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Wisbar and Wisbar Desktop - Or SIMILAR SHAREWARE ?

Hi all,
I am a Newbie here !!
Just wondering if anyone here has the Latest WORKING VERSION of Wisbar and Wisbar Desktop . or Something Similar In Shareware Category
jeasbe'

you can download a working version from www.lakeridgesoftware.com

QuaCKeReD said:
you can download a working version from www.lakeridgesoftware.com
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Thanx ! It says : Price: $9.99 USD
I just spent on the New Phone....
I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever
(anything Similar that does Not Put Load on the 200 Mhz like the O2 Plus

jeasbe said:
QuaCKeReD said:
you can download a working version from www.lakeridgesoftware.com
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Thanx ! It says : Price: $9.99 USD
I just spent on the New Phone....
I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever
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Well, if you buy it, there's no reason it shouldn't.

chris who writes the software does an awsome job and deservs all the support he can get. if u can spend the $$$ on a nice pda spend some on the best software u can use

Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.

Mikebj said:
Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.
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Well said mike - we wont make you PM at the moment, maybe a MP though! :wink:

Mark,
We are into development our selfes so it really makes me loose it when I see requests like this.
I guess people simply dont realize how many man hours is spent on developing, testing, remove bugs, more testing etc., to finally see some clever kid crack the security (if any) and give it away for free, or even worse selling compiled CD's with all the latest software on Ebay.
LOL I am really sorry, just cant help my self.
*Mike swiftly climbs dow again*

Mikebj said:
Mark,
We are into development our selfes so it really makes me loose it when I see requests like this.
I guess people simply dont realize how many man hours is spent on developing, testing, remove bugs, more testing etc., to finally see some clever kid crack the security (if any) and give it away for free, or even worse selling compiled CD's with all the latest software on Ebay.
LOL I am really sorry, just cant help my self.
*Mike swiftly climbs dow again*
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I totally agree mike it really bugs me too -$10 is nothing for a program, most PPC programs are cheap, so its not a problem really. Out of interest what software do you develop?

Mark,
We are working on a very promising program right now, and all I can say at the moment is that it has something to do with an alternative to Itunes for Ipod's.
Othervise we work for companies developing frontends for their databases like MS SQL Server, and Access(though that is getting less and less) either as stand alone programs or integrated as a dynamic website.
We have just replaced our phones with O2 XDA Mini S(don't know how we could ever live without them lol) and have all ready had some ideas for a few pieces of software/utilities for them, so lets see when we can find the time to do something about it.
All I need now is a Tom Tom kit so my Ipaq can go in the car and be upgraded to my super navigator lol.

Mikebj said:
Mark,
We are working on a very promising program right now, and all I can say at the moment is that it has something to do with an alternative to Itunes for Ipod's.
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Well please keep the forum informed of progress of above program if possible - sounds good. I use my wizard alot for playing music - love those stereo speakers!
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It always amuses me that people can drop $300 on a new device, but somehow can't seem to afford a $10 software application.
The really sad thing is they just don't understand what an incredible bargain they're getting in a software title like WisBar.
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Just gotta wonder...

I had a go with the trial version of Wisbar, but binned it when I found the skins don't work properly when I switched to landscape mode. I'd maybe consider paying for it if it worked properly. :roll:

Hi New version now works fine with the Wizard and landscape switch
Give it a try
Jules

jeasbe: as you may have noticed, the name of this site is xda developers. Although most of us develop stuff that is free anyway, all developing takes time and effort and potential divorce settlements.
As everyone has said, spending a tiny fraction of the price of your phone on software that you will use permanently, and gain great pleasure from, is certainly worth even a little of your money. I suggest you try the trial, and if you like it, you know what to do. Wisbar is seminal software, and you will benefit from it. Whether you appreciate the memory drain etc is your choice. But there is also a lite version.
As far as I can tell, the board doesn't have a publicised policy on distributing warez. But the board members have made it clear: we don't appreciate people too cheap to pay for software that they can easily afford to buy, or too lazy to go and find their own cracks.
FYI - my personal policy is, I'm happy to discuss making cracks, since that's a developer's art, but distributing warez and cracks is for other boards. Torrent is your friend. Or a credit card.
V

