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Well I did it, returned the Evo for Epic

Here is to hoping the dev community quickly upgrades the Epic to froyo!
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Jsimon9633 said:
Here is to hoping the dev community quickly upgrades the Epic to froyo!
glad to be here
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If they do, it will be missing 4G (amongst other things) until Samsung upgrades it themselves. But I think you made a good move.

I hope you enjoy the Epic more than the Evo. Im hanging onto my Evo until i get the Epic in hand and have a day or two to play with it. If all goes as expected then the Evo will be my girlfriends phone

Good choice . I have the vibrant and I love it. Good to see another sgs phone released ...

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Here is to hoping the dev community quickly upgrades the Epic to froyo!
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Well played Sir....

how much did returning your evo go towards getting your epic?

rawsoup said:
how much did returning your evo go towards getting your epic?
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Wel luckily I was within my 3 days of buying my evo (bought it July 30th) at best buy. So I returned it and went ahead and preordered the epic too.
So I'll just have to pay the 50+ tax difference
Can't wait til Tuesday !

Congrats on making the switch! The EVO really never did it for me. Don't like the phones accent color, Sense UI, and the layout of the capacitive buttons.
The Epic shall be EPIC!!!

koolhand79 said:
I hope you enjoy the Epic more than the Evo. Im hanging onto my Evo until i get the Epic in hand and have a day or two to play with it. If all goes as expected then the Evo will be my girlfriends phone
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This is exactly what I'm doing, except I'm just getting the Epic regardless. My girl really wants the EVO so, good for me d'.'d

Speaking off best buy basically said I was only like the 5th preorder
Man is samsung or sprint screwing this launch up? I get worried because if it flops will that mean little Dev support (custom roms) or samsung official support like software updates?

Stupid doublepost.

"The Decision"​
When did you decide?
I think I decided this morning. I mean, I decided this morning I went day to day. I wake up one morning, it's this device. I wake up another morning, it's this other device. And it's a process that I felt it was I may feel like this is the best opportunity for me or not the best opportunity for me.
But this morning I woke up, had a great conversation with myself. Once I had that conversation, I think I was set. ​
The answer to the question everybody wants to know: What's your decision?
In this fall, this is very tough, in this fall I'm going to take my talents to Samsung and get the EPIC.​

Hahaha. Wonder if there will be a letter from the Company owner of the "other device" about his decision.... LOL!

Jsimon9633 said:
Speaking off best buy basically said I was only like the 5th preorder
Man is samsung or sprint screwing this launch up? I get worried because if it flops will that mean little Dev support (custom roms) or samsung official support like software updates?
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Sprint is launching the phone, not Samsung. There is only so much that Samsung can do because they have 1 phone with 4 different names and 4 different sets of features on 4 carriers.
The commercials I saw advertised the "Galaxy S" phone. Unless you're a bit of an electronics/technology fan, then you won't put 2+3 together to realize that the Epic/Vibrant/Captivate/Fascinate are variants of the Galaxy S.
Besides that, certain other carriers like Verizon have done a decent job at branding their smartphone line.
I pulled out my Vibrant last week to show it to someone and they asked me if it was a Droid phone. Two choices:
1. Answer "no" and take 3 minutes to explain that 'droid' is a brand name and what android is and where my phone fits in.
2. Answer "yes" and avoid boring that person with a bunch of information they won't remember anyway.
Even though this phone is nicer than the EVO, I don't see it selling very big. Sprint customers are generally with Sprint because they are cheaper than Verizon and AT&T. The $250 price and +$10 "4G" fee for having the phone will keep people away.... especially since the Captivate and Vibrant are available on AT&T and T-mobile for $50 less up front, and ~$10 less per month (in t-mobile's case).
Also, the EVO just came out about a month ago or so. Its good that Sprint is getting some nice handsets, but they are going to price themselves out of their niche if they aren't careful. I expect the Epic to drop to $199 within 2 weeks of release.... I think they are just trying to squeeze early adopters

Don't they have to wait 30 days before dropping the price? Otherwise all the "early adopters" will become 2-week adopters as they en-masse return the phone and buy it again at the lower price.

Why doesn't T-mobile ever step up.....

On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"

When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.

