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hi all ive just contacted HTC uk line and asked about the camera issues with the pink/red tint in the midldle of the pictures and it seems that HTC expect a fair amount of people to complain before they will look at it, the person i spoke to took a htc hd2 out and tested it and she stated she had the same issue but untill enough people ring and complain its a bust
so if u want the camera sorted then look here and call to complain
http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx
p.s. do u think the camera issue is software or hardware related
Is there a white balance manual adjustment anywhere? Haven't received my phone yet so can't check. I'm not talking about preset modes like "sunny", "couldy" and the likes, but somewhere where the colour temperature can be manually set? I'm a photographer btw
Edit: saw the other thread about it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584675&highlight=pictures with pictures! Could have something to do with metering modes cos this looks like it's getting the white balance wrong on some kind of spot or centre metering mode. Is there an "average" metering mode at all? Might be worth a try.
hi theirs no color temperature settings but their are three metering modes
-touch focus (spot)
-center area
-average
some tests of white/cream door:- autowhitebalance setting, super fine, everything else default, no flash
-------------spot----------------center area----------------average-------
some tests of stuff mag:- auto whitebalance setting, super fine, everything else default, no flash
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some tests of stuff mag:- indoor whitebalance setting, super fine, everything else default, no flash
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some tests of stuff mag closeup:-indoor whitebalance setting, super fine, everything else default, no flash
-------------spot----------------center area----------------average-------
if u have the time to change the settings depending on the lighting environment ur in, i.e. using the auto lighting setting gives red tints but with the indoor lighting settings its seems alot better dont u think, BUT its still visable
ouch, that white spot with the magenta halo thing is really bad. I'm kinda stumped on that one, especially as I can't have a play with it (and have no idea when I'll get mine!) I don't suppose you have an 18% neutral gray card lurking around you could take pictures of lol at least that'd give me a reference point. Sunny or cloudy settings might improve the overall appearance in daylight conditions rather than using the auto wb but it's never going to get rid of that much imbalance, even the left and right sides are different tones. While I'd never expect a picture from phone camera to be great, I'd certainly expect something better than that!
Isadora said:
ouch, that white spot with the magenta halo thing is really bad. I'm kinda stumped on that one, especially as I can't have a play with it (and have no idea when I'll get mine!) I don't suppose you have an 18% neutral gray card lurking around you could take pictures of lol at least that'd give me a reference point. Sunny or cloudy settings might improve the overall appearance in daylight conditions rather than using the auto wb but it's never going to get rid of that much imbalance, even the left and right sides are different tones. While I'd never expect a picture from phone camera to be great, I'd certainly expect something better than that!
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emm what is this "18% neutral gray card"
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emm what is this "18% neutral gray card"
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It is exactly what it says lol - a bit of card that's "officially" neutral grey - that's what we use to meter off to get the correct white balance in any lighting conditions.
A friend of mine should receive his phone before the end of the week, if he does I'll see if I can do some testing on the camera in daylight with a grey card and will let you know, of course
have you try to adjust white blance? Do not use auto model and choose something else. That may reduce the tint in the central area.
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if u have the time to change the settings depending on the lighting environment ur in, i.e. using the auto lighting setting gives red tints but with the indoor lighting settings its seems alot better dont u think, BUT its still visable
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yep the indoor setting for indoor shots is much better so at least it's doing *something* nearly right lol - auto settings are rarely good anyway but they should manage better than that.
I personally think this can be fixed with a ROM because if you read the 4winmobile.com review and look at the pictures they took in the main review with a pre release ROM the pink spot is very noticable
Then scroll down to the updated pics taken with a Retail O2 ROM and the spot doesnt seem to be there.
I dont have a HD2 yet, but when I do and if its has the pink spot I will be ringing up, as I suggest anyone else who has it does too
have you try to adjust white blance? Do not use auto model and choose something else. That may reduce the tint in the central area.
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when i say indoor light setting or auto light setting i ment to say " indoor whitebalance setting or auto whitebalance setting"
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I've got the English retail HD2 and there is NO tint.
All the pictures I've taken with my HD2 are great so far.
i have the english retail version too, please post ur device info, i.e. rom version and other info on the spec settings page
ROM version
1.43.405.1 (70124) WWE
ROM date
10/26/09
Radio version
2.04.50.22_2
Now I looked again and there is a bit of a tint but almost not noticeable, if you don't know about it. Might be an issue with all HDs but frankly, I don't care too much, because it takes great pictures nonetheless.
The folks from GSMARENA.COM have posted their full review of the HD2. it seems that they've encountered the same phenomenon as described here - pinkish color cast towards the center of the frame, especially noticeable when viewing the thumbnails.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_htd2-review-418p9.php
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same on my device matey
maati said:
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Now I looked again and there is a bit of a tint but almost not noticeable, if you don't know about it. Might be an issue with all HDs but frankly, I don't care too much, because it takes great pictures nonetheless.
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Exactly the same here - ROM and results. Several test photos both of plain surfaces (wall/paper/sky) and general photos and there might be the *slightest* tint to one or two if you look at them funny. Certainly there's nothing even remotely like the disaster pics posted here and elsewhere, thankfully.