Mikebj said:
Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.
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Thats NOT FAIR Mate. All I said was If there is any software in the FREEWARE CATEGORY.
I never mentioned a WORD CRACK or illegal as many ppl. have done on the Forum.
Perhaps U should have read My words clearly.
I had said "I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever"
ANYTHING means ANY THING LIKE WISBAR which is a shareware.
Its easy for us to act Arrogant and hurt one another on the forum buddy.
If U feel happy that way, Let it be.
By the way, This message was Posted By a Microsoft Certified Professional who values The Hours spent in developing anything.
Be it a Small Wisbar or a WINDOWS VISTA.
How many of us who are members here are Not having e-mule or bittorrent and are not interested in downloading the Latest OS ??
We all have our Priorities Mate and Mine was simply a shareware like Wisbar which would keep on working forever.
Thanx and Sorry If I said anything Personal
jeasbe'

Hm, I agree with all of this in a way...
But theres other ways to make money from software.
Sites that gain from advertising and offering free software with an optional donation if the program if good.

vijay555 said:
jeasbe: as you may have noticed, the name of this site is xda developers. Although most of us develop stuff that is free anyway, all developing takes time and effort and potential divorce settlements.
As everyone has said, spending a tiny fraction of the price of your phone on software that you will use permanently, and gain great pleasure from, is certainly worth even a little of your money. I suggest you try the trial, and if you like it, you know what to do. Wisbar is seminal software, and you will benefit from it. Whether you appreciate the memory drain etc is your choice. But there is also a lite version.
As far as I can tell, the board doesn't have a publicised policy on distributing warez. But the board members have made it clear: we don't appreciate people too cheap to pay for software that they can easily afford to buy, or too lazy to go and find their own cracks.
FYI - my personal policy is, I'm happy to discuss making cracks, since that's a developer's art, but distributing warez and cracks is for other boards. Torrent is your friend. Or a credit card.
V
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WELL QUOTED VIJAY,
I LIKED THE WAY u put the things.
I appreciate your suggestions and Even though some members Posts were hurting to My Ego, Your understanding Message was a relief that theer still are people in this world who dont hide from the harsh realities of the world.
In fact as I was still posting the message someone from some other corner of this lonely planet had already sent me the link for the crack and i even got a file from another friend....
As Put By VIJAY "I'm happy to discuss making cracks, since that's a developer's art, "

jeasbe said:
Mikebj said:
Jeasbe,
I am sorry mate but it is people like you that makes it so hard for developers to continue all their hard work, you should be banned forever from this forum.
Sorry to everyone else I will climb down my soapbox now.
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Thats NOT FAIR Mate. All I said was If there is any software in the FREEWARE CATEGORY.
I never mentioned a WORD CRACK or illegal as many ppl. have done on the Forum.
Perhaps U should have read My words clearly.
I had said "I was wondering if ...........any thing that keeps on working forever"
ANYTHING means ANY THING LIKE WISBAR which is a shareware.
Its easy for us to act Arrogant and hurt one another on the forum buddy.
If U feel happy that way, Let it be.
By the way, This message was Posted By a Microsoft Certified Professional who values The Hours spent in developing anything.
Be it a Small Wisbar or a WINDOWS VISTA.
How many of us who are members here are Not having e-mule or bittorrent and are not interested in downloading the Latest OS ??
We all have our Priorities Mate and Mine was simply a shareware like Wisbar which would keep on working forever.
Thanx and Sorry If I said anything Personal
jeasbe'
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Your original "subject" said something about "warez", didn't it? And as for Microsoft Certified Professional: I've got that, too. Actually, I've got a few more of those certs. The way I see it, MCP is far too easy to get. Any monkey can be trained to pass some of the easier exams using a braindump.
You'll have to learn that quality comes at a cost. And I'm sorry to say this, but so far I haven't been very impressed by the quality of some Indian "System Engineers" who have come over here and tried to take business away from me. Yes, they might be cheaper - in the beginning. But in the long run, quality and experience do make a difference, and customers tend to come back.
On the other hand, I also know some guys from India who are really very good. I'm wondering in what category to put an "MCP" from India who, after not being able to find a crack on BitTorrent, eMule or whatever has the gall to ask for one in this forum.
'nuff said.

dma97701 said:
It always amuses me that people can drop $300 on a new device, but somehow can't seem to afford a $10 software application.
The really sad thing is they just don't understand what an incredible bargain they're getting in a software title like WisBar.
:roll:
Just gotta wonder...
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IT Amuses Me even More that Some people Just joined this forum TODAY and the first thing they did was scorn at others interest for some shareare.
Anyway, to each his own

I am Making A Website

I'm making a site, called market4android which you developers can feature your apps/roms on, etc. I'd love for you guys to contact me so we can get the ball rolling. It's a great domain that gets a lot of search engine hits, so if you're looking to get your name out there and get your apps out there, then please PM me and let me know what you have and all that cool stuff!

