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HTC Magic - worth getting?

Hi all,
I'm normally found (every so often) in the Xperia section (current handset ofc). I have another mobile contract which is coming to an end and have been intrigued by the Magic. I got to play with one today and was pretty impressed (although the GPS was quite a bit off in Google Maps) - the form factor and the fact it is so light was a big plus. The screen was responsive and very clear.
So I guess my question is how have you guys found it in a slightly longer term perspective?
What is the marketplace like and are there a lot of useful apps worth getting?
What is the browsing experience like?
How is the GPS (i.e. accuracy and time to lock)?
How are the media capabilities (namely music and video)? And does anyone use stereo bluetooth headsets with it?
And lastly how good is the contact management/calendar management? Can you get upcoming appointments/reminders to show on the home screen? How many Google calendars can you sync?
Thanks to all who reply!
Fuzzmo.

I guess from the non-replies - No!

I love My g1 dont have the magic hasnt come out in the state yet. the 1.5 update for the g1 is awesome so im guessing the magic is amazing.

Quite a nice phone, but i might send mine back. No sync with Outlook. WTF? This is to force us to use Google products instead.....
Hmmm.... no tar
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no replies cos its a strange question to ask in a magic forum..... android is so much better than WM its not funny- i came to android from a WM phone and it is total daylight between the 2. I had a HTC Touch HD for a couple of weeks, and while the screen looks nice the sensistivity of the screen is terrible compared with the capacitive screen android uses. WM is slow as well.
Magic is definitely worth it- there are so many android phones coming out this year apparently so there will be a lot to choose from by the end of the year...

oh yeah, no Music download store.....
Apple WWDC on Monday, The new iphone is looking good!

mwatson said:
Quite a nice phone, but i might send mine back. No sync with Outlook. WTF? This is to force us to use Google products instead.....
Hmmm.... no tar
Shame
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dont use outlook myelf but my mate does and he says he has an app that he uses to sync with outlook...

MontAlbert said:
dont use outlook myelf but my mate does and he says he has an app that he uses to sync with outlook...
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How do they expect to compete when the most simple essential thing like syncing can't be done? Even my old SE k750 for 6 years ago could sync my contacts and calendar on Outlook.
I've tried the app too but it doesn't work. I understand this is only affecting the Vodafone branded Magic.
Thanks for the tip though..

mwatson said:
oh yeah, no Music download store.....
Apple WWDC on Monday, The new iphone is looking good!
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How can you say its looking good when all we have to go on at the moment are rumours based on thin air of what we think it might be. And what some creepy old guy who reviews phones said, but he didn't really reveal anything.
But I'm unsure whether to get an iPhone, if the next one is a massive improvment and brings something awesome to the table I might get it. Otherwise I'm getting the Magic.
Just my predictions for the next iPhone....A higher resolution screen, possibly OLED, more RAM, 32GB version, bluetooth which can transfer files not just a headset, bigger battery, thinner phone. That said, I think the Samsung i7500 (android phone) will be able to beat it on all points except RAM.

mwatson said:
Quite a nice phone, but i might send mine back. No sync with Outlook. WTF? This is to force us to use Google products instead.....
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You can sync your contacts, etc. using HTC sync.
In can be found in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519270
I'm defiantly getting the magic. I don't like apple and I want something different from my Tytn II that I have been using (and loved) for the past 20 months. It has heaps of apps, you can tinker with it... my type of phone.

AdamHC said:
How can you say its looking good when all we have to go on at the moment are rumours based on thin air of what we think it might be. And what some creepy old guy who reviews phones said, but he didn't really reveal anything.
But I'm unsure whether to get an iPhone, if the next one is a massive improvment and brings something awesome to the table I might get it. Otherwise I'm getting the Magic.
Just my predictions for the next iPhone....A higher resolution screen, possibly OLED, more RAM, 32GB version, bluetooth which can transfer files not just a headset, bigger battery, thinner phone. That said, I think the Samsung i7500 (android phone) will be able to beat it on all points except RAM.
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I'm going by the recent announcement in Marh of 3.0 not any predictions. I'd put my money on new iphone on Monday.

G1 Very Sluggish

Not that I'm asking for help about the sluggishness, it's just that the G1 is just overall way more sluggish than my friends iPhone 3G. As in web pages load WAY faster (Wifi on both devices being used). The UI is way more snappy.
And I understand the trade offs I'd get with an iPhone. No true multitasking or alerts from apps (like twitter email etc. . .) No Gmail push (I think) no Google Cal sync over the air, or contact sync OTA. All these things are great, but I dunno, I think I'm going to crossover into iPhone land soon. The G1 just became a let down for me after using it closely for about 6 months. And using other peoples iPhones on and off.
This is just a rant. And mostly I'm talking about browser load speeds and UI. It would be nice if Google maps oriented the direction we're facing since it has a compass. But the new update is moving in the right direction. Love the walking directions. But I think I'm gonna move on to 1 app at a time, Draconian app approval, HYPE land, release 5 HW revisions before making a new product, iPhone land.
Any Takers. Who can refute my arguments. I'm using Google Ion ROM also.

