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just in case you guys are interested
there supposed to be giving a live webcast about the X1 today at around 1 PST
here is the link
http://www.sonyericsson.com/premiere/
i'm goin to try listen in and see what happens.
Seems i've missed it...
Gonna wait for the recording.
God, won't september 30th come already?
I watched this event and have to say I was incredibly disappointed by it. The phone that Magnus was using was so ridiculously slow that I thought it was actually broken. Really. He had a panel that looked fairly customised with the usual array of time/weather/shortcuts/calendar etc and when he opened the keyboard there was about 3 seconds of delay before the screen rotated. However, it didn't stop there. It only redrew most of the screen. It took over 10 seconds for the phone to redraw the icons in landscape mode. How can this possibly be acceptable? 10 seconds?!!? magnus said he had been using this phone as his personal phone for nearly a year and he said he loved it. How many times has he switched from landscape/portrait and wasted 10 seconds of his life waiting for his phone to catch up.
Further to that, the whole thing seemed ridiculously laggy. He covered it up very well by pressing a button and then talking about the feature whilst waiting for it to load. It was painfully obvious though to anyone in the know what was really going on.
I have seen the recent video on theunwired and the screen rotation looks very fast, which is excellent. But perhaps when you have a more heavily loaded panel that fast screen rotation becomes a thing of the past? Also disappointing was the lack of accelerometer.
I was so keen for the X1 but that was 9 months ago. Now I'm going to wait another month or two and get the Touch HD. It lacks the keyboard, but I'll learn to live without.
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Also saw what you did, but he came on a chat at Modaco afterwards and said that he had a lot of apps open; which could be true...did you see how fast Google Maps came up? Each panel is it's own desktop and programs on it keep running, bound to be a memory hog. He was supposed to be using a retail version also, so should be as fast as the unit at The::Unwired.
To be honest, I never have been happy with my TyTn II for the screen rotation, and looking at video of the Touch Pro it doesn't seem much faster.
Maybe if you set the task manager to close apps when you switch away?
I've just rewatched it and it actually took 16 seconds to rotate the screen at one point!!! Surely that's not acceptable, even if there are plenty of apps running. A device can be made smarter than that with more efficient code.
i didn't get a chance to watch but i dunno i had a lot of really high hopes for this phone but it looks like i might be leaning more towards a touch pro but we'll see how long my wizard holds up before i make decisions about what to do
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For those who miss it, you can watch it @:-
http://www.inxperia.com/index.php/2008/09/15/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-webcast
There is another (GREAT!) review from Arne available:
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=videoview-hands-on-with-sony-ericsson-s-latest-xperia-x1-built
As you can see, the switching of orientation is very fast in all examples in this video (today screen, photo browser and opera). The LEDs are amazing and the whole device makes a very good impression to me. I also like the "moving slideshow" feature.
It's quite responsive and even the panels pop up in time.
If the reception quality is also good then this will be definitely my next device.
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There is another (GREAT!) review from Arne available:
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=videoview-hands-on-with-sony-ericsson-s-latest-xperia-x1-built
As you can see, the switching of orientation is very fast in all examples in this video (today screen, photo browser and opera). The LEDs are amazing and the whole device makes a very good impression to me. I also like the "moving slideshow" feature.
It's quite responsive and even the panels pop up in time.
If the reception quality is also good then this will be definitely my next device.
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yea i'm just lookin at this now and i like this a lot better then that crappy webcast they did earlier
arnie did sony a lot more just then they did themselves
wow after watching the SE webcast I find myself turned off by it, you would think they would of added more razzmotazz? Anyone remember the HTC diamond press release? I'm swaying back back towards getting a pro now
Switching between portrait and landscape mode just seems to take milliseconds only and also the panels start much faster than before.
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Let's hope so.