The site should be online for most of the world. If it is not, give it a while because it may still need to update on world servers.
Check it out, leave feedback, etc, and developers! hit me up and let me know if I can post your ROMs on the site. Don't want nobody getting mad at me!

Reminds me of a site that I frequent called XDA.
Maybe I am missing the point? Are you simply offering to host files?

jerry43812 said:
Check it out, leave feedback, etc, and developers! hit me up and let me know if I can post your ROMs on the site. Don't want nobody getting mad at me!
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You'll never get anywhere waiting for others to send you content. If you want to post a rom, post info, screenshots, etc. and link out to the post where they can get it and more info.

This may be a dumb question, but here goes anyway....
It's not hard at all to get an app included on the Android Market. What advantage are you offering over going that route?
So far I've only written a few Android apps, and they were both custom jobs for clients that would not be at all interesting to the general public. (And they have a LOT of tweaking left to do before I'd call them anything I'm proud of. I'm new to Android, it'll take awhile for me to catch up with the stuff I've done for WinMo and PalmOS.)
But I've considered diving into some more generally appealing projects, and the Android Market currently offers me both the ability to distribute for free, and the ability to monetize my efforts if I decide to go that route. Either route gives me pretty widespread exposure.
As a developer, my main question would be: "What extras are you offering that the existing marketplace leaves out?" (i.e. How can you make me more money? And/or give me wider exposure?)

I don't think he is making a place to distribute apps (at least that's not what I got), I thought he was making a place to be like "hey look what's going on in the dev community, check out this app and this rom, etc."

gthing said:
I don't think he is making a place to distribute apps (at least that's not what I got), I thought he was making a place to be like "hey look what's going on in the dev community, check out this app and this rom, etc."
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So a review site?
That could be very, very cool. Only trick is building a large readership.....
With that in place, it could very easily be something that developers want to pay close attention to.

gthing said:
I don't think he is making a place to distribute apps (at least that's not what I got), I thought he was making a place to be like "hey look what's going on in the dev community, check out this app and this rom, etc."
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You got the idea down pat!

subliminalurge said:
So a review site?
That could be very, very cool. Only trick is building a large readership.....
With that in place, it could very easily be something that developers want to pay close attention to.
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I'd definitely be letting developers have publisher accounts so they can work on getting exposure from my site, etc. It's not totally about me distributing apps...
Try to picture this: I can get traffic. Traffic coming to my site and seeing your apps there, your ROMs there, etc, want to download them, etc, well, not only gets you not only exposure, but income from the apps as well seeing as how they're downloading you stuff because they found info and reviews on it on my site.
Yes, the market would definitely be the #1 way to go, but what harm can it do to get some more exposure to your stuff? as well as get user reviews and the income that youre concerned about?

danknee said:
Reminds me of a site that I frequent called XDA.
Maybe I am missing the point? Are you simply offering to host files?
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I will create mirrors for your files etc, and yes, you are missing the point. I wasn't 100% absolute sure in the direction I was heading with this, but I am offering you the exposure of traffic that comes to my site to see your apps etc, when they may not have ever noticed your app in the marketplace. User reviews, developer releases and all kinds of cool **** can happen here if you're willing to crack the shell away a little bit and accept my offer of free exposure to your stuff.
Why the hell would anyone pass up free? Beats me.

jerry43812 said:
I wasn't 100% absolute sure in the direction I was heading with this,
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For the record, my comments were not meant to be disparaging, but to help you figure that out.
I'm not going to go into how old I am, but I'm not exactly wet behind the ears. I was making a living in the "computer field" since long before anything called a "web browser" ever existed. The first time I heard about Mosaic, my reaction was "eh, sounds like gopher with pictures. big deal." (It wasn't a great article....)
There are two main reasons why projects fail. The first, and by far the greatest, is because the people starting that project never ask themselves, and come up with a clear answer to, "what problem am I trying to solve?"....
The second reason is that they fail to ask themselves "Is my solution something people will actually use?".
If you have good answers to those two questions, then the rest is just the legwork of getting it done. If you don't have good answers to those questions, then no amount of work will produce a successful outcome.
Sorry if I sound harsh, just trying to be helpful.

