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Hello there folks. Let me begin by introducing myself and my situation. My name is Damian, I am in the twelfth-grade and I am currently enrolled in my high-school's concurrent enrollment program with one of the local universities in which I have to write a paper concerning the field of software engineering.
I started this post with the intention of finding and asking certified software engineers a few questions concerning their professions.
I came to this particular forum because of the many brilliant folk here, and my assumption that certainly a portion of the active members are certified software engineers.
-Many thanks in advanced for your replies and imput,
-Damian
damiandarkwater said:
Hello there folks. Let me begin by introducing myself and my situation. My name is Damian, I am in the twelfth-grade and I am currently enrolled in my high-school's concurrent enrollment program with one of the local universities in which I have to write a paper concerning the field of software engineering.
I started this post with the intention of finding and asking certified software engineers a few questions concerning their professions.
I came to this particular forum because of the many brilliant folk here, and my assumption that certainly a portion of the active members are certified software engineers.
-Many thanks in advanced for your replies and imput,
-Damian
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I can answer questions in this field as I am a Software Engineer. I would be happy to give a young person such as yourself advice.
I actually didn't go into college right after high school, I wish I had but I incountered allot of hardship around your age. When I was 22 I went back to school and payed my own way through college, slept in my car in the college parking lot and lived off of peanut butter and jelly sandwhichs.
Honestly its your first job in software thats the hardest to get, but if your persistent you'll get it after that if your perform its pretty much smooth sailing. A good example is how everybody lately has had a hard time finding jobs (bad economy), and even I was laid off from a job where the company was doing great and then went south and I went on the market looking around and recruiters were calling non-stop and I had 2 jobs (one short term getting paid insane amounts of money for 200 hours of work, and then a long term contract after that), I took a vacation to vegas, paid of credit card debt and then started my long term contract.
So ask away!
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Oh I currently work for a large telecom company where I work ont here provisioning software. My main expertise is Java (j2se, j2ee blah blah) I also write reports (crystal, jfree and actuate), I also have alot of side skills like jsp, ajax, jquery. I actually have wirtten code professionally in all the major langs like c, c#, j# asp.net. As a software developer you constantly need to evolve and progress. I aslo done graphics professionally and If I had it my way I write videos games if I could but alas the life of a programmer is allot less glamorous than most people no.
Many thanks, I'm sorry to hear about your tough times, but I'm glad to hear things have settled out.
I want to say its great that your able to help me and thank you for your tux theme and scripts.
I am actually looking into dealing with my computers as a profession after collage.
So I begin (thanks again):
What courses and or certifications do you need.
What is a typical day in your job like?
Do you enjoy your job?
And you can tell me anything else that you believe to be important that I may have missed.
-Thanks again
Damian
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Many thanks, I'm sorry to hear about your tough times, but I'm glad to hear things have settled out.
I want to say its great that your able to help me and thank you for your tux theme and scripts.
I am actually looking into dealing with my computers as a profession after collage.
So I begin (thanks again):
What courses and or certifications do you need.
What is a typical day in your job like?
Do you enjoy your job?
And you can tell me anything else that you believe to be important that I may have missed.
-Thanks again
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My tough times where years ago. I've been in the field for almost 10 years.
The first thing you want todo is get a bachelors degree in computer science. Take as many courses as you can in which you will get exposed to writing software, understanding logic and being able to solve problems using logic. But the most important thing is have a specailty something that you know above all other things, be it a certain language or software... good expample is SAP, I have a friend who is a project manager for a very very large electronics manufacturer. they are paying a contractor to do SAP programming and they pay him 500$ dollars an hour... yes 500$ and hour now its not a permanent job but he's making more in a month than most people make in a couple of years. Thats his specailty and its a hard one to break into.
So once you get your degree you can concentrate on what your specailty will be this is where certs come in. Certs are great but don't pay for them, get a job in the field and get them to pay, this is because most of them expire and you usually have to renew them every couple of years. But the look good on your resume especailly if a company pays as this gives the impression that you are a go getter and that the company beleives in you. Your specailty might relate to your degree major or it might be what your first major job is, this is just luck of the draw.
So a typicaly day, wow its hard to say. Sometimes its go go go and I'm writing code like crazy. Other days its talk talk talk and meetings. Sometimes I spend days writing tech specs or documents to give overviews and estimations on software that needs to be written. Think office space it really is allot like that. One thing alot of people don't know about being a software developer is that you not only need to understand how to write software (ie solve problems) but you also need to undersand the industry in which you write software for. This means you need to understand the business process. So think if you were writing software for a burger company, you need to understand how orders are processed, how iventory is processed and used blah blah. This is where probably the hardest part it almost a second job.
Do I like my job.... as someone who had mowed lawns and dug ditches for a living making money that wouldnt even feed one person, yes I actually love my job. I worked hard to get where I'm at I make pretty good money, my wife doesn't have to work, My kids have more than I had as a little kid and the work I do is satisfying.