I was extremely excited about this Galaxy Tab, but in reality, the price is kind of a dealbreaker, and as far as I can tell, there is no wi-fi only version. I am not paying for another device on the network.
But as far as why T-mobile doesn't step up: it is just like mmalott says. Contracts have so many intricacies, so many things that have to get ironed out.
But for what it's worth, you don't know that they won't make it available for T-mobile yet. Maybe Samsung will go to all 4 carriers with it, you never know. We'll have to wait and see.

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On things like this to offer their customers.......WTF???
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/03/sprint-to-get-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-this-november/
Even if Sprint does NOT get it why doesn't Tmo say "hey we'll take it!!"
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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.

The price is way to high for what is. For that price I can get a small fully functioning laptop that folds into a touch tablet.
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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.

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I'm happy that T-Mo is not trying to get all these first-gen experimental devices but focusing on the few solid and core devices along with providing great services.
This is what a normal consumer really needs.
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So true...

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When it comes to agreements between 2 or more business goliaths, I don't think its as simple as we'll take it. Lots of legal matters to get sorted out. Just look at all the drama it took to get the iPhone on AT&T to start with. They battled over details for awhile and still had issues after the release. Don't even wanna go into foreget tablets. Can we at least get a good list of smartphones on T-Mobile? One great phone and one very respectable phone (see Vibrant then MyTouch Slide) does not make for good choices when time to upgrade.
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that. plus there's the fcc approvals needed for each band/network it supports.

I've seen websites saying Verizon is getting it to, it's not unlikely that they are just releasing on all the carriers like they have with the Galaxy S series. They aren't even out of here yet are they? Didn't this happen before with the Galaxy S series, one company said we are getting it then the others followed?

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I guess the G2 doesn't count? WTF is your problem? If you love Sprint so much cancel your contract and go with them.
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My man/girl where on earth did you get the notion that I was Sprint fan? I have been with Tmo for 7+ years and would not even think about switching services!!! My original point being is why doesn't Tmo "make a play" for things such as the Tablet or even a good , better, best smartphone, even if we do not get them?
Granted given the response by "mmalot" looking at it that way I completely see why Tmo has taken the path it has.
I am happy with Tmo no doubt but I just wish their aggressiveness would equate to a better selection of phone choices, granted the Vibrant which I love is no slouch even with it shortcomings is still a great phone in its own rights.
Regarding a phone such as the G2 which has not come out yet I am sure it will be a worthy opponent I am NOT bashing Tmo I am suggesting that they become slightly more aggressive.
Make sure you have a valid point or even comprehend the statement that is in front of you before you go "bumping your gums" and comment such as you have done.
And in closing I do not have a problem with Tmo as I stated have been a loyal customer for 7+ years (when they were voicestream wireless)and will remain a customer but I like everyone else am entitled to their opinion and I will exercise it at will "heygrl", so please do not try and come at me like I am coming from left field, it was a "freedom of speech" moment.

I do know that a lot of the times the carriers have to bid on the phones/devices that they get. Depending on the manufacturer/device. Would you rather have a g2, mytouch hd, and possibly 2-3 other big devices by the end of the year, or would you rather have a galaxy S that is a little bit larger, without the Super amoled? Do remember that T-Mobile is dropping a ton of funds on rocking out the HSPA+ across the country super fast, and they're the 4th largest carrier. They have to choose a lot more carefully about where to invest then the others.

If someone has a vibrant now, the g2 wil be irrelevant by the time they have to upgrade again. Should not be releasing phones so fast, imo.
Also I may etf my contact and move off android because the fragmentation and slow updates/buggy devices are unbearable.
Almost regret not staying on at&t and getting am iphone. This is ridiculous.
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L8ter n8ter
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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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AT&T doesn't release an iPhone every year? T-Mobile releases 2 high-end devices within a few months and suddenly they need to slow down... according to other people they need MORE.. just stfu already.

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Actually it's: l8er n8er, but nice try at being witty without actually responding to the content in my post. These forums seem ripe with trolls.
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If you like locked down fancy looking feature phones and a barely working network then ATT is for you, and they'll gladly take your money, enjoy you iPhone 4, we don't care, it's your money

At the end of the day the real reason we're all with tmobile (don't lie) is because of their great plans/ pricing and awesome customer service. If that wasn't the case we'd be all on verizon. I think their approach with the vibrant/g2/faster network this year will play out very well for them.

