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iPhone Killer

I have heard of several phones being hailed as "The iPhone Killer", namely the Palm Pre that I just got rid of. The EVO seems to just about have everything to take that title and actually live up to it. So, what does it take to kill the iPhone and is the HTC EVO 4G it?

Sorry no.
The evo is great, and I am excited for it to arrive, but there are things about Android that need to be ironed out before it can be an iphone killer. My list of things that need improvement for Android to become the mainstream iphone killer.
1. better marketplace experience/apps - but getting better daily
2. better ways to edit/insert text.
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3. better way to manage gps, you should not have to turn it on or off to use it. My coworkers Droid sometimes leaves the GPS on when she is not using it. Killing the battery.
4. improve the onscreen keyboard
5. force hardware manufactures to use transflective displays
6. MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING. Why is it that everybody including my mother knows how to use an iphone based on the TV commercials yet most of the general public has no idea what Android is?
Nothing on my list is serious, #6 I think is the biggest problem for Android.

this phone is amazing. but it's size and some of the things will make it a 'niche' product.
i think it's better then an IPhone, but i post on development forums and read blogs, will my mother think it's better? hard to say.

So, what does it take to kill the iPhone and is the HTC EVO 4G it?
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Why does it have to be a iPhone killer? Some sort of Apple phone will always be around because there are people that will buy whatever Steve Jobs tells buy and there are a LOT of those people. IMO
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It'll be a long time before anything "kills" the iPhone, however I do believe the Evo is doing an excellent job of pushing Apple to continue to advance to keep ahead. It's hard to kill something that's also growing quickly in features and ability.
Ultimately, I think the Cell wars are just heating up and it will be a great time of innovation all around...lots of competition!

jeffla said:
Sorry no.
The evo is great, and I am excited for it to arrive, but there are things about Android that need to be ironed out before it can be an iphone killer. My list of things that need improvement for Android to become the mainstream iphone killer.
1. better marketplace experience/apps - but getting better daily
2. better ways to edit/insert text.
3. better way to manage gps, you should not have to turn it on or off to use it. My coworkers Droid sometimes leaves the GPS on when she is not using it. Killing the battery.
4. improve the onscreen keyboard
5. force hardware manufactures to use transflective displays
6. MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING. Why is it that everybody including my mother knows how to use an iphone based on the TV commercials yet most of the general public has no idea what Android is?
Nothing on my list is serious, #6 I think is the biggest problem for Android.
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1. Froyo 2.2 has a much better updated marketplace and should address that, and as you said, the app offerings are getting better everyday
2. I haven't really had a problem with editing text, but I agree with your number 4 (as does Google). They have stated the keyboard will receive some attention in further builds.
3. Thats what she should do, the GPS is only active when an application is requesting location. It doesn't hurt the battery at all to leave it on, just so long as you dont have an application that constantly pings your location in the background.
Everything else I agree with, however I think the "Droid Does" campaign for Verizon has been successful.

I know several iPhone 3Ga user that have switched and are never going back.
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I traded my iPhone for the Evo and so did my wife and we're both loving it.

I think it's unfair to call this phone an iPhone killer. They're two different animals. Completely.
It's like comparing a semi to a sports car. Both are automobiles, but that's where the similarities cease. One is necessary when moving heavy objects, capable of doing multiple things as once, and the other does only one thing very very well. You can get a semi tricked out to do 0-100 in under 10 seconds, but can you take a sports car and pull a house down the highway? No. Again, 2 different uses, each with their own unique application.
I use to have an iPhone, still have one actually, but I don't use it ever since I got my first Android here in the US. Would I say that any Android kills the iPhone? Depends on what we are talking about. And it also depends on the user.
My Dad uses the iPhone. He's not super techy. He's perfectly comfortable only running one app at a time, seeing as he only uses less than 20 altogether. Does he need advanced hardware to make a phone call? Nope. In his opinion, there will never be an iPhone killer, because they've managed to take a very basic function phone, give it the ability to run selected apps on the phone, without making it crash. That's the pinnacle of simplicity for him, and I doubt he'll ever change. And there are literally thousands of users like him out there, who could care less about a phones ability to hook into HDMI, or true multitasking, or how fluid the interface is.
I, alas, am not one of them. I care. A lot. To say one person's preference is better than another is crazy. Example: I have a rather wealthy friend who loves to eat overly expensive food. He loves caviar. I've tried it, properly, 6 times. Each time, I've lost the entire contents of my stomach through my mouth. Does that make caviar bad? Nope, it just makes it not for me, and you'll never see me bad mouth caviar. But you may see me wince a bit when it's mentioned.

jeffla said:
Sorry no.
The evo is great, and I am excited for it to arrive, but there are things about Android that need to be ironed out before it can be an iphone killer. My list of things that need improvement for Android to become the mainstream iphone killer.
1. better marketplace experience/apps - but getting better daily
2. better ways to edit/insert text.
3. better way to manage gps, you should not have to turn it on or off to use it. My coworkers Droid sometimes leaves the GPS on when she is not using it. Killing the battery.
4. improve the onscreen keyboard
5. force hardware manufactures to use transflective displays
6. MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING. Why is it that everybody including my mother knows how to use an iphone based on the TV commercials yet most of the general public has no idea what Android is?
Nothing on my list is serious, #6 I think is the biggest problem for Android.
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I would disagree the Iphone is junk that has a really good marketing team. At least I can plug my phone in and charge it when the batt is low and still talk on it. The Iphone shuts down for five min and the market place is under apples rule that's why cydia had to be made. I don't have a Iphone and never had one but have jailbroken a lot for friends and family. All of witch say they will buy a android phone next after seeing how easy it is to modify. Oh yea it's now on it's fourth Gen phone and it just now is getting multitasking. It took three just to do video EPIC FAIL Apple. There should be a new name it's not a smart phone. It's just a average phone can't multitask can't call it smart.

blkswanpres said:
I know several iPhone 3GS users that have switched and are never going back.
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And I am one of them! Unless Steve drops one hell of a bombshell on Monday...

chazglenn3 said:
And I am one of them! Unless Steve drops one hell of a bombshell on Monday...
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Yep, I just switched from a 3GS to the Evo and so far, I love it. Like the OP said, the keyboard does suck though, it's just weird and sloppy compared to the iphone's keyboard. Plus, I don't know if it's just me, but scrolling feels not as responsive as it did on the 3gs.

@ this point in time, the way i feel about apple,windows and atnt, Id rather have a bricked hero than support apple/atnt by purchasing anything from THAT merchandising nightmare. I find it sooooo unbeleivable that 90% of the mobile phone users in the world are uneducated TECHnically speaking. To remind you in case no one has: WE ARE THE MINORITY......the ones that know enough to get the most for our money in a device such as this. My hero put away any thoughts i ever had about using my ipwnd ever again after 2hrs of use. OK i lied, its a pretty good wi fi browser....but are YOU gonna throw your old perfectly functioning iphone away? Back to topic....Apple is like a giant plague infecting the (oooh, imma get an iphone because......ummm everyone i know has one?????????) masses. Man we need more android commercials. Im practically one myself. So sad that ppl still have the MOTO DROID confused with the ANDROID OS......ppl are soo dumb, no offense to those ppl. Just stating some facts, and this is in fact, MY OPINION.​

I would say the EVO 4G as a great Iphone replacement but not an Iphone killer. There is no need to make an Iphone killer per se. Iphone and the market place they have created will be very very difficult to beat. There are loyalists that won't leave and there are users that don't want to learn a new OS. Android is best served to try and capture the uninitiated.
Heavy texters loves blackberry and blackberry has done a tremendous job catering to them. The new bold 9800 slider will keep their text heavy base of users.
It's good to have this diversity in this market space. I moved away from Iphone as well but it doesn't mean I can't appreciate their products. I really like android and will continue to use it. Windows mobile 7 will also make my list of things to try. Can't wait.