If there one thing I could stress when it comes to this line of work. You have to love software, so much so that you willing to work long hours and then come home and write more software as a hobby (maybe i did atleast). Or when you hit college start a pet project and see it through. These are the things that will set you apart from other developer coming out of college. Especailly when you don't have much on your resume, and honestly these are the question potential employers ask (hobbies, personal projects).
How bout this... I give you an hour by hour blog for the next week on what I'm doing at work.
I'm currently working on a rewrite... code fix for code that the company I work for now decided to outsource. This code ended up being terrible and was somethign I was thrown into when I arrived here about 8 months ago. I just started this project about 3 weeks ago and before that I spent about 4weeks evaluating and writing custom testing suites to produce metrics scores for this software compared to the previous version of this software (ie compare say version 5 to version 6). I was the one who found all the bugs and areas of concern and gave estimates on hours of work to fix these things.
So I might be off tomorrow, if I am I will report so. If not then I will start the hour by hour blog if you like.
Such a blog would be amazing (and id read up hourly for updates trust me, this sounds fascinating!)but I wouldn't want to detract from your life anymore then I already have, you work hard and I imagine that you would want to have time to yourself for your hobbies and your family.
Thank you very much. I could ask a million more questions, but again, I don't want to take away to much time. Thanks a billion
No really i want to answer them I wish I had been in you're shoes when I was your age. I didn't have some one telling that I could do it... computer were different back then hell I didn't own my own computer till I was in my twenties.
Ill do the blog for you... one if the perks of being on a computer. Like I said just at work tho. When I get home I can't promise when I be able to post.
So ask question one at a time since I tend to be long winded... it makers it easier... honestly when I retire I plan on teaching at a tech college... but thats about 20 years away. But I love to answer question about these things.
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Great
Well what was learning your first programming language like
Do you think knowing a markup language helps or would help in the learning process?
What do you think the software engineering world will be like in a few years?
Is there any particular aspect of the computer world you like most?
Do you still keep in contact with any of your professors or colleges?
Hey Asimmons, thanks for helping damian out. I'm in the same boat he is, and I'm finding this really useful! Thanks a lot!
Glad I can help I was in you guys shoes once. And know that feeling of uncertainty... ill answer more tomorrow for you guys and start the blog.
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I know I've said it tons, but I mean it, thank you ASimmons. And I'm glad this post can help others
damiandarkwater said:
Great
Well what was learning your first programming language like
Do you think knowing a markup language helps or would help in the learning process?
What do you think the software engineering world will be like in a few years?
Is there any particular aspect of the computer world you like most?
Do you still keep in contact with any of your professors or colleges?
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Mark up languages are very important, but I wouldn't focus a career on them. Languages like html, dhtml or xml are skills you will pickup along the way, understanding how these langs are parsed and used by other languages are very important and is a valuable skill to have. Especially in Java and with the emergence of real time web applications that uses technologies like ajax, jquery and now html5 it is more important to understand the usage and capabilities of these languages rather than focus on just knowing how to write a webpage.
The future of software will be more and more web based and mobile application. as we have seen in the corporate world for the last 5 or so years application that were once only possible on the desktop have moved entirely to web based app. This makes deployments and updates easier to maintain, version control easier, and with technologies like html5, ajax used in conjunctions with SOA and SAAS these apps perform just as well or better than the app you use to see run on your desktop. Take MS Office 365 and their cloud software for this, this is essentially an SAAS (software as a service) you lease the software it doesn't run locally anymore and the software and its worries and maintenance are pushed to the software vendors, we start to see this more and more. Google has been at the for front of this, and expect to see computers in the near future that are just dummy terminals that run only the basics and all your important software is pushed to a corporate cloud. I'm not saying desktop pcs will disappear but downloadable software will begin to especially in the corporate world.
I pretty much like anything that has to do with technology. I love the history of computers since I grew up and pretty much watch the birth of the home pc and remmeber when the 486dx came out and it was considered the best computer you could get. I remember using the trs-80 in typing class and the atari 2600 (still have one) kelico vision and then the nintendo (still have that to).
And yes I do stay in contact with the department head from my old college. I still use her as a reference from time to time since I worked in college for a little as a tutor (best job to get.. I recommend this if you can). College is about learning in large part but secondly its about contacts and networking. Make sure your networking in college, know your peers and previous alumni. Introduce your self and make sure to attend functions, since the will be potential co-workers or bosses.
So its mondays... I going to maybe do every couple of hours every hours might be to much. But I'm about to dive in to a ton of spaghetti code and try and make some since of it. This is especially ORM (look this up) code for an oracle database, and I'm trying to fix what is broken without having to actually rewrite the whole thing (if it was up to me I would). Be back in a couple of hours.
So its just after 2 and I've had to switch task to help another developer. This is pretty common and as a developer you have to be able to multi task.
