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Gyroscope .. ?

The new Galaxy S's all have gyroscope .. fascinate has flash , epic has QWERTY
screw all that .. i would've wished an epic but well it's CDMA and i need a GSM version .. oh well .. Galaxy S it is
but i was wondering .. does the original Galaxy S has that gyroscope ?

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"When you add in the 6 axis tilt control (gyroscope), the Galaxy S takes gaming to a whole new level. Now, let’s just hope we get some more compelling games on the Android Market."
that bla bla was on the link in the beginning of the thread .. so i believe all of the US S's have it
proof that Epic have it : http://www.androidcentral.com/gaming-sprint-epic-4g
now does the GSM version have it ?

Anyone? Does the original Galaxy S that is available in Asia have a gyroscope/six-axis accelerometer built in?

The EU and Asian Galaxy S doesn't seem to have a gyroscope. Its got a Bosch Sensortec SMB380 tri-axial accelerometer.

aksd said:
The EU and Asian Galaxy S doesn't seem to have a gyroscope. Its got a Bosch Sensortec SMB380 tri-axial accelerometer.
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Isn't that the same as a Gyroscope (like the one in iPhone 4)? Because gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4-3275.php says the following about the iPhone 4:
- Scratch-resistant surface
- Multi-touch input method
- Accelerometer sensor for auto-rotate
- Three-axis gyro sensor
- Proximity sensor for auto turn-off
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So does the tri-axial accelerometer in the Galaxy S function in the same way as the one in iPhone 4 or not?

some phones say gyroscope but really use the compass in addition to the accerlerometer to get the extra axis.. not sure which we have here.. dont always trust advertisement.s

ed10000 said:
Isn't that the same as a Gyroscope (like the one in iPhone 4)? Because gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4-3275.php says the following about the iPhone 4:
So does the tri-axial accelerometer in the Galaxy S function in the same way as the one in iPhone 4 or not?
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No gyro. and acc. are two different devices. One measures angles while the other measure acceleration in different axis.

as I know the accerlerometer in iphone 3GS can only perceive 2-axis (X, Y). The gyroscope added to iphone 4 make it 3-axis (X,Y,Z); it's equal to SGS's accerlerometer which can perceive 3-axis.
In my opinion, our SGS's accerlerometer will function equally to iphone 4's accerlerometer + gyros

iPhone4 has a 3-axis Accelerometer and 3-axis Gyro (STM L3G4200D) for precise 6-x axis movement.
SGS has only 3-axis Accelerometer as I know.
Without a Gyro you can read angle movements by a 3-axis magnetometer(compass) but with much less precision.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720446
It seems that the i9000 has an accelerometer as well as a geo-magnetic 3 axis sensor.
Basically, every version of the galaxy S, including asian/euro ones, have 6 axis sensing capbilities

Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 - Real PDAF ? What is the camera sensor used ?

Hi,
I own a Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 Prime, recently, there was a review of this smartphone at DPReview, mainly due to the camera being 13Mpx with Phase Detection Auto Focus, on such a cheap smartphone.
And I was wondering, how can I identify the Camera Sensors on this phone?
There has been a teardown of the phone, and below is the picture of the sensors found:
myfixguide dot com/manual/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Xiaomi-Redmi-Note-2-Teardown-16.jpg
The thing is, this references don't lead to anywhere... I've searched the net for them and found nothing... On Xiaomi's publicity, sometimes the sensor is publicized as being from Samsung or OV (Omnivision), this is never good, as we never know really what is the sensor we have on our phone...
And I've seen my share of Chinese Smartphone manufacturers that say they put sensors from Sony, and then it's Omnivision or Samsung (if your lucky), or else it's "Sunny" or some other small time chinese sensor brand...
What called my attention was, that for a smartphone so "cheap" (base model costs aprox. $125 in China), they put a 13Mpx PDAF sensor on it...
But I'm not sure both Omnivision and Samsung produce sensors with the same specs, also, from the picture below, it looks like the sensor might in fact be from "O-Film", another relatively lesser known sensor brand (check: o-film dot com)
Both sensors seem to have similar codes:
OMI BA 08
OMI 5F 05
So it looks like they might be sourced from the same manufacturer, but looking at the references, I'm afraid if they aren't really a 8Mpx sensor, interpolated to 13Mpx... Because of the "08" in the reference of the back sensor, while the front one has "05" which corresponds to the frontal camera spec of 5Mpx.
Can anyone help me identify the real sensor inside my phone? Thanks for the help !