If it is a ROM issue, it seems this is a solid working ROM.
Hi all,
I reported this issue to HTC and sent them some sample photos. I received the following reply within several minutes:
Dear Mr Bale,
We are aware of this issue at HTC and are currently looking into it.
Apologies for any inconvienience caused.
Best Regards,
HTC Technical Support.
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Colour tint issue
The halo of different colours would suggest chromatic abberation, which is hardware(lens) based so no fix possible.
Chromatic abberation normally shows up as fringing around contrasty edges (so could be anywhere in the picture depending on what you're shooting) not a massive magenta blob consistently in the middle of every single picture!
It's not C.A. you can notice this phenomenon with normal DSLR Cameras, which have exposed the sensor for long periods, and some parts of it being heated.
example - http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2560/3670598368_1cc6f5f72e.jpg
Checkout the upper left corner.
whether the sensor is defective, or its mounting process causes this - I expect HTC to handle this problem by replacing the affected units.
Hello!
Some of you maybe have noticed that when the Galaxy S faces the sun, in auto-brightness mode, the color are suddenly boosted by a crazy amount in an attempt to preserve color saturation perception despite the incoming light.
Do you think this is a useful feature helping readability or does it do more harm than good ?
I can disable or tweak it very easily in Voodoo color. I have mixed feelings about this, that's why it's still on, but some people asked me to disable it.
I need your opinion and experience
Please don't vote if you don't understand what it is about and never experienced it.
Thanks !
Note: this color boost is associated only to the automatic 100% brightness level.
that is actually just brightness at 65% or higher
by default on regular operation when the brightness is set to auto it is always below 50% that's why people complain about colour being pale and such
if you set the brightness to 65% or more you can appreciate the full bloom effect of the SAMOLED screen vs AMOLED
i use a simple brightness widget to set it how i want, but it's mostly on auto, except when i want to WOW! people
@AllGamer we don't talk about the same thing.
It's not the standard brightness level, that's something that append only in the situation I described
If you are lucky enough to have a sunny day you can try it by yourself.
I didn't manage to reproduce it using artificial lights, seems that any light i have is not as bright as the sun ^^
i do use the phone outdoor almost on a daily basis, specially during lunch time when we walk to the restaurants meanwhile checking for emails, forums, weather, prices, another restaurant nearby, etc, etc.
so i've seen the screen colour/brightness changes in many different occassions.
unless there is another method to control the colour without controlling the brightness and vice versa, then i'm pretty sure i'm getting the same effects when i manually slide the brightness bar all the way to 100%, 85%, 75%, and 65%
anything less than 60% wont show the blooming colour effect
sorry @AllGamer, you don't get yet ^^
I don't know if you read the original post?
I can show you the source code in kernel if this is necessary.
This special color boost (really extreme color boost) appends:
In auto brightness mode
When it's bright enough to make the auto-brightness mode reach the 100% level (named gamma 24)
When already at auto 100% and screen facing the sun.
Well, that's not so bad, it's just a poll
Here is the link to the source
http://github.com/project-voodoo/sa...nux-2.6.29/drivers/sensor/optical/gp2a.c#L329
Code:
if(autobrightness_mode)
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if(current_gamma_value == 24)&&(level_state == LIGHT_LEVEL4)
So far I've only experienced that once in my 3 month old SGS. I usually use it indoors.
I think you can replicate that by ticking Outdoor Visibility in the camera app.
Seen it alot of times, It does seem to help quite well, So i say keep it
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I think you can replicate that by ticking Outdoor Visibility in the camera app.
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yeah, that is what i call the colour blooming effect, just like in the PC blooming effect on the video cards
DaRkMyk said:
So far I've only experienced that once in my 3 month old SGS. I usually use it indoors.
I think you can replicate that by ticking Outdoor Visibility in the camera app.
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Absolutely! the Outdoor mode in Camera and Video apps are similar (but are triggered manually)
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yeah, that is what i call the colour blooming effect, just like in the PC blooming effect on the video cards
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woops... just tried the Outdoor Visibility and it is not the same as what I experienced before. You really must be outside & under the bright sun. I'll try it again tomorrow.
it just does it to the entire screen but stronger, there is an widget to control screen modes and it can be toggled manually when set to 100%
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@AllGamer we don't talk about the same thing.
It's not the standard brightness level, that's something that append only in the situation I described
If you are lucky enough to have a sunny day you can try it by yourself.
I didn't manage to reproduce it using artificial lights, seems that any light i have is not as bright as the sun ^^
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I pointed at the sensor with a 12LED flashlight (Need to be quite close for the blooming effect to activate, ~5-10cm), and it bloomed away after 3-5 seconds.
I've never been bothered by it and never really noticed it in bright light, so I would think it's a positive feature that helps readability in strong sunlight.
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it just does it to the entire screen but stronger, there is an widget to control screen modes and it can be toggled manually when set to 100%
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You cannot reach this mode with manual controls.
