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so these are the two new phones from Microsoft.
KIN ONE:
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What are your thoughts?
Has this remotely something to do with the WP7 core?
Can it be ported to other devices?
These phones are clearly intended for the "social generation"; success / fail?

well i actually like it. it just shows how awesome windows phone 7's full blown version will be. isnt it ironic that most of the KIN website is done is flash.... lol silverlight WHAT?!
also i like that we wont have to worry about LAG from now on lol...

Looks really good....nice as drinking a can of 7up !
Videos below !
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15292
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15296
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=15297

i quite like the kin2, but the kin1 looks like a tamagochi to me and a 5mpx camera with such small screen? dunno :S

Don´t like any of them
They should made something spectacular instead of this...
But MS will never loose....

nanoware said:
well i actually like it. it just shows how awesome windows phone 7's full blown version will be. isnt it ironic that most of the KIN website is done is flash.... lol silverlight WHAT?!
also i like that we wont have to worry about LAG from now on lol...
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lol, A wink to iPad/iPhone/iTouch maybe??
But yeah, strange indeed.
My impression regarding KIN
The buttons of the KIN2 could be somewhat bigger, maybe have some other look to it, They look like shiny, cheap plastic buttons out of toys..
But then again, these are mock ups, maybe they look and feel great IRL (doubtfull, but no way to tell at this moment).
The Kin1 looks like a girls-phone, there the design works, and the buttons actually look better.
The bottom piece is bigger than to top piece, I wonder how that will work out.
But the resolution of both screens are low:
KIN1 320x240 (QVGA!!)
KIN2 480x320 (HVGA)
And Kin2 is supposed to be for video watching?
Come on, please enter the year 2010, I am not asking 1080i on a mobile, but VGA/WVGA is totally feasable..
EqX

What the hell does kin mean? Why did my apartment cut off my cable? Why is my mom orderin cable from at&t? Why am i mad? Why am i writing in all caps? Why do i prefer kin 2!?

I think it's a good first attempt at cutting into the Android/Palm market. I know plenty of chicks that would be into this stuff.

rorytmeadows said:
I think it's a good first attempt at cutting into the Android/Palm market. I know plenty of chicks that would be into this stuff.
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I don't. 10+

So these are original, running wp7 core, purpose designed, well built, purpose packed, zune pass over the air, updates over the air... retailed with Verizon which the kids like...
I think MS got a winner, it will sell well, the UI is gorgeous.

If this gets the backing of XDA this could be amazing.
The lack of 3rd party apps is a slight worry though.

I wasnt expecting anything good with these phones after all they are made by "SHARP" and SHARP suck d**K in technology products. For those that own a product sorry...what ever you say it sucks and I am not interested in your comment.
Bare in mind that these 2 phones cover the section of crappy (low tech) handsets in the market.....like from Nokia, SonyErric, LG etc.
If you actually compare the CRAPPY handsets out there and chuck these 2 in with them these phones actually PWN them all !
SO well done introducing something new and PWN'ing the crappy handset market.....NEXT !!

vardig said:
I wasnt expecting anything good with these phones after all they are made by "SHARP" and SHARP suck d**K in technology products. For those that own a product sorry...what ever you say it sucks and I am not interested in your comment.
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You clearly haven't seen some of there Japanese phones, there actually quite good.

They look 'kin awful.

I think the KIN ONE looks cute we will have to wait to see what they really like?

This Kin stuff, aren't Microsoft like wasting resources on another seperate os?

This is kind of neat. You could argue it's not really a smartphone, but I like it. It's a brilliant piece of minimalism - it's all the essentials done well and nothing else. The big question for me would be the browser. If the browser's great then I can really live without most apps, if not I can imagine it feeling restrictive after a while.
To the gentleman above, I don't really think that MS is wasting resources here. They're probably reusing a lot of the same code, and just tweaking the UI for a different effect. But what an effect! I really don't think there's anything else like this one the market.

Neither appeal to me...you would have thought MS could have done way better than those relics!

Do we even know what screen size each device has? I will say I am kind of envious of the fact that the Kin 2 has what could be a nice 8mp camera with flash.

Honest to god those might just be the two most hideous phones I've ever seen.