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wow after watching the SE webcast I find myself turned off by it, you would think they would of added more razzmotazz? Anyone remember the HTC diamond press release? I'm swaying back back towards getting a pro now
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you should check out the other link posted it gives the xperia better justice then that
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you should check out the other link posted it gives the xperia better justice then that
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yep just watched it and I must say it does give it more justice, I'm back to waiting for the release so a proper comparision can happen.
Well the suit guy (what a douchebag...) did say that he has been using THAT device since february, so it's probably some alpha version of the device
While the other video it's the almost release beta version.
I still think the device that modaco have done a small video review of is too slow. I mean, surely we're past the stage where we have to wait for things to happen. I don't want a phone that you press a button then wait for something to happen, or open the keyboard and wait for the screen to redraw. The first Diamond roms were a fairly slow, and after updating mine it was much better, so perhaps something like that will occur with the xperia. If not, I'll be glossing over this sexy device!
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yep just watched it and I must say it does give it more justice, I'm back to waiting for the release so a proper comparison can happen.
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yea same here i just hope my wizard hooks up long enough if not i might have to get a tilt and might wait till refurb's of the X1 are selling
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Well the suit guy (what a douchebag...) did say that he has been using THAT device since february, so it's probably some alpha version of the device
While the other video it's the almost release beta version.
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i know if i had be using my phone for that long with out any backups or a new rom update my phone would have probably been as slow as that also
given that he's not a romhead like us if you don't know what to do with it you'll just let it be unlike us rom start running slow we flash it with something new with the quickness
I'm incredibly disappointed.
Response time for screen switching was a joke ... I've never had an issue with my TyTN or TyTNII ... even though I know some have ... but it was several seconds on the X1 in the video. Also it then seemed to take another 10 seconds to finish populating the screen with icons. The guy then left it open which suggests to me he didn't want to draw too much attention to the time it took.
They were reluctant to answer most technical questions and skirted over the ... it doesn't have tv out one. I was also amazed no one commented on 30FPS performance issues ... I watched the recorded one. I suspect they avoided any difficult incoming questions.
My gut feel is that this will be a very poor showing in it's initial release and if the P series are anything to go by ... updates fixing issues will be few and far between.
This was looking like a dream phone for me ... but now I'm not prepared to buy without trying first hand.
The TouchPro isn't enough of a jump over the TyTN II - same rubbish stills and video and no extra width to the screen ... 800x480 is native for most websites ... so the extra resolution for WVGA makes far more sense than VGA and the G900 showed me there were no issues with apps.
The Touch HD excited me ... and I thought I may get away without the keyboard ... but it also worries me in too many areas ... the first ... although it is 5mp ... the lens is no where as big as the N95 and therefore won't get enough light in to produce decent pictures ... and video is still QVGA which is just crazy for a modern high end device ... it's a little like bring out a car today with a 3 speed auto ... it was fine in '78 with a big old Ford Essex ... but not today. There are also many unanswered questions - Is there TV-Out or not ? How will games be played or those apps that rely today on the dpad - many today screens like Breeze etc ? The touch sensitive buttons ... if they are like the Samsung's we will all be closing calls with out cheeks mid conversation and dialing people when we just pick up the phone to move it.
Why can't these designers think a little. The capability of these phone is amazing now ... but they always miss out those essential things that make a device genuinely complete ... and I don't think it is to hold options for future devices, I just don't think the designers really think things through.
I feel .... very frustrated.
It is always amusing to read the bad and good feelings of all of you here without having one in your own hand. All pre-series and not one of the sold version.
I don't mind this all. I took a great risk to buy the Toshiba G900 with all the bad experiances written about (and the first rom might have been very poor). And what did happen? The G900 is the best manufactured PPC I ever had -best build quality ever seen. With its high resolution it is not slower than my TytnI before. And there you had to wait a good time switching portrait- to landscape-mode.