Come on now people. Why people still caring about the "Iphone killer" ideology? The iphone been killed IMO. We know iphone is a simple interface, dumbed down device anyone can use. Yall's EVO, is light years ahead of Iphone as far as functionality. Remember, no restrictions with Android. Iphone OS, u basically can't do squat off tops. U have to hack it. Android is very customizable right out the box. Iphone had its day already. My tilt 2 blows iphone away. The evo and few others with snapdragon, have just changed the whole game up. Especially with Android on the rise so rapidly now. The new wm7 mobile is now basically copying iphone styles and methods. Of being simple as hell and not letting u do nothing customizable or being able to go into the internal system of it. WM hads its day. The Rise of the Machines has Begin. Android
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I dont like being told what to do with something I own So yeah it's an iphone killer to me. and to the guy complaining about the keyboard download swype it's amazing and revolutionary.
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As pointed out, it doesn't have to be a killer. I believe the iPhone and Android phones can coexist in this exciting new mobile world. My friend switched from an iPhone to the Evo and he loves it. But then again, he's a Linux and electronics geek like me, so the phones appeal to us.
The Evo 4G is without a doubt the best Android rendition yet, but there are some things that iPhone does better.
As far as text editing, the new way of selecting and copying text within emails and websites is AMAZING. Being able to easily select the start and end is brilliant.

gman8966 said:
Yep, I just switched from a 3GS to the Evo and so far, I love it. Like the OP said, the keyboard does suck though, it's just weird and sloppy compared to the iphone's keyboard. Plus, I don't know if it's just me, but scrolling feels not as responsive as it did on the 3gs.
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I dont know if anyone has mentioned this. But there are tons of keyboards out there for android. You arent limited to the stock keyboard. Its extremely easy to switch between them as well. So anyone holding the keyboard against google, htc or anyone is just plain stupid (not saying the person i quoted is). Almost every app that comes with the phone can be replaced my a "3rd party" one (assuming htc is the main). So people that complain about an app on the phone is obviously new to android.
I would make a post about this but it would just start a huge arguement/discussion. It seems everyone *****ing about the Evo are people coming from an iphone or just Att in general. I havent seen anyone that complained about something say what alternatives that tried to fix the issue. Its just if the phone isnt what they expected out of the box, they cry about it.

Dont need nothing but swype, and I can't imagine using it on a screen any smaller than this. Is swype even on iphone? Out really is a revolutionary way to type on touchscreen devices.
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iPhone was amazing back in it's day it was ahead of it's time and there was nothing else like it problem is it hasn't really advanced much at all since its been around so it will die out eventually. No phone is ever going to kill it though just because it has a huge customerbase already established. People are still using Motorola Razors and other phones some people will continue to use the iPhone forever as well regardless of how outdated it continues to become.
It's definitely lost it's crown though the EVO is undeniably better in just about every way. iPhone feels ancient when put next to the EVO LOL

Dueling Grandpas: Android G1 vs iPhone 2g (One users experience)