So I'm working in creating a way for dynamic where clause can be built or just passed to and object DAO class.
The implementation I'm trying to fix is currently building them in a very static and non reusable way. When you design code it has be thought out and designed in such a way so that things like maintenance on said code is taken into account, and that repeatable processes are written in such a way that the can be reusable. This seems to have non of that.
If your looking at a package or program and see common re-occuring methods then this would be considered bad (imo) and should be re-evaluated and or rewritten so that this process can be written in one spot and referenced be other, this way if bugs or changes need to occur in this process you only have to change it there, this is the most common principle in OOP design but you be amazed at how much it is abused.
While you might be saving time up front your creating time on the back end for thing like code maintenance, upgrades or bug fixes.
It's about 5 for me and I just got home from school. I was at a friends house trying to understand a virus her computer contracted. (smart engine, annoying little thing, but its all better now.)
I'm looking into ORM as I type this. Interesting o:
I ask about the markup languages because ill be taking an html5 course next term. Makes sense that id learn about them along the way.
Sounds like you can handle quite a bit all at once, does that develop with time?
Html 5 is not like the previous htmls. So yeah this will be the next big internet language think web apps and pages that are totally dynamic. Good choice.
The multi tasking can be learned... good habits and time management... mostly learning the most basic of issues there's probably 5 or so and how the efficiently solve the problems and with what tools. Tools are very important every thing from ant or scripts to automate task to custom libraries.
Here's one, it's sort of a snarky developer joke.
You can have software.. done fast, done cheap and done right. You can only choose two though.
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Hey Sorry
Sorry I been super busy. There small a small re-org in my department and I changed cubicals (this office space) and now I sit next to the "I've done it all programmer". The I've done it all programming can do everything, and its was always easier.
So hows the paper going?
Done!
It was a pleasure to write after talking with you, thank-you.
I get my grade sometime next week.
Thank you Simmons I am in 9th grade and am in a it trade school and I have thinking of going more for software thank you for all this I will finish reading these when I get home
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-announces-android-at-home-framework/
I understand this is a bit off topic (not directly Evo related), but I thought I'd still throw this out there because it may help me. I am working on a competitive analysis report in home automation and wanted to see if anyone had thoughts on this technology. With the announcement of [email protected], this went straight to the top of the list.
Do you think developers are excited to get their hands on this technology? Google mentions the creation of an alarm app that slowly turns the lights on to wake you up, etc. Although the company I just started working for is a few years ahead of Google in this aspect, the robustness and amount of resources available to Google has us wanting to keep a close eye on them.
I personally think that they do have potential here with these ideas, but it would require a lot of effort which they may or may not be willing to do.
I am by no means an expert in this field but what I do think Google's role in this field will be a large one. Having a big name in that arena can help propel smart home technologies in a way that is beneficial to all companies that are in sector.
I think at the end what they will bring is unity just how they did in the smart phone arena.
I'd be all for it. The more things I can eliminate and replace with my phone (which is a must-have anyway), the better.
My question is is Sony going to team up with Google Sony wanted to do this with the ps3 before it came out but I don't think it worked out so well or they cut that idea out of the plan lol
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I am in full support of it...I love the idea and concept.
This epic reply brought to you by none other than my roxx'd out Evo.
I'd like to see this come to fruition, but I'm also intersted in what microsoft is doing with home automation. They have some pretty cool ideas that they are working with.
I could definitely see something like this being a benefit. A novel, but not entirely surprising, idea for more control / automation. +Tasker support and this could pwn.
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I am in full support of it...I love the idea and concept.
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I have to agree with you. I have been thinking of some great use cases that may be possible with this technology.
I like this technology idea, however I don't think it should be limited to just Android but should include iOS/Windows, etc.. and be an open spec. I think there are a few things that are stunting this technology growth which I will go over here in this long sleepy thread, which was the only one I could find on XDA in search. This highlights my first point very well.
1. Interest:
There is simply not enough interest for this technology that could be so amazingly cool. First people have to be interested in smartphones and then they also have to be interested in home automation. I have been ever since I've head of Gates's "smart house" and even before then when many of these ideas were covered in sci-fi flicks of the past.
2. Price and Practicality:
Let's face it, anyone who wants home automation right now will pay through the nose for it. This will also lock out many, I mean why pay money to turn on a light remotely when you can just walk over there and do it yourself. What practical purpose does it serve? The disabled is an obvious market that would benefit from such technology but generally most things I see for the disabled cost an arm and a leg because I think they expect people to gouge their insurance companies for the cash.
3. Implementation:
Most people are idiots and can't even figure out how to wire in a light socket, let alone a smart one where you can adjust it remotely from thousands of miles away. They would have to hire a contractor to install/upgrade things/run any wire (more secure than wireless,) etc... which also costs that money thing.