Heh, and the iPhone 3GS supposed to be even faster!

You're pretty much begging for a flame by asking that in here.
It's all down to personal choice and preference. Your thread isn't about your 'sluggish G1'; You're asking us to convince you why you need a G1.
Nobody cares that you no longer want a G1. But don't make a new thread masquerading as a plea for help that is really about:
Any Takers. Who can refute my arguments.
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i hope you enjoy your seemingly faster (much more expensive, much less useful) iphone.
my personal experience has been different, but you seem like the kind of person who wouldn't be convinced even with hard evidence.

Alright. Well. I don't benchmark or use "hard evidence" tests, I just go off the feel of things. Of course I know the iPhone is locking you into a Lot of things. But a jailbroken iPhone 3G / 3G S will be more fun app / mobile safari. And as far as a reason for keep the G1 I'm not looking for a reason. I've rooted the phone, used apps2sd 2 with an ext3 partition. Made sure data/data is in intmem etc. . . The Rom dev is great, but an iPhone is like having an SL500. Of course more gas, higher maintenance cost. G1 is like having a nice truck that's a hybrid. It just doesn't feel as sexy. It can do Way more, but its a truck.
I'm cool with hearing other reasons why the G1 isn't sluggish etc. I'll listen, but I was just posting this out of my frustration of a slower browser and slower UI. I don't really know what the flame talk was about or me covering up intentions. These are just phones. But I think a jailbroken iPhone 3G beats out a rooted G1. Plus I'm not trying to ssh into my linux server with debian installed over hero.
Anyway, its just a conversation I wanted to spark with people who understand what I'm talking about. Not to mention the apps are a big plus too. And don't get me wrong, the g1 is good for the things it was built to address. The iPhone will just be more fun.

do you have all the newest and update firmware and radio installed?
your title is misleading.
also, only way to find out which one is better......... go and get both and use both and decided from there

I'm pretty sure I have the newest firmware. Haykuro's that was causing bricks on non PVT boards. I was using JF 1.51 ADP. I moved to cyanogen mod of JF. I moved on to hero, then google Ion rom. Oh and the sapphire rom. Ion rom was fastest, but iPhone's overall fell and touch is simply night and day. So is the browser. Steel was great before cupcake but it closes so much now its not even useable.
Oh yeah, radio is up to date too, hence the non bricked phone. Nevermind no 3G here in our area. I just want to hear others opinions before I drop 300 / plus a deposit for bad credit / and charging me for txt msg! But I'll have more apps.

The g1 does seem to get sluggish over time. I would try a wipe. That should restore the speed of the phone.
However, there's no getting around the performance of the iphone as it supports 2d hardware acceleration. The g1 and android only does software rendering so its never going to be faster than the iphone until the google devs start supporting 2d hardware acceleration (g1 has a graphics chip so it should be possible).
I personally don't find the g1 very sluggish. Maybe its sluggish compared to the iphone (I don't know as I don't have one to compare with), but on its own, the g1's UI is quite snappy (i'm running cyanogen ROM).
larrygates said:
Not that I'm asking for help about the sluggishness, it's just that the G1 is just overall way more sluggish than my friends iPhone 3G. As in web pages load WAY faster (Wifi on both devices being used). The UI is way more snappy.
Do you have a lot widgets running or background tasks? All those take up memory and cpu cycles which will end up slowing down the phone a lot.
And I understand the trade offs I'd get with an iPhone. No true multitasking or alerts from apps (like twitter email etc. . .) No Gmail push (I think) no Google Cal sync over the air, or contact sync OTA. All these things are great, but I dunno, I think I'm going to crossover into iPhone land soon. The G1 just became a let down for me after using it closely for about 6 months. And using other peoples iPhones on and off.
This is just a rant. And mostly I'm talking about browser load speeds and UI. It would be nice if Google maps oriented the direction we're facing since it has a compass. But the new update is moving in the right direction. Love the walking directions. But I think I'm gonna move on to 1 app at a time, Draconian app approval, HYPE land, release 5 HW revisions before making a new product, iPhone land.
Any Takers. Who can refute my arguments. I'm using Google Ion ROM also.
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Here's my take:
I love the iphone ! I think it's the best comsumer phone (and i'm not kidding). The 1 app at a time applies to G1 too (almost): try playing Mafia then going to the browser (or another game) and back... Good luck with that !
Now the reason i use the G1 is that i NEED to be connected to yahoo messenger, i NEED to have my tweets as soon as they come (i use twitter for work). And i NEED a hardware keyboard. And i NEED weather on a widget, and background downloading of RSS feeds (NewsRob). And i NEED better integration between apps (i'll explain).
When Push notifications come to the iphone, things are going to change. It will be very close to what i have now on my G1. The only things missing would be the RSS thing and the HW keyboard.
About the integration: I can click share on a picture, and it will list the programs that can do something with it (like Twidroid). I really like this, and there are more examples.
Now, what you have to ask yourself is: What do YOU need ? When you know that, you'll know what you have to choose.
Bah, long post. I hate long posts.