subliminalurge said:
For the record, my comments were not meant to be disparaging, but to help you figure that out.
I'm not going to go into how old I am, but I'm not exactly wet behind the ears. I was making a living in the "computer field" since long before anything called a "web browser" ever existed. The first time I heard about Mosaic, my reaction was "eh, sounds like gopher with pictures. big deal." (It wasn't a great article....)
There are two main reasons why projects fail. The first, and by far the greatest, is because the people starting that project never ask themselves, and come up with a clear answer to, "what problem am I trying to solve?"....
The second reason is that they fail to ask themselves "Is my solution something people will actually use?".
If you have good answers to those two questions, then the rest is just the legwork of getting it done. If you don't have good answers to those questions, then no amount of work will produce a successful outcome.
Sorry if I sound harsh, just trying to be helpful.
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Not harsh at all and I comprehend your points. Maybe my tone sounded harsh when it was simply factual and jsut telling my purpose.
I feel that the purpose of this site I opened is good, and it can be very useful. But just like any other good thing, it usually cannot be done by one person. Support for the project is always a plus, and it can be made to be an excellent resource for people who are green on both sides, that want to get into modding android devices.
I dont think that it is a waste of my time, but in order for it to make it to where I'd like it to be, it can definitely use all the support and input that it can get. Thats why I brought the whole subject up, here. There are lots of developers here and even I am new to a lot of the stuff here, and I feel that it would be a great asset to a lot fo folks here if you jsut give it a chance.

jerry43812 said:
Not harsh at all and I comprehend your points. Maybe my tone sounded harsh when it was simply factual and jsut telling my purpose.
I feel that the purpose of this site I opened is good, and it can be very useful. But just like any other good thing, it usually cannot be done by one person. Support for the project is always a plus, and it can be made to be an excellent resource for people who are green on both sides, that want to get into modding android devices.
I dont think that it is a waste of my time, but in order for it to make it to where I'd like it to be, it can definitely use all the support and input that it can get. Thats why I brought the whole subject up, here. There are lots of developers here and even I am new to a lot of the stuff here, and I feel that it would be a great asset to a lot fo folks here if you jsut give it a chance.
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Oh, I never meant to imply it was a waste of time. Nothing of the sort. I think the Android platform has a huge amount of potential. For the people developing the platform, for the people developing apps to run on top of it, and for people creating the entire ecosystem that will surround it.
I guess what I was trying to do was get you thinking about a statement that you ended up making yourself. That you weren't 100% sure about the direction you wanted to take this. Whatever direction you decide on, I think your chances of success are much greater if you have a clear idea of what that direction is.
That said, I like your idea. I'd love to hear more about what you have in mind.

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Oh, I never meant to imply it was a waste of time. Nothing of the sort. I think the Android platform has a huge amount of potential. For the people developing the platform, for the people developing apps to run on top of it, and for people creating the entire ecosystem that will surround it.
I guess what I was trying to do was get you thinking about a statement that you ended up making yourself. That you weren't 100% sure about the direction you wanted to take this. Whatever direction you decide on, I think your chances of success are much greater if you have a clear idea of what that direction is.
That said, I like your idea. I'd love to hear more about what you have in mind.
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Why dont you PM me with some messenger info so we can talk? I run ICQ and AIM because ICQ is what is industry standard in the industry I work in.

jerry43812 said:
Why dont you PM me with some messenger info so we can talk? I run ICQ and AIM because ICQ is what is industry standard in the industry I work in.
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Will do. I mainly use Skype these days for IM, but I can throw ICQ on my computer real quick.

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Will do. I mainly use Skype these days for IM, but I can throw ICQ on my computer real quick.
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Awesome, look forward to talking with you!