4. Fragmentation:
There are already quite a few competing technologies for home automation. x10 is probably one of the more obvious ones. That's why I say it shouldn't be [email protected], it should be [email protected] or something like that and work across as many mobile devices/computers as possible.
Why am I writing this now? Yesterday my space heater shorted out on me, so at the moment I'm using my dad's spare to keep warm. I'd like to shut it on and off when I'm not at home, specifically to turn it on 30 minutes to an hour before I get home so it's not absolutely frigid when I do. I can't find any home automated space heaters online, anywhere. These should be a thing.
Why here? I love XDA, more specifically I love the people who are developers. If an open standard were to be developed where anyone could modify hardware to work with it I'd expect you guys to come up with the most amazing stuff, especially on the phone/controller end. Also I'm hoping that when this gets big enough that the mods will give mobile home automation a separate subforum as well.
Sony had wanted to do this a long time ago I don't really seeing this going anywhere as dude above said most people can't figure half their crap out nor want to drop money in their house if everything works
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I know cost is a bit high but I work with a supplier in this field. Name is Crestron with an app in market https://market.android.com/details?id=com.crestron.mobile.android.free that already does controllers and systems that work within a home. I work in audio visual in regards to these systems that can be controlled with a phone or touch panel. Pretty cool stuffs.
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Can you explain the difference between free and pro (for $100!) Just wondering.
There is also autom8 but the server is for windows and I use linux :/
It would be nice if there was a complete list of apps/information on this somewhere.
I haven't specifically looked at the paid vs free Creston apps, but in order for you to use the app you need to first own a Creston system. And per the point made earlier, cost is definitely a limiting factor. $100 for the app is nothing compared to the system. A good whole home Creston automation system (excluding their low end prodigy line) would probably run you over $100k. There are cheaper options out there, but cost is still a big issue which is exaggerated by the fragmentation of the industry.
I have not heard much more about Androids home automation system since the initial announcements. Since then apple has also made plans to enter the arena. Many companies have tried in the past...like ibm...but most fail. Goggle has already suspended it's energy division which is closely related to automation. It will be interesting to watch this market grow as I'm sure it will...
Yeah I remember at Google IO all the lights and stuff they showed off and said a company(forget who exactly) would have some out in the later year but this obviously never happened.
Regardless to do automation you have to change out a ton of things in the home and it gets costly like others have said. Prolly the cheapest is getting stuff like zwave devices switches and controling stuff that route.
I looked into crestron here but it was deff costly. Wouldn't be the 10k you said since my home isn't huge but it was not cheap in the very least still.
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Yes, super expensive. But some times you can piece together the systems to get a result you'd love. Guy I work with got the main control unit for 200 bucks. Sounds expensive but its typically a ton more than that lol. Having the Ethernet version of the controller allows him to use his home network and his EVO to send out these commands like turn on tv and at same time turn on surround sound. Or when dvd player is turned on also turn on tv and dim the lights. Just little things like that.
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I think they would be do to the fact that we always want one remote for everything rather then the 4 I have now. I think they will come out with alot of things that will be pretty cool.
Watch A Galaxy S2 Run Two Instances Of Android At The Same Time With New Experimental Virtualization Tech
Go ahead and file this one in the Super Cool Tech category. A Russian blog, Rozetked.ru, posted video of a Galaxy S2 running two copies of Android at the same time. The three-and-a-half minute video takes us through a demo switching between a pair of ROMs while playing music from both, proving that the hardware resources can be shared. After the audio segment, we are shown decently high frame rates on a 3D benchmarking app and Angry Birds. According to the team behind the project, running two concurrent instances of Android only takes about 10% off of battery life while the impact on system speed is negligible. Unfortunately, the voiceover and original subtitles are in Russian, but the automatic translation on YouTube does a passable job of clearing things up for the rest of us. (You may need to manually enable subtitles.)
The project comes from a team of students at the St. Petersburg University of Russian Academy of Sciences in collaboration with Parallels, a company well-known for its cloud computing and virtualization products. We reached out to Parallels, and they were happy to confirm the video's legitimacy.
I can assure you that this video states total truth. Indeed, Parallels has strong connection to the project evolvement. The technology’s been researched by group of students in Parallels Lab (it is our own educational laboratories in leading Russian Universities) at St. Petersburg University of Russian Academy of Sciences. To be specific, it is an experimental student project supervised by Parallels pros. The technology allows running multiple Android isolated environments on single Android device - effective and scalable with low overhead on virtualization. Yet it is still a technology with plans for further product development.
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As you can see, development is still in the early stages, meaning this might not be available as a product for quite a while. And when it does become a product, locked bootloaders and a wide variety of driver-related issues will probably make manual installation impractical for average users and expensive for the company to support. More likely, Parallels will license the software to OEMs like Samsung and HTC and bundle it with devices, or include it as part of a firmware update. Despite a few potential hurdles to get over, this advancement really is something to be excited about. The potential for virtualization in the mobile space is amazing, and may ultimately lead to the next revolution in how we use our devices.