I hate when people get offended if you tell your opinion about a company. Heygrl the way you reacted on the last page was childish. Grow up, I dont understand why people pledge loyalty to a company then act like blinded fanboys if you tell the truth about them.
T-Mobile obviously needs to step up. Whether they get this tablet or not isn't a dealbreaker for me. Especially if there is no wifi only version. However they need more phones, more high end state of the art phones. Verizon and Sprint are rumored to release 1.5 Ghz phones this year, they are not slouching. The G2's hardware will be completely obsolete by 2011, it will be a new generation of hardware. People seem to think this phone is the best ever because of HSPA+. What happens when you never reach those plateaus of speed and the first dual-core devices drop this year? Gonna feel buyers remorse huh.
It's also rumored that Samsung is working on the Galaxy S2 phone with a 2Ghz processor, 4gb of rom, 1gb ram, super amoled2 and 340ppi. Now THAT'S a revolution, but you ignorant fanboys would never see that because your devoted loyalty to a company makes you think the G2 will be the best phone ever. Such a joke...
HTC has a conference in a week or so, you think their best announcement will be the G2? Come on now. They are working on 1.5-2ghz phones, new battery and screen tech, and dual core devices.
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Even though I don't always agree with Tmobile's business sense I do like their more conservative nature. I don't need 3-5 phones with 2ghz cpus and the latest greatest iPhone at the cost dealing with the stereotypical corporate giant. All I ask for is at least 1 -2 comparable smartphones (MyTouch Slide & Vibrant delivered beautifully), good customer service, and keep your hands out of my pockets. I think T-Mobile has done an outstanding job at doing this. Dealing with Tmo has been a personal experience as compared to dealing with AT&T which was the usual your-the-little-guy thing.
Tmo has left me in wonder plenty of times. Where I live just got 3g but they were trying to sell me a 3G phone prior to that? Why are you guys selling the MyTouch Slide for only $20 less then the Vibrant? Am I missing something there? You guys are rolling out 4G!? But... there's plenty of places that don't even have coverage, EDGE, or 3G yet? Just some of the things that make me scratch my head sometimes but in the end, AT&T and Verizon don't leave me with the satisfaction that T-Mobile does.
Personally I don't want or need 20 smartphones to choose from. Too many problems for the network, the consumer, and the manufactures which will leave more often then not unhappy under the quantity over quality method of thinking.
At the end of the day its your choice based on your experiences and opinion. And this is a forum where people voice experiences and opinion. Just wish people could be more civilized about it so that others can hear/read them without the annoying gibberish.

I guess the real reason that people are so upset with T-mobile is because T-mobile was the first with an android phone and the first with the Google Nexus One phone, and they have lost that crown.
After Sprint got the HTC Hero, T-mobile wasn't the only android carrier anymore, and when Verizon got the Droid, they decided to buy up 95% of the high-end android smart-phones for the next 1.5 years.
AT&T rode iPhone popularity to the top. T-mobile failed to do this with Android. Looking at Android growth & popularity, locking up a few high end exclusives over the next 2-3 years could have propelled T-mobile into 3rd place in terms of subscribers. If I were to guess, then I would say that this is the reason why the CEO got the boot.
T-mobile is not doing that bad...what they aren't doing is beating out the competition with any of their handsets. Everything they release is done bigger or better by another carrier.
Its not as exciting as a 4G release, or a heavily marketed branded line of android phones like Verizon does... but clear away the smoke and mirrors and you'll have to admit that T-mobile is probably tied for 2nd at best (with Sprint), or at worst 3rd overall on android handsets.
The only thing they are missing is a 4.3" high end device to be the definitive 2nd place android carrier.
As for being #1... it won't ever happen. Verizon has 3x the subscribers and charges 20% more for service. They have the cash to burn to stay on top in terms of handset selection.... which they pretty much have to because iPhone lovers will never leave AT&T until the handset is available elsewhere

Good Bye S(n)exus One.