Got an article coming soon on the best battery app I found, along with some info from the developer. This should be live within a day or two.
I am looking for more stuff to write articles about, and it will involve some email communication between us so I can get the most accurate info onto the site.
Anyone want to be the one of the first few people to get featured on the site? PM me your email address so I can contact you

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Got an article coming soon on the best battery app I found, along with some info from the developer. This should be live within a day or two.
I am looking for more stuff to write articles about, and it will involve some email communication between us so I can get the most accurate info onto the site.
Anyone want to be the one of the first few people to get featured on the site? PM me your email address so I can contact you
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Got that article written and set live, and I also have a few other things on there, including a comprehensive guide to rooting the Sprint HTC Hero.

well an app review site would be great as i tend to follow users input when i download apps, and the input in the Market is just crap .. what some user find to be a bad app could actualy be a very good app for others. i sometime do it myself when i download an app , i look for user rating and comments. and decide wether to download the app or not, based on the user ratings..
The other thing would be a app request, meaning i been loking for an app that will play FLAC or AAC music files, i found 2 , 1 is from XDA ( a good app but the GUI is must to be desired ) the other is a cheap app that sometimes plays sometimes dont.. LOL
if someone would make good app for this i would be willing to pay for it 20.00 if i had to ...
The point is i would love a place that i could go to and request an app or suggest ideas for an app..
my 2 cents

rgildoss said:
well an app review site would be great as i tend to follow users input when i download apps, and the input in the Market is just crap .. what some user find to be a bad app could actualy be a very good app for others. i sometime do it myself when i download an app , i look for user rating and comments. and decide wether to download the app or not, based on the user ratings..
The other thing would be a app request, meaning i been loking for an app that will play FLAC or AAC music files, i found 2 , 1 is from XDA ( a good app but the GUI is must to be desired ) the other is a cheap app that sometimes plays sometimes dont.. LOL
if someone would make good app for this i would be willing to pay for it 20.00 if i had to ...
The point is i would love a place that i could go to and request an app or suggest ideas for an app..
my 2 cents
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You're able t request apps and stuff there, I honestly havent set that section up because I am working on other content first. You can possibly post a new thread requesting someone code something for you, but I am not sure on the pricing of their work, etc. Let me work on getting some good app coders on my side and then I'll open up the requests section.

Is there a way to get pay-games for free?

Before you start complaining that i'm a cheap douche let me just say that i don't live in the States, so i can't download pay-games without rooting my phone, and i don't feel like doing it.
So i'm just wondering if there's any way to download and install games without having to buy them?
Thanks,
Anders.

I'll guess this thread lasts umm 30mins...

Actually he's not asking where...but IF...there is a way.
So to conclude, and answer: Yes there is
But won't help you futher, as I think games and apps should be paid to show DEV. that they are doing a great job

he's lying to you. no theres not

MarkM83 said:
Actually he's not asking where...but IF...there is a way.
So to conclude, and answer: Yes there is
But won't help you futher, as I think games and apps should be paid to show DEV. that they are doing a great job
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i agree. i will admit that the only apps i have obtained are for trial use. some apps dont have a lite or free version but if it works as expected always buy to show support and get support. i know the guy that makes xfmobile and a at the start of this year was thinking of completing its first year then stopping the dev for lack of support and funds.
but to answer your question yes its possible to get paid apps for free on stock phones unless its a pay to play game.

Instead of getting them for free, how about mailing the author of the one you want and asking if he would sell you a copy direct rather than through the market. Everybody wins.

All good answers to a question that typically generates flamming ... thread closed.

[Q] Banned For Life from Android Market/ Developer

Google recently shut down my developer account and google market account with no explanation. And as you all know their support sucks. Does anyone know how to get back on the market to sell apps? Thanks. I had some Themes for pandahome etc but now I have some apps I made with AI I want to get on the market.
Your merchant account has been closed

Make another fake account.
Xda app

I tried that 4 times and somehow they keep finding me. I used walmart gift cards with fake names! I don't know if they are tracking my ISP or what, but they go up for about an hour, take my $25 developer fee, and then get closed down.
Any surefire ways to set up a stealth developer account?

All I was making was themes you can see what I had here, then lost everything
androidlib my developer name was Onion Rings Studios

007onionrings said:
All I was making was themes you can see what I had here, then lost everything
androidlib my developer name was Onion Rings Studios
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You're were making themes for an app; did you ask the developer if you can put them on the market. He could report you because you didn't have his approval.

It looks like most of your themes were copyright infringing, maybe someone who owns the copyright had complained about you.

I remember getting my first ticket. Some guy was ahead of me and was slowing down to stop for a light that was turning red, I decided to drive right around him to pass.
I got pulled over.
When I asked the cop what I did wrong, he gave me a nasty look and just said "license and registration".
Sorry, I know this story doesn't have anything to do with the topic of this thread, but when I read that Google banned the account without giving any explanation...It made me think of that.