I am sure the X1 will not only give his owner a very unique design feeling but a good basic to work with. There may be faster PPC, there may be PPC with other features. But most people will buy it in cause of the large screen offering so much more than just 2,8" vga
Buying the X1 will mean not to take the most advantage with games, but texts, internet or similar. Just where the screen has its best sites
if i know htc there will be a Touch HD pro with slide out keyboard after Touch HD
I am trying to decide which phone to buy: Touch Pro , Touch HD, or others. I like the bigger screen on this one but I read somewhere that it is only 16bit color (65k colors). Is that true or was the review mistaken? It seems strange sicne that wouldn't be enough for good quality pictures and video.
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I am trying to decide which phone to buy: Touch Pro , Touch HD, or others. I like the bigger screen on this one but I read somewhere that it is only 16bit color (65k colors). Is that true or was the review mistaken? It seems strange sicne that wouldn't be enough for good quality pictures and video.
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More than enough for any human, 65k like any other good ppc.
I think I saw in the specs that it's an 18-bit screen.
I also read that WM only supports up to 16-bit colour.
16-bit isn't enough for all purposes, especially photos with smooth gradients such as blue skies. Of course 18-bit would still give some banding.
OK, I did some mroe reading and the screens are 18 bit (both Touch pro and Touch hd) but the software is set for 16 bit because its easier on the processor. The 65k colors will be enough. I had thought my iPAQ was more but its the same. I jsut wanted to make sure I could run my AnywhereMap software on the Touch HD.
I heard that the Touch HD can't do 3G on US networks. Is that true and, if so, is there a hack to get around it?
"I heard that the Touch HD can't do 3G on US networks. Is that true and, if so, is there a hack to get around it?"
no htc device ever supported a hack to change the hardware supported frequencies so
doubt blackstone will be different
about the colour nr
then i'd say on such a small screen
16bit should be enough very large screens
one can see the diff with large colour changes on surfaces
but small pda screens one would have to be close
to touching ones eye with the screen to see and then
be being blinded by the backlight would make it impossible anyway
Looks like it CAN do US 3G afterall.
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/19/htc-touch-hd-is-compatible-with-us-3g-frequencies-surprise.html
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Looks like it CAN do US 3G afterall.
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/12/19/htc-touch-hd-is-compatible-with-us-3g-frequencies-surprise.html
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Nope. It can't.
It's also pointed out in the fourth reader comment at that same URL. The author just missed a very crucial "or" in the specs. I would assume the service manual states what the hardware could be configured to do. It seems that the current hardware is set up for only the first half of that "or".
I'm using the Touch HD on AT&T in the US. No 3G.
One thing I have noticed about my Xoom is that the LCD seems to have a fairly low refresh rate. This is most evident with the blacks 'smearing' quite noticeably when the screen scrolls. You can see this effect in the game Angry Birds by scrolling left and right (watch the yellow birds especially). I also noticed watching a movie that had a lot of dark scenes in it.
Has anyone else noticed the blacks smearing/ghosting on their displays? The moto website offers no specs on these displays at all, other than resolution. I wonder what the refresh rate really is? Anyone know?
edit - found another post about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1018619
Ghosting test
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/testsoftware/ghosting.html
Rob
Whoa, but the thing is I never noticed it LOL. I guess it can't be that big of a deal is there is only 2 small threads on the subject.
I put my xoom next to my computer monitor and I was amazed by the results. One good thing is that my computer monitor has zero ghosting issues.
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Whoa, but the thing is I never noticed it LOL. I guess it can't be that big of a deal is there is only 2 small threads on the subject.
I put my xoom next to my computer monitor and I was amazed by the results. One good thing is that my computer monitor has zero ghosting issues.
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A comparison against a computer monitor might not be fair if the monitor is a TN panel. They generally have quick response times, but poorer viewing angles and colour depth.