Am I the only one who doesn't like "Droid"

Maybe I'm just picky, but I don't like the the way "Droid" is becoming the defacto name for all Android phones thanks to Verizon's add campaigns. It's like calling any old mp3 player an iPod, even though it's a Zune or a Sansa. I just feel the need to correct people when they ask what kind of phone I have, and I tell them it's a Nexus One, they say "Huh", then I explain it's and Android phone, and then they're like "Oh, you mean a Droid", and then I have to correct with "no, AAANNNdroid, not just Droid".

Dont mind.. really.. i also just nod when my aunt calls my Computer a hard drive and an mp3 player a walkman..

Don't have the problem in the UK, so Android it is.

funny thins is,as i was reading this,verizons "Droid" commercial was on the tv lmao

I really dont like the Droid name or add campaign. Some of the (Moto) Droid users are super annoying fanboys like the apple ones. Most of them barely know how to use a smartphone and the Droid might even be their first. And all the "Droid" apps just confuse people because its slightly misleading. Apps might work for the Droid only or all of Android. But the most annoying thing is when I hear "Droid does", its just annoying. I don't correct people calling my N1 a droid to just Android, I add call it the Google Phone.

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Dont mind.. really.. i also just nod when my aunt calls my Computer a hard drive and an mp3 player a walkman..
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I would do the same thing with my grandmother as well, correcting some people wouldn't do any good. I guess the one thing that really got me, was when my roommate called my phone a "Droid". He's a geek like me, not as tech savvy, but a huge gamer (PC, console, whatever), and we he called my phone a "Droid", it bothered me really bad and I had to correct him.
It's stupid though when you thing about it (yes, I'm admitting my own annoyance is stupid), cause there are many other thing I call by the excepted name and not their official name as well. Examples would be, Kleenex(facial tissue), Weedeater(weed trimmer), Cresent Wrench(open end adjustable wrench). All these things are actually a specific brand of something, but I came to call them all by that name long before I even knew that was not their technical name. I have to wonder if I would have had the same problem with all of them if I were alive back when those brands had came out and people started calling them by that name?

As a phone I do not like the droid due to the keyboard but as a marketing tool to get Android OS out there its been great!

Holy crap. Here in the states we've got government at every level committed to special interest groups and selling us down the river, and here we are getting upset with silly advertisements and resultant jargon.
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while i don't like the Droid label all android phones are getting, whatever helps spread the android kooliad i'm a fan of...VZW did it right with this massive ad campaign...we're finally getting a leg up on the iphone weenies

reminds me of the crappy moto

I find the moto (droid) commercials really awesome. It be kool if all android device would be called droid blank. Droid rachael lol

its kind of like when someone says, "hey can i borrow your PC for a second?" and i respond "no but you can borrow my macbook"

You guys are lucky that people around you know what android or droid is. Here where I live, when I tell people that I'm getting a Nexus One, they're like,"Man!! never heard of it. Get Nokia n97 or iPh*ne". I get so frustrated when I have to tell them the phone's specs... I wish google advertised its N1...

Every time you hear a "Droid" commercial, George Lucas gets paid.
Verizon has to pay a royalty to LucasFilms Ltd. to use the name "Droid". I just find that funny.
I'm hoping the next HTC superphone for Android will be the HTC R2D2 or something ridiculously blatant like that.

I hate it because it is very confusing... Verizon has the Droid, Droid Eris, Droid Incredible, and so forth... so you can't distinguish any of them.
Plus, it is just annoying that Verizon is essentially "taking ownership" of Android, in an odd way... I hate Verizon. Hate them. Have I mentioned my hate for Verizon?

Yeah, when I showed someone my n1 and told them its an android phone, they gasped because they couldn't believe that I switched to verzion. I had to correct them on the diff between droid and android, but in hindsight, it was a waste of time. Either way, the more advertisements out there can only help android's visibility, because Google seems incapable of advertising its products.

I felt like adding this. lol

Don't really mind as it benefits all Android users. look at how much more exposure OS has gotten, how many more apps we get. whatever helps, so long that they do not make Droid only apps, I am good. Android is not nearly as catchy as the Droid, and Verizon really wanted this thing to take off. guess what, it did! as much as I do not like them for their crappy rates and ridiculous fees, I do appreciate what they have done to Android.

Samsung Epic 4G Announced

http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2010/06/sprint-epic-4g-t-mobile-vibrant/
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=9843
This is the galaxy s pro.

This is...Epic....

Kcarpenter said:
This is...Epic....
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Did you realize the entire General section was at a halt until you said that? Also, QFT.