Type *#*#6484#*#* into Phone, click on Software Version and scroll down. It does say OFilm under both Camera values. At least in my case.
Edit:
the sensors are http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/products/cmos-image-sensor/mobile-cis/S5K3M2?ia=217 and http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=150
Sent from my Redmi Note 2

sunbriel said:
Type *#*#6484#*#* into Phone, click on Software Version and scroll down. It does say OFilm under both Camera values. At least in my case.
Sent from my Redmi Note 2
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Thanks for the tip !
In my case, I have:
- Back camera: the Sunny made S5K3M2_2ND (probably a clone of the Samsung ISOCELL S5K3M2, maybe this is their 2nd version clone or try...)
- Front camera: the Ofilm OV5670 (a clone of the Omnivision OV5670 probably)
I wonder if these clone brands have as good quality as the original ones...

Been looking on Chinese forums about this topic. I myself don't really care, but it slightly caught my interest. They are saying that the sensor is Samsung's and the camera module is Ofilm's or Sunny's.
Sent from my Redmi Note 2

Same here. The picture quality at day rivals those of much more expensive phones and the phone focuses fast enough for me - so the question on whether it's original vs a clone, or whether the PDAF is a real or fake one is purely academical to me. As for how such a "cheap" phone can have such features, it's simple: the companies charge huge margins. Just look at Sony's M5, it's essentially the same phone with more megapixels (though, tbh, not really better image quality) and costs around 500€. You're paying about 300€ just for the brand and pixels.

It's not a clone. Here is one of the links where it is explained what it all means: www.miui.com/thread-2916880-1-1.html
Use Google translate, you'll understand the general meaning. Basically, it's like I wrote in my previous post.
Sent from my Redmi Note 2

I'm not saying it is a clone, I'm saying I wouldn't care even if it is.

I was responding to the OP, though.
Sent from my X98 Air II (HG9N)

I have Sunny cameras (rear & front)
Front camera shot clean pictures in good light condition.
Rear camera is a little bit noise and macros are not perfect (you must stay at least at 10 cm from the subject in order to get a good macro) but autofocus is very fast
The problem is video FPS
I noticed that it drops dramatically in low light condition, from 30 to 22 so shot video lags
And in your?

I noticed that with miui 7 we now have slow motion so somewere around 90fps. ( you have to be in hd not in full hd to get this option).

U.S. or International ?

who has the brightcell sensor , the us or the inter. galaxy s7 ?
is-it best than imx 260 ?

the us or the inter. galaxy s7 ?

The camera sensor is a crap shoot. I'm in Australia, my Edge has the Samsung sensor, my mother's S7 has the Sony, both made in Vietnam.

I have the Samsung ISOCELL (brightcell is incorrect) on the international model, it's like Genebaby said, it is totally random which phone get what sensor. I think they just threw all sensors in 1 bin before they assembled the phones.
Several tests have proven both sensors are equally good.

US or International Version has only SoC differences.
Camera is NOT Region specific. Just the CPU is.

Juuls said:
I have the Samsung ISOCELL (brightcell is incorrect) on the international model, it's like Genebaby said, it is totally random which phone get what sensor. I think they just threw all sensors in 1 bin before they assembled the phones.
Several tests have proven both sensors are equally good.
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Okay, so I have the SLSI_S5K2L1_FIMC_IS sensor, which is.... which one? I'm using AIDA64 to check.

J.Biden said:
Okay, so I have the SLSI_S5K2L1_FIMC_IS sensor, which is.... which one? I'm using AIDA64 to check.
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That's the Samsung one.

Camera part?

Which sensor is the Axon using? All we know so far is a 20MP ISOCELL sensor, but not even a part number. Easiest way to find out would be for someone with the device to download AIDA64 and go to the Devices screen. To anyone who does, thanks in advance!

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Which sensor is the Axon using? All we know so far is a 20MP ISOCELL sensor, but not even a part number. Easiest way to find out would be for someone with the device to download AIDA64 and go to the Devices screen. To anyone who does, thanks in advance!
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I'm not seeing anything. Is there something else I can try?

jkuczera said:
I'm not seeing anything. Is there something else I can try?
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Did you enable camera permissions?

AB__CD said:
Did you enable camera permissions?
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Had to do it manually in app settings. ????

jkuczera said:
Had to do it manually in app settings. ????
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Whoops doesnt seem like it's recognized by S/W yet. Thanks for your effort though.

@peramikic posted on the ZTE forum (referenced in the last post at the bottom of this page) that the kernel source identifies the sensor as S5K2T8. Samsung doesn't list that on their site as a mass-produced sensor for purchase, but Truly Semiconductors does.
I posted the same on the ZTE forums, but the best guess is that's a 20MP variant of the S5K2P8, which is a 1/2.6" ISOCELL sensor with 16MP. Wikipedia lists the P8 as the only (mainstream) Samsung sensor never used in a Samsung phone. It is, however, found in the Lenovo Vibe Z2 Pro. Take Wikipedia as a source as you will, but the Z2 Pro forum on XDA mentions the P8 sensor.
I was under the impression that Samsung doesn't sell the sensors it makes for its own use to other companies, though I could be wrong. If that's the case, though, it would make sense that they crammed 20MP on what was previously a 16MP sensor and sold it to ZTE, allowing ZTE to claim that the Axon 7 uses a Samsung sensor was made specifically for ZTE.
The question is why Samsung never used the P8. They produce the S5K2P2, which is nearly identical and found in the S5, S6, and Note 5.