Do you find the G1 UI significantly more sluggish than the iphone?
RPG0 said:
Here's my take:
I love the iphone ! I think it's the best comsumer phone (and i'm not kidding). The 1 app at a time applies to G1 too (almost): try playing Mafia then going to the browser (or another game) and back... Good luck with that !
Now the reason i use the G1 is that i NEED to be connected to yahoo messenger, i NEED to have my tweets as soon as they come (i use twitter for work). And i NEED a hardware keyboard. And i NEED weather on a widget, and background downloading of RSS feeds (NewsRob). And i NEED better integration between apps (i'll explain).
When Push notifications come to the iphone, things are going to change. It will be very close to what i have now on my G1. The only things missing would be the RSS thing and the HW keyboard.
About the integration: I can click share on a picture, and it will list the programs that can do something with it (like Twidroid). I really like this, and there are more examples.
Now, what you have to ask yourself is: What do YOU need ? When you know that, you'll know what you have to choose.
Bah, long post. I hate long posts.
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dwang said:
Do you find the G1 UI significantly more sluggish than the iphone?
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If i were to rate UIs of phones (based ONLY on smoothness) i would give the iphone an 9/10 and the G1 a 8/10.
The thing is... actually the difference mostly comes from the touchscreen sensitivity. There are two bad things about the G1 here:
SPOILER ALERT: After reading you might notice new bad things about your G1...
1. Try touching the screen with a small part of your finger (the very tip) and you'll see it won't register. This happens more in real life than you would think...
2. Try opening the notification bar SLOWLY and you'll see it shakes as you move your finger. If you stop mid-way it will shake most of the time... Actually any list will shake if you drag it and then stop... kinda cheap.
3. The sides of the screen in portrait have a "snap" zone. Try moving an icon to one side, and it will stop folowing your finger at a moment, then it will snap to the border. (On my phone this only happens on the right side. On the left side it's worse. I CAN'T register touch on the edge there. It's a nightmare to move an icon to a screen to the left.).
I knew HTC was bad news when i dug deeper into my Kaiser.
So.. G1 actually 7/10... Android on a good phone 8-8.5/10.

Yes this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not very in the know, but I do know how to follow directions and root phones. But YES the missing HW acceleration is felt when I go from iPhone to G1. It's unsettling. But . . .
dwang said:
The g1 does seem to get sluggish over time. I would try a wipe. That should restore the speed of the phone.
However, there's no getting around the performance of the iphone as it supports 2d hardware acceleration. The g1 and android only does software rendering so its never going to be faster than the iphone until the google devs start supporting 2d hardware acceleration (g1 has a graphics chip so it should be possible).
I personally don't find the g1 very sluggish. Maybe its sluggish compared to the iphone (I don't know as I don't have one to compare with), but on its own, the g1's UI is quite snappy (i'm running cyanogen ROM).
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You gave pretty much all the reasons I waited for the G1 and went with it. I knew it acted more like a computer and actually integrated different api's into 1 whole (if you will). Or let the app devs get to the api's. But I like having my feeds come to me without thinking, I like twitter updates, I love gmail being like my old blackberry exchange solution. I WISH live maps or mesh or whatever it's called for Windows Mobile 6.1 would come to android. Someone asked about widgets etc. I disabled all widgets, actually I wiped to a clean Ion Rom that isn't running anything in the background but essentials. It's the HW accel I'm thinking, and the sensitivity of the touch screen. It's great on the iPHone. These were the replies I was looking for. Just something to chomp on before I make any moves. Cause I'm seriously thinking about making that move. I'll lose a lot though. But I'll gain a lot back.
Oh yeah, how come maps on the G1 doesn't auto orient like the iPhone does now. We have a compass, and the new maps is better, at least it shows the direction, but I have to rotate the phone though.
RPG0 said:
Here's my take:
I love the iphone ! I think it's the best comsumer phone (and i'm not kidding). The 1 app at a time applies to G1 too (almost): try playing Mafia then going to the browser (or another game) and back... Good luck with that !
Now the reason i use the G1 is that i NEED to be connected to yahoo messenger, i NEED to have my tweets as soon as they come (i use twitter for work). And i NEED a hardware keyboard. And i NEED weather on a widget, and background downloading of RSS feeds (NewsRob). And i NEED better integration between apps (i'll explain).
When Push notifications come to the iphone, things are going to change. It will be very close to what i have now on my G1. The only things missing would be the RSS thing and the HW keyboard.
About the integration: I can click share on a picture, and it will list the programs that can do something with it (like Twidroid). I really like this, and there are more examples.
Now, what you have to ask yourself is: What do YOU need ? When you know that, you'll know what you have to choose.
Bah, long post. I hate long posts.
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The iphone 3gs does look pretty great, but I'm not switching from tmobile to att just for the iphone. There's going to be some nice android phones coming down the line, hopefully with upgraded cpu and memory to match the pre and 3gs. That should narrow the performance differences significantly. And hopefully android 2.0 (donut) finally implements 2d hardware acceleration.
larrygates said:
Yes this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not very in the know, but I do know how to follow directions and root phones. But YES the missing HW acceleration is felt when I go from iPhone to G1. It's unsettling. But . . .
You gave pretty much all the reasons I waited for the G1 and went with it. I knew it acted more like a computer and actually integrated different api's into 1 whole (if you will). Or let the app devs get to the api's. But I like having my feeds come to me without thinking, I like twitter updates, I love gmail being like my old blackberry exchange solution. I WISH live maps or mesh or whatever it's called for Windows Mobile 6.1 would come to android. Someone asked about widgets etc. I disabled all widgets, actually I wiped to a clean Ion Rom that isn't running anything in the background but essentials. It's the HW accel I'm thinking, and the sensitivity of the touch screen. It's great on the iPHone. These were the replies I was looking for. Just something to chomp on before I make any moves. Cause I'm seriously thinking about making that move. I'll lose a lot though. But I'll gain a lot back.
Oh yeah, how come maps on the G1 doesn't auto orient like the iPhone does now. We have a compass, and the new maps is better, at least it shows the direction, but I have to rotate the phone though.
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See I'm worried about that. Why wouldn't android have he hw accel. I'm using an iPhone now to post this. Hw key is good, but this iPhone is very nice. I'll try to hold out and see. But I'll take it up the a!! Yeah I'm getting one. A 3G S.
dwang said:
The iphone 3gs does look pretty great, but I'm not switching from tmobile to att just for the iphone. There's going to be some nice android phones coming down the line, hopefully with upgraded cpu and memory to match the pre and 3gs. That should narrow the performance differences significantly. And hopefully android 2.0 (donut) finally implements 2d hardware acceleration.
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larrygates said:
See I'm worried about that. Why wouldn't android have he hw accel. I'm using an iPhone now to post this. Hw key is good, but this iPhone is very nice. I'll try to hold out and see. But I'll take it up the a!! Yeah I'm getting one. A 3G S.
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Well you laid out the talking points pretty well in your first post (and frankly aside from multitasking, iPhone OS 3.0 has fixed a lot deficiencies), so if you're set on an iPhone, just go for it.
Frankly, if having used a G1 for a while you are still considering an iPhone, then the iPhone is probably a better product for you. Reasons such as avoiding being locked into Apple's closed ecosystem probably weren't ever a factor for you at all.