I have had a G1 from the day it came out. (I actually have TWO G1's due to a weird twist of fate.) I bought it mainly because I was annoyed that iPhones had no physical keyboard. I like Apple products as a rule (I'm typing this from my MacBook), but many of the limitations of the iPhone were dealbreakers (or so I thought). The lack of MMS, and the lack of a keyboard... not to mention the lack of multitasking, swappable memory or batteries were a turn off to me. In fact I've even been an iPhone hater for some time now, after briefly using a locked and un-jailbroken 2g. HOWEVER, recently I picked up a gently used iPhone 2g for $50 bucks, and for the past week have been using it as my main phone. Sadly, my loyalty to Android has been wavering as a result. This is a comparison of the old obsolete hardware that started it all.
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G1 w/ Cyanogen 5.0.8 & iPhone 2g w/ iOS 3.1.3​
Screens:
First off, the iPhone 2g screen is bigger and better. There's really no avoiding this. It's brighter than the G1 and more responsive. The whole unit feels sturdier due to the solid engineering. I remember when I got the G1 it felt this solid for about two days. Then came the annoying squeak and the inevitable loss of the micro-usb cover. The iPhone 2G's screen looks incredibly sharp when compared to the G1, even on the brightest and dimmest settings.
Operating System:
I love Android. It's so open. The market is full of stuff that Apple would never allow. That being said, both of these phones have been out for so long that developers have had ample time to try and make up for any shortcomings the OS's may have. My G1 is rooted and tricked out. I'm maxing out the processor speed but the OS still lags. Even on vanilla 1.6 it lags. The only time I ever recall my G1 being more snappy was when Cupcake came out. The iPhone 2g is much faster and more responsive than my G1. I thought this was due to multitasking, but my 2g is jailbroken and multitasking fine. I even got MMS working on it! A small victory for something that should have been included in the first place, but a victory none the less. If I had known changing the wallpaper, and MMS, and multitasking could be implemented so easily and definitively then I wouldn't have used those as deterrents. And now that jailbreaking is so prevalent and even legal you can hardly mention those things. Furthermore, all of these things are actually condoned by Apple on their current flagship, which means they're at least listening to the consumers. The fact that the iPhone 2g is OLDER and yet still runs smoother than Android is telling. The hardware is just better at running the OS. You could claim that iPhone has had more time to smooth out the kinks in the 2g, but after almost 2 years my G1 has kinks aplenty, and Google has all but abandoned the aging hardware. Fragmentation has caused carriers and hardware manufacturers to take eons to update individual devices or even leave some completely abandoned. Meanwhile the 2G got an updated a few weeks ago (trivial as it may be). I've gotten so used to the sluggish G1, that while i'm using my iPhone 2g I think to myself, "Damn, how could the 3GS and iPhone 4 be even faster!" Oh, and here's a telling example of the functionality of the OS's: I use the Android lock screen on my iPhone because it's far superior to the iOS lockscreen. Please tell my why on iPhone 2g the Android lock screen is smoother than on the G1! I also think the Palm Pre inspired fast app switching app ProSwitcher (when paired with Backgrounder) makes multitasking on the iPhone BETTER than multitasking on Android or even iOS4. Essentially I have my favorite features from Android and the WebOS cloned right on my iPhone. No other mobile OS out now has this type of genuine customization. This stuff doesn't feel like a hack or mod.
​Battery:
Overclocked or not, my G1 has always struggled with horrible battery life. In fact I've always had bad battery life on both of my G1's. I have so many G1 chargers its ridiculous. Three at home, one in the car and two at work! Why? because if I need to use GPS on my G1 I know my battery will dwindle to 30% in about an 45 minutes, especially on a sunny day when I need some backlighting. I've become a master of stretching the G1 battery to the limit, but mainly at my inconvenience. The iPhone 2g battery is better. Much better. It charges faster and lasts longer so I really don't NEED to have the swapability. Somewhere along the line we got so caught up on the convenience of having the ability to replace a dead battery, we forgot that batteries dying too quickly was actually the inconvenience. My iphone with HEAVY use can last 24 hours. My G1 with moderate use can last 14 if I'm lucky.
Text Input:
I'll give this one to the G1. The Gmail client and the texting on the G1 is fantastic, largely due to the physical keyboard. I had a texting speed contest with a girl at my job and I smoked her ass on my G1. That being said, the iPhone's virtual keyboard is WAY better than on Android. I was even typing on a Droid X the other day and was saddened that the keyboard was still less enjoyable than on the iPhone 2g. I do hate that the iPhone keyboard never seems to want to disappear once you enter a textbox, but other than that it's great. I have used every available Android keyboard from Swype to Swift, and while fast, they still feel less accurate and less responsive than the iPhone VK.
Games:
I use Nesoid (NES Emulator) on my G1, which essentially makes the gaming experience leaps and bounds beyond the iPhone. (iPhone roms/emulators suck because, well, you need buttons.) But I'll be damned if I don't love me some Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds! I think both platforms have a long way to go before people stop considering more robust mobile gaming like the PSP and Nintendo DS, but they're definitely on the right track. With the addition of Flash in Froyo, we may see Android pull far ahead in this category. Can't wait to find out.
​Web Browsing:
Speaking of Froyo, I hear web browsing is fantastic on it. But on the G1 browsing sucks. In fact it's gotten WORSE since the OS has been updated. I used to be able to have 3 browser tabs loading simultaneously and remain loaded after leaving the browser (pre cupcake). So I could open Facebook, Twitter, and Android Community all at once and play a game while they loaded. Awesome! NOW every time I load another tab it just sits there until I go to view it. And God forbid I leave the browser. Then I have to wait for the homescreen to render (which is getting ridiculous), and when I re-enter the browser all the pages automatically refresh, ugh. The iPhone 2g's browser is better in every way to the G1's. Faster, smoother, and easier tab manipulation. I'm eager to see if RIM or Android can actually surpass this functionality, as they claim.
Jailbreaking/Rooting:
On the G1 rooting has given me tethering, screenshot capabilities, overclocking, and more customization options. On the iPhone 2g I have gained even MORE customization options via themes and different settings options. Still, the lack of widgets is a huge hole in the OS. I have also gained MMS, multitasking, and the fantastic SBSettings which is kind of like Bar Control for Android but better. Not to mention access to Cydia and Installous for my app pirating needs. Even though the Android community is very active and innovative, the iPhone dev community is equally ambitious and have had more time to work on their hacks and mods. iOS is no longer the cripplingly locked place it used to be.
Wrap Up:
In short, both OS's have come far, but after using Android at length and switching to iOS for a few weeks I have come to realize that the iPhone 2g pretty much blows the G1 out of the water. I'm sure the iPhone 4 vs EVO battle is much more even, but when comparing the grandaddies that started it all, my eyes have been opened. I'm sure some may consider my descent into Apple territory an ill-informed decision resulting from peer pressure by the sheep-like masses blah blah blah. But i'm just a guy who loves phones and mobile technology who came to realize that there's plenty of room for mobile OS royalty in the tech world. If nothing else Android has become a type of Ralph Nader, forcing Apple to steal some of it's better ideas so as not to lose followers. I shudder to think where iOS would be today if it weren't for Android being right on it's heels. I feel that iOS is better for novices and modding power-users alike. The G1 today is barely usable, but the iPhone 2g is still relevant in my eyes. Android still has the benefit of offering more variety to the consumer, but this is often at the OS's detriment due to fragmentation. Still, if the iPhone had a nice keyboard I probably wouldn't be considering buying the HTC Vision/G1 Blaze this Fall. Yes, even after all that I'm looking forward to Froyo and Gingerbread and seeing where Android takes us.

Most definitely you are nuts.
And totally contrary to overall standing of the devices. iTrash is at #3 position in market share, Android is at #1. Maybe people are tired of Jobs' public temper tantrums?

I'm just going to leave this picture right here...

Not to mention access to Cydia and Installous for my app pirating needs
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Go cut some grass, little boy. Most apps average around what? Life 2 - 5 dollars? Are you really so pathetic that you have to rip off people for a buck or two? Seriously, that's probably the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

I'm not going to defend myself. I was giving an honest opinion. I'm a loyal Android supporter but I can give credit where credit is due. I feel that the iPhone 2g has stood the test of time more than the G1. I'm not saying anything about the companies behind them... basing this purely on software and hardware TODAY as compared to when they came out.
I respect you're guys opinions and passion.

I was just saying your pathetic because you have to pirate 2 dollar apps. Fact is, no one wants your opinion. Hopefully, you'll get the hell off Android. No one needs a leech. People work damn hard to develop in their own time for NOTHING and people like you make them waste that time.
And the iPhone sucks. Thank god I bought the iLevitate app so I don't loose service anymore.

Wow, there are some horribly fanboyish responses in this thread. What you wrote was your honest opinion and while I may disagree with it, I have to respect it.

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I was just saying your pathetic because you have to pirate 2 dollar apps. Fact is, no one wants your opinion. Hopefully, you'll get the hell off Android. No one needs a leech. People work damn hard to develop in their own time for NOTHING and people like you make them waste that time.
And the iPhone sucks. Thank god I bought the iLevitate app so I don't loose service anymore.
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I also download movies online for free. Have a nice day

Thanks for a great review and comparison. We can hate Apple all we want, but they definitely forced Google and phone makers to step up their game big time or go home.And we're finally all benefitting as I Swype this on my new Samsung Captivate!!
And in real money, $50 with no contract is hard to beat if money is tight and you want the most for a limited pot of money. Or your phone took a swim and you can't renew your contract yet. Or you're saving up to buy a Galaxy S. I could live with the 2G mentioned above for a few months if I had to-maybe with a case that disguised what it was.

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Thanks for a great review and comparison. We can hate Apple all we want, but they definitely forced Google and phone makers to step up their game big time or go home.And we're finally all benefitting as I Swype this on my new Samsung Captivate!!
And in real money, $50 with no contract is hard to beat if money is tight and you want the most for a limited pot of money. Or your phone took a swim and you can't renew your contract yet. Or you're saving up to buy a Galaxy S. I could live with the 2G mentioned above for a few months if I had to-maybe with a case that disguised what it was.
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Thanks, yeah I'm holding out for the HTC Blaze/Vision myself. It's like the Galaxy but with a keyboard (Similar to the Epic in that sense but for T-Mobile). The G1 definitely made me appreciate a good keyboard. Sadly, I feel that 5 row boards are a dying breed in the mobile computing world.

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LOL! Do you actually feel good about not being able to afford a movie? Thanks, I needed that laugh.