It depends on data measured by the light sensor, it's in kernel.
well i guess i'll have to install your Modifications, to see if there's really a difference
but from my point of view, when the level at set to 100% looks the same as when the phone is working outdoor under bright sunlight 12 noon lunch time.
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well i guess i'll have to install your Modifications, to see if there's really a difference
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It's in every standard kernel!
Ok, I give up ^^
I say keep it. It seems like it would be functional. Looking forward to the warmer colors at more brightness levels, as my phone very rarely runs at 100% brightness.
What I don't like (maybe others agree?) is the sudden drop in brightness at low ambient light levels (not complete darkness).
Thanks for your work on the color issue. This is really what I look forward most to in future voodoo releases!
well it'll definitely be nice to be able to access the bloom effect under low brightness level
i like more colours
i was under the impression supercurio was coding something to do that
Anything that makes the screen better in the sun is a good thing.
Even with the SAMOLED, things can sometimes be harder to see outside, especially while web browsing.
It doesn't matter if the colors are off in the pictures when you can't even read the web page.
Is it possible to make these sort of things configurable by an app on the phone?
Or must these sort of settings be hard-coded into the kernel?
Hi everyone! Just wanted to share what I found out recently.
"Low light" shooting mode rocks!
It just makes so much difference when shooting in bad lighting situations. I hate shooting with the flash, but I also hate the noise that goes with shooting without flash.
Enter "low light" shooting mode.
I'm not the one to exaggerate, but the noise that was usually present in shots just disappeared when shooting in this mode (vs. shooting in normal mode). My only wish is that if there was a way for the camera to recognize a scene wherein "low light" shooting mode would be suitable and actually switch to that mode automatically. Perhaps this is a feature I miss because my previous Android phone was the Xperia arc, which had terrific automatic scene recognition.
I was wondering if someone has done a closer study of what "low light" shooting mode actually does differently from normal mode. For one, it takes a bit of loading time before the shot is captured, but the shutter speed doesn't really dramatically decrease. Also, I noticed that photos shot using the "low light" shooting mode have an "_LLS" appended in the file name. So what else is different?
I'll post comparison shots when I can.
Thoughts? Comments? Post away.
AFAIK the low light mode does some noise reduction post processing directly after the shot is taken, that's why it takes a bit longer for the picture to get saved to your library. Since the picture is taken then the noise filter is applied, the picture loses some finer details and quality.
I personally love the camera under decent light conditions, not a fan of the noise it produces in low light.
I believe low light mode takes two photos and then removes the noise between them.
Hold your phone still when using that mode and you'll get some great shots.
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I'm a fan of low light mode on this phone. Usually the shutter speed has been too slow on previous phones, but is fast enough for casual use on the n2.
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I think it obvious that the low light mode is based around simply longer shutter time and some post processing, hence the message about holding the phone still while taking a pic.
The amount of light we get in the picture with this mode is simply not possible with software processing alone.
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Definitely low light rocks on our Note Beast
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Here is a shot I took with low light setting in my room under dim lighting condition.
Low shutter speed, high iso, and clean up with noise reduction. Im impressed they put a setting that does these things for ya.
Very cool.
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I just tested this a while ago and i must say low light shooting mode rocks!
On top is single shot mode and bottom is low light mode.
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Photo taken close to midnight using the low light camera feature :good:
This is actually one of my frustrations with this phone.
I thought that the low light mode is similar to the night mode I had in CM9 back in my old phone.
Under dim lighting conditions, photo taken via normal and low light mode are the same.
After reading some posts here, I just tried taking two pictures but on a good lighting condition.
I noticed that indeed, the quality of the photo taken in low light mode is better.
rom3l said:
I just tested this a while ago and i must say low light shooting mode rocks!
On top is single shot mode and bottom is low light mode.
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Is that Slash?
Sorry for Off Topic.
BTW can anyone tell me what the ISO setting is during Low light mode?
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This is actually one of my frustrations with this phone.
I thought that the low light mode is similar to the night mode I had in CM9 back in my old phone.
Under dim lighting conditions, photo taken via normal and low light mode are the same.
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I actually like the low light mode better than "night mode" which i rarely used (in my other camera phones). Night mode would result in blurry pics all the time and it used to be slow. In addition, the low light mode results in pics with better noise reduction than conventional night mode imo .
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I actually like the low light mode better than "night mode" which i rarely used (in my other camera phones). Night mode would result in blurry pics all the time and it used to be slow. In addition, the low light mode results in pics with better noise reduction than conventional night mode imo .
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What do you mean by "noise reduction"? I've read that a lot in this thread but I do not understand what it means.
Sorry, I'm not too deep when it comes to photography.
In night mode, it may make the picture a bit blurry but the lighting of the photo will be good.
It's like taken with a controlled flash.
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What do you mean by "noise reduction"? I've read that a lot in this thread but I do not understand what it means.
Sorry, I'm not too deep when it comes to photography.
In night mode, it may make the picture a bit blurry but the lighting of the photo will be good.
It's like taken with a controlled flash.