Most people won't notice the ghosting under normal circumstances and it's going to be a non issue for them. It's entirely possible that other tablets are no better, but I have nothing to test against right now. Although I am quite curious how the others perform in this regard. I have watched Futurama episodes on the Xoom and they looked great, but Harry Potter not so much because of the darker images. I had been wondering if some of these tablets are using the same LCD panels (except for the Asus which has an IPS panel).
Rob
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A comparison against a computer monitor might not be fair if the monitor is a TN panel. They generally have quick response times, but poorer viewing angles and colour depth.
Most people won't notice the ghosting under normal circumstances and it's going to be a non issue for them. It's entirely possible that other tablets are no better, but I have nothing to test against right now. Although I am quite curious how the others perform in this regard. I have watched Futurama episodes on the Xoom and they looked great, but Harry Potter not so much because of the darker images. I had been wondering if some of these tablets are using the same LCD panels (except for the Asus which has an IPS panel).
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Ah ok, I do have a TN panel so that explain things.
I might test this out on the iPad 2 + Transformer during my next best buy visit.
I'm going to visit staples tomorrow and do some testing with the Acer and Asus models. I have to return the Moto folio case while I am at it... We don't have the new Samsung or Toshiba tablets available yet here in Canada, not until the middle of August.
Rob
my xoom is a week old and this is really bugging me...
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my xoom is a week old and this is really bugging me...
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Return it. Now is the best time, don't wait until your return period is over and then become one of the habitual complainers...
I tested the Acer and the Asus tabs at staples today. The Acer had the same amount of ghosting as the Xoom which leads me to believe they use similar display panels. Although there was still some ghosting with the Asus, it was considerably less than either the Xoom or the Acer. The IPS panel Asus uses simply has better refresh rates it appears.
Conclusion? The Xoom is still a great tablet. The GPS works fantastic, the sound is good and the build quality is excellent. Buying another tablet is not the answer because every single model has its own strengths and weaknesses. It will drive you crazy if you keep trying to find the perfect tablet - one doesn't exist (yet). You have to buy one where the strengths suit your needs and you are willing to accept the weaknesses as just the way the tablet is made.
Rob
I noticed it in the day one.. it is like the plasma tvs.. but i dont think it is about the pyhsical refresh rate of the screen.. it is more likely about the frames that the gpu creates per second.. after i realised ghosting i put my xoom next to an ipad 2 and at first i could not see any ghosting in ipad when scrolling through the menu icons.. but then instead of throwing the icons with my finger i moved them slowly and there it was.. the ghosting of ipad 2 was even worse.. so i guess it can change with software adjustments..
I ran the test on my xoom and it did ghost. I then ran it on my nexus one and there was no ghosting at all.
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Is there a way to change didplay refresh rate in android os?
hello, this is a hardware problem and and there is no software possibilitie to solve it. To answere your question, even if something would exist to change the refresh rate in android, that would not really change it because an lcd panel only works with one unique refresh rate on the contrary of the old crt's monitors.
You're right, i forgot it! And is it possible to change the fps of the desktop?
Here are two videos I made with the SIII, first the unboxing, then the demo for the gestures.
Note that I left out the direct call and pick up to be notified functions as I didn't have a microSIM card.
Feel free to ask whatever question about the phone and I'd love to answer or test things for you. Enjoy watching!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GauEbTHJYNk&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edbhVsWdngo
Edit: I forgot to mention that I've fiddled with the S Voice in multiple languages (I'm not a native speaker of either of them) and it surprised me how well I managed to get along with the app. It's responsive, useful and can easily understand you (I'm kind of shouting at it because I wanted to get it right, but it works very nicely). Can't wait for the Romanian version!
Cool!
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Tomorrow I'll be giving back the SIII, so post questions, if you have any, while I'm still able to verify things for you!
How were you able to acquire such a beast before release?
I'm with the Samsung Mob!lers Romania and we almost always get the devices prereleased. Unfortunately they are beta products and can have faulty software, but luckily I had no problem whatsoever with the SIII. Stay tuned for a full video hands on and many other Samsung devices
Funniest part is when it open maps in Korean language
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Rate your UX with the new nature inspired TouchWiz. How is it different than S2 TW? Smoother? Any small, but experience enhancing changes?