The part that makes me giggle is this post in general. It's not a VALID comparison between 2 pieces of hardware.
It's a comparison based on personal preference. Therefore, whether you are an Android supporter or an Apple supporter, this argument is biased and therefore invalid.
What it all boils down to is this...
Apple has great products. (I do not use them at all...ever!)
However, they are proprietary.
It's very easy to make a single product line that kills in performance, battery life, etc. when you have been working on it FOR YEARS!!!
Now...here is the kicker. Android gives you choices!
You are not bound by chains to that one device that looks like everyone elses.
And now the icing on the cake.... are you ready for this??? I don't think you are...
Ok, I'mma break your heart now...you ready?
Look how far Android has come in it's current lifespan -vs- Apple and it's lifespan.
Once you think about those points right there... Apple doesn't stand a chance!
I can keep going with this, but I won't. The last thing I ask that you do is this...
Do some research on ACTUAL hardware comparisons.
I respect the fact that you gave your opinion...But in doing so, you swayed from being "opinionated" to trying to use opinions as facts.

tribalartgod said:
The part that makes me giggle is this post in general. It's not a VALID comparison between 2 pieces of hardware.
It's a comparison based on personal preference. Therefore, whether you are an Android supporter or an Apple supporter, this argument is biased and therefore invalid.
What it all boils down to is this...
Apple has great products. (I do not use them at all...ever!)
However, they are proprietary.
It's very easy to make a single product line that kills in performance, battery life, etc. when you have been working on it FOR YEARS!!!
Now...here is the kicker. Android gives you choices!
You are not bound by chains to that one device that looks like everyone elses.
And now the icing on the cake.... are you ready for this??? I don't think you are...
Ok, I'mma break your heart now...you ready?
Look how far Android has come in it's current lifespan -vs- Apple and it's lifespan.
Once you think about those points right there... Apple doesn't stand a chance!
I can keep going with this, but I won't. The last thing I ask that you do is this...
Do some research on ACTUAL hardware comparisons.
I respect the fact that you gave your opinion...But in doing so, you swayed from being "opinionated" to trying to use opinions as facts.
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Nah, this was pretty much entirely based on opinion and I think that was fairly obvious. The aforementioned "choices" were referenced when I stated how much I prefer the physical keyboard of the G1 to the iphone's keyboard... also when I said I was holding out for the HTC Vision.
And lol @ a "personal preference" comparison being invalid. I think the fact that I actually USE the first (released) iOS device and the first Android device is the only criteria necessary to make an opinion valid. My opinion isn't based on anything other than the devices themselves.

how dare you post thos on xda. you sir can fuk off

cheadabudas said:
how dare you post thos on xda. you sir can fuk off
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holy thread necro

Great write up to the original poster, very informative to people either side of the fence. I am a G1 user for (almost 5 years) with little experience about Apple, and your post has helped me understand what the other side is like.
However, I would have done a comparison using Opera Mini, the browser is a great addition to the G1 without which I would have dumped the phone long ago.

The Nexus Line

I'm probably inviting fire for creating a topic in a Nexus forum, but I assure you all that I'm not here to incite immature flame wars. I'm here to discuss Nexus, and more specifically, Android.
I've been reevaluating the value of the Nexus line (nevermind the impending onslaught of dual-core devices, etc. for a moment), but really evaluate what Google is doing here.
Is there anyone else that wishes they would just create a phone that is meant to be a direct challenge to the Apple iPhone? I understand the whole Android experience is built on a blank canvas, that it is your phone to customize and build the way you see fit. Granted, there are obviously perks to this. There are, however, plenty of downsides. I'm beginning to see the price of having a software company developing only the software, while a hardware manufacturer developing only the hardware. Even when the two collaborate (the Nexus line) there arises problems. I'm not going to list them, but if you care to see them, just peruse the board.
Imagine, if you will, a "Google Experience" phone that was meant for the average user. Perhaps a second "Google Experience" line so that the Nexus line can live on to keep developers happy. Imagine commissioning a manufacturer, like they would the Nexus line, to build a phone that *does* compete with the ever growing pace of mobile technology (yes, we can dive into a tangent about how fast the market changes, but anyone would agree, save for NFC, the Nexus S was dated the moment the specs were announced); I'm talking about something that is a little more future-proof than what we got. Imagine software wise, that Google changed the nature of Android to something more user-friendly. Where things were more uniformed that could cater more to the average user (how to cut and paste on an email would mean how you would cut and paste everywhere else); imagine Android being more stable (Gingerbread is chock full of glitches. many of them glaring - e.g. reboots during phone calls); yet all the while retaining the customizations and slew of options Android offers, which we love. In other words, imagine Apple iOS stability with Android's customization.
Can they do this? If they can, they surely haven't achieved it yet. If they don't want to (which I feel is Google's stance - many have said here that Google has no intention of directly competing with Apple; that the Nexus line, for example, is just meant for developers), then perhaps it's time for me to admit the Google Android experience isn't for me. Should they continue to just let other manufacturers hedge and manipulate Android to create a more user-friendly Android phone? Maybe. Maybe not. Of course, many here can't imagine a phone with skins or bloatware. But how bad is, say Touchwiz, when it can be so easily rooted and flashed to stock, or replaced by a launcher (yes, there are things deeper that this effects, but really by that much?)? How bad is bloatware, do they really do you that much harm? Is it really worth using the Nexus line for 2 updates from Google each year; of which, developers will undoubtedly make available to other phones (sometimes with more features than stock)? I don't know. Why doesn't Google reign in this fractionalization and start changing their ecosystem?
Unfortunately, Apple's environment isn't the solution either. Their "the-average-user-is-an-idiot" philosophy isn't exactly inviting as well, however, there's no denying that their platform is far more stable.
All I'm asking is, why can't Google achieve the same? Or worse, why won't they try? These are questions I don't have the answers to. I'm hoping to hear opinions and discussions. Don't get me wrong, there is plenty with Android I enjoy and admire, however, I am still critical of its shortcomings. We all should be. My criticisms stem from a desire to see it grow and be improved. Until then, the Android experience can and does sometimes feel second rate.

They think there is room for two and agree not to directly compete with one another I'd say
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What's insane is, Google and Android have gain so much momentum, so much so that I think they could easily overthrow Apple. Yes, we can talk about how Android as an operating system has surpassed iOS in some ways, but to the average user and consumer, to the cultural impact, the word "iPhone" remains king and commands respect. Again, I'm no fan of Apple's philosophy, but there is no denying their success, and more specifically, there's no denying what they get right with their hardware (the touchscreen? Unmatched) and to a lesser extent, what they get right with their software.
Google can change this, not overnight, but they can. It's sad because it doesn't seem like they want to.

You're missing the idea behind the Nexus line. It's about having a device that's independent of anyone else (in this case the carriers).
The device is meant for people like CM and crew for then to be able to innovate. Think of it as a 20% device.
Google has all the money in the world to create a competing device to the iPhone, do they want to? Absolutely not. The two Nexus devices are an entry point for innovation and an attempt to change the landscape of the current retail paradigm.
I've said it before, the "Pure Android Experience" is barebones, but it's sorta meant to be. It's an invitation to contribution by others.