Hey thanks for the civil post. The last thing you said is a hard one along with at&t. Apple is pretty slick with marketing, and they're hardware upgrades really screw you. Plus I think one of the guys here said something about dual core chips in phones next year.
About the Eco system hopefully jailbreaking side steps a lot of the walls on the phone. We'll see. I need to wait some things out and see how the dev team comes along. Someone said I should look into the pre, but I wonder if its similar to the G1.
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Well you laid out the talking points pretty well in your first post (and frankly aside from multitasking, iPhone OS 3.0 has fixed a lot deficiencies), so if you're set on an iPhone, just go for it.
Frankly, if having used a G1 for a while you are still considering an iPhone, then the iPhone is probably a better product for you. Reasons such as avoiding being locked into Apple's closed ecosystem probably weren't ever a factor for you at all.
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Bah. This is only personal preference nonsense. Go get the iphone if ur tired of the g1.

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Hey thanks for the civil post.
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Just because i'm using and love the G1 doesn't mean the iPhone is a bad phone. I really don't have time to spend writing up a long convincing article why you should stay with the G1, let alone flame-coat it.
The last thing you said is a hard one along with at&t. Apple is pretty slick with marketing, and they're hardware upgrades really screw you. Plus I think one of the guys here said something about dual core chips in phones next year.
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All hardware obsoletes, iPhone or otherwise. It's just a fact of tech life. If you constantly wait for the better hardware upgrade then you will never have any hardware at all.
About the Eco system hopefully jailbreaking side steps a lot of the walls on the phone. We'll see. I need to wait some things out and see how the dev team comes along. Someone said I should look into the pre, but I wonder if its similar to the G1.
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Obviously the phone is better in some respects than others. But for example it will only sync with iTunes. I will never install iTunes or Quicktime ever again because they are poorly written pieces of spyware crap. Also, the cloud sync clearly prefers Mobile Me as the primary service. Remember when Mobile Me launched? It was a pile of cowpie. Even Apple admitted this.
The iPhone has a sleek interface and a powerful advertising machine behind it. That's why it and the iPod are such popular devices among consumers. However, being that I am an engineer by trade, I'm not so easily swayed by Apple's glitzy advertising. In that respect, iPhone's deficiencies, past and present come into stark contrast. For example, the inability to multitask userapps is just ridiculous. I actually want to receive my emails and instant messages in realtime, without having to open the Google App. Some people say "just use SMS", which opens up a whole new bag of rant about how SMS is the most ridiculous ripoff scheme ever...