It makes sense that it's a 16MP sensor "expanded" to 20MP.
A few days ago I noticed something weird: using the devcheck app, I remember dividing the sensor size by the number of pixels would give me 1.1um in one direction and 1.45um in the other. I guess we would get a square pixel size if the did the calculation with a 4/3 ratio rather than a 16/9 ratio

Thanks for the great info. Why wouldn't they just let people know the sensor ?

rczrider said:
@peramikic posted on the ZTE forum (referenced in the last post at the bottom of this page) that the kernel source identifies the sensor as S5K2T8. Samsung doesn't list that on their site as a mass-produced sensor for purchase, but Truly Semiconductors does.
I posted the same on the ZTE forums, but the best guess is that's a 20MP variant of the S5K2P8, which is a 1/2.6" ISOCELL sensor with 16MP. Wikipedia lists the P8 as the only (mainstream) Samsung sensor never used in a Samsung phone. It is, however, found in the Lenovo Vibe Z2 Pro. Take Wikipedia as a source as you will, but the Z2 Pro forum on XDA mentions the P8 sensor.
I was under the impression that Samsung doesn't sell the sensors it makes for its own use to other companies, though I could be wrong. If that's the case, though, it would make sense that they crammed 20MP on what was previously a 16MP sensor and sold it to ZTE, allowing ZTE to claim that the Axon 7 uses a Samsung sensor was made specifically for ZTE.
The question is why Samsung never used the P8. They produce the S5K2P2, which is nearly identical and found in the S5, S6, and Note 5.
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I believe the rumor is they were testing it for the S7 and then dropped in favor for whatever they ended up using in that line. It would make sense that they would have a bunch ready to get rid of for cheap, or just to recoup any R&D by selling it to someone who still wanted it.

ipmanwck said:
Thanks for the great info. Why wouldn't they just let people know the sensor ?
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Any number of reasons, though none I can think of seem good enough not to say, exactly, what the module is. Maybe some caveat with being able to say "custom-made by Samsung for ZTE"?
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I believe the rumor is they were testing it for the S7 and then dropped in favor for whatever they ended up using in that line. It would make sense that they would have a bunch ready to get rid of for cheap, or just to recoup any R&D by selling it to someone who still wanted it.
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I know that was a popular theory early on and it may very well be true. AFAIK, they don't have any other sensors with the "T" notation, so it could be the BRITECELL. IIRC, Samsung did say that it was a 20MP sensor with 1.0µm pixels and utilizing phase detection.
And it's entirely possible that Samsung abandoned the idea (RWB) for the same reason Motorola abandoned "Clear Pixel" (RGBC) and Sony abandoned RGBW: image quality issues. Or maybe they want to see what ZTE does with it. Who knows.

So some more tidbits from the kernel, here are all the possible mfgs for the sensor module apparently, with their ID codes
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_SUNNY 0x01
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_TRULY 0x02
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_A_KERR 0x03
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_LITEARRAY 0x04
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_DARLING 0x05
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_QTECH 0x06
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_OFLIM 0x07
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_FOXCONN 0x11
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_IMPORTEK 0x12
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_ALTEK 0x13
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_ABICO 0x14
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_LITE_ON 0x15
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_SEMCO 0xA1
MODULE_Map_Table S5K2T8_MODULE_MAP[] = {
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_SUNNY, "sunny_s5k2t8","sunny_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_TRULY, "truly_s5k2t8","truly_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_A_KERR, "a_kerr_s5k2t8","a_kerr_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_LITEARRAY, "litearray_s5k2t8","litearray_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_DARLING, "darling_s5k2t8","darling_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_QTECH, "qtech_s5k2t8","qtech_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_OFLIM, "oflim_s5k2t8","oflim_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_FOXCONN, "foxconn_s5k2t8","foxconn_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_IMPORTEK, "importek_s5k2t8","importek_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_ALTEK, "altek_s5k2t8","altek_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_ABICO, "abico_s5k2t8","abico_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_LITE_ON, "lite_on_s5k2t8","lite_on_s5k2t8",NULL},
{ S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_SEMCO, "semco_s5k2t8","semco_s5k2t8",NULL},
};
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AlesG87 said:
It makes sense that it's a 16MP sensor "expanded" to 20MP.
A few days ago I noticed something weird: using the devcheck app, I remember dividing the sensor size by the number of pixels would give me 1.1um in one direction and 1.45um in the other. I guess we would get a square pixel size if the did the calculation with a 4/3 ratio rather than a 16/9 ratio
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What is the sensor size reported by dev check?