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When you zoom in a photo on a screen to 100%, then you start to notice unwanted "tiny dots" or "grain" which (kind of) distort the whole picture. This is called the photographic/ image noise. Better the image sensor, lesser is the noise. Noise reduction is/maybe a part of image "post processing", which obviously reduces the noise output (usually at the cost of some image detail).
The night mode (in general) uses higher "ISO settings" for brighter images in dark. Higher ISO levels increase the sensitivity of sensor to light, but also increases the image noise. Hence, brighter but noisy images. Whereas, low light mode provides bright enough images with least noise (wrt note 2 camera), perhaps either by prolonging the exposure/ better noise reduction. Hope it clears up your doubts. For more info, google your query, i'm sure there is a lot of info there .
Wow didn't really have faith in this feature, thought it was same thing as setting high iso. I usually prefer high iso, +1-2 stop brightness, +flash. I'll surely try this feature after this post.
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When you zoom in a photo on a screen to 100%, then you start to notice unwanted "tiny dots" or "grain" which (kind of) distort the whole picture. This is called the photographic/ image noise. Better the image sensor, lesser is the noise. Noise reduction is/maybe a part of image "post processing", which obviously reduces the noise output (usually at the cost of some image detail).
The night mode (in general) uses higher "ISO settings" for brighter images in dark. Higher ISO levels increase the sensitivity of sensor to light, but also increases the image noise. Hence, brighter but noisy images. Whereas, low light mode provides bright enough images with least noise (wrt note 2 camera), perhaps either by prolonging the exposure/ better noise reduction. Hope it clears up your doubts. For more info, google your query, i'm sure there is a lot of info there .
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Thank you for the explanation. I seem to get it now.
But still, when I take pictures in 'Low light' mode in a dim light setting, it doesn't make the photo "bright enough" as you have said.
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Thank you for the explanation. I seem to get it now.
But still, when I take pictures in 'Low light' mode in a dim light setting, it doesn't make the photo "bright enough" as you have said.
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Well of course there are limitations as to how dark a setting the camera will still pick up light, but in general the low light mode should produce better pictures where the standard mode is too dark.
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Well of course there are limitations as to how dark a setting the camera will still pick up light, but in general the low light mode should produce better pictures where the standard mode is too dark.
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Can't see much of it.
Anyway, happy new year to all!
Hello everyone!
As promised, here are the comparison shots for normal "single shot" mode and "low light" mode. I have uploaded these original picture files as attachments. I think it will be easy to distinguish which one is the normal shot and which one is shot using low light. (These are Dropbox Camera Upload sync files, so the "LLS" moniker disappears. Sorry for that.)
Cheers!
I've come across a lot of people complaining about the camera not giving out noise-free images like it's supposed to. The trick is to use manual mode. I agree, if you use Superior Auto mode, it's a miss most of the times, and when it does work, it gives a purple-ish tint at the corners.
However, If you use manual mode and select the SCENE to NIGHT, the images come out amazing and noise-free!
[DO NOT JUDGE THE IMAGE BY WHAT THE VIEWFINDER SHOWS YOU. A lot of things happen when you press the shutter button. The viewfinder simply goes red for making it easy to focus. The final image in the gallery is a hundred times better]
The Scene modes are one of the most commonly ignored settings.
I hope this helps!
Thanks for this but i just tried it and even though it pretty light where i am taking the picture, the picture turns us a little blurry.
Possibly because night mode uses a longer shutter time which makes it more sensitive to motion blur?
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I've come across a lot of people complaining about the camera not giving out noise-free images like it's supposed to. The trick is to use manual mode. I agree, if you use Superior Auto mode, it's a miss most of the times, and when it does work, it gives a purple-ish tint at the corners.
However, If you use manual mode and select the SCENE to NIGHT, the images come out amazing and noise-free!
[DO NOT JUDGE THE IMAGE BY WHAT THE VIEWFINDER SHOWS YOU. A lot of things happen when you press the shutter button. The viewfinder simply goes red for making it easy to focus. The final image in the gallery is a hundred times better]
The Scene modes are one of the most commonly ignored settings.
I hope this helps!
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USe night SCENE even if we are with light ? i mean DAY light
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USe night SCENE even if we are with light ? i mean DAY light
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How do you select a SCENE mode? I don't have any such option.
Never mind, I had it at 20MP.
Havent got around to really check out every setting in manual mode, bu I will for certain try this on oute tomorrow.
don't know why but right now scene mode shows up only on 8 megapixel and lower shots , so change your camera settings to access it.
I Use Manual mode, 20 Mp, ISO 50!!! Very important for controlling noise - still at pixel level picture is a mess but that is true for Every camera with such pixel density! And overall picture quality as seen on my sample is OK!
Isn't ISO50 only workable with very good lighting? I mean, indoors it's very tricky already...
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Isn't ISO50 only workable with very good lighting? I mean, indoors it's very tricky already...
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Photography is painting with Light, when light is not available there no much "painting" - Agree indoors when it's dark You should up ISO otherwise camera will go to very long exposures and You'll get blurry pictures.