Thanks, Denis Mukhin.
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Yup...Finally you'd be able to have a work phone and a personal phone altogether within the same device. I wonder if this will finally start promoting better dual-sim phones.
its awesome may be soon we get this on our sgs2
Awesome
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its awesome may be soon we get this on our sgs2
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Wish for the best.... AWESOME :highfive:
Hi,
I have started using a note 10.1 as a teaching aid, although I dont think I have been doing it the right way round.
I was using it to control my desktop so I could move slides on the interactive whiteboard, this became tedious as it was too slow and just a glorified mousepad.
In the new term I want to pair it up with a allshare cast hub, after using it at home a lot most of the tool I have on the whiteboard are already on the note, but better on the note. My intention is to sit with the students rather than stand at the front, I do this for most of the lesson anyway.
Recently I went on the Google Certified Teacher course and it has changed my teaching a fair bit, I use Google drive to upload all my lessons and the students can move at their own pace as they ALL have chromebooks (apart from the ones who have used said chromebooks to hit others round the head with on the bus on the way home.....they are still waiting for screen repairs).
My question is does anyone else do this? I did notice a couple of people post in other threads that they use them for teaching. I think this really is the way forward in the classroom. Most of the other teachers think I am mad for refusing an ipad - most also dont know much about using technology and wouldnt know an apk from an xls. I teach maths, any advice or discussion on how we can use these really well in the classroom would be great.
Thanks BTW for all the great info on here, I may even root my note 2 soon as its now out of warranty, I have no intention of replacing this though as think its pretty much the pinnacle of phones in their current design, maybe the note 4 will tempt me but doubt it. I have used this type of kit since the psion, then the XDA (htc) with win mobile, then the dark side for a short interlude, so glad I have control of my tech again :good:
How could it be out of warranty? You have a year unless you have voided it some how
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How could it be out of warranty? You have a year unless you have voided it some how
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Because I have had it over a year, I was referring to my note 2, hence the comment "I may even root my note 2".
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My question is does anyone else do this?
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While there appears to be a couple of people here that use these for teaching, I would be fairly certain that you are definitely a trailblazer of sorts on this extensive of use in the classroom. I love the idea and will definitely keep an eye out for what you are able to accomplish. My mother is a first grade teacher and is constantly having me set up more things that allow her to better utilize the tools at her disposal. This will be a thread that I want to watch for sure.
That said, sorry that I cannot be of more help.
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I will give you an idea of what I do at present.
When I set a lesson up it is aimed at the level of the class, which is generally more specific than a topic in a text book. I know what the students (majority!) are missing in terms of skills for a particular topic, and where I want to get them. This is often different to what is written in the text book. Text books do not cover misconceptions very well, I like to set certain questions up knowing exactly the wrong answers that will be given, purposely setting traps in a way.
So I set up my lesson using the 'interactive' books and other resources I have designed myself. Specifically cutting and pasting what I want, and shifting round into an order that I want. This then is exported from the interactive whiteboard software to pdf, then uploaded into the class shared google drive folder. Ultimately I want to start the class off at the front, some will race away and be pages ahead of others, some will be slower than the majority so both of these groups have their chromebooks to follow the lesson at their pace. The majority follows me at, or rather I judge the pace of the majority and work to it so perhaps I follow them,
The note comes into play when I am moving around the room, I can demo misconceptions as they crop up, show worked examples and get students to write these up on the board without getting out of their seats. One thing that I do miss is the equation editing function in Snote, this would have been perfect for the higher grades to see equations balancing and to play with themselves. I can of course still use my phone to do this as well, but the students tell me off for getting my phone out as they are not allowed......I tell them its not a phone, its a tablerone.....or a phablet.....you choose
Ok so a little background on my job. I currently work for the ONLY school in the world (confirmed by Samsung South Korea) that is at a full 1:1 ratio with the Galaxy Note 10.1 GT-N8013 and I am the admin running everything behind the scenes. We currently have 800+ Galaxy note 10.1 in our student and staff's hands. EVERYONE in our building has a tablet including TA's, ILC TA's, Kitchen Staff, Before and After School staff and our building engineer. We use the tablets 75%-90% of the day. It just depends on what grade level you are talking about (K-5). The tablets have been used for the last year and a half and they are used in EVERY subject, the students also take the tablets home everyday. On top of that we are also running a Samsung School Demo http://www.samsung.com/global/business/mobile/solution/education/samsungschool Now with this demo we have a 75-inch and 65-inch touchscreen TV and 55 students with 3 teachers running the demo. This tool is AMAZING for our students, they keep the students engaged and that was one of the points. We also have Promethean boards in every classroom.... With an Allshare Cast Dongle and ATV Pro VGA to HDMI converter we use all of our basic VGA projectors to mirror the devices on the board and with a PC hooked up to Computer 2 VGA input we are able to run the interactive whiteboard samsung provides. Our goal is to be TOTALLY wireless this next school year. And the school district I work in is an APPLE district they ONLY offer the iPad for school purchases, so I know the feeling even our district CIO was like WTF are you doing. When we gave him a galaxy note 10.1 he quickly shut up and was like OH WOW this thing is powerfull we are actually working on a deal with Samsung to replace or drop the price for the 2014 edition and we trade in the 2012 edition..... so far things are looking very good. I am actually traveling to the US HQ in New Jersey this summer to get some certified training and higher level talks about support. PM me if you have any questions that way we aren't taking up to many resources on the actual forum.