I bring all the boys to the yard

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I bring all the boys to the yard
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You and your milkshake?

The name Samsung scares me after the Moment. How are the rest of their phones?

This might be my next phone.

gunnyman said:
The name Samsung scares me after the Moment. How are the rest of their phones?
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Hardware, like most Samsung products, is usually pretty immaculate - can't complain about that. TouchWhiz UI is likely garbage as with most Samsung products software.
So with Root and a competent developer who could get AOSP working - Rockin.

Kcarpenter said:
Hardware, like most Samsung products, is usually pretty immaculate - can't complain about that. TouchWhiz UI is likely garbage as with most Samsung products software.
So with Root and a competent developer who could get AOSP working - Rockin.
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My problems with the moment were hardware related. I'm going to keep an eye on this phone though. I want a kicking 3G phone though since I don't live in a 4G area and hate the idea of paying extra for a feature I won't use.

Kcarpenter said:
Hardware, like most Samsung products, is usually pretty immaculate - can't complain about that. TouchWhiz UI is likely garbage as with most Samsung products software.
So with Root and a competent developer who could get AOSP working - Rockin.
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Also they seem to hate the default way of setting up Android OS. Their file system is pretty bizarre.

every sammy i have owned has sucked.. lol but for every sammy i hated prolly 3 more liked.. so mostly personal pref..
Im happy to see this come to sprint..for one reason..they need it. more android..look at verizon.. lol

This is like phone porn. I'm all horny for touchwiz 3. http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/29/samsung-epic-4g-preview/

Think this will be my next phone, i'm tired of waiting for HTC to put out a killer android phone that has a slide out keyboard. I have had bad experiences with samsung phones in the past (they were before smart phones even existed) but i'm willing to give them one more shot with this phone.

I've never had a Sammy phone. I had a couple Sony Ericsson's and then the HTC Wizard came out, been with HTC ever since. The hard qwerty is what drew me to HTC, I had no idea places like xda existed. It's been over a year since HTC has made a keyboard phone and the HTC Vision has one but I think it's only going to Tmous and I can't do that because they dont have a single 3G tower in Arkansas... I'm presently on AT$T because when I first got a cellular in 2003 Cingular was the best carrier in the state and I'm a creature of habit so I've stuck with them. But, they suck about picking up phones I like, the iPhone has hamstrung their network, and they're handing out free femtocells but when I called about that they basically told me to fu*k off. My two complaints about my TP2 are slowness and no headphone jack. Epic 4G/Galaxy S Pro ameliorates both of those to a t...
So, how do you people like Sprint? They'd save me money and I like the new phone every year... Also, what's the build quality like on sammies? Last question is are they as easy to take apart/repair as HTC phones are?

I have to say that every samsung phone I, or anyone I know has owned, holds up like a tank. They drop them, throw them and step on them and they are fine. I wouldn't be that rough, but its nice to see.

Really? I was a little worried about build quality since they seem to use a lot of plastic and little if any metal. I'd love for Epic's slider to be as firm as the Droid's but wasn't expecting much.

Well, their initial quality is what it is. But they stay in that condition with very good resilliance in my, and my friend's, experience.

I have a sammy dumbphone, the a727, and it has amazing build quality. Soft touch plastic, super thin and light, great battery life.
Samsung can make a good phone if they put their minds to it. The epic seems like the best galaxy phone, mostly because of that soft touch back. Getting the soft touch battery cover for my Pre made it feel five times better, much more solid and durable than the crappy glossy bendy plastic that is default on the pre(and the other galaxy variants).

Can you see how far we've gotten in the world of on the go? =)
Another thing. Isn't this video just beautiful? --> Epic
Note: yes I bumped this ancient ass thread

Shoulon said:
Can you see how far we've gotten in the world of on the go? =)
Another thing. Isn't this video just beautiful? --> Epic
Note: yes I bumped this ancient ass thread
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Htc Evo With iOS4

Is it possible to put iOS4 on the evo and have a dualboot one for Android and the other for iOS4

No iOS is not open source

Thanks anyways

now why would you want to kill a perfectly good phone?

really.. spend the money and get an iPhone if that's what u want to do
Sent from my evo using XDA App

I wonder if the Evo would still be able to make calls if you put iOS4 on it

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really.. spend the money and get an iPhone if that's what u want to do
Sent from my evo using XDA App
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The iphone is one cheap silicone case away from being very very good hardware. Just buy an iphone (and a cheap case) if you want ios.

why would anyone in their right mind want to poison their evo with apple's software???