One thing I want to mention regarding sluggishness is if u are running one of those third party home apps like dxtop or ahome, I would try uninstalling those and see if your sluggishness goes away. Also, badly written widgets can cause slowdowns as well. The g1 isn't as fast as the 3g but it really isn't that slow. Especially if u are running ion at 528mhz or cyanogens rom.

jashsu said:
Just because i'm using and love the G1 doesn't mean the iPhone is a bad phone. I really don't have time to spend writing up a long convincing article why you should stay with the G1, let alone flame-coat it.
All hardware obsoletes, iPhone or otherwise. It's just a fact of tech life. If you constantly wait for the better hardware upgrade then you will never have any hardware at all.
Obviously the phone is better in some respects than others. But for example it will only sync with iTunes. I will never install iTunes or Quicktime ever again because they are poorly written pieces of spyware crap. Also, the cloud sync clearly prefers Mobile Me as the primary service. Remember when Mobile Me launched? It was a pile of cowpie. Even Apple admitted this.
The iPhone has a sleek interface and a powerful advertising machine behind it. That's why it and the iPod are such popular devices among consumers. However, being that I am an engineer by trade, I'm not so easily swayed by Apple's glitzy advertising. In that respect, iPhone's deficiencies, past and present come into stark contrast. For example, the inability to multitask userapps is just ridiculous. I actually want to receive my emails and instant messages in realtime, without having to open the Google App. Some people say "just use SMS", which opens up a whole new bag of rant about how SMS is the most ridiculous ripoff scheme ever...
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Out of curiosity, how is SMS the most ridiculous ripoff scheme ever?
Also, a friend of mine has a 3.0 beta developer firmware of the iPhone which allows multitasking. I myself found a cheap 4gb iPhone on Craigslist and am planning to unlock it for (most likely) a backup phone or business phone, when I've seen both phones and compared for about a week I'll post my findings here.
I was noticing the same sluggishness and such with the G1. You have to remember that, if you're like most users on the forum here, you -are- using an unsupported version of the phone, and it's not working how it's supposed to and how the provider intended for it to be used. Someone else mentioned this, but third-party apps also contribute to that. Depending on what you use, some apps could constantly be taking up extra memory and make your use of the G1 more of a chore, because of the time it takes to open up even a browser.
Anyway, to OP: You could just do what I did. Instead of spending $300 on a new iPhone that you have to dump out another extra $x-amount for new service at AT&Suck, why not just buy a used one on Craigslist or eBay and unlock it? Then you can use it with your current T-Mobile service and not have a lot of extra loss. You don't even need to get rid of your G1, just use one or the other as a backup or something.

Why do YOU choose an Android?

Hi everyone, yes it's me again
With the HTC Aria being my first smartphone (my previous cellphone is a Sony Ericcson W890), I'm curious about several things. I gotta tell you first that I'm absolutely unfamiliar with programming language.
I chose the HTC Aria because it's an Android (even though I have absolutely no idea what Android is fully capable of!), and a pretty looking phone it is!
Secondly, I'm tired of the peer pressure from all my Blackberry friends, especially because they are always in their own little world all the time even when we meet!
Anyways, I managed to get my hands on a rooted Aria last week and loving it. My only understanding of a rooted phone is so that I can have all the features open, that otherwise would be disabled by AT&T and/or HTC. Sounds great to me because I've been eyeing the Aria for some time — and it's not even launched yet here in Jakarta. What else can I do right?
I'm not a developer or programmer, and I probably don't need to do fancy stuffs with my Aria besides:
1. Making & receiving calls
2. Sending & receiving SMS
3. Being in touch with friends via Fring (any suggestions on better IM services?)
4. Being able access my Gmail and other email account anytime I need
5. Play games once in a while (waiting at the dentist or what-not)
6. Access to Maps and GPS cos I tend to travel now and then
7. Having a reminder in my pocket all the time (using the default Calendar)
8. Take notes occasionally (with Textedit)
9. Access to useful widgets/programmes that I may not even know yet at this time (ie. live traffic, stocks, etc).
Simply, I just wanted a phone that:
• Gives me access to the internet at all times
• lets me be in touch with overseas contacts via instant messaging
• has GPS & Maps capabilities
• looks great!
Call it a waste but perhaps someone can point me in the direction of taking full advantage of the available features/capabilities? Should I even bother to upgrade to Froyo if my use is pretty basic? Why do YOU choose an Android?
I guess I'm trying to justify the real reason I got this phone LOL
Thanks!

Being a former Windows Mobile user, I made my choice to go with Android last spring after Microsoft announced Windows Phone 7. For me I didn't see the benefit of moving to a new 'verison 1.0' even though Microsoft was behind it and I sure didn't want to wait until November to even get a chance to see one.
With Android, you can see the progress that has been made in 2 years to make a stable and mature product and it remains open for customization unlike the move Microsoft made with Window Phone 7.
Personally I love the Aria form factor and now Froyo 2.2 thanks to the group who brought us CM 6. The phone features just flat work and the apps that are available just add to the usefulness.
Regards,
Tom

I didn't want an iPhone... so the Aria won me over.
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Noz85 said:
I didn't want an iPhone... so the Aria won me over.
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ditto. I much preferred the chic form factor and working GPS vs the captivate. It just feels good.