Thanks for the input Mike. We are the worlds first 1:1 chromebook school, like yourselves the students take these home. I think they are too fragile but they are changing the way the students learn although not too many teachers are yet fully realising the resources available. I teach 11-18, mainly focussed at 15/16 year olds taking their GCSE in the UK.
I think the discussion should be public on the forum so others can join in.
How are the devices linked to the promethean boards? Mine is a cambridge/starboard. I tried to use Teamviewer but the transfer of data would turn a circle drawn on the tablet into a polygon on the board. Also the input on the note would only input to the cursor position on the software on the pc (hope you understand what I mean).
I did not try with the allshare cast fully, it was a demo from Samsung where I had about a week to try it, with a full teaching timetable and mock exams to mark I didnt make the most of it, but I did go out shortly after Christmas to buy this note as I much preferred it to an ipad - this is my own and not the schools though.
Is there software for the note that we can use through the allshare or are apps like ezpdf / snote / lecture notes suitable?
Ultimately I dont think the hardware is a concern, whether it is a chromebook or a note (the note is the better option) or an ipad. It is the use of the resources. Recently I have forced myself to start with cloud computing a lot more and where I used to think it was a step backwards using google sheets I now realise its a leap forward when you bring scripts into the mix, especially with forms for collecting results and setting questions.
I can see a massive market in apps for education, very simple topic based apps for revision, if any devs are interested I have the maths expertise and pedagogy but no time to develop at the moment......
It would be nice to see Samsung produce a full educational tool (discounted, or perhaps marketed with select advertising), not a mass market tablet/chromebook etc. Whichever company manages this first will take over the market I think.
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I will give you an idea of what I do at present.
When I set a lesson up it is aimed at the level of the class, which is generally more specific than a topic in a text book. I know what the students (majority!) are missing in terms of skills for a particular topic, and where I want to get them. This is often different to what is written in the text book. Text books do not cover misconceptions very well, I like to set certain questions up knowing exactly the wrong answers that will be given, purposely setting traps in a way.
So I set up my lesson using the 'interactive' books and other resources I have designed myself. Specifically cutting and pasting what I want, and shifting round into an order that I want. This then is exported from the interactive whiteboard software to pdf, then uploaded into the class shared google drive folder. Ultimately I want to start the class off at the front, some will race away and be pages ahead of others, some will be slower than the majority so both of these groups have their chromebooks to follow the lesson at their pace. The majority follows me at, or rather I judge the pace of the majority and work to it so perhaps I follow them,
The note comes into play when I am moving around the room, I can demo misconceptions as they crop up, show worked examples and get students to write these up on the board without getting out of their seats. One thing that I do miss is the equation editing function in Snote, this would have been perfect for the higher grades to see equations balancing and to play with themselves. I can of course still use my phone to do this as well, but the students tell me off for getting my phone out as they are not allowed......I tell them its not a phone, its a tablerone.....or a phablet.....you choose
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What is the whiteboard app you use? I am going to be teaching english in china next year and think I could use the note as a great teaching tool.
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What is the whiteboard app you use? I am going to be teaching english in china next year and think I could use the note as a great teaching tool.
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You can use whatever you need. Snote, lecture notes etc.
I tend to import my older smartboard docs to PDF, then use these to write over.
The key to all of this is google drive, using the forms, and sheets on here.
Have a look at the forms on google drive, you can set up question sheets with ease, self marking or multiple choice, all answers go straight into a spreadsheet for data. As a teacher in the UK I spend more time inputting data now than I do planning lessons (which is wrong!!!), google forms allows me to plan the lesson and get the data automatically. Designing the form is part of lesson planning. Once done of course they are reusable unlike photocopied worksheets.
All of this requires students to have access to a device, many school now allow a 'bring you own device' concept so a lot can access this stuff on their smartphones. The school I work at (http://www.ipaca.uk.com/) has 1:1 chromebooks that the students take home.
redsurfbus said:
You can use whatever you need. Snote, lecture notes etc.
I tend to import my older smartboard docs to PDF, then use these to write over.
The key to all of this is google drive, using the forms, and sheets on here.
