
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Yeah, that's on a normal, moderate usage day. If I use it heavily, with a lot of wifi and web browsing, then I'll get around 10.
Maybe your battery needs to be replaced... could just be old and not holding a charge properly.
It's 2 months old, has done it from day one, I also have another battery that does it too that I kept from a previously brick g1, so one 3 phones, all the same battery life but then I use it quite heavily, always browsing on the web since my computer burned out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555048
try that? 3rd gen battery could help..
Thanks for the suggestions, but it's not a wifi/3g/brightness etc problem - I've had a G1 for six months, I know exactly how much power should be consumed. It's also not the battery; I have two stock batteries and a brand new 2400mAh battery, which for the first few charges lasted about 2 - 2.5 days and was brilliant (as it should be), but now doesn't last all that long.
I may have made the situation slightly better however - I did a Nandroid backup, wiped to factory (well, Cyanogen 4.0.4 anyway) and booted into that. I then restored the backup and when I plugged back in to the charger, the meter was at 85%, and seemed to take a normal amount of time to charge (and not jump to 100%). It remains to be seen if the problem is solved, I've yet to have the battery drain (this is a good sign though) an plug in the charger to see if it will jump from 0 to 25 or not.
I'll re-post when I know.
run the battery down until the phone shuts off without plugging it in.
charge the battery while the phone is off over night
do this 3-5 times and see if you get any improvement.
also remember some of the cheap 2400 batts from ebay and such claim 2400 but that is from 3.5V to 3.0V. The G1 considers 3.2V to be dead so you only get from 3.5V to 3.2V which sucks.
I'm with gridlock on this one. My batteries suck. It always needs a mid day charge. And to the poster that said to reflash a rom, that is bad advice. There is known issues with getting poor performance out of these batteries. I have 2 and both do the same. Got the second one from complaining to t-mo about how bad it sucks.
Reflashing seems to have worked...the 2400mAh battery seems a lot better now, it lasted nearly two days (it runs at 3.7v, according to my battery diagnostic), I've only just recharged it last night. When I plug it in, it charges normally and linearly now, instead of jumping straight to 25%.
So my advice, if anyone is having similar problems to me, would be to try a reflash.
Thanks for your help everyone.
Just want to share my experience of 'best' charging method that can maximize the battery life of my Nexus one.
Firstly, let me introduce my equip:
- Machine: Nexus one
- Rom: FRF91 Stock, Deodexed, rooted, busybox... (Geo411m)
- Kernel: intersectRaven's 2.6.35_AVS-925mV_CFS_20100802_1056.zip
- Control: SetCPU, Interactive: 245-960Mhz when on, and 245-245 when screen off
The key method of obtaining max. battery life is the 'GOLDEN' time from 100% drop down to 99%. Once the battery shows dropping from 100 to 99%, the dropping speed is quite stably fast onwards
So, how to retain 100% longer before dropping to 99%? Below are the steps that really work for me:
1) Charge the phone to green light, some where between 90% and 100% (say: 95%)
2) Disconnect USB charging cable
3) Turn off the phone
4) Connect USB charging cable and charge the phone, it should show orange light
5) Set a timer, remember to *ONLY charge the phone for around 20-25mins*
6) The concept is NOT to charge the phone until you get green light. In order words, you need to charge the phone from 95% for 20-25mins where the light is kept ORANGE with the phone turned off!!!
7) After 20-25mins, disconnect USB cable and power on your nexus phone
8) You are done and the battery should last longer before dropping to 99%
9) Time in step (5) depends, you need to trial-&-error
For my experience, I normally charge the phone before I sleep and disconnect the charger. In the morning when I get up, it usually shows around 95% of battery. Then, I power off the phone and charge it. And then I take breakfast, bla bla bla ~ and after around 20mins, disconnect the charger and go to work. The battery can retain 100% for around 30mins of continuous web browsing, facebooking... and when I reach my office, sometimes, the battery still shows 100% !!!
So, above is my experience of how to maximize the 100% retaining time.
Please feel free to try and share with us whether it really works for you
Great advice.
Personally, I can't really be bothered with going out of my way to be overly concerned about battery life. I don't play games on my phone -- that will change when Angry Birds is released for Android -- nor do I watch movies, and I don't really do too much web browsing. Sometimes I listen to music, but not often.