What i was giving was setting for lower possible noise in pictures, settings will vary according to current lighting condition
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Photography is painting with Light, when light is not available there no much "painting" - Agree indoors when it's dark You should up ISO otherwise camera will go to very long exposures and You'll get blurry pictures.
What i was giving was setting for lower possible noise in pictures, settings will vary according to current lighting condition
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Sure, but it's logical that a lower ISO will generate less noise, unfortunately then shutter times increase quickly resulting in moved shots. But it does seem an issue with auto mode that it increases the ISO values very quickly...
Ah well, hoping future firmware updates will improve things (if only had sony included OIS in this thing).
when i select Iso50 the whole of the viewfinder becomes VERY laggy. doesnt anyone else find this? (happens with both mine and my old z1 which was replaced)
very disappointed with the camera on this phone given that the camera is supposed to be the main selling point of the phone.
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when i select Iso50 the whole of the viewfinder becomes VERY laggy. doesnt anyone else find this? (happens with both mine and my old z1 which was replaced)
very disappointed with the camera on this phone given that the camera is supposed to be the main selling point of the phone.
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I have No such problem.
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when i select Iso50 the whole of the viewfinder becomes VERY laggy. doesnt anyone else find this? (happens with both mine and my old z1 which was replaced)
very disappointed with the camera on this phone given that the camera is supposed to be the main selling point of the phone.
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Same lagginess here, but only when the lighting is low/lower... Not as much as an issue for me.
Camera doesn't live up to it's expectations unfortunately, especially in lower light. (No, I don't expect awesome pics in lower light but coming from a Lumia920, which performed a whole lot better, yay for OIS, in that area it is kinda disappointing)
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Same lagginess here, but only when the lighting is low/lower... Not as much as an issue for me.
Camera doesn't live up to it's expectations unfortunately, especially in lower light. (No, I don't expect awesome pics in lower light but coming from a Lumia920, which performed a whole lot better, yay for OIS, in that area it is kinda disappointing)
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not tested it in "good light" to be honest since the whole point in changing the ISO is to compensate for the low light conditions you are trying to take the photo in.
its a little confusing since "Auto" iso setting is the only one which is not laggy. you can select iso50 or the top iso level (Can't remember what number it is) and its all just as laggy. you would have thought that Auto would imply that you would be using an automatically determined iso level, which would be more intensive on the phone than selecting an iso level manually (especially iso 50 which should be really less processing than"auto" would be.
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ilovemyZ1 said:
After doing some more research I found the answer to our low-light camera problems! This trick works with all Sony phones and is easy to do.
What we need is this and this and image quality improves SIGNIFICANTLY!
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well, i have one of those and i can tell you that low light pictures on that are just as bad. a) it doesnt use the nice sony camera app. it uses the frankly rubbish Sony memories camera app which has next to nothing in terms of manual setting and b) you can't use a flash.
so no. it isnt the answer. at all.
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haha maybe you should have got the QX100 instead
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maybe, but it was a freebie with my phone. i've used it a handful of times and its frankly crap.
might stick it on ebay later actually. i doubt the qx100 would be much better tbh as it'd still be using the same app. it'll still take about 30 seconds to connect the device to the phone and it'll still have the same crap wifi distance (about an arms length) before the phones viewfinder lags out badly.
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maybe, but it was a freebie with my phone. i've used it a handful of times and its frankly crap.
might stick it on ebay later actually. i doubt the qx100 would be much better tbh as it'd still be using the same app. it'll still take about 30 seconds to connect the device to the phone and it'll still have the same crap wifi distance (about an arms length) before the phones viewfinder lags out badly.
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The QX10 is pretty good in low light, the QX100 will be better with the large sensor and 1.8 aperture at the wide end.
Nothing can help the lack of flash for certain situations, but a lot of it comes from learning the camera.
Wifi isn't amazing, but it works further than that for me, and through walls. I'm trying to think of new ways to use that style of camera and have been experimenting.
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So here comes a long post, sorry upfront
Being a professional (fashion) photographer, and personally a true lover of good photos and all that entails photo quality, the main thing I look for in a smartphone is the best possible camera. So after some reviews I decided to get the new Samsung S10+.
And I am not happy at all.
Problems:
1. There are only «natural» and «vivid» modes for the screen «calibration». Natural shows really flat tones and saturation, and vivid (with all the other adjustments) can't get anywhere close to render tones appropriately. It washes out all the highlights to blend them with those a bit darker - no depth; some colors pop out intensely (strong reds for example) while others don't match.
Along with that neither of the two modes helps to get the dark tones shown as dark as they really are, the shadows are always too bright, which adds to the washed out look of photos/low contrast.