Please forgive me if im in the wrong category. It said 'general' so I figured.
So today I found out my dad will be switching us from Tmobile to Sprint. I was sad to hear that my Nexus One will no longer be my best friend, instead my dad chose to pick up the Epic 4g. We will be switching this Friday. I was a little upset because of the large rumored release of the Nexus S. And the fact that the Epic, according to the sprint Rep, was on 2.1 unlike my current 2.2.1 nexus.he said it will be updated around the holidays. I asked him if the updates will continue without being held back by the carrier, he said yes and that sprint hasn't held anything back yet. I was unsure if this was true or not, my dad gave me hardly anytime to do more research on sprint and their phones so I went off of things I already knew.
The Rep was nice, spoke to him over the phone, while my dad and brother were at the sprint store with him.
I don't think he could comprehend how a 16yo could know so much I asked him if we had 4g in south Carolina and he answered no. I asked an estimate of how long it will be until we get 4g he said 6 months. So that's $60 I will be paying for nothing. (Mandatory 10$ for 4g speeds). I also mentioned my custom roms and root, which he knew about but seemed confused when I ventured further into the topic ( I get excited when talking about Technology and tend to go overboard.) Anyways his main sale tactic was:
"you will get unlimited talk, text, web. isn't that cool?"
I'm upset that my phone will be "with Google" instead of "BY GOOGLE"
anyways I just felt like someone should know because I'm honestly sad to leave my nexus. And I treat it like my best friend. Sorry if you wasted time reading this.
If you have any advice about sprint, or the epic 4g. (I will begin looking at the epic forum soon) or anything else you want to add, please do.
I warned my dad if there is a set and confirmed release date for the rumored Nexus S and its on GSM. I will pounce on it like a cat.
Goodbye Nexus One. I had a good time with you. Your 1ghz snap dragon is great, you never lag, but I must move onto a faster hummingbird processor and 4g speeds. I will never sell you. And I will most likely buy a 'pay as you go plan' so I can still update your ROMS, and use you.
Love Branden
(God Im pathetic...)
Again sorry if you wasted time reading this.
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The good news is Samsung will probably follow the same sales approach with the Nexus S (and/or Galaxy S2) as they did for the Galaxy S, as in slang it all over the world on every carrier possible. There may be light at the end of the tunnel.

ya the word is it may be available for multiple carriers so u may be safe. But you could of gotten the Evo since it is supported by several devs, even Cyanogen

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ya the word is it may be available for multiple carriers
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Haven't seen or heard that at all. The only FCC filing, currently, is for TMO frequencies.

i know how u feel about ur nexus cuz i am a same and it's bad decision to move from tmo to sprint , sprint toooo expensive, but Google will not be slow, they will make nexus s for sprint, this what i am thinking and hoping to be true

I didn't want to move from Atmosphere, my Dads decision, but he doesn't listen. And the evo was my other choice
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I'm currently on Sprint with a EVO 4G. With CM it comes pretty close to the Nexus One experience wise but sans the trackball and with a more satisfying size IMO.
That said, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a WiMax capable Nexus S on Sprint a month or three after. They already did it with the SGS/Epic 4G so you never know.
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You should have 30 days to switch to other phones if you don't like the epic, my friend just got an evo and it's sick! If this happened to me,i would go for that instead, htc is way better than samsung with updates and rooting, plus touchwiz is kind of cheesy. Hope this helps, and enjoy any new phone you get.

I agree touchwiz is. And the guy seemed quite adament that it will be updated constantly, I know were getting the Epic for 99$ with 2yr contract
Anyone know the price of the Evo? If not I'll check online .
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Branden10 said:
I agree touchwiz is. And the guy seemed quite adament that it will be updated constantly, I know were getting the Epic for 99$ with 2yr contract
Anyone know the price of the Evo? If not I'll check online .
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Updated constantly....can't help but laugh.

You should carry around your Nexus One and just use your Epic to tether your Nexus for data

Evo=CM6
Sgs =No CM6 EPIC FAIL
I know its hard leaving the n1 but you gotta make the right choice.

Evo FTW.....

The Epic is... epic. It's an amazing phone in terms of hardware, root it and wait for CyanogenMod to come out for it.

What is with your carriers. I think it is terrible that they do not work around a standard like 900/2100 GSM.

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What is with your carriers. I think it is terrible that they do not work around a standard like 900/2100 GSM.
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Well, in this case it doesn't matter what bands the phone uses, it's a different standard. GSM vs CDMA.

Dad can go to sprint you stay here.. problem solved.

Who else is Returning their Atrix before 30 days are up?