I can go 12-14 hours of normal use (mostly Twitter and text messaging) and that will put me around 45-50%. I'm never somewhere that I can't charge the phone if I need to; USB at work, regular charge at home, and a charger in the car.
All of these tips and tricks for extending battery life are neat, but why bother?
^ Well looking at your usage, and the plenty charging points, of course you dont care. However, some ppl browse a lot, play games, so every last inch of battery life means something.
I just keep spare batteries in my pockets =D
I will try your golden tips.. then I will write my thoughts.
I thank you for sharing.
Screwing up the battery meter does not get you more battery life, period, and I suspect your shenanigans here is doing that. The battery has a set capacity, it's not going to charge more than that.
The Nexus One and a lot of other modern phones with modern batteries DO NOT trickle charge, they charge to 100% and STOP charging. When the phone drops to a certain limit, it charges more. Repeat as long as it's on the charger. This is why you might see it "drop a few percent" when you pull the charger.
Yea this sounds like a huge placebo effect.
Well I just did this, been off charger for over an hour.. still 100% after over an hour and two reboots.
At 1378mAh right now, didn't get a reading straight after first reboot unfortunately.
I'm also trialing autorun killer. Disabled a free services I don't use.. seemingly increased startup time.
heya,
Don't you mean decreased startup time?
Cheers,
Victor
Yeah, that's what I mean.
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heya,
Don't you mean decreased startup time?
Cheers,
Victor
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Well I just did this, been off charger for over an hour.. still 100% after over an hour and two reboots.
At 1378mAh right now, didn't get a reading straight after first reboot unfortunately.
I'm also trialing autorun killer. Disabled a free services I don't use.. seemingly increased startup time.
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How do you figure out your mAh level? Spare parts only shows me mV.
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This is placebo. In the OP you even say after it finally drops to 99% it drops fast after that. It's because the phone wasn't at 100% all that time. It was giving you a false reading from messing with the charging pattern.
The best way I've found to charge the phone is to delete the battery stats, turn the phone off, and charge it until it's green. I get a great day of battery life with the phone that way.
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Great advice.
Personally, I can't really be bothered with going out of my way to be overly concerned about battery life. I don't play games on my phone -- that will change when Angry Birds is released for Android -- nor do I watch movies, and I don't really do too much web browsing. Sometimes I listen to music, but not often. I can go 12-14 hours of normal use (mostly Twitter and text messaging) and that will put me around 45-50%. I'm never somewhere that I can't charge the phone if I need to; USB at work, regular charge at home, and a charger in the car. All of these tips and tricks for extending battery life are neat, but why bother?
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Totally agree...I just charge when & where necessary and never worry about it! Don't have the time and it seems to last long enough for me to work & play
I had already discovered this and was looking for a fool proof way but I guess you beat me to it. Happens when you traveling alot. For me, I have gotten over 1500mAh more than once..some times 100% would last me half a day too. So it's worth it, my question is whether or not this is bad for your battery? or long term battery life.
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I had already discovered this and was looking for a fool proof way but I guess you beat me to it. Happens when you traveling alot. For me, I have gotten over 1500mAh more than once..some times 100% would last me half a day too. So it's worth it, my question is whether or not this is bad for your battery? or long term battery life.
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I'm fairly sure that the Milliampere-hour (mAh) is the capacity of the battery (the amount of energy it will store). How can you get "over 1500mAh" on a 1400 mAh battery? None of you are making any sense what so ever. You can't get more energy out of a battery by charging it a specific way. If I gave you a bucket that held 10lbs of sand and you filled it with 8lbs of sand and waited a few minutes then started filling the rest slowly, it wont hold more sand. This is nothing more than a placebo effect. The only way to get more time from a battery is to reduce the amount of consumption. The only way to do that is to use your phone less or make your hardware use the battery less such as undervolting your CPU. I tried for the longest time to explain to people that underclocking your CPU does absolutely nothing. If you're still running at the same voltage you're still consuming the same amount of power.
Stop messing around with the battery and the battery stats.
Could someone please use the phone until it goes off in the evening? What percentage is shown on the batteryicon when it goes off? 20% or what?
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Stop messing around with the battery and the battery stats.
Could someone please use the phone until it goes off in the evening? What percentage is shown on the batteryicon when it goes off? 20% or what?
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Actually it's not a good idea to fully discharge the phone often.
Source: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/
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Actually it's not a good idea to fully discharge the phone often.
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I know but once isnt often.
Btw we have some great battery threads here.. somewhere.. general or accessories forums..