This alone made me want to return it, until I figured out a way to make it better - by leaving it on Vivid, and turning on blue light filter on 0 - 15% opacity. Not sure why from the blue light filter, but the colors and white balance are all much more true this way than on either natural on vivid, and the contrast is better a bit, so I suggest you try it out
2. Software in the camera has an inexcusable bug (at least I hope it's a bug and it will be fixed with an update soon):
HDR is not selected, I take a photo, immediately go open it, get a spinning circle on the lower part of the screen for maybe a second, and the photo shifts in front of my eyes to an HDR kind of photo.. washes out all the highlights, pumps and fades the shadows, leaving really noticeable blotchy artifacts where there were shadows (being a professional photographer I spot that immediately, so maybe some of you haven't payed attention, but I promise you there are blotchy artifacts in brightened shadows on any S10+ camera). Obviously it does that via software in the second after the photo was taken, so you can notice it only if you open the photo from the camera app immediately after it was taken. If you continue shooting the same scene (same light), for the next immediate shot you won't see it changing, so it obviously remembers some «settings» it applies. Just mentioning this if you go try out, you can see that shift best while changing the scenes you take photos of (brighter, darker, etc).
SO - S10+ takes HDR photos, or makes HDR processing to photos, when HDR is not turned on!
And it does a lousy job at it, because the photos in general look really washed out - the are no whites, no blacks, no contrast or depth. They obviously look better on my calibrated desktop screen, because as I mentioned before, the screen on S10+ lacks in contrast of the shadows as well as in the photos, so putting those together - all the photos on S10+ screen look dull and without contrast. Other issue is that most of the times when I tried photographing the same scene with HDR on and HDR off, photos looked the same, and in some cases with HDR on it would do just a stronger HDR. Please, please, does anyone have any idea how to stop it from processing photos taken without HDR to make them look like I actually wanted that dullness?
P.s. today I did a test with Note9 and S9+, neither have that problem.
3. This is not just Samsung's problem, at least I know Huawei Mate 20Pro has the same problem - photo effects inside the camera and extra ones that you can get are so outdated that they are unusable. In today's world driven by instagram and all the apps for color «filters» (VSCO, Snapseed, etc), these on Samsung are prehistoric. I tried to find a way to make my own and load them somehow, but can't find a way. Any ideas?
4. Same scene photographed with S10+ is 3mb, and with my older Samsung S7 it's 4mb. How can that be? Why isn't there no more a setting in the camera app to choose resolution?
Looking forward to your thoughts! I love everything else about this phone, but can't stand those HDR photos from the get go, would hate to go return it just because of it..
Go to Camera, settings, save options, check if you have "HEIF pictures" enabled.
This is the same format iPhones use now if i'm not mistaken. This format saves the pictures in half size as compared to JPEG.
Unselect it and test new pictures if it improves to your picture taste.
Another option is to use GCAM (Google Camera) app. This app is directly from Google for the Pixel phones converted to use in our Galaxy S10 phones. You can get them here in XDA
HEIF pictures are not enabled.
I tried to find GCAM mod for Exynos S10+, but can't find one.. since you mentioned it, do you maybe know of one somewhere? Not sure if I'm missing something, new to XDA..
Thanks!
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So here comes a long post, sorry upfront
Being a professional (fashion) photographer, and personally a true lover of good photos and all that entails photo quality, the main thing I look for in a smartphone is the best possible camera. So after some reviews I decided to get the new Samsung S10+.
And I am not happy at all.
Problems:
1. There are only «natural» and «vivid» modes for the screen «calibration». Natural shows really flat tones and saturation, and vivid (with all the other adjustments) can't get anywhere close to render tones appropriately. It washes out all the highlights to blend them with those a bit darker - no depth; some colors pop out intensely (strong reds for example) while others don't match.
Along with that neither of the two modes helps to get the dark tones shown as dark as they really are, the shadows are always too bright, which adds to the washed out look of photos/low contrast.
This alone made me want to return it, until I figured out a way to make it better - by leaving it on Vivid, and turning on blue light filter on 0 - 15% opacity. Not sure why from the blue light filter, but the colors and white balance are all much more true this way than on either natural on vivid, and the contrast is better a bit, so I suggest you try it out
2. Software in the camera has an inexcusable bug (at least I hope it's a bug and it will be fixed with an update soon):
HDR is not selected, I take a photo, immediately go open it, get a spinning circle on the lower part of the screen for maybe a second, and the photo shifts in front of my eyes to an HDR kind of photo.. washes out all the highlights, pumps and fades the shadows, leaving really noticeable blotchy artifacts where there were shadows (being a professional photographer I spot that immediately, so maybe some of you haven't payed attention, but I promise you there are blotchy artifacts in brightened shadows on any S10+ camera). Obviously it does that via software in the second after the photo was taken, so you can notice it only if you open the photo from the camera app immediately after it was taken. If you continue shooting the same scene (same light), for the next immediate shot you won't see it changing, so it obviously remembers some «settings» it applies. Just mentioning this if you go try out, you can see that shift best while changing the scenes you take photos of (brighter, darker, etc).
SO - S10+ takes HDR photos, or makes HDR processing to photos, when HDR is not turned on!
And it does a lousy job at it, because the photos in general look really washed out - the are no whites, no blacks, no contrast or depth. They obviously look better on my calibrated desktop screen, because as I mentioned before, the screen on S10+ lacks in contrast of the shadows as well as in the photos, so putting those together - all the photos on S10+ screen look dull and without contrast. Other issue is that most of the times when I tried photographing the same scene with HDR on and HDR off, photos looked the same, and in some cases with HDR on it would do just a stronger HDR. Please, please, does anyone have any idea how to stop it from processing photos taken without HDR to make them look like I actually wanted that dullness?