I like android OS. I call ATT and ask about upgrading and they try to push the iPhone on me I told them I wanted an android phone. Then they tried to push a Windows phone so I told them i wanted a android phone. So I order the aria from amazon.
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Cause Android is probably the best Mobile OS I have ever used. My best friend had the G1, and I loved it. Then after all of the other carriers jumped on board, more of my other friends were getting an Android OS phone. I got the Aria, cause it is an HTC phone, and every friend of mine that has Android, has an HTC, and they have never had any problems.
I am also a graphics designer at heart, so the availability of being able to customize the phone is an added plus.

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I've been following Android development since there was the news about Google purchasing a small company making a new OS for phones and it being named Android. Regrettably, I didnt had the money to buy one. And then the iPhone came out, with it's blazing fast OS that no Android could compare (heck, even today some top android phones are a bit laggy, I know why, but still).
So I wanted the Android experience of a truly customizable OS (coming from a S60 Nokia), the beauty of Sense (I fell in love when I saw it the first time in WM) that joined to the reliable hardware of HTC, a snappy phone (I hate lags), a small phone (idk why everybody goes for the 3,7+ inch screens) and then, the Aria came out, with its screws in the back, rubberized, sober, yet like a powertool in the inside.
What, can I say, InstaFav :]
Now I just need to get used to a battery-hungry phone...

Thanks for participating in this thread.
Meanwhile, I'm still browsing the forum and tinkering with exploring the phones' settings and pretending to be busy at the office

Android is just too awesome

One word...Tasker.
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I got an android because I didn't want to have to carry a desktop pc or laptop around with me everywhere like you would with an iphone (everything has to be done through itunes etc..)

Disappointed

I can feel the flames coming
OK I am definitely not disappointed with the Hardware itself. Great form factor and I converted a few of the office Apple fanatics to it... Some guys in my office actually bought the tab after seeing mine
It's my first Android device and... I am disappointed by Android (Flames coming closer) or more precisely by the lack of refinement of the "productivity" apps.
Let me be more precise: I come from the WM 6.5.5 world (boooh). Android OS is definitely more stable (No memory leaks, etc...) more finger friendly, etc... BUT also
* It has way less options, at least in its stock version vs my custom made WM ROM (Sure my Grandma could use it (This is iOSesque type of OS), but that's not exactly what I am expecting for myself)
* The email app, so much praised in many reviews is still way behind outlook for WM. I miss the little arrow sign indicating me whether the email was forwarded, replied, etc... Not even talking about all the options available in pOutlook that definitely simplify the everyday life. A lot of very simple things are just not there. If you have multiple attachments, you need to download them one by one (Have to wait for the first one to be downloaded to have the option to download the second one). Unbeded links and pictures are displayed immediately when in Outlook they are blocked first to protect you in case it's a fishing email. Etc, etc...
* You don't have a single box (Or let's say single app) for SMS, MMS, eMails
* Implementation of Activesync is not good, neither full. SMS are not synced, and there seems to be bugs and quirks here and there (Why the hell is my Sent box often TWO DAYS late on sync ?? Just havent found a way to fix this. It just refreshes... sometimes, when it feels like it)
* Copy and paste is not present everywhere, I cant seem to be able to copy from any text I see on the screen (In WM just long press and then you get the copy and paste menu and the ability to select some text). It's possible in some places that have been thought for, but not from anywhere
Etc, etc... I definitely appreciate the slickness of the OS, the smoothness overall (That said I believe my TP2 would also be super smooth with a Hummingbird processor on board...). The fact that it's a growing platform allows to have access to the latest apps while there was barely anything new for my TP2 these days. But yeah, honestly... a lot of the applications need more refinement. I guess this will grow with age (hopefully) but it's definitely not there yet at least out of the box
I am not saying this for the sole purpose of criticizing. I will keep my Tab and I do like it. But I thought the jump would be without regret and it's not the case for the moment. I feel more like I did a compromise and a move taht had to be (No interest in a closed platform like WP7 and can't stay on a dieing one). And hopefully some of you while reading me will point me to some solutions they found for themselves, some suggestions of third party applications. meanwhile I still go back and forth between my tab and my TP2 and I find it easier to email with the TP2 (OK the physical keyboard helps too) while also cant take my eyes off HTC Sense (This I know it's just up to me to make some effort and install the right stuff to have great home screens)

You have some valid points (copy & paste, sms+emails in one place) but the other features are so obvious.
You can't compare the native apps on Win (Outlook, Active Sync) that suppose to work well on Android. I wouldn't think this is a surprise.

Android definitely has a little bit of a learning curve. My EVO was my first android OS device and after learning the little quirks I am a borderline fanboy.
I am not sure I agree with the comparison to iOS. I think Apple does a lot more "dumbing down" where Android gives you more freedom but you have to learn how to use it. Apparently it's working well for Apple. Can't fault their success.
Are you missing copy/paste in a certain app? I used it just last night (just got my tab yesterday) copying my Launcher Pro plus key from an email to LP. Menu>More>Select Text>Copy, I think. Long press where you would like to paste.
Anyway, give it time. I think it'll grow on ya.