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I know but once isnt often.
Btw we have some great battery threads here.. somewhere.. general or accessories forums..
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Yeah, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669497
I have been using ultimate juice defender and battery life has doubled with usual usage. Maybe this can be considered as an alternative to longer battery life
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Have you guys noticed any issue with the charging speed of this phone?
Last night when I went to sleep, 8PM (i know early), the battery was at 9 or 10 percent. I plugged it into the charger and all that. So this morning I go to remove the charger to check e-mail and what have you. 94%.... Come on, its 4:30 AM so that is eight and a half hours and not 100%?
Is this in the experience of anyone else? (Also do not let stock battery meter fool you, it doesn't show accurate measurement of the battery.) If not, what are you guys doing? Or is there anything I can do?
Honestly, 8 hours to charge your phone does not seem right. Something is wrong with your battery. The vibrant does take a long time to fully charge, but never 8+ hours. It usually takes mine a good 3-4 hours when my battery is dead.
I highly recommend download the application juice defender. Research and learn how to use it. It will save you tons of battery.
I'm currently on my 38th hour since the last time I unplugged my phone and I still have 8% battery. Btw, I've been using my phone for phone calls, texting, and playing games.
First of all thanks for the JuiceDefender tip, that looks very promising.
But do you turn your phone off at night to charge? Because I just turned my phone off like 20-25 minutes ago and it popped it all the way to 100% just as I was typing this response.
Any other suggestions, tips, or concerns from anyone, please share.
zaduma said:
First of all thanks for the JuiceDefender tip, that looks very promising.
But do you turn your phone off at night to charge? Because I just turned my phone off like 20-25 minutes ago and it popped it all the way to 100% just as I was typing this response.
Any other suggestions, tips, or concerns from anyone, please share.
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No, I leave my phone on. Usually with Wifi too.
Also, I have a simple wallpaper that is mainly black (it has some blue designs, but the wallpaper is mostly black). Having a black wallpaper saves battery as well because the color black consumes the least of amount of energy from our screens.
Well my homescreen is pretty black. Black mesh background, black icons (bettercut). Black bar mod. Just got done configuring juicedefender, even bought the pro version. Figure if it doesn't work out I can simply return within 24h. And, I will know within 24 if it is helping the draining.
Leaving Wifi/Bluetooth/etc on will suck your battery down. Turn it on only when you need it. This is true of all smart phones.
My Vibrant will charge to full in a couple of hours from dead. I get 10+ hours on a charge even with heavy use but I almost never use Wifi or BT so YMMV. I definitely get better battery life from the Vibrant than the old G1.
Curious if you could pay attention some time when your awake... my phone rarely charges past 98%. Wondering if your phone is charging up to 94% quickly, and then hovering or if it's actually taking 8 hours to get to that point?
Maybe you should get a replacement.
I can plug my phone in around 10pm and at 6am my battery sometimes says 98-99%, but normally is good to go shortly afterwards. I do turn my phone off at night and those that need me do have my home number too unless I'm traveling.
As well I normal usage is 6am-10pm or so and I have typically 40-60% left on the battery depending on the usage. Yes I do check the About Phone and not relying on the wacked out battery meter.
I don't leave wifi, gps or 3g on all the time simply because I don't need them. Id rather squeeze the battery than have something on that isn't being used anyways. Having that quick settings drop down in the Notification bar rocks.
I have the same issue. It always takes about 4.5 -6 hours to 'fully' charge my Vibrant from <10% regardless of whether the phone is on or off. Then after unplugging the charger, the battery info states that the battery is charged to 96%. My belief is that there are firmware issues with at least some TMO Vibrant phones. I'm also dubious of the USB charger. I've ordered a regular charger and I'll see if my suspicion surrounding the USB charging system is founded. Maybe...
zaduma said:
Have you guys noticed any issue with the charging speed of this phone?
Last night when I went to sleep, 8PM (i know early), the battery was at 9 or 10 percent. I plugged it into the charger and all that. So this morning I go to remove the charger to check e-mail and what have you. 94%.... Come on, its 4:30 AM so that is eight and a half hours and not 100%?
Is this in the experience of anyone else? (Also do not let stock battery meter fool you, it doesn't show accurate measurement of the battery.) If not, what are you guys doing? Or is there anything I can do?