The Atrix is kind of my second Android device. I had a Captivate for a few weeks and wasn't a fan. After following the Atrix (back when it was known as the Olympus), and having own it since the 21st, I think it's time to return it.
I like the phone. I like Android. And while AT&T may not be the fastest in my area, they're pretty good. But having my upload speeds "capped" really irritates me. There's no reason why it shouldn't have HSUPA enabled. And I don't trust AT&T to update it. So, as a consumer, I'm going to vote with my wallet and return my Atrix before I get locked into a contract.
I've been looking really hard to find an N1 for AT&T. The search hasn't gone well. Most people I've contacted on craigslist have a hard time telling me if it's Tmo or AT&T 3G. I figured most people with N1 were geeks and would know that question right off the top of their head. I've found a couple of ebay, and even though I know that phone is awesome, I have a hard time paying $300+ for a year+ old phone.
Anyone that knows someone selling an N1 for AT&T 3G, I'd be willing to pay up to $250 based on condition. I just really, really, really don't want to go back to using my iPhone 3G.

I am still waiting to hear from the repair guys regarding my iPhone 3GS. That's the initial reason I made the jump. But the clock is ticking and my 30 days are almost up. So if I hear from the tomorrow and my phone is reparable, I may take the Atrix back and wait to see what the iPhone 5 is gonna boast and if its nothing but a 4GS type of an upgrade... I'll most likely repurchase the Atrix. I just don't want to be kicking myself IF (the operative word is IF) the iPhone summer update release is comparable or surpasses any other phone on the market.
With all of the mods the developers are creating, I'm hopeful that the speed thing won't be an issue for long. But you are right about AT&T being shady.

Going to return mine if HSUPA / Skype issue is not resolved as both are pretty much a deal breaker for me.

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I am still waiting to hear from the repair guys regarding my iPhone 3GS. That's the initial reason I made the jump. But the clock is ticking and my 30 days are almost up. So if I hear from the tomorrow and my phone is reparable, I may take the Atrix back and wait to see what the iPhone 5 is gonna boast and if its nothing but a 4GS type of an upgrade... I'll most likely repurchase the Atrix. I just don't want to be kicking myself IF (the operative word is IF) the iPhone summer update release is comparable or surpasses any other phone on the market.
With all of the mods the developers are creating, I'm hopeful that the speed thing won't be an issue for long. But you are right about AT&T being shady.
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At least you have a 3GS. Do you know how horrible it is go from a fast, 1ghz phone, to a phone that's 400mhz with 128mb ram? Plus it's JB, so it's even slower.
I'm curious about iphone 5 as well, but it's going to take more than hardware to bring me back. I had an iPhone 4, and the antenna sucked. Also, I'm super bored with the OS. If the OS gets a major overhaul and the phone is better, I'll probably get it.
There is also the rumor about the HTC Revolver coming around Q3. Dual core, Android 3.0 (my guess is 2.4).
I'm actually really thinking about switching to VZW for the Tbolt. Except I hate VZW and have had a much more positive experience on AT&T. Except, at the current moment, they're only the 3rd fastest in Phoenix. Tmo and VZW LTE are faster.
Decisions... Decisions...

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Going to return mine if HSUPA / Skype issue is not resolved as both are pretty much a deal breaker for me.
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+1... Really need both when I travel...

i was thinking of returning mine because of the 2gb cap but i doubt i will
and since im able to get a steady connection from att and one that is fast and not bad like sprint and tmo it.
i believe that att and moto will push out the updates soon
its not like it samsung or sprint

I'll likely return mine. And too bad I sold my AT&T N1 today.

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The Atrix is kind of my second Android device. I had a Captivate for a few weeks and wasn't a fan. After following the Atrix (back when it was known as the Olympus), and having own it since the 21st, I think it's time to return it.
I like the phone. I like Android. And while AT&T may not be the fastest in my area, they're pretty good. But having my upload speeds "capped" really irritates me. There's no reason why it shouldn't have HSUPA enabled. And I don't trust AT&T to update it. So, as a consumer, I'm going to vote with my wallet and return my Atrix before I get locked into a contract.
I've been looking really hard to find an N1 for AT&T. The search hasn't gone well. Most people I've contacted on craigslist have a hard time telling me if it's Tmo or AT&T 3G. I figured most people with N1 were geeks and would know that question right off the top of their head. I've found a couple of ebay, and even though I know that phone is awesome, I have a hard time paying $300+ for a year+ old phone.
Anyone that knows someone selling an N1 for AT&T 3G, I'd be willing to pay up to $250 based on condition. I just really, really, really don't want to go back to using my iPhone 3G.
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Isn't the HSUPA+ of the Atrix is not compatible with the AT&T tower yet unless they turn the HSPA+ on?
I'm confused. Motorola is working on Skype compatibility now.

i'd sell you my ATT N1 for 275

Not a chance.
I'm building linux (ubuntu) boxes as often as I can and to have a phone of the same ilk is quite nice. One that is this fast is quite the bonus.
Phone carrying corps won't do anything unless we vote no with our dollars. I know I'm not doing it. Switching to another company still shows you are hooked.
iphones are boring. Edit: Great designs, beautiful methodologies. Still, boring bar the eye candy.