Have a look at the forms on google drive, you can set up question sheets with ease, self marking or multiple choice, all answers go straight into a spreadsheet for data. As a teacher in the UK I spend more time inputting data now than I do planning lessons (which is wrong!!!), google forms allows me to plan the lesson and get the data automatically. Designing the form is part of lesson planning. Once done of course they are reusable unlike photocopied worksheets.
All of this requires students to have access to a device, many school now allow a 'bring you own device' concept so a lot can access this stuff on their smartphones. The school I work at (http://www.ipaca.uk.com/) has 1:1 chromebooks that the students take home.
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Hmmm thats pretty cool. I've been contemplating methods for teaching while over there. They put a huge emphasis on the rules of the language. Grammatically I doubt I can keep up with some of them. Where they tend to fall short is the actual conversational application of the language. Took 4 months to teach a foreign girl the concept of sarcasm. I was thinking that writing semtences on the fly that they could read off of a board and guiding them through the nuances of the language would be more help than yet another class teaching just the rules.
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Hmmm thats pretty cool. I've been contemplating methods for teaching while over there. They put a huge emphasis on the rules of the language. Grammatically I doubt I can keep up with some of them. Where they tend to fall short is the actual conversational application of the language. Took 4 months to teach a foreign girl the concept of sarcasm. I was thinking that writing semtences on the fly that they could read off of a board and guiding them through the nuances of the language would be more help than yet another class teaching just the rules.
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Haha, it has taken me so far 7 years to get my GF who is Polish to understand sarcasm. It is a nuance that is lost on many, and offensive to others yet often the sharpest form of wit
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Haha, it has taken me so far 7 years to get my GF who is Polish to understand sarcasm. It is a nuance that is lost on many, and offensive to others yet often the sharpest form of wit
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I think that english humor is severely lost on most other people. But, it's beneficial for someone looking to operate in an international business environment, hence china's huge import of native enlglish teachers. What really amazes me is that these schools don't require you to speak any chinese!!
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Thanks for the input Mike. We are the worlds first 1:1 chromebook school, like yourselves the students take these home. I think they are too fragile but they are changing the way the students learn although not too many teachers are yet fully realising the resources available. I teach 11-18, mainly focussed at 15/16 year olds taking their GCSE in the UK.
I think the discussion should be public on the forum so others can join in.
How are the devices linked to the promethean boards? Mine is a cambridge/starboard. I tried to use Teamviewer but the transfer of data would turn a circle drawn on the tablet into a polygon on the board. Also the input on the note would only input to the cursor position on the software on the pc (hope you understand what I mean). As far as connecting goes...here you go. We use Basic VGA Projectors, we can go fancy, but it is just way to expensive to replace every VGA projector in our building with a HDMI projector. We basically have an Allshare Cast Dongle connected to ATV PRO http://www.amazon.com/Kanex-ATVPRO-AirPlay-Mirroring-Projector/dp/B0082AFROO which is connected to the VGA. And because HDMI is an All in one Sound/Video. The ATV PRO has an Audio out plug that we connect the Promethean speakers to. With the allshare cast dongle we are able to manually show student tablets on the screen. I found http://www.bestbuy.com/site/rocketf...iver/7511057.p?id=1218851304131&skuId=7511057 a RocketFish Miracast that is suppose to mirror the WHOLE device like the allshare cast does, but finding one here local is HARD! The RocketFish is half the price of the Samsung Allshare Cast and does everything the Samsung one does. But the price is $100 to outfit our classrooms with an allshare cast and ATV pro, compared to $1000+ for projector upgrades per classroom and $70 per room for the allshare cast
I did not try with the allshare cast fully, it was a demo from Samsung where I had about a week to try it, with a full teaching timetable and mock exams to mark I didnt make the most of it, but I did go out shortly after Christmas to buy this note as I much preferred it to an ipad - this is my own and not the schools though. Most school districts at least here in the States will reimburse you for a "school" purchase, see if yours will do that and then you can go out and buy one.
Is there software for the note that we can use through the allshare or are apps like ezpdf / snote / lecture notes suitable? The Allshare Cast Dongle will totally mirror your device. If you are playing a game or watching a movie........ EVERYTHING you do on your tablet is mirrored to your screen including taking pictures or videos. All apps work with the allshare cast.
Ultimately I dont think the hardware is a concern, whether it is a chromebook or a note (the note is the better option) or an ipad. It is the use of the resources. Recently I have forced myself to start with cloud computing a lot more and where I used to think it was a step backwards using google sheets I now realise its a leap forward when you bring scripts into the mix, especially with forms for collecting results and setting questions.Yes this is true. Our school district is a GOOGLE APPS District and the push for Google APPS this year is amazing. I also thought it was a step backwards, but it saves SO many resources..... less printing, lost papers, forgot homework at home. Those are no longer excuses the students make.