P.s. today I did a test with Note9 and S9+, neither have that problem.
3. This is not just Samsung's problem, at least I know Huawei Mate 20Pro has the same problem - photo effects inside the camera and extra ones that you can get are so outdated that they are unusable. In today's world driven by instagram and all the apps for color «filters» (VSCO, Snapseed, etc), these on Samsung are prehistoric. I tried to find a way to make my own and load them somehow, but can't find a way. Any ideas?
4. Same scene photographed with S10+ is 3mb, and with my older Samsung S7 it's 4mb. How can that be? Why isn't there no more a setting in the camera app to choose resolution?
Looking forward to your thoughts! I love everything else about this phone, but can't stand those HDR photos from the get go, would hate to go return it just because of it..
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best camera phone?
Pixel3
Mate20Pro
Yes, I have a S10.
Its the second one, the first was so bad with the screen and with the camera.
Se Second one is good in camera and very good in the screen.
But it not compares with my Mate20Pro in the camera.
Well, Pixel3 and Mate20Pro were definitely top choices along with S10+, shades decided.. I have a week left to return it and go for either of these two if I don't find a way to resolve this, or decide to play lottery by waiting on a software upgrade which would fix it. And that doesn't seem like a good idea..
What was wrong with the screen and camera of your first S10? Mine feels very wrong, my first instinct was to go exchange it, but then I tried out others in different stores and got the same thing with them concerning screen and camera :/ stunned it could be this awful.
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Well, Pixel3 and Mate20Pro were definitely top choices along with S10+, shades decided.. I have a week left to return it and go for either of these two if I don't find a way to resolve this, or decide to play lottery by waiting on a software upgrade which would fix it. And that doesn't seem like a good idea..
What was wrong with the screen and camera of your first S10? Mine feels very wrong, my first instinct was to go exchange it, but then I tried out others in different stores and got the same thing with them concerning screen and camera :/ stunned it could be this awful.
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my first S10 was updated and the camera was very bad.
The screen was dull, with low brightness comparing with my Mate20Pro.
This one didn't update an the camera is soo much good but the detail that my Mate20Pro captures its insane.
And the screen its top notch!
I think I will not update the software... for now..
For me, its a display problem. I looked at this photo comparing the XS and the S10 https:// photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/30033-48976-iPhone-XS-Max-and-Samsung-Galaxy-S10-Plus-Human-Portrait-mode-l.jpg and compared it side to side from my s10 to my macbook and on the S10 its pale, like the guy is dead. What's the problem with the display?? I shouldnt have to activate color adjustment, no ?
Color Washed
Just a heads up to everyone who has the S10. The color saturation of the screen even when Vivid is enabled doesn't display the saturation correctly... To fix this "enable blue light filter" and set it at the lowest possible then go back and look at a picture you will see how it is no longer washed out. I assume they are going to fix this in a future update. Cheers ?
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For me, its a display problem. I looked at this photo comparing the XS and the S10 https:// photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/30033-48976-iPhone-XS-Max-and-Samsung-Galaxy-S10-Plus-Human-Portrait-mode-l.jpg and compared it side to side from my s10 to my macbook and on the S10 its pale, like the guy is dead. What's the problem with the display?? I shouldnt have to activate color adjustment, no ?
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Turn on Blue Light Filter and set the effect to minimum. This will correct the "dull" look and restore the full color saturation
jbalic said:
Well, Pixel3 and Mate20Pro were definitely top choices along with S10+, shades decided.. I have a week left to return it and go for either of these two if I don't find a way to resolve this, or decide to play lottery by waiting on a software upgrade which would fix it. And that doesn't seem like a good idea..
What was wrong with the screen and camera of your first S10? Mine feels very wrong, my first instinct was to go exchange it, but then I tried out others in different stores and got the same thing with them concerning screen and camera :/ stunned it could be this awful.
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Turn on Blue light filter and set the effect to minimum, then go and check the color saturation ? I'm sure they will be fixing this in a future update.
dmdelgado said:
Turn on Blue light filter and set the effect to minimum, then go and check the color saturation I'm sure they will be fixing this in a future update.
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I wrote in my original post that the best you can get out of this screen is by turning on blue light at minimum; managed to find that, helps at least 80%. But the camera HDR shadowless dimensionless photos - worst software processing of any Samsung phone up to date. I have 5 days to return it for full amount, so I'll do that, don't want to take chances on waiting for that update if it even comes.. Then I'll just wait a bit for either them to fix it and I buy it again (I am only sad to leave the superior battery and wide angle camera, that's it) or wait for a new Huawei or Pixel to see what they're up to.
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Turn on Blue light filter and set the effect to minimum, then go and check the color saturation I'm sure they will be fixing this in a future update.
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Thank you so much!!! You made my day guys!
Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?