peramikic said:
#define S5K2T8_SENSOR_INFO_MODULE_ID_TRULY 0x02
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Welp, there's Truly!
This is new territory for me; I didn't realize the kernel was written like that (identifying multiple manufacturers). Why is that done? Do they use different...drivers?
And so, just out of curiosity, if ZTE were to change the camera module in the future, I assume it would just be an added line (or lines) with that module information? Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting they will or that it's even that simple, but from an identification standpoint, is that all that's necessary?

peramikic said:
What is the sensor size reported by dev check?
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6.47mm x 4.87mm
5952px x 3348px

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6.47mm x 4.87mm
5952px x 3348px
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The sensor seems to be a 4:3 but the native 20MP res is 16:9. That means there is 30% of the sensor that is not used and this is actually a 30+MP sensor. The pixel pitch is 1.08 on width, but isocell has that pixel issolation so the pixel width is most likely 1um. that would make the sensor 31.5MP in full res... if pixels are square
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rczrider said:
Welp, there's Truly!
This is new territory for me; I didn't realize the kernel was written like that (identifying multiple manufacturers). Why is that done? Do they use different...drivers?
And so, just out of curiosity, if ZTE were to change the camera module in the future, I assume it would just be an added line (or lines) with that module information? Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting they will or that it's even that simple, but from an identification standpoint, is that all that's necessary?
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EEPROM mapping and to allow for different lens correction profiles and such. Each manufacturer would have a calibration correction so they can all be standardized in QA. Now truly having a camera module that is f2 but 6 element lens kinda makes sense, they probably could not fit an extra element without a larger bump to keep the f1.8

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The sensor seems to be a 4:3 but the native 20MP res is 16:9. That means there is 30% of the sensor that is not used and this is actually a 30+MP sensor. The pixel pitch is 1.08 on width, but isocell has that pixel issolation so the pixel width is most likely 1um. that would make the sensor 31.5MP in full res... if pixels are square
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That's...weird.

makes no sense, it would make the sensor on the 1" form type be 1/3.2 and not 1/2.6. I think the values devcheck is reading are not right or pixel is not square

peramikic said:
makes no sense, it would make the sensor on the 1" form type be 1/3.2 and not 1/2.6. I think the values devcheck is reading are not right or pixel is not square
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How common are non-square pixels? I wouldn't think very common.

I think iFixit tear down should reveal this info more definitively instead of guess work...

mjoshi123 said:
I think iFixit tear down should reveal this info more definitively instead of guess work...
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Is iFixit doing a tear-down?

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Is iFixit doing a tear-down?
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They have done in past for other devices, so hoping Axon 7 also gets same TLC

Is there any hope for the 1000fps slow motion video recording?

Before S8 was officially released, I have read "leaks" that the phone supposedly has 1k fps slow motion video recording, because the camera chip was capable of it.
Is the camera module in S8 really capable of that? If so, then do you think Samsung will later introduce the feature, or that maybe someone could create a ROM with such a feature?

I don't think this is the camera, our camera is pretty much the same as last year S7, the 1k FPS is the newest Sony camera that just came out, but I could be wrong, since I can't find reference to camera model with this capability. I think we do have 240FPS max.

Then whats up with all those leaks? I thought they got the specs, so they analyzed the HW and realized it was capable of it, so naturally they expected it in S8. I, of course, could be wrong, but I still thought that maybe Samsung just decided to hide the feature so they could make some great update and act like big heroes bringing amazing updates, like they did with the original galaxy S.
Anyone know if 1000fps is possible on S8's hardware? Really freaking hoped it would be implemented, because the phone wasnt nearly as great as I hoped the S8 will be. Pretty much S7 Edge with less bazel I have an S8+ btw.

You assume every leak is legit? Come on...

Well last I read the sensor in the US model is the same as the upcoming sony Xperia. So in theory maybe. As for the international s8 like mine, it has the same spec sensor but built by someone else and not sony so may not be capable of the same thing.

Here http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-XZs-Review_id4351/page/3 Sony XZs with 19MP sensor and sensor has dedicated large frame buffer to store those frames. As far as I know S8 has 12 MP sensor which is just newer model of S7. Also the review says that cam is not so good in low light, not sure if I would want to trade 12 MP sensor we have now, with good low light performance to 19MP sensor with low light performance not as good but with 4x slower slow motion.

Seansmit17 said:
Well last I read the sensor in the US model is the same as the upcoming sony Xperia. So in theory maybe. As for the international s8 like mine, it has the same spec sensor but built by someone else and not sony so may not be capable of the same thing.
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Read wrong.. 19mp in the sony... opps