I can see a massive market in apps for education, very simple topic based apps for revision, if any devs are interested I have the maths expertise and pedagogy but no time to develop at the moment......Very True! According to Samsung and Google the Google for Education Play store was suppose to be open to ALL samsung devices by the end of Feb.....well it is here now and there is no sign of this Education Store. So if you are using anything android a VPP program is not available right now or even the near future. Apple was smart about getting their edu store up and running with VPP (Volume Purchasing Program)
It would be nice to see Samsung produce a full educational tool (discounted, or perhaps marketed with select advertising), not a mass market tablet/chromebook etc. Whichever company manages this first will take over the market I think. I actually had a dinner meeting with National Director Enterprise Sales for Samsung last week. And that was one of the discussion points. The WHOLE education market needs a makeover with Samsung, they have beautiful devices, cutting edge tech, but when you pump out 125 products in 1 fiscal year..... how do you market it? How do you even support that!
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I think that english humor is severely lost on most other people. But, it's beneficial for someone looking to operate in an international business environment, hence china's huge import of native enlglish teachers. What really amazes me is that these schools don't require you to speak any Chinese
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A own an English school in China and though I can speak some Chinese, in class, I only speak English. It forces the student to think and process the language differently rather than relying on translation. Naturally, it means that teachers really need to think outside the box when trying to explain new language points or concepts but I have found that in the long run, the students ability to use and comprehend the language is much better. That said, each student has their own way to learn and process language, so this method doesn't work for everyone (though in my 12 years in China, most do well after an initial adjustment period).
Using the N10. 1 in the class would be awesome....my mind is full of new ideas....thanks too all in this thread for the inspiration. :good:
Belligerance said:
A own an English school in China and though I can speak some Chinese, in class, I only speak English. It forces the student to think and process the language differently rather than relying on translation. Naturally, it means that teachers really need to think outside the box when trying to explain new language points or concepts but I have found that in the long run, the students ability to use and comprehend the language is much better. That said, each student has their own way to learn and process language, so this method doesn't work for everyone (though in my 12 years in China, most do well after an initial adjustment period).
Using the N10. 1 in the class would be awesome....my mind is full of new ideas....thanks too all in this thread for the inspiration. :good:
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Aah Can't wait to get out there myself. I'm going to work for a stunt company but after that ends trading to stay there awhile
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I teach English, IELTS and SAT at a school Bangkok, Thailand. All we have is wifi and overhead projectors connected to PCs. I have a Note 10.1 2014 which I use with MirrorOp Pro for Galaxy to mirror my tablet screen on the overhead projector through a PC. Works great. The sender software is $10 on Google Play and the receiver software (for PC) is free. This is a great way to do presentations while walking around the room monitoring students.
I've just come across Phoenix OS and tried it out. While it works great for my purposes, I began to wonder about something. You know how there are stories in the news all the time about foreign countries, particularly China, Russia and North Korea are always finding ways of hacking into US secured sites and what not? How do we know that Phoenix isn't sharing all of our private info with hackers or something? I know it sounds paranoid, but we live in that sort of world now. Any thoughts? (Other than I'm crazy delusional, paranoid and don't use it.) Thanks.
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I've just come across Phoenix OS and tried it out. While it works great for my purposes, I began to wonder about something. You know how there are stories in the news all the time about foreign countries, particularly China, Russia and North Korea are always finding ways of hacking into US secured sites and what not? How do we know that Phoenix isn't sharing all of our private info with hackers or something? I know it sounds paranoid, but we live in that sort of world now. Any thoughts? (Other than I'm crazy delusional, paranoid and don't use it.) Thanks.
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Dude, after Snowden, the NSA leaks, and homeland security policy, you've honestly have a hell of a lot more to worry about domestically from your own country to be worried about any foreign nation trying to hack your system. The fact this app is made in a foreign land isn't something that should elevate concern, it's whether or not it connects to the internet and you happen to use it to do anything. That's the threat vector you should be worried about always. The fact you even posed this question implies you're somehow more secure on Windows 10 or Android in general just because they're not developed in China. I honestly trust these guys more than I ever would Microsoft or any other company Snowden's leaks long identified as part of Prism. Think Windows 10 forces updates only for our well being? They upload and download files constantly. My laptop has never been as quiet as when I'm on PhoenixOS. It's serene how at ease it is compared to the constant activity I see on Windows machines. Only one on your side here is you and what you do with the data under your domain, once you go online you're at risk. Once you lose your control or possession of your system, you're at risk. Whether in San Antonio or Shanghai.
it isnt 100% safe i dont recommend it can harm your system i dont know but safely is u use a memu ,andy or bluestack my favorite is memu
Use phoenix os it's not a problem for your datas, NSA already owns them, in the moment you begin using anything developed from US companies like microsoft apple or google you give your private life to them.
The real problem for the security is the usa not china,russia or any other country. If you are so paranoid you can use android x86 without google apps, avoid to use android emulator because they are closed source and you can't verify if there are backdoors.