As a professional fashion photographer you should also know that you shouldn't rely on what the picture looks like on the display because many different factors come into play. Some displays and brighter than others just like some are for saturated. As long as you know that you're lighting and exposure is correct you should be fine.
On another note you can also save a raw file of the image.
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As a professional fashion photographer you should also know that you shouldn't rely on what the picture looks like on the display because many different factors come into play. Some displays and brighter than others just like some are for saturated. As long as you know that you're lighting and exposure is correct you should be fine.
On another note you can also save a raw file of the image.
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Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?
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@Corv0:
how can HEIF help me with lousy color and luminosity rendering (screen problem) and bad software processing (camera problem)?
@-Alan: maybe you should read my first post again? I already wrote that the screen on S10+ is poorly calibrated (no really dark tones = bad contrast, color shift, natural and vivid modes are both awful, blue light filter on low opacity saves it mostly, still not good enough compared to most other phone screens I used); and that photos look a bit better contrast wise on my calibrated desktop screen. That doesn't make it ok if I use a lousy screen on my phone all the time and look at photos on it which are miles away from saying "yeah, I know amoled phone screen can't be anywhere close to my Eizo but it's good enough for a phone".
There will always be compromises, but this is too big of a compromise if everything looks awful on the screen of a phone I use extensively every day.
That goes for the screen, and then there is the added problem of bad processing of photos from the camera, which I can't counteract on except shooting everything raw. So when you mention being ok with knowing the exposure is ok - for everyday use of phone camera I will never shoot anything in RAW because that would require spending extra hours and hours to postprocess everything on my own to usable jpegs, which is not why raw is there in phones in the first place. Camera in a phone like this should give you good enough starting point of their jpeg processing so you don't need to do it on your own to make it look ok for everyday stuff. This one doesn't. And if it forces users to shoot everything in RAW to make it look ok, that's a huge fail. On any professional SLR camera you will shoot RAW when it's important or desired to get the look of a jpeg better than the one the camera processes, but you can rely on mostly any SLR camera to give you a decent jpeg if your exposure is ok (shutter speed, aperture, WB, focus, ISO). S10+ simply does not produce a good enough jpeg to start with when the exposure is ok, because it processes that jpeg as a lousy HDR when HDR is off, and by lousy I mean shadowless, flat, wihout any depth and dimension. That is not my problem while taking photos (exposure wise), it's a software problem.
Well then either wait for updates or change phone Mr Photographer, I personally dont agree with you at any point so I can't provide any help either.
Corv0 said:
Well then either wait for updates or change phone Mr Photographer, I personally dont agree with you at any point so I can't provide any help either.
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Lousy puns with no merit, but ok. Still didn't get a reply from you - how does HEIF help anything I outlined as issues on this phone? This MRS Photographer doesn't know so I'd be happy if you could enlighten me? Thanks.
jbalic said:
Lousy puns with no merit, but ok. Still didn't get a reply from you - how does HEIF help anything I outlined as issues on this phone? This MRS Photographer doesn't know so I'd be happy if you could enlighten me? Thanks.
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I never said HEIF is supposed to help anything.
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4. Same scene photographed with S10+ is 3mb, and with my older Samsung S7 it's 4mb. How can that be? Why isn't there no more a setting in the camera app to choose resolution?
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Just pointing out how this stupid question contradicts the rest of your boasting around, you should have studied that in your course.
But yes, you can change resolution by changing aspect ratio in the main interface, there's absolutely no other reason to provide multiple resolutions besides for ratio testing, if you are so worried about size you can digitally reduce the resolution in the post-processing phase.
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Corv0 said:
I never said HEIF is supposed to help anything.
Just pointing out how this stupid question contradicts the rest of your boasting around, you should have studied that in your course.
But yes, you can change resolution by changing aspect ratio in the main interface, there's absolutely no other reason to provide multiple resolutions besides for ratio testing, if you are so worried about size you can digitally reduce the resolution in the post-processing phase.
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You are really trolling me here.. first you write "Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?", than I ask what you meant by that since I never mentioned HEIF anywhere, besides answering a question of another poster if it was turned on maybe, and the answer was no. HEIF has no influence on any problem I wrote of. Trolling.
As for the resolution, it hardly underestimates my profession or knowledge, which, I assure you is vast on matters like this. Older Samsung phones had a choice between two resolutions for the same aspect ratio (for example 4:3 in Samsung S7 you can choose 12M, or 6.2M; for 16:9 9.1M or 3.7M etc.). On S10+ there is only one resolution for 4:3 or any ratio, and its low.
So I still see no merit to your undermining my knowledge in what I do professionally, except to troll or just be rude.
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You are really trolling me here.. first you write "Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?", than I ask what you meant by that since I never mentioned HEIF anywhere, besides answering a question of another poster if it was turned on maybe, and the answer was no. HEIF has no influence on any problem I wrote of. Trolling.
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Boy, HEIF is why files of the same resolution and scene occupy less space, other users already explained that, you need to engage a few more brain cells before calling trolls.
No need to be hostile because you failed to prove yourself, move on with your life.