Yes you're right I was a bit unfair to compare with iOS
And yes it's true it's evolving the right way
Copy and paste: simple example. How do I copy amd pate text from a webpage?

I believe you have to press the menu button, go to 'more' and then hit 'select text'. After that gliding your finger over text will select it. Its still not refined because it doesnt add the two 'pins' to move your selection area...that is in Gingerbread I think.

More gives me only print, share page and page info...
Unfortunately...
Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
And some emails answers sent... Without the text I typed (empty)
And of course since I dont have the aent emails for the past 2 days I juat cant event check this
I understand it's normal to expect Microsoft technology to be better implemented by Microsoft. However if Google wants to be serious with Android in the enterprise world they need to work on their exchange implementation
honeatly this email problem is just incredible...

Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
That said not to be unfair the market of free apps is quite impressive (compared with WM)

I think Android is great. The new Android 3D maps are amazing both on my Nexus One and Galaxy Tab.
That said, my single complaint so far is the lag in the native browser and with Dolphin HD. I can't say I blame this on Android OS because my N1 does not have this problem. I'm a noob so I blame this on Samsung.

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Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
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Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?

Alcibiade said:
Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
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Except that unlike Android, WM is not free in and of itself anyway, so the comparison is slightly flawed - only slightly though because as an end user you do not pay directly for WM, the OEM does!
Personally, I've found Wyse PocketCloud to be excellent, even in its free incarnation - it was so good, I bought the Pro version!
Of course, no OS is perfect - despite WM6s age, it still has some strengths. In many ways, it's a shame that MS threw the baby out with the bathwater with WP7!
Regards,
Dave

Alcibiade said:
More gives me only print, share page and page info...
Unfortunately...
Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
And some emails answers sent... Without the text I typed (empty)
And of course since I dont have the aent emails for the past 2 days I juat cant event check this
I understand it's normal to expect Microsoft technology to be better implemented by Microsoft. However if Google wants to be serious with Android in the enterprise world they need to work on their exchange implementation
honeatly this email problem is just incredible...
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Android gets a lot of blame for things that have been modified by the vendor. I've been on Android since the launch of the G1. One thing I can tell you is every device is different. HTC has their own Exchange client, same with Samsung. Many times I see their proprietary apps cause these problems. It's the price we pay for open.
The Galaxy Tab's ROM is pretty flawed. Typical for a first gen device. I'm counting the days till an update is released.
My suggestion is go with an Exchange client from the market. Touchdown (no longer called that) was generally considered the best or just hang on till the next update. For SMS I use Handcent which I love.
Alcibiade said:
Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
That said not to be unfair the market of free apps is quite impressive (compared with WM)
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All enterprise apps demand big bucks. In Wimo's case that's a MS app hence free. But all the other enterprise stuff is $$$ for any platform. I agree with the other poster, PocketCloud is very good. I also have an Ipad and can tell you their apps are totally "luxuary" priced.
Give the platform more time. You're new and things are different so you're just going to see the negatives. Over time I would be shocked if you could even look at a wimo device...much less use it on a daily basis.

orenxda said:
Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?
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Wait what ? That happened to me couple of days ago.

orenxda said:
Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?
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Yeah I think we can blame Samsung about this. It's a real shamr cause I answered in a similar fashion to the wrong girl... Got in little trouble... But in the end kind of funny
Anyway shame on Sammy on this one. Very unprofessional...

Been reading the previous posts. My point was not to be critical of the OS itself. I do believe it's a much better OS than WM. It was much more about the applications that are still rough on the edges and not as mature as for other platforms
another example: in the samsung messaging application you cannot click on an HTML link to go straight to the webpage. Which year are we? 2005?

I too am very happy with my TP2, but I want a 7" phone. Although the Tab is the most close, it is still not there: many web contents are still available to WM and iPad only, the CDMA versions cannot make calls and are too pricey for the sluggish built-in browser.

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I too am very happy with my TP2, but I want a 7" phone. Although the Tab is the most close, it is still not there: many web contents are still available to WM and iPad only, the CDMA versions cannot make calls and are too pricey for the sluggish built-in browser.
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I have both now
Just need to find a good way to sync SMS between both...
Sad point is in the US you cannot have 2 SIMs with the same number. Otherwise would be living ina perfect world

Just found out it may not be possible to change my outlook calendar entries inthe Samsung calendar
i can delete but not move it to another dats
Maybe I am not doing it right... But we are getting close to a deal breaker
Honestly Android is a cool toy but feels so far from a professional well rounded product and only comparing with WM 6.5...
more and more diaappointed day by day..

This is why android is so great though...you said you had no complaints about the hardware being used, and I hear that a lot.
There are so many developers working on android devices including the tab trying to improve the UI and enable hardware acceleration etc.
I think that within a few months the tab will have roms that will fix or work around the various issues that are present in the current tab software.

Agreed android has a great future ahead
but there is quote some work to do. We are not there yet!!