Reviews have shown that the stock S3 browser is much better and less laggy than the S2. Can you confirm this with real life usage?
Unfortunately I have no S2 at hand to try out, but what I can say based on my experience with TouchWiz is that it's very sharp and quick and in the time I used it I had no intention of using a custom launcher. The browser is the same I have on my Tab 2, and prefer it over Chrome, but I can't say how much faster it is than the predecessors.
There are many users talking about the possible screen issues on the SGIII. Were you able to notice some kind of tinting?
Thank you for your time and great videos by the way.
I saw some topics talking about the display quality, with a slightly pink hue, but the model I have is just perfect. A lot of people complain about the oversaturation, but I think the colors are very very vivid. You get four different display color settings to match your taste, with dynamic being the flashiest and then standard, natural and movie.
I've tested everything out and I never got a force close or any kind of error, although it got stuck in S Voice once, but bear in mind that I don't have an actual production model.
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i read about other reviewers saying this too. very cool. thanks.
And here's the full review, a short presentation of the features. I particularly love the screen, crisp clear as you can see in the close up at the end. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-fcYW3GRS0&feature=youtu.be
Thank you, Flo.
EDIT: Now I see that the other guy has replied to my question about the reader and the answer is that it is available for most sites!
Is there a "reader" type function in the web browser? In one other video demonstrating text reflow, the reviewer pressed an icon in or near the address field to go into a "reader" mode! So clearly it does exist, but the reviewer was browsing mobile wikipedia when he did it, I was wondering if it is available when for example reading an article on Gsmarena in desktop mode?
I didn't see any reader button so I can't say if there was one, when I browsed I simply used the text wrap on the standard double tap zoom, never at different sizes.
If it's the same browser with the one I have on my Tab 2 (ICS 4.0.3) then there is no such feature, but they nay be different.
have u used or looked at a htc one X before? if so could you make a brief comparison of its screen with the sgs3 screen?
I have only seen them separately and I only know that both displays are amazing. A romanian reviewer whom I trudt has made a detailed comparispn between them and he favours the screen of the One X. In terms of resolution or color tones they're both overkill, but he says that the visibility in heavy sunlight is better on the One X.
I can only say that there's nothing you can possibly use the screen for that requires a higher resolution. Check the close up in the end of my gestures video to see how crisp clear it is!
Fantastic mate. Thanks for the videos.
If you still have the device with you can you try to shoot and upload a video showing the multitasking capability. Open as many apps as you can including games and browser and switch back from one another to see how well is it functioning ?
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I gave the phone back, but I've tested the problem reported on the One X, that the multitasking was not working properly (reloading web pages when switched back to the browser etc) and I can completely vouch for the multitasking on the S III. It switches the apps flawlessly and keeps them in the RAM not requiring a reload.
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And here's the full review, a short presentation of the features. I particularly love the screen, crisp clear as you can see in the close up at the end. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-fcYW3GRS0&feature=youtu.be
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haha love the comparison with the 5110. I had that phone about 14 years ago and it wasn't considered to be a big phone back then.
Facepalm the phone to silence it is EPIC !
Hi,
After owning a kindle touch and loving it I needed a second reader so I ordered a new Nook simple touch glowlight (the older one with the sd card).
I just finished charging it up and was amazed to see that sometimes the bottom of the screen shows faded text (see images attached).
I know that in the kindle you can force an e-ink refresh on each page load but I didn't see that on the nook.
Is that a defect or is that normal? anyway to stop it from happening?
Thanks!!