I seriously doubt that they would ban you for no reason whatsoever, as the previous posts say your themes where probably copyright infringing and the copyright owner complained about you. So there is your reason!

What kind of AI were you working on?

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What kind of AI were you working on?
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He means App Inventor, not AI apps.

???
If you were making themes for another developers app and making money out of it, i can completely see why you should be stopped... Banned seems a little OTT though? I also think Google should have an obligation to explain the ban, you should have been given a chance to appeal or something! Unless of course you're missing a few bits out??
Try teaming up with another developer or themer? If its any consolation, i dont think many people use panda home anymore...infact i dont know of anyone!!

007onionrings said:
I tried that 4 times and somehow they keep finding me.
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why the hell would Google know who you are?

Are you re-uploading the same App? Using same email? Thats why they find you probably. Get someone with a real CC to open an account for you.

I suspect his endeavours take a wrong turn the moment he starts using 'Walmart credit cards' and 'fake identities'.

Not many genuine people need fake ID and credit cards so its probably for our protection....doesn't look too good considering the apps he/she sold were to profit from another devs work in the first place!

I had a nice app game that I downloaded last December.
After I upgraded to Froyo, I wanted to re-download the game.
It is no longer available because a huge corporate game marketer threatened legal action becuase it had similarities to one of the games they market.
It's corporate litigation bullying!
The independent developer cowered and pulled his app.
I'd love to see a thread with links to apk files(apps) that we can access and install with a sideloader.
Does anyone have such a resource?

Google "alternate android market" and the world is your oyster

RAMMANN said:
why the hell would Google know who you are?
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.. didn't you know? google knows all.

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I suspect his endeavours take a wrong turn the moment he starts using 'Walmart credit cards' and 'fake identities'.
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LOL @ upstanding business practices.

ContentGuard yes or no?

Hello everyone. I've been always very keen into adding content guard to my rom. Recently I found out that there was 38% of pirated apps on an android system. I have to admit that I don't own any app which gets me premium apps right now, but I like the flexibility to explore if an app is good or not before buying. At the same time it becomes a flaw because android does not provide any sort of protection.
So the debate starts here, should this be included on the rom? Yes or no, but more importantly why?
Remember that when you install an app which was not bought, you are taking from a dev his "food supply".
Thank you,
Jorge

I liked the idea when its first implemented by Dave in Exodus, safeguard developer interest and protect user from any infected app

Hi AFAIK there are some options to return bought app in a play store within some limitted time. Also there are a lot of free test versions of apps.. just saying because i was always on side of freedom of choice.. And finally if it really give us more protection it is necessary thing but i am aware if some xposed or root apps can be blocked ... its a really hard decission Jorge lets wait for others opinions...

Yep removing thieves is always the best option! Do it I'd say --- and be prepared for idiots hatin' lol
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gerciolisz said:
Hi AFAIK there are some options to return bought app in a play store within some limitted time. Also there are a lot of free test versions of apps.. just saying because i was always on side of freedom of choice.. And finally if it really give us more protection it is necessary thing but i am aware if some xposed or root apps can be blocked ... its a really hard decission Jorge lets wait for others opinions...
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Hello. Basically what this does is protects the developer interests by not permitting apps which give the ability to have access to premium apps for free. The list is :
https://github.com/ContentGuard/Ant...roid-6.0.1/src/utils/AntiPiracyConstants.java
Only apps which MAIN purpose is pirating, are blocked.
So most likely you won't be affected
If you have any other questions, I'll try to answer these the best way possible
Alex

I would say that it is a good idea, but the number of people that don't like the idea would lead to a negative effect on the ROM and its users just like it happened to Exodus when it first got implemented.
Therefore I would be against the idea of implementing ContentGuard into the ROM.
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BTW i think if they dont want content guard they can just compile ROM wothout it.. simple solution

Just stepping in here as a moderator on XDA. Our point of view is: We do support apps like this. XDA has a rule against discussing or requesting warez. If we find any posts that are asking for help, or asking for links to download warez apps, EG an app that is on playstore but needs to be bought, or an app that has in app purchases, if a user is trying to bypass these, we remove it. So from an XDA standpoint developers are free to add ContentGuard into their rom. We have no issues with that at all.