No is just good to have different things on a phone

What is it about iOS4 that you can't get on the EVO/Android? My brother has the iPhone4, & there is nothing he has that i couldn't find in the Marketplace.
If you're looking for something specific, i'm sure you can find an Android version of it.

Don't kill the OP
Come on guys, it's a legit question (even if it might seem pretty blasphemous to us). As for the original question, if you want to dual boot, there's potential to put any Open Source OS on just about any hardware. If you want to have a closed source OS (like iOS, WinMo, WebOS, Blackberry OS [oh dear God WHY?!], Mac OSX Leopard, etc...) on your hardware, you'll pretty much have that pre-installed on the device. That's why you can put Android onto the HTC HD2, but you can't put WinMo 6.5 on the EVO 4G.
Bottom line, if you want iOS4 + Android, you'll have to buy an iPhone if you even want a chance. I don't think they have it working yet, but I know they've ported Froyo to the older hardware, so it might just be a matter of time.

Forum reeks of fanboyism. Simple question required a simple answer. The evo is far from a perfect phone... If that was the case.. I wouldn't have to root it and play tricks on my battery just to make it last longer than 5 hours. Android wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't how iOS changed the way we look at smart phones. And apps that aren't on the android? bejeweled 2, angry birds, words with friends, a half decent facebook app, espn score center is terrible on the droid as well... I could go on... Both phones have their flaws.but I can see why the interest in wanting a dual boot phone. more than likely not happening anytime soon if not at all.

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Forum reeks of fanboyism. Simple question required a simple answer. The evo is far from a perfect phone... If that was the case.. I wouldn't have to root it and play tricks on my battery just to make it last longer than 5 hours. Android wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't how iOS changed the way we look at smart phones. And apps that aren't on the android? bejeweled 2, angry birds, words with friends, a half decent facebook app, espn score center is terrible on the droid as well... I could go on... Both phones have their flaws.but I can see why the interest in wanting a dual boot phone. more than likely not happening anytime soon if not at all.
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Exactly there is no good apps in the market place iPhone appstore has better plus it was just a freaking question not so you guys could bash on me wtf what kind of community is this ?? Have respect

Buy an ipod touch
- sent from beneath the earth

verse187 said:
Exactly there is no good apps in the market place iPhone appstore has better plus it was just a freaking question not so you guys could bash on me wtf what kind of community is this ?? Have respect
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right, out of the 85k apps in the market place, absolutely none of them are good for anybody whatsoever, which explains why no one downloads anything from the market anymore, and also explains why android is definitely not catching up to iOS.

verse187 said:
Is it possible to put iOS4 on the evo and have a dualboot one for Android and the other for iOS4
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verse187 said:
Exactly there is no good apps in the market place iPhone appstore has better plus it was just a freaking question not so you guys could bash on me wtf what kind of community is this ?? Have respect
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You know, you don't have to be an Apple fanboy (or girl) to want to see if this can be done. It's like trying to solve a puzzle. I really wouldn't want an iphone, but hacking iOS4 onto an Android phone would be fun. And, there are some apps for the iphone that don't exist in the Android Market.
BTW, I have a Dell Mini 9 that runs Snow Leopard just fine. Am I in love with Apple? Not really, though I have an iMac, as well as Windoze boxes and Linux, too. I'm posting from Linux on my dual boot Aspire One, wirelessly tethered to my Evo. I think I'm gonna try the Ubuntu hack for my Evo next. It's all about choices.

k2snowboards88 said:
The iphone is one cheap silicone case away from being very very good hardware. Just buy an iphone (and a cheap case) if you want ios.
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I wonder if the Evo would still be able to make calls if you put iOS4 on it
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only if held in the left hand.

I wonder if the cameras would still work if you upgraded the Evo to anything other than 2.1, lol.