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Mine takes about 3 hours to charge but I normally get about 13 hours a day on it with normal to serious use. I haven't had a problem with battery life since I purchased it but I have been trying new battery saving techniques to see how long I could make it last.
Currently using a mostly black background. Wifi only when I'm in the house. Brightness all the way up. Synching two email accounts and Facebook all day. Definitely getting the most out of the battery that I could expect.
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(Also do not let stock battery meter fool you, it doesn't show accurate measurement of the battery.) If not, what are you guys doing? Or is there anything I can do?
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Well mine takes a while but not that long. I'm going to try out the juiceDefender that was mentioned but the other thing I would recommend is the accurate battery mods that can be found in the Themes and apps section. You can flash with clock work and it's a great way to know what your battery is actually at so you can see how much you're using for various things.
Make sure your charger or USB port has high current output. There are some out there with only a few hundred milliamps. The phone will take nearly one amp and should charge in a few hours.
Excellent point. For me, I'm using the supplied Samsung USB to 110v adapter and I'm getting 4.5-6 hour charge times.
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Make sure your charger or USB port has high current output. There are some out there with only a few hundred milliamps. The phone will take nearly one amp and should charge in a few hours.
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Excellent point. For me, I'm using the supplied Samsung USB to 110v adapter and I'm getting 4.5-6 hour charge times.
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Also the USB cable is important too. 1 amp over a long, skinny 5 volt cable can drop the voltage. If the charging chip sees a lower voltage, it will think the USB port is at capacity.
I love this phone but I must be honest.. this phone is worst as the Motorola cliq battery wise. it's terrible. I had 100 percent battery life at 8am and at 10:50am I had 23 percent battery left............ no matter what I was doing.. even if I had the screen on full blast *i had it on the lowest* it still shouldn't be almost dead in 3 hours .... smh!
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I love this phone but I must be honest.. this phone is worst as the Motorola cliq battery wise. it's terrible. I had 100 percent battery life at 8am and at 10:50am I had 23 percent battery left............ no matter what I was doing.. even if I had the screen on full blast *i had it on the lowest* it still shouldn't be almost dead in 3 hours .... smh!
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One poorly written application running in the background could be causing the CPU to wake up constantly. Yet I can talk for hours and the battery will still be nearly full.
I know for sure one of the latest versions of Facebook ate batteries like crazy. I ended up installing an older version and my battery life returned.
Update on the issue. I was using juice defender but it wasn't doing anything for me as far as I could tell. I have since turned off vibrate on touch, and noises coming on during clicking. I am using a usb hub with two vibrants on it. I'll plug it into the wall tonight and see how that goes.
I have been turning off my wifi when not using it. A little better I suppose. While typing this I went from 49 to 46 percent and I am a fast typer. No wifi bluetooth gps.
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Yes the battery drains pretty fast, and it does take about 3 hours to charge... my main problem is... at night when I plug in to charge, couple hours later I get woken up by a beep and popup window telling me charging is done and to unplug...
anyone know how to turn that off?
After successfully booting into android for the first time my battery life in android skyrocketed down, but that didn't really bother me.
The real problem is that even in WINMO my battery life is less than half what it used to be, and even after a night (8 hours) of charging (In a wall socket, not USB) its not at 100%
this has me very worried, any ideas? thanks in advance!
did you read anything before you started this thread...........
yes, i did. everyone is having a problem when they charge in android it gets to 90% then they switch to winmo and within minutes it picks back up to 100%.
this is not the case for me, my battery does not jump back up, it drains quickly even in winmo, and when it gets low its not just reading it improperly it just dies, so no this is not the same problem
did you know there are fixes .......and that your problem is not new at all....i am sorry to say that this is a know problem and you would want to ask in the thread of what build you are using and if you really wanted help you would post what build your using and what kernal , but no one can help you at all when you simply state you have battery issues
drain your battery in winmo till it dies, so the battery resets, then charge the battery again till full, it should be allright again.
thank you dipdap i will try that
dipdap said:
drain your battery in winmo till it dies, so the battery resets, then charge the battery again till full, it should be allright again.
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I strongly advise you NOT to do so. Draining a Lithium-Ion battery entirely is detrimental to its overall life/capacity. So instead of ruining your battery (or going a step towards ruining it), simply turn off your phone, charge it until you get the green LED, boot back to WinMo and it should be alright. If it isn't, look for another way, but completely draining your battery should not be the method of choice.
nobody said to drain it copletely, just till winmo dies, which should be fine. I do this once every couple of months by accident, and have never had a problem. I agree that you should not drain the battery completely though, so, make sure as soon as winmo dies, plug in to a charger.
what rom are you running? I am using shubcraft 1.5 and mine charges to 99% And I can get a full day out of my battery with pretty decent use.