Well I don't know what is possible with these blocked apps, i.e. if they can be used for legit things or if they are used solely for pirating other apps ecc.
If the sole purpose of those apps, is stealing, I would include this into the ROM. And If people would complain I would just tell them that stealing is not a supported feature on this ROM.
I mean, you can't go around stealing in RL, there are alarms, walls, tresors ecc. this is just an anti-theft-system for digital goods.

Stone_88 said:
Well I don't know what is possible with these blocked apps, i.e. if they can be used for legit things or if they are used solely for pirating other apps ecc.
If the sole purpose of those apps, is stealing, I would include this into the ROM. And If people would complain I would just tell them that stealing is not a supported feature on this ROM.
I mean, you can't go around stealing in RL, there are alarms, walls, tresors ecc. this is just an anti-theft-system for digital goods.
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The criteria for adding an app is whether the main purpose of the app is piracy
Alex

I'm happy either way, I don't use pirated apps and love my devs, so if it helps them add it.. If people want to use these apps then they aren't supporting their devs anyways so freeloaders and theives can get lost..

jgcaap said:
Hello everyone. I've been always very keen into adding content guard to my rom. Recently I found out that there was 38% of pirated apps on an android system. I have to admit that I don't own any app which gets me premium apps right now, but I like the flexibility to explore if an app is good or not before buying. At the same time it becomes a flaw because android does not provide any sort of protection.
So the debate starts here, should this be included on the rom? Yes or no, but more importantly why?
Remember that when you install an app which was not bought, you are taking from a dev his "food supply".
Thank you,
Jorge
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This is completely useless because there exists a xposed module which easily disables the content guard again. Have fun blocking xposed

hellcat50 said:
This is completely useless because there exists a xposed module which easily disables the content guard again. Have fun blocking xposed
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Well related to that, contenguard has also a solution where xposed module doesn't work.
Would like to know your opinion. Do you favor piracy? Why do you think is useless to fight for a more honest enviroment? Thanks

hellcat50 said:
This is completely useless because there exists a xposed module which easily disables the content guard again. Have fun blocking xposed
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The module doesn't work

TheCrazyLex said:
The module doesn't work
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It's working for sure...
I think it's quite stupid to implement anything, which has no effect. If you want pirated apps there are ways also with this module.
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lampshade90 said:
It's working for sure...
I think it's quite stupid to implement anything, which has no effect. If you want pirated apps there are ways also with this module.
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The real question i would like to see your opinion, would be this.
Google haven't done much to protect developers work.
As you know many developers donate their time for free to develop apps. And consider some apps should be used for a small fee.
Same as you going to a store and having the option to steal or to buy a book.
Sometimes we think " ah those companies are gigantic" , but they also pay to alot of people to work. Shouldn't that matter ?
As a human beeing, i've donated to xda, donated blood to hospital, donated my free time to help poor people in Portugal, donated my time to help timor (around 1996-7 when i was a kid). But when i'm providing a service, where the deal is i'll do this and in exchange i'll receive something. Don't you believe it is fair?
The big problem with the anti piracy measures, which in my opinion should be implemented by google , do not work effectivly for users. In exchange many of us get used to that reality. Right? But should we? Or should we try do something?
I came up with this thread because, I've thought about Content Guard as a measure which is not efficient to change and become a safe working enviroment for people which dedicate their lives to android. But I think we can see this as a simbol of wanting things to change from some people which are frustrated for not beeing sucessfull in their work.
So I ask you, as all users here. We live and fight our lifes to be happy. Should we embrace and try better solutions to find a balance where more people becomes happy (developers), and in exchange they'll be putting more time, doing a harder work to deliver a better app.
What do you think?
As you know i'm Democratic, and I love to discuss ideas. So please, feel free to share yours. I'll be happy to understand your perpective as it is important to find a common ground together.
Thanks

jgcaap said:
Well related to that, contenguard has also a solution where xposed module doesn't work.
Would like to know your opinion. Do you favor piracy? Why do you think is useless to fight for a more honest enviroment? Thanks
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Although I do not pirate apps, I would rather not have contentguard. Google could've easily have anti piracy measures on stock roms considering that a high percentage of apps are pirated, but they didn't, because it compromises the openness of android (I know there are a lot of additional factors to this as well.) Developers of roms shouldn't have to take it upon themselves to force users to not install certain applications because even if contentguard is present, people who pirate can easily switch over to other roms, which means that contentguard only hurts the privacy people who actually pay for apps.
I understand what the rom developers are trying to do with contentguard, but it is not effective on a large enough scale to be a viable stop to piracy, unless it is implemented google themselves (a couple thousand of people running a custom rom which happen to have contentguard vs about a billion android devices).
TLDR: No