Wow. Very lengthy read. Its just a phone man (IMHO) . It seems as if you are in a constant struggled to justify your purchase of the nexus s. To me the Nexus is already better than the iPhone. Its a personal choice and that's really all that matters is what's good for you. Hardware might be an issue along with some software bugs but even the almighty apple has their own (the alarm clock thing and infamous antennagate).
The nexus, or really any phone you can think of is better than the iPhone. You just need to choose to and enjoy it.
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Guys, thanks for responding in kind, and without immature heat.
You guys all bring up great points, and I get Google's intention. In many ways, it's fantastic that they are so developer friendly. So perhaps a different "pure Google" line, one that may be more catered to the average or end user? Would that be possible? I think so.
Why not create a line that could capture Apple's "average" user? Why settle for "20%"? And if they are meant to be innovators and to set the example and to shift the market paradigm, have they achieved this? It feels to me if anything, Apple's been making the "shifts." What Google has let loose has been criticized highly by everyone here (developer skins, hardware cutbacks ala the Vibrant line).
There just seems to be so much potential that is untapped - willfully untapped - for Google and Android. While it's admirable they are so privy to appease developers, there's no doubt they aren't worried about the iPhone and Verizon; there's no question that'll slowdown or even stop the growing Android market share. Is it time to change their business philosophy with Android, and if not, at least tweak it?

They have the average user phones. Look at the mytouch and the droids. They are big phones and they are very average user based. ASOP Google isn't something I would tell an "average" user to check out. Its rough around the edges UI wise, but that's something people like us want, a barebones experience. However, all the galaxy's, mytouches, droids and htcs fill that whole average space.
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They have the average user phones. Look at the mytouch and the droids. They are big phones and they are very average user based. ASOP Google isn't something I would tell an "average" user to check out. Its rough around the edges UI wise, but that's something people like us want, a barebones experience. However, all the galaxy's, mytouches, droids and htcs fill that whole average space.
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Very true. It's unfortunately we all know the downsides to going with those types of lines of phones.
I guess, it may come down to a fact I am reluctant to accept: the Nexus line may not be meant for me. I thought the whole idea of the Nexus line was to provide a pure Google experience that's unhampered by developer skins, that got the cleanest Android experience... but that hasn't been true [yet]. Gingerbread is still chock full of glitches, some easily comparable to other phones with developer skins which we shun so much. It just makes me reevaluate the worth of the Nexus line, and more generally speaking, the overall Android experience.

The Nexus line is not really geared towards the average user and will probably never sell as many phones as the likes of the Galaxy S line. Google knows this, I know this and I'm fine with it. I'm not an average user and the Nexus line is perfect for me. Both the N1 and N2 are far better phones (for me) than any iphone yet. I'm hooked on the Nexus line unless something major changes. Hell, just to not have "tmobile" or "verizon" plastered all over a beautifully designed phone is enough for me, well maybe not, but every little bit counts.

Are the glitches you speak of ones that you experience or that your reading about? Your setting yourself up to hate the nexus s if you are collecting all users bugs taking them all against your phone. I really enjoy my nexus and other than some forcecloses its been a streamline expirence. The phones' going to have problems. Its a brand new device. Your GOING to see more threads complaining about build quality compared to endorsing it. People like to complain when they aren't satisfied but keep to themselves when they are. My nexus was exchanged for a signal issue which has since never arised on my replacement, and the build is great. Force closes can mainly be pointed at the fact that your ahead of the curve on gingerbread and most apps were done with froyo in mind. I remember the same problems with new iOS versions and older apps. It happens. Personally, I think your ready for a skinned froyo device or maybe even Wp7?
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Hell, just to not have "tmobile" or "verizon" plastered all over a beautifully designed phone is enough for me, well maybe not, but every little bit counts.
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Agreed. Its just the icing on the cake. I really hated that with the captivate, especially since the rogers version only had the Samsung tag on it.
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Very true. It's unfortunately we all know the downsides to going with those types of lines of phones.
I guess, it may come down to a fact I am reluctant to accept: the Nexus line may not be meant for me. I thought the whole idea of the Nexus line was to provide a pure Google experience that's unhampered by developer skins, that got the cleanest Android experience... but that hasn't been true [yet]. Gingerbread is still chock full of glitches, some easily comparable to other phones with developer skins which we shun so much. It just makes me reevaluate the worth of the Nexus line, and more generally speaking, the overall Android experience.
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That may be it. The "Google experience" is a pretty boring experience. Moto knows this, samsung knows this, anyone who touches pure android knows this. I remember the first time I loaded up an AOSP rom on my N1.
This looks to change with honeycomb though, seeing how enthusiastic matias is during the interview in engadget has given me hopes. He looks very happy to have free reign at google. It's almost a perfect position for a graphics designer to not have to answer to anyone but yourself since android is not a product to be sold but given away.

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Hi onthecouchagain
Just wondering, does your re-evaluation of Android mean that your thinking about jumping ship to iOS or Windows Phone 7?

Look at HTC sense. IMHO apart from the friend stream it is awesome. Pity the Desire seemed laggy and I decided to ditch it for something better otherwise HTC sense blows away the user friendliness and boring-ness of iOS any day. If Nexus S isn't getting a second release like the N1 I am grabbing the Desire HD/Inspire (not a fan of touchwiz or motoblur)

You said it in your post, maybe its just not for you :/
I could never see switching to an iOS device after being with Android since the beginning. Also keep in mind that while Apple's lead on Google is small (they started maybe 6 months or so apart), that's a lot of time on the tech world. Granted, I feel like Google has stopped trying to play the catch up game and has moved on to doing their own thing, which I appreciate.
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Look at HTC sense. IMHO apart from the friend stream it is awesome.
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I like the HTC Sense UI as well, but man does it take a toll on your battery life.

ap3604 said:
Hi onthecouchagain
Just wondering, does your re-evaluation of Android mean that your thinking about jumping ship to iOS or Windows Phone 7?
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I've used iOS before and I find that the Apple ecosystem isn't particularly ideal either. Their philosophy of "the-average-user-is-basically-an-idiot" doesn't mesh well. However, that doesn't mean I can't respect the iPhone and iOS for what they get right. Not sure if I'll return to it per se, but now that I've used Android a bit more extensively, I am beginning to see the pluses and minuses of both platforms.
Haven't tried WP7 beyond playing with it in an ATT store. No real opinion about it, but I am not particular interested.
The point of my mini-editorial and of my criticisms of Android is to hope that it continues to improve. There is so much they get right, yet so much they can improve, and yet even more potential they can tap into which they seem to willfully not do. I think that's disappointing.

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The point of my mini-editorial and of my criticisms of Android is to hope that it continues to improve. There is so much they get right, yet so much they can improve, and yet even more potential they can tap into which they seem to willfully not do. I think that's disappointing.
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I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be improving, everyone is improving with newer, sleeker updates.

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I like the HTC Sense UI as well, but man does it take a toll on your battery life.
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The new MT4G has the sense ui and the battery life was amazing. I come from the N1 so I know what bad battery life is;-)

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The new MT4G has the sense ui and the battery life was amazing. I come from the N1 so I know what bad battery life is;-)
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My GF's MT4G was so horrible with battery life that we just ended up swapping it for a different phone. The bloatware and the unwillingness to want to root/rom the phone (shes not interested in that) was more than enough to drop it for her.