Things that Android 1.6 can't do

So I've been using my phone since early April, and I've found several things wrong with the Android 1.6 operating system. The biggest bug I've found with Android 1.6 is that women don't talk to me. I know if SE updated to 2.2, women would be beating each other up for a trip down my pants. Here's a list of other things 1.6 doesn't do or sucks at.
- Adobe Photo Light (It's not a Flash!) doesn't run on 1.6
- It doesn't butter my toast correctly
- When on a phone call, my ears aren't massaged by sound waves (Android 2.4+)
- It doesn't play the PSP UMDs I tried shoving in it
- Apple won't give me a free case for it
- The phone reboots when I ask Google Maps for directions to the End of the Rainbow
- Playing "The Final Countdown" doesn't result in a magic show by GOB.
- It doesn't drive my car
- The teleporting feature is only in Android 2.5 and higher
- It doesn't (deleted) when I (deleted) [Only in Android 6.9]
If you're as unsatified with your Xperia X10 as I am, your only refuge is to wait for the update to Android 2.1 OS, which many tech blogs believe is actually the Second Coming of Christ.

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The biggest bug I've found with Android 1.6 is that women don't talk to me.
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Not a problem with 1.6 mate, yours must just be faulty!

Jokes!!

Lol to both of you.
Just what I needed having read nothing but how truly awful this phone is (Idon't subscribe to that view... its fine by me, could be better but hey thats life)

I'm mostly upset at the advertised lightspeed jump capabilities.. Why did they only include ONE flux capacitor?
Oh where is my fusion energy battery capability from Android 69?
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It doesn't taste too good either. I heard with the update, we'd be getting eclairs or froyo...

Where did you buy your X10 from? Consider debranding, root and reboot. Maybe it will work.
LOL...

LMAO!
nice one

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It doesn't taste too good either. I heard with the update, we'd be getting eclairs or froyo...
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I want a gingerbread flavour!!
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reading this thread is like a big slap in the nuts lol
wait...the X10 is now diamonds!!!

But you CAN use it for masturbation! Oh happy day! .. so I've heard.
Anyhoooo ... the question of like vs. disliking the fact that it has 1.6 or not is irrelevant. Most new apps are only 2.1+ compliant rendering the phone pretty much useless (even for masturbation).
Not so happy day anymore.

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But you CAN use it for masturbation! Oh happy day! .. so I've heard.
Anyhoooo ... the question of like vs. disliking the fact that it has 1.6 or not is irrelevant. Most new apps are only 2.1+ compliant rendering the phone pretty much useless (even for masturbation).
Not so happy day anymore.
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I'd like to quote an fitting little piece written by the great poet William Bailey here:
"Said woman take it slow
It'll work itself out fine
All we need is just a little patience"
Food for thought.

This is a useless thread, there is many things that android 1.6 can't do, but not these ones.

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This is a useless thread, there is many things that android 1.6 can't do, but not these ones.
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Yeah, it's like no one knows that it's a rule on the Internet that everything has to be dead serious and free from jokes. Before you know it they're gonna start making fun of cats and post gossip about celebrities.

Having a sence of humor is so last year...

apparently the Dildroid app will only be supporting 2.1 or above... sigh, it's quite heartbreaking

the only reason i want to have 2.1 its for live wallpaper nothing else. with 1.6 i have now every thing works great..

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the only reason i want to have 2.1 its for live wallpaper nothing else. with 1.6 i have now every thing works great..
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Hear hear. I'm not insanely excited about 2.1 more than from a naturally curious perspective. Rooted 1.6 works fine for me since wifi tethering was my only major gripe. Froyo on the other hand, that I'm looking forward to. A performance increase in the range of 250-500% depending on the application is a major win.

with android 1.6 ET cant go home

Too bad, you can't be as cool as me, woman see my phone and immediately jumps back. They give off this "omg what a geek" looks whenever i pull my x104 from my backpack. *yes backpack".
Yes you heard it right, i have a X104 ...which is MORE advanced than your little x10! because it is number 104.
It runs on window 7!, touch screen with a 1024 pressure with a wacom digitizer.
It weights 5.2 LBs total. Built it resist to scratch screen and capable to use it under the most bizarre and harizous condition! It also run on LONGER than your little x10...it runs for 8 hours!!!!
What can i do with it when you can't on your x10 ? Here is some list.
- Read porns in bigger screen than x10
- bang on it every night and it won't break after 5 years of uses
- It emit enough heat to warm my body and soul!
- It direct Missles ... use in military purpose sometime.
- who need android when you have window 7!
- brigther screen under the sun!
- can be use as a lethal weapon
- emit so much radiation.
Want prove?
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Look it is label as x104 !
actually it is my xplore rugged tablet. Picture is taken with my x10...