Are you using setcpu cause that could have a major impact also do you have wifi,gps or bt on. I know gps has been known to cause some major drain while in sleep mode.
There is also a thread where people are trying to find solutions to the high amount of drain in the development forum.
We use current widget to create a log and monitor Our drain. You should be seeing less than 10ma while sleep I usually see between 3-7ma while sleep
Funny how when you are watching your battery it drains faster. When you are watching the clock time goes slower.
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thank you dipdap i will try that
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You can look at this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=770903
It was very helpful for me to identify how much current is being used while in sleep mode and active.
Download "current widget" from market and monitor your current supply for 30 minutes during your phone's screen is off.
Yeah with the screen off you cant see any thing but thankfully the log will be written for the current widget every min.
If your current comes out to be bellow 10ma during this time then you are doing good and should last you one day of usage else you need to pinpoint what is drinking all the juice even while your phone sleeps
Read the thread ALL OF IT, it will help you understand better.
Cheers.
alright thanks for all the help guys, the battery drain actually worked although i felt strange doing it, but still my android life isn't so great, i would love for it to work completely though because the only wquivalent option on my carrier is the Captivate (Galaxy S) and that thing is ugly compared to the HD2
such problem
I have such problem with battery drain under WM, after i run and quit android, but i found a solution, just pull out your battery few times next just recharge it and it will be OK .
Ok so I know I've posted about my battery before but I still can't get any relief.. I'm running JT .9 and geekniks 12/19 kernel.. the past two nights my battery drained 30% over an 8 hour period, with no one touching it! During both these nights I turned off Auto-Sync, and yes GPS and WIFI are both off..
Just now I had my phone charging and it was at 47%.. I rebooted my phone (just my normal procedure about once a day) and when it came back up a few seconds later it was at 69%!!! What gives?!?! Anyone have any ideas??
I have tried re calibrating the battery by deleting the battery stats method.. I tried calling verizon to get the battery replaced but was told that my battery is acting normal.. ive tried different kernels with no noticiable difference.. if i take my phone off the charger at 100% and send just a few text messages it will be down to 95% within minutes.. im at a loss.. I'll post pics of my battery use screen in a bit but throughout the night i only went 1% without a signal.
Maybe try *228 Option 2 ..... ??
I had a bout of some wicked battery drain and it was because I needed to update my roaming.....
slvrevoix said:
Maybe try *228 Option 2 ..... ??
I had a bout of some wicked battery drain and it was because I needed to update my roaming.....
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I've tried that too.. question about that though.. I live about 30 miles from where I work.. should I update my roaming where I live or where I work or does that even matter?
Thanks for the response!
I have the exact same problem. Battery will drain for no apparent reason. I even bought a brand new battery, with still no luck. When I reboot the phone, as you said, something it will jump up 20%. I finally got fed up charging 4 times a day and ordered a refurbished phone. I'll let you know how that one works out.
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I have the exact same problem. Battery will drain for no apparent reason. I even bought a brand new battery, with still no luck. When I reboot the phone, as you said, something it will jump up 20%. I finally got fed up charging 4 times a day and ordered a refurbished phone. I'll let you know how that one works out.
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Please do.. Verizon give you the phone or did you just pay out of pocket?
Turn your 3G off overnight if you're not on the charger.
Wipe batt stats in CWM/advanced, charge until you get the full battery popup
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Turn your 3G off overnight if you're not on the charger.
Wipe batt stats in CWM/advanced, charge until you get the full battery popup
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I've tried wiping battery stats in CWM.. not sure how to turn off 3g.. Juice defender did it when I ran that but I didnt see an improvement and I didnt like the fact that it turned off 3g everytime my screen was off because then I don't get push on my emails.
Juice Defender has an on/off widget for 3G
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I've tried wiping battery stats in CWM.. not sure how to turn off 3g.. Juice defender did it when I ran that but I didnt see an improvement and I didnt like the fact that it turned off 3g everytime my screen was off because then I don't get push on my emails.
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although Juice Defender turns off your 3g when the screen is off, it also turns on your 3g for 1 minute every 15 minutes, so push notifications will be seen every 15 minutes (which I find totally acceptable to dramatically raise my battery life)
Just an fyi in case you didn't know.