Fascinate vs. iPhone in Apple's territory: a funny story

Just thought I'd share this story with you guys to give you all a quick laugh :
When I walked into my local Apple Store (I was checking out their headphone selection (BOSE FTW)), a typical technologically ignorant boob of a woman stopped me and asked me if my Fascinate was some sort of new iPhone model, based on its similar looks. I simply responded: "Nope, it's better".
She was looking into an iPhone, and she continued to ask a pantheon of facepalming questions: "What's an Android?", "Does that have apps?", "Can I go on the internet?", etc. I proceeded to demonstrate how the Fascinate was better in just about every category. Well the look on her face after that point pretty much resembled that of a cross-eyed sloth, but she said that she was going to return home and "research" the pros and cons of the two phones.
I'd like to think that I did a good deed that day by prolonging (or preventing) an iPhone purchase and glorifying the Fascinate .
You're all welcome to share any of your own iTard encounter stories here as well!
EDIT: It seems I've been getting a lot of hate for thinking Bose is "ftw". Can someone make a suggestion of what else out there is better? (Not trying to be incompetent, just honestly curious)

Anytime you can turn someone away from the iPhone is a DEFINATE WIN.

1 less iSheep hopefully

Haha that made me laugh. Since we are sharing stories I'll share one of my own. I work in retail and a lady once walked up to the mobile phone booth, looked at a Captivate and said she wanted to purchase one. She kept reiterating saying how she was so glad to finally have it. After everything was wrapped up with the sell she left and went to a nearby AT&T store and told them she got an iPhone and needed to purchase a case for it (cause she didn't like ours). They told her that wasn't an iPhone and she stormed back to our mobile booth and very ignorantly said she didn't want that phone and wanted to replace it with the iPhone even though she used the Captivate and liked it. It's this ignorance of people that have no idea how smartphones work that makes me angry. Apple is good at collecting sheep and for a while that was almost me until I laid eyes on the Captivate that was love at first sight. Ended up getting a Fascinate.

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iPhone worshipers were brain washed.
They think Samsung copied iPhone design.
See this picture. Who copied whose at the first place?
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Guys, we shouldn't get stuck in simple ideological gridlock. I believe the answer to most things is in the middle, rather than at the extremes. Now then, I love the open modifiable nature of Android. But to claim the Fascinate easily overpowers the iPhone is quite a narrow one sided view. Such a view is really propaganda.
Both my brother and coworker have the iPhone 4. Both are EE's who researched it and not simpletons. The battery life of the iPhone 4 blows the fascinate out of the water. While I get a max of 3 hours of display on time, they easily enjoy 8 hours. This is no small difference, I'm constantly short of battery at the end of the day with my fascinate.
I run launcher pro and get pretty smooth UI animations, however it does jitter and jerk here and there. When scrolling any list the processor is pegged at 100% usage. (Part of battery issue) Now then the iPhone 4 is silky smooth in every way, never pausing or jerking UI animations. It's excellent software design.
Every major game developer praises the iOS development environment. (C/C++) All significant 3D games launch on apple first... then maybe some come to Android later. Who wants a performance game running on a freeking Java virtual machine? OK, so Android can have native code too and ver 2.3 removes some JVM handicaps, but there are 0 games taking advantage of 2.3. Plus the fascinate is still on 2.1. Apple has tons of games that run awesome right now.
I like my Fascinate, but iPhone 4 can hold ground against it *very* easy.

Having had an older and much laggier iphone (3g no s), I can say that the iOS experience then, still is better than the time I have with my phone since i got a nexus one. I liked it better at first because it wasn't laggy, I was just happy with it being snappy. And then I went on the Android market.... SMGDH.... Does it have apps? Yeah... but they suck ass, hard... My gf hasn't downloaded ONE app on her fascinate since I got it for her, and what girl doesn't download apps on an iPhone?! Exactly, ... if there were anything worth downloading she probably would have by now... For me, it's kind of good that android doesn't pull my interest away from the computer and other aspects of my technological life, it is just my phone... I like android because it got me OFF the phone from being on it as much as I was on it when I had an iphone. Flashing roms is fun n all, but SSH'ing into my jailbroken iphone and theming it was wayyy easier, music player was better, and of course the games... i had asphalt 5 then (they have like fkin asphalt 7 now), in 2008/9 and it worked better than on this phone or my friends epic? #fail... I had quake 3 on the iphone and that did not work as well as my fascinate, but either the 3gs or the iphone4 will smash this phone at the 1st person shooters available, and that's what im into. So hopefully they make it with a bigger screen this year, and a little secret... Black people don't argue about which smartphone is the best, the ones that use them, know the iPhone is the best, we just can't afford AT&T's hella crazy plan, but we love to use Evos and Epics on Boost mobile and Fascinates on Cricket =/. I pay less than my homeboy who just got the i4 from the 3gs, (130 - 1 line / 115 - 2 lines) #Winning.

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Having had an older and much laggier iphone (3g no s), I can say that the iOS experience then, still is better than the time I have with my phone since i got a nexus one. I liked it better at first because it wasn't laggy, I was just happy with it being snappy. And then I went on the Android market.... SMGDH.... Does it have apps? Yeah... but they suck ass, hard... My gf hasn't downloaded ONE app on her fascinate since I got it for her, and what girl doesn't download apps on an iPhone?! Exactly, ... if there were anything worth downloading she probably would have by now... For me, it's kind of good that android doesn't pull my interest away from the computer and other aspects of my technological life, it is just my phone... I like android because it got me OFF the phone from being on it as much as I was on it when I had an iphone. Flashing roms is fun n all, but SSH'ing into my jailbroken iphone and theming it was wayyy easier, music player was better, and of course the games... i had asphalt 5 then (they have like fkin asphalt 7 now), in 2008/9 and it worked better than on this phone or my friends epic? #fail... I had quake 3 on the iphone and that did not work as well as my fascinate, but either the 3gs or the iphone4 will smash this phone at the 1st person shooters available, and that's what im into. So hopefully they make it with a bigger screen this year, and a little secret... Black people don't argue about which smartphone is the best, the ones that use them, know the iPhone is the best, we just can't afford AT&T's hella crazy plan, but we love to use Evos and Epics on Boost mobile and Fascinates on Cricket =/. I pay less than my homeboy who just got the i4 from the 3gs, (130 - 1 line / 115 - 2 lines) #Winning.
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Cool story bro. Go buy an iPhone. Baaaaaaaaaa.
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While convincing someone to look into android over ios puts a little money in a better place and technically gives them a better devise, I think its a bad idea. For starters an average person with no knowledge or any desire at all to learn any platform is going to have a hard time with both. either device in the hands of such a person will leave them cursing it.
Right now most people are utterly convinced they want and need a smart phone. For those that can't work the microwave (not an insult at all), neither device is right for them no matter how better android is. I have just recently convinced four people into their smart phone decisions, two of them I recommended iphone, and two android. While I have no doubt the two iphoners arnt going to be happy (as they seem to have a hard enough time with making calls on their feature phone). I prefer them being disappointed in apple.
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I prefer to and need to use my phone as more than just a simple toy or entertainment device such as the iPhone. What makes Android a significantly more productive operating system? Three things:
1. Widgets: no need to open miscellaneous app to see when I have an appointment, my calendar is a screen away.
2. The notification bar: its just plain useful: emails, texts, alerts, all at the swipe of finger.
3. Download ANYTHING: I can download virtually any file on the internet and view/edit it as I require - unlike the simplistic PDF viewer and limited email downloading capabilities support of iOS.
Would I buy a 15 year old an Android? No, they most likely can't take advantage of its best features. Would I buy it for someone who needs information without the time consuming glitz and glamor of iOS? Absolutely.
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That is funny. And I dislike the iPhony for a number of reasons. But, I believe there are a lot of sheeple out there that need the iPhony, and she sounds like one of them. Clueless about what the different options are that are available to her. No idea what she wants to even do with a smartphone. She needs someone to hold her hand and give her a nice quiet place to be in. The iPhony may offer that better then an Android.
Someone tries to take me by the hand and show me what to do, it is going to involve kicking, and fists swinging, so I want a more open system.