This seems to be quite normal in all NSTwGs I have seen. There is no way to set full refresh rate in original firmware unfortunately. To change that setting you have to root your device. (NookManager is the way to go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2040351 ). It is a simple process and takes about 15 minutes (rarely up to 45min if you have a lot of books on internal memory). You will then be able to set screen refreshing mode and full refresh rate as you wish. And by the way you will be able to install apps reading many more than stock formats, including .mobi (AlReader, FBreader).
Thanks!
I will surely get it rooted asap then.
BTW - given an option to send it back for a replacement - should I do that or is this not a "defect" per say and simply a software glitch?
As far as I know (or, as I understand the bits of knowledge I managed to gather) it is combination of software and hardware issues (or should I say "reasons"?).
1. Software part is that lack of access to the full refresh rate setting in OF.
2. Hardware part is a tiny potentiometer hidden on the eink assembly. Different batches of those panels have their own best working voltage. Is seems to be responsible for the contrast and ghosting of each panel.
3. The last part kind of mixing both of the above is a waveform driver encoded on eeprom chip on the ribbon cable on each eink panel. It is responsible for correct display of all shades of gray. Strangely it is said to affect pictures mainly. (look here: http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218927 ). This one may be not present in NSTG. I don't remember now and I am not in the environment I would like to take my Nook apart in to check it.
What I am trying to say is - I saw that there are differences between units of NSTG in terms of ghosting intensity, and contrast ("whiteness" of the paper I call it). And I suspect that the source of those differences is in not the highest possible quality control in terms of fine tuning each device. Second thought is that somehow each batch of the screens have noticeably different peak performance possible to achieve even with most precise tuning.
Answering your question: you may or may not end up with a better unit than the one you have now. Next one may have slightly less noticeable ghosting, but have lower contrast. Or you may be given a better one unit in every aspect? It seems to be a pure lottery if you can't choose from whole bunch of them tested live in your hands.
But... maybe there is someone with better, precise and more dependable knowledge than my non-engineer suspicions and fantasies.
I think that I would send it back.
I think it's an imposition to use full refresh all the time.
The stock reader had a setting for refresh rate in the shared preferences (the file, not the GUI).
I think that later versions didn't.
My reader app has a setting for refresh, I keep it on Never.
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I think that I would send it back.
I think it's an imposition to use full refresh all the time.
The stock reader had a setting for refresh rate in the shared preferences (the file, not the GUI).
I think that later versions didn't.
My reader app has a setting for refresh, I keep it on Never.
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On the topic of your reader app, I've noticed that the screen refresh setting only works in .epubs, not in .pdfs. What's up with that?
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thenookieforlife3 said:
On the topic of your reader app, I've noticed that the screen refresh setting only works in .epubs, not in .pdfs.
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It works fine on mine.
Are you sure that PDFs are opening in my reader app?
giliav said:
Is that a defect or is that normal? anyway to stop it from happening?
Thanks!!
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For me it seems defective, at least I've never seen this happening on my NSTwGL... There are some ghosting now and then, but not half missing characters.
Just remember, you can only exchange it for a new one or a refund within 14 days with B&N, after that it's a warranty replacement that's certified pre owned.
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Is B&N even taking returns anymore? I thought they "broke up" with Nook.
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Is B&N even taking returns anymore? I thought they "broke up" with Nook.
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They definitely are, my warranty was up a couple of weeks ago, told them that the battery wasn't holding a charge, sent a certified pre owned that had a small scratch on the screen, sent another pre owned that refused to recognize my SD card, just received a brand new retail in the sealed box. And to top it off the original support rep told me to include my charger which I purchased separately , all of the replacement devices didn't include it so they just shipped me a new retail power kit with the charger and cable. Definitely can't fault B&N customer service! Quality control on the other hand.
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Wow, touché then, my friend! Lucky you!
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Persistence pays off, just took a bit of phone time to find the right person to get things done. As a humorous aside, I inadvertently dialed 1-800 The Nook, instead of The Book, let's just say that it's adult oriented and has absolutely nothing to do with :B&N!
OB
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