jgcaap said:
The real question i would like to see your opinion, would be this.
Google haven't done much to protect developers work.
As you know many developers donate their time for free to develop apps. And consider some apps should be used for a small fee.
Same as you going to a store and having the option to steal or to buy a book.
Sometimes we think " ah those companies are gigantic" , but they also pay to alot of people to work. Shouldn't that matter ?
As a human beeing, i've donated to xda, donated blood to hospital, donated my free time to help poor people in Portugal, donated my time to help timor (around 1996-7 when i was a kid). But when i'm providing a service, where the deal is i'll do this and in exchange i'll receive something. Don't you believe it is fair?
The big problem with the anti piracy measures, which in my opinion should be implemented by google , do not work effectivly for users. In exchange many of us get used to that reality. Right? But should we? Or should we try do something?
I came up with this thread because, I've thought about Content Guard as a measure which is not efficient to change and become a safe working enviroment for people which dedicate their lives to android. But I think we can see this as a simbol of wanting things to change from some people which are frustrated for not beeing sucessfull in their work.
So I ask you, as all users here. We live and fight our lifes to be happy. Should we embrace and try better solutions to find a balance where more people becomes happy (developers), and in exchange they'll be putting more time, doing a harder work to deliver a better app.
What do you think?
As you know i'm Democratic, and I love to discuss ideas. So please, feel free to share yours. I'll be happy to understand your perpective as it is important to find a common ground together.
Thanks
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For me it seems, that you haven't understand the meaning of capitalism.
Some people will live some people will die. Some people will be rich, some poor, same for companies.
That's the world.
I think it's up to the developer. There are ways to make piracy harder. The harder you will make it, the more people will buy it. If you're not capable of programming an app, which is hard to Crack you should definitely change your job to something you're good at.
Your social engagement might be good for you, for me it would wasting my small amount of time. From your text you could get an intention that it's god given what you will make out of your life. It's definitely not.
I don't care if you implement this. You will make it harder to use pirated apps but it's still possible and it's work for you. So I have no opinion to this topic I just wanted state out, that it will be work for you, less people will use your rom and if you want pirated apps it's still possible.
But honestly noone will buy an app due to your implementation. Maybe it will gain you experience but nothing more....
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lampshade90 said:
For me it seems, that you haven't understand the meaning of capitalism.
Some people will live some people will die. Some people will be rich, some poor, same for companies.
That's the world.
I think it's up to the developer. There are ways to make piracy harder. The harder you will make it, the more people will buy it. If you're not capable of programming an app, which is hard to Crack you should definitely change your job to something you're good at.
Your social engagement might be good for you, for me it would wasting my small amount of time. From your text you could get an intention that it's god given what you will make out of your life. It's definitely not.
I don't care if you implement this. You will make it harder to use pirated apps but it's still possible and it's work for you. So I have no opinion to this topic I just wanted state out, that it will be work for you, less people will use your rom and if you want pirated apps it's still possible.
But honestly noone will buy an app due to your implementation. Maybe it will gain you experience but nothing more....
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Well is also true we live capitalism. But the way you express it is like it doesn't have flaws. Do you really believe that?
I haven't decided on adding yet. I like to listen to people, to speak and discuss. For you might be a loss of your time... But for me is information gathered among different people which I believe it is important, or I would be rather selfish on doing things without asking questions. No ? =p
Hehe.
Thank you for your honest answer.

f41lbl0g said:
Although I do not pirate apps, I would rather not have contentguard. Google could've easily have anti piracy measures on stock roms considering that a high percentage of apps are pirated, but they didn't, because it compromises the openness of android (I know there are a lot of additional factors to this as well.) Developers of roms shouldn't have to take it upon themselves to force users to not install certain applications because even if contentguard is present, people who pirate can easily switch over to other roms, which means that contentguard only hurts the privacy people who actually pay for apps.
I understand what the rom developers are trying to do with contentguard, but it is not effective on a large enough scale to be a viable stop to piracy, unless it is implemented google themselves (a couple thousand of people running a custom rom which happen to have contentguard vs about a billion android devices).
TLDR: No
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Thanks