The main problem here is the fact that iOS and Android are, at this point at least, are about even for the consumers with "average" knowledge of computers that have more than likely grown up using them. Anyone above average that likes to tinker with their devices should quite obviously get an android phone, anyone that is below average that just wants a few apps and to make phone calls and doesn't really want much more than a feature phone with apps should likely get the iPhone. Lets face it android is more like a computer than the iPhone is and therefore, is more confusing for people at first and if the person that gets the android phone doesn't even really know how to properly work a computer will more than likely get confused with the android phone more than they would with the iphone

Ahhh, the simple minded views abound. It is possible to admit the assets of other devices without feeling dissapointed in yours. Most people realize this as they mature. People who should get an iPhone:
1) Anyone, techy or not, that is busy and has no time for tweaks and mods, but yet wants all basic smartphone functions to work immediately and perfectly.
2) Anyone wanting all the best 3D games
3) Anyone without constant access to charger. Battery life of most android phones is pretty bad. I don't want a 3000 mah battery mod for my phone, I want it to work out of the box with iPhone 4's 8 hour screen time.
Now then, its no surprise at all that apple sells a ton of these devices. Please stop being surprised or mad that apple is doing so well. Please acknowledge the areas that they accel, and instantiate yourselves as mature humans.

I kept a close eye on the android os when it was first released and I have always loved smart phones. My first was an imported Sony Ericson p800 (the full touch screen in early 2000's would blow people's mind haha). I absolutely loved my experience with the og droid and fell in love with android. However, with my experience with the fascinate, and the overall direction of most carriers to locking down these handsets more and more, I am starting to reconsider staying with android. Lets face it. These software manufacturers, barring HTC, and phone carriers, are all terrible at software and lack any kind of vision regarding user enjoyment. They are all about maximizing profits and "differentiation" Motorola almost went out of business because they suck at software. They have forgotten this and now insist on making their own adjustments to android that just make things harder to use. With the increasing difficulty of getting android back to stock, it is becoming less and less attractive. I believe phones like the droid is the pinnacle of the android experience, an experience that is becoming more and more rare. It seems the nexus phones won't see the light of day on verizon, who has the best network as well. If the iPhone does indeed have the rumored 4 inch screen, I would have to look at it seriously.

So you are a phone elitist talking down on a person that doesnt know about android,
yet you go to the apple store to buy ****ty bose audio products? What a horrible life you must live to have your day brightened by this type of event.

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So you are a phone elitist talking down on a person that doesnt know about android,
yet you go to the apple store to buy ****ty bose audio products? What a horrible life you must live to have your day brightened by this type of event.
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Hey, I wasn't talking down to her. I'm a salesman, and I was simply demonstrating the features of the Fascinate.
And Bose in my opinion is pretty damn good compared to the equivalent in skullcandy or Sony.
Also, I never stated that it brightened my day. I stated that it was a funny experience that I'd like to share with you all.
Hope that changes your tone =/
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The Fascinate and Android to me are better because of the iPhone, prior to 2006 all phones pretty much sucked. iPhone changed the game.
I feel that Apple Computers are better than Windows. I received an iPad 2 as a gift and I do not like the iOS 4. I prefer Android....
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sheep...
anyone that i hear around me that desire an iphone i have to ask them why they want it. what will they use it for. Then i show them my fascinate running cyanogen 6.2 and they are blown away. i tell them you cant do this on apple products. period. there is no customization. its either apples way or the highway. For people that like to customize and make the phone theirs in every way i recommend android, but for the douchebags that want an iphone because its an iphone...i say let them be sheep...apples digging its own grave by trying to sue samsung for something apple stole from them in the first place. yay apple...

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The Fascinate and Android to me are better because of the iPhone, prior to 2006 all phones pretty much sucked. iPhone changed the game.
I feel that Apple Computers are better than Windows. I received an iPad 2 as a gift and I do not like the iOS 4. I prefer Android....
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Facepalm...

iPhone4 vs Fascinate?

Well my sister is wanting a iPhone4. I'm telling her it's an absolute waste of money... The IPhone4 was already a fail compared to the Fascinate. Any other phones youd recommend? Or any other reasons why she SHOULD get a fascinate?

well from what I have read the fascinate is alot easier to work with in terms of rooting. Im a newb lol so somebody else could explain this better. Do some research and read the stickies... that will help alot. I can say my grandmother has the iphone4 and the SF blows it away imo. Alot lighter for one, bigger screen, better app market and ability to customize the phone.

My opinion is that the Fascinate is a better piece of hardware, but the IOS is clearly superior to android in that it runs faster, smoother, and has less 'issues'.
For instance, Im battling massive battery drain. In the past, I often had a problem where I would wake the phone to make or receive a call, and it would be very slow and unresponsive for 15-20 seconds. Like it was doing a bunch of background crap when I was trying to use the phone. This should never EVER happen.
When the phone is being used, either dialing, in contacts, or on the dial pad, it should receive absolute highest priority since thats the primary use of the device. All other background tasks should be put aside so the user can place the call correctly. The fact that this is not the case shows me the OS is not designed correctly.

^my sf does not have that problem at all....

Best thing you can do is to tell her to go test the phones out at the store and pick the one she likes. Dont pressure her into getting what YOU want, it's her decision and it will be her phone.

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well from what I have read the fascinate is alot easier to work with in terms of rooting. Im a newb lol so somebody else could explain this better. Do some research and read the stickies... that will help alot. I can say my grandmother has the iphone4 and the SF blows it away imo. Alot lighter for one, bigger screen, better app market and ability to customize the phone.
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I'm not a fan boy but you have a couple of your 'facts' wrong.
1. Rooting or jailbreaking my previous iPhones were as simple as going to a website (jailbreakme.com) and pressing a button that said "Jailbreak". Not sure how that is harder that what needs to be done to my SF but....
2. Better app market on android than iPhone? Seriously?
Each phone has it's pro's and cons. I've had every iPhone that has been released but now have a SF. I miss some things about the iPhone but overall like my SF better. But my wife wants to go back to the iPhone because it is "easier to operate" in her words. Some people just like the simplicity that the iOS gives you and don't care about all the customizations you can do on android.
So it depends on what you want to do with your phone.

The good news is the 30 return policy. Maybe have her try both for a month and see what she likes and doesnt. Start her with the fassy though

piizzadude said:
The good news is the 30 return policy. Maybe have her try both for a month and see what she likes and doesnt. Start her with the fassy though
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as of feb 1st its been 14 days....