Alcibiade said:
Agreed android has a great future ahead
but there is quote some work to do. We are not there yet!!
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I think the point is that Android scores lots of points where WinMo scores none, and vice versa!
My business uses Google Apps for Domains, so Android is a massive win for me. If your an MS shop, WinMo stills holds a great hand though 3rd party apps on Android can fill many of the gaps.
Over time we will see an awful lot of convergence - WP7 will get better and so will Android.
To be honest, for the most part, thus far Google have pitched Android as a consumer rather than business OS, and have relied on 3rd parties to provide full business integration. I expect 2011 will bring more to the biz table.
Regards,
Dave

New user - help needed!!

Long time BlackBerry user , switched to nexus 6P yesterday. Not new to Android used years ago and my wife has been using Galaxy S6 edge for a while so familiar with Android..
Already missing the BlackBerry hub !!
Two main issues so far
Gmail app doesn't seem to get notification s for gmails. I get audible notifications for other emails, bit not gmail. Anyhow this is nowhere near how good the BlackBerry email was. I hope I don't end up spending hours looking for a good email client which is what I did years ago with Android. Can't believe after all these years Android still doesn't have a proper email client inbuilt!!
The phone itself seems too big !! I guess it's not much anyone can do at this point. Funnily enough I came from BlackBerry passport which itself was so wide but didn't feel this big. I might have to get used to it.
So far not too thrilled with the phone. Bit no major complaints either. Trying to justify myself for leaving my beloved BlackBerry!!
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vhl71 said:
Long time BlackBerry user , switched to nexus 6P yesterday. Not new to Android used years ago and my wife has been using Galaxy S6 edge for a while so familiar with Android..
Already missing the BlackBerry hub !!
Two main issues so far
Gmail app doesn't seem to get notification s for gmails. I get audible notifications for other emails, bit not gmail. Anyhow this is nowhere near how good the BlackBerry email was. I hope I don't end up spending hours looking for a good email client which is what I did years ago with Android. Can't believe after all these years Android still doesn't have a proper email client inbuilt!!
Unfortunately this is a current know issue. There are some threads here in the 6P forum where some have found solutions for their device but they don't seem to work for everyone.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=197805
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vhl71 said:
Long time BlackBerry user , switched to nexus 6P yesterday. Not new to Android used years ago and my wife has been using Galaxy S6 edge for a while so familiar with Android..
Already missing the BlackBerry hub !!
Two main issues so far
Gmail app doesn't seem to get notification s for gmails. I get audible notifications for other emails, bit not gmail. Anyhow this is nowhere near how good the BlackBerry email was. I hope I don't end up spending hours looking for a good email client which is what I did years ago with Android. Can't believe after all these years Android still doesn't have a proper email client inbuilt!!
The phone itself seems too big !! I guess it's not much anyone can do at this point. Funnily enough I came from BlackBerry passport which itself was so wide but didn't feel this big. I might have to get used to it.
So far not too thrilled with the phone. Bit no major complaints either. Trying to justify myself for leaving my beloved BlackBerry!!
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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Not being funny mate, try hand surgery

Try wiping the phone and setting it up again.. Bit of a hassle but might be worth your time!

I use inbox app for my gmail and works great. Try that and idk what to say about the device being large. I used to not be into big phones but I am now. I came from a Nexus 6 which is even bigger than the 6p. I love this device more than any I've ever owned in all my life. I've been on many flagships and every nexus ever made since android came out and they really gave us a great device this year with the 6p! You'll get used to it. Try inbox. Happy new years to everyone. Have a safe one.
Sent from San Antonio Tx- Nexus 6p

There must be some issues with some settings on your phone because Gmail app is the best email client for any mobile device including iphones or blackberry.
1. First go to settings - account - google - Turn on the Sync button fot Gmail.
2. Go to Gmail-Setting-Turn on Sync Gmail
3. Go to Gmail-Setting-Manage Labels-Turn on Sync for each Labels you want to get notified.
4. Uninstall/Sign out any other email cleint you might have used other than Gmail app.
This is definitely a bigger phone but is much more easy to handle with two hands and single hand for some basic stuffs.
If you really think this phone is slippery then you can try some phone covers thin ones. Or you can go with the outer cover themes.

samarrss said:
There must be some issues with some settings on your phone because Gmail app is the best email client for any mobile device including iphones or blackberry.
1. First go to settings - account - google - Turn on the Sync button fot Gmail.
2. Go to Gmail-Setting-Turn on Sync Gmail
3. Go to Gmail-Setting-Manage Labels-Turn on Sync for each Labels you want to get notified.
4. Uninstall/Sign out any other email cleint you might have used other than Gmail app.
This is definitely a bigger phone but is much more easy to handle with two hands and single hand for some basic stuffs.
If you really think this phone is slippery then you can try some phone covers thin ones. Or you can go with the outer cover themes.
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Yes I've checked all the settings mentioned above and they're all set to sync and notification on. Today I've been getting notifications for gmails. Not sure how long will this last. As others have mentioned this seems to be an issue with gmail app itself for some. Apparently Google development team is also aware of this. So hopefully we'll get a fix soon
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