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although Juice Defender turns off your 3g when the screen is off, it also turns on your 3g for 1 minute every 15 minutes, so push notifications will be seen every 15 minutes (which I find totally acceptable to dramatically raise my battery life)
Just an fyi in case you didn't know.
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yeah i was aware of that but i also didnt notice my battery life improve enough to use it.. if i would have noticed a dramatic improve i would have kept it.
At first I didn't notice an increase either, but after a day or 2. I get over 50% battery now
I just started charing my phone again.. it was at 70%.. i rebooted my phone and it jumped 14% to 84%... is it possible that the battery meter is just not accurate and when I reboot my phone it recalibrates everything and displays a true reading?
I can't remember where I read it, but I read that the phone doesn't portray an accurate reading. . If you charge to a hundred percent, the phone reduces the amount of power coming in but still shows full till removed from the charger, then it drops fast. Supposedly once it gets down to a certain percentage it starts charging again in bursts. This could explain why rebooting changes your percentage since the OS is showing the inaccurate reading.
I don't know if this is true or not, just something I read.
There's an excellent explanation of this here on xda. The thread is called "Your battery gauge is lying to you (and why that's not such a bad thing)" & I wish I could remember who wrote it so I could give him credit.
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Please do.. Verizon give you the phone or did you just pay out of pocket?
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I called VZW's Customer Service and told them about my issues and they sent me a refurbished one. Just got it today, and so far, I'm having the exact same issues.
I am only here because a friend of mine is looking to get a Fascinate and I was doing some research for him.
I have an Evo, and I gotta say, you only lost 30% in 8 hours? Lucky you! The Evo, when it first came out would only last about 8 hours off the charger from a full charge, without touching it. The state of things now is a lot better. I can go 16 hours off the charger and still have 70-50% battery left depending on how much I used it.
The biggest changes have been custom undervolted kernels with HAVS, CPU underclocking with screen off, and "SBC" which probably just stands for super battery charge.
The SBC kernels for the Evo fix the issue of the battery dropping to about 87% minutes after taking it off the charger. It changes the charging behavior after full charge, maintains a trickle charge to hold battery voltage at 4.2v instead of burst charging intermittently once "full"
You guys might want to have your kernel developers look over here and probably see if some secrets can be passed along:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=876590
There's a neverending cornucopia of battery improvements over in the Evo forum and I'd suggest you guys go make a search over there for "battery" because tons of the same fixes are going to apply here. Good luck
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I called VZW's Customer Service and told them about my issues and they sent me a refurbished one. Just got it today, and so far, I'm having the exact same issues.
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I had a lot of similiar issues with battery life, and I found different kernels and roms have a huge effect on the battery:
Every StupidFast kernel I tried would *significantly* increase battery drain over stock. I'm talking 4-5% per hour overnight with the phone idle and not being touched or doing anything whatsoever - no GPS, no Bluetooth, no WiFi, no apps running, just sitting there.
Every BlackHole ROM I tried would do pretty much the same, although not quite as drastic.
JT's SuperClean was consistently very good on the battery.
On DI01, I was using SuperClean .4 on the stock kernel and getting a solid 24 hours on a charge. With DJ05, there is no stock kernel, and I had issues with SuperClean and signal strength, so I'm using the 12/12 kernel with the stock rom (debloated) and I'm getting 72 hours on a charge with conservative use and easily 48 hours with moderate use.
If you're using StupidFast, I'd suggest flashing one of JT's kernels or stock (if you're still on DI01) and see what difference it makes.
I finally am getting decent battery life.. I did a clean wipe and installed black hole 2.4 with jt's 11/29 kernel and have noticed a great improvement! Only problem is I get the audio popping with this kernel but I'll live with that as long as my battery is better.
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So I've gotten my second refurbished fascinate from Verizon, and my battery life is still atrocious. However, how much does signal strength affect battery life? I get a dismal signal at my house, where my battery seems to drain like crazy. Can anyone confirm the relation?
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So I've gotten my second refurbished fascinate from Verizon, and my battery life is still atrocious. However, how much does signal strength affect battery life? I get a dismal signal at my house, where my battery seems to drain like crazy. Can anyone confirm the relation?
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They are directly related. If your phone if constantly trying to find a signal then this will drain your battery. Are you rooted, or totally stock?
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