Android will soon take over Apple, it's a definite. Just remember, Android is a kid right now while iPhone is a grown man (lol lame).
Cool things about Android that are not the same about iPhone:
*Android has a much more open market. Google doesn't moderate apps as hard as Apple does, so there are many more possiblities.
*Android has homescreens/homescreen widgets!!
*Android apps can 'work together' with the use of intents and such, while Apple does NOT let apps work or talk to eachother.
*Android is Google. Google is awesome.

I do not like the Iphone, but in this case I would competely reccomend it, because if she isnt too good with electronics the Iphone is perfect. Big Buttons on the front for everything lol, and its just more in style I guess...

This is what I tell people about Android vs. iPhone. I feel that both are great in different ways.
iPhone is great for its simplicity & app store. You can sync your music, videos, pictures, and data on your computer. I don't think there's a similar program for Android (yet). iOS is pretty simple, straight forward. The software is streamlined and quicker to learn than Android. I say that because you can do more with Android, but it just takes more time to get the hang of it. Apple's App Store is better right now. More quality apps there. Also, some developers feel that it is more profitable than Android Market. There are a few apps that I wish were for Android but other than that, it's whatever. Usually you can find equivalent apps on both platforms.
As for an Android phone, it's great for people who like to customize and tinker around. I enjoy the community support greatly, it's a huge plus. Users and developers can enhance the experience of Android software WAY faster than iOS. I'm talking about bug fixes, tweaks, mods, themes, etc. Home screens, launchers, widgets, and custom roms are all HUGE pluses over iPhone. There is total customization here and it's amazing how you can change your phone and make it better from when you first get it. My Samsung Fascinate would be 'just ok' but thanks to custom roms, community support, and so on, it makes the phone much, much better!
Cons to Android are that it is sometimes buggy as Android software is used over many different phone brands. Apple develops software for JUST iPhone so their software will be more stable. It's like how Windows software runs on many different hardware (Dell, HP, Acer, etc.) so it doesn't always perform the same w/brands but Apple builds both their hardware and software exclusively so it doesn't have issues like that.
If you want something simple, easy, that "just works" and does the thinking for you, go iPhone. If you enjoy technology, exploring, and like to push your phone to its full potential, Android is the way to go. More possibilities and potential there.

whoisandy is completely right, it isn't a matter of which is better universally moreover it is about which device is better for its user.
I have used both devices, made calls, listened to fans of both and all it comes down to is what works for you.
I love the customization of android, the open source support, and the ability to choose what device is right for me.
The Iphone is an amazing phone and for someone who is not much of a gear head it will be perfect. It is always up-to-date and supported. Everything will be taken care of with the Iphone.
Both are great phones with amazing potential but to say one is better then the other is a little ignorant and self serving.

I agree with the two posts above me. Each phone is great for its own reasons. Let her try them both and make her own decision.
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This is what I tell people about Android vs. iPhone. I feel that both are great in different ways.
iPhone is great for its simplicity & app store. You can sync your music, videos, pictures, and data on your computer. I don't think there's a similar program for Android (yet). iOS is pretty simple, straight forward. The software is streamlined and quicker to learn than Android. I say that because you can do more with Android, but it just takes more time to get the hang of it. Apple's App Store is better right now. More quality apps there. Also, some developers feel that it is more profitable than Android Market. There are a few apps that I wish were for Android but other than that, it's whatever. Usually you can find equivalent apps on both platforms.
As for an Android phone, it's great for people who like to customize and tinker around. I enjoy the community support greatly, it's a huge plus. Users and developers can enhance the experience of Android software WAY faster than iOS. I'm talking about bug fixes, tweaks, mods, themes, etc. Home screens, launchers, widgets, and custom roms are all HUGE pluses over iPhone. There is total customization here and it's amazing how you can change your phone and make it better from when you first get it. My Samsung Fascinate would be 'just ok' but thanks to custom roms, community support, and so on, it makes the phone much, much better!
Cons to Android are that it is sometimes buggy as Android software is used over many different phone brands. Apple develops software for JUST iPhone so their software will be more stable. It's like how Windows software runs on many different hardware (Dell, HP, Acer, etc.) so it doesn't always perform the same w/brands but Apple builds both their hardware and software exclusively so it doesn't have issues like that.
If you want something simple, easy, that "just works" and does the thinking for you, go iPhone. If you enjoy technology, exploring, and like to push your phone to its full potential, Android is the way to go. More possibilities and potential there.
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Great post!! I retract my previous post and will say that for me the android phone is better due to fact I love to tinker and customize things lol. Iphone is a great phone....probably the better option for someone like my grandmother who just wants it to do everything for her.

Ya know though if you dig hard enough, you can actually customize an iPhone. Had one for a while jailbroken (rooted), and baseband unlocked running on T-Mobile. The alternative market, Cydia, that installs when you jailbreak has apps to customize the springboard (iPhone's launcher). There's even a console app. Underlying the interface is just yet another Linux variant. There's a txt file you can edit to ramp up the clock speed (at least on 3g and 3gs) and make the os snappier, at the cost of battery life.
The part I really hated about it was being chained to a computer running iTunes. If it glitches bad, and won't boot for some reason, unless you've been synching it religiously, you loose data back to your last sync. Kinda a pain, so...
That tiny 3.5" screen hurts my head after having this 4" on my fassy. I'll never use a phone with a screen under 4" again. It is, however, slightly easier to hold the phone in one hand, and reach across with the thumb on that same hand to hit the far side of the screen cleanly on a sub 4" screen foe folks with small hands, like me, but I'be adjusted.
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hahah...say grandma, are you a sheep. or are you a wolf...hahahahaha..
im kidding.
like posted before. iphone equals simplistic.
android equals possibilities. no matter how much you jailbreak an iphone, you wont obtain the same level of customization that you will with the android phones.
my thoughts, why get her either anyway? get her something that doesnt require so much thinking. My grandmother, was a firm believer that a phone was a quote" goddam phone first and everything else second" so maybe an iphone or fascinate isnt what she needs.
I say this comfortably knowing that even friends of mine have grabbed my phone to place a call and have to ask me how to get to the damn dialer. of course i said FU touchwiz, and changed everything. but still. Take her to the store, and let HER choose which one she wants.
unless you want her to get a fascinate so you can try new roms and **** out on hers without having to brick yours....you evil bastard genius you lol

that word "iphone" should be a word that you say out of anger ex: "holy iphone!" and in that context only

If your sister doesn't want to do research/understand the pros and cons of each phone then the iphone is probably a better bet, due to her wanting something that "just works" as others have said.
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I have had my fascinate for 3 months now, my wife got the iphone 4, she wanted to try the fascinate so we swapped phones, i use apple products, we have and iMac, macbook air, ipad and all that crap, but when i used that iphone 4, it just felt boring, it felt like it was missing a bunch of features that i had with my fascinate.
don't get me wrong, is one hell of a phone, great built quality and everything but i missed my fascinate so much and we ended up swapping again, as soon as i got my fascinate i rooted the f*** out of it and made it the way i like it, and im happy with it, no word on iphone 5 yet but honestly im more excited about the Galaxy S 2 if verizon ever gets it.

^Agreed.^ Anyways I would wait for the iPhone 5 and the Galaxy S 2 because those will be out by June for sure.