I have 10 more days to decide. I'm really on the fence still. On one hand the hardware is amazing and blazing fast. Friends and family wow at the tegra hd games, hdmi webdock with out using the official moto dock, and the snappiness of the OS is great (granted its rooted, frozen and better optimized than stock form.) Also, the hope that the bootloader will be open in the future and custom roms made for it are a big wait and keep it flag for me. But on the other hand moto has left a bad taste in my mouth with the locked bootloader, and so has at&t with the HSUPA fiasco. But then I have to also hope that a more powerful or as powerful "community friendly phone" will be out soon as well, because anything else up till now doesn't boast this kind of hardware and speed in MY experience..... Decisions.

I already returned mine. Motorola made such an awesome phone and then teamed up with AT&T to completely cripple it! I fully trust AT&T will do everything they can to SCREW Atrix buyers. GET OUT NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN!
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There isn't a chance in hell apple does anything but incremental upgrades.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Everyone will still buy it. The iPhone 4 was an extremely large jump, this will be a nice step forward.
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Crappy selection of phones on T-Mo?

I read an article on Engadget yesterday about how T-mo is planning to roll out LTE in 2013 but that they also have lost just under a million customers in the last quarter. About 50% of the comments were people saying how much they love T-Mo, the other T-Mo haters explaining why they left or are leaving. One of the most common complaints I read was "lack of a decent phone line-up". Many pointed to Verizon as having the best Android line up, quality devices, best service, coverage blah blah blah. After reading this I realized something. The more devices a carrier releases in a short amount of time the quicker the devices become obsolete and left behind. Not just by the OEM and carrier, but the dev community as well. Case in point: A good friend of mine called me earlier in the month and was complaining about the bloatware on his new Droid Bionic. Another friend was complaining about his Droid X not working properly. Both of these friends wanted my help rooting and installing a custom ROM. When I pulled up the development page for both phones I was surprised at how quiet it was and how so few decent ROMS there were available. Eclipse and Liberty looked like the only two decent ones but both had not been updated in quite a while. The Droid X was a very popular phone, why so little support? Then I looked at my Vibrant running ICS Euphoria, remembered all of the ROMS & kernels I had flashed before that, Trigger, T.W. Bionix, Bi-Winning, Bullet, Tiger's Blood, Destroyer of Worlds, Overstock, the list goes on and on! There is still enthusiastic development for the Vibrant which by today's standards should be an obsolete device! Its still chugging along! I picked up the SGS2 on the "free phone day" and was pleasantly surprised to see several of the same people supporting that phone too, like Eugene, Roman, Whitehawkx. Wow!
So maybe a lack of selection is not always a bad thing? There seems to be a genuine "community" around T-Mo and that is a good thing. Just makes me wish more people would learn to root and tap into their phone's full potential instead of complaining and jumping ship because of "poor selection". I know we are in the minority, not many people care to root their devices or even know what that means, too bad they are missing out on a great community!

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I read an article on Engadget yesterday about how T-mo is planning to roll out LTE in 2013 but that they also have lost just under a million customers in the last quarter. About 50% of the comments were people saying how much they love T-Mo, the other T-Mo haters explaining why they left or are leaving. One of the most common complaints I read was "lack of a decent phone line-up". Many pointed to Verizon as having the best Android line up, quality devices, best service, coverage blah blah blah. After reading this I realized something. The more devices a carrier releases in a short amount of time the quicker the devices become obsolete and left behind. Not just by the OEM and carrier, but the dev community as well. Case in point: A good friend of mine called me earlier in the month and was complaining about the bloatware on his new Droid Bionic. Another friend was complaining about his Droid X not working properly. Both of these friends wanted my help rooting and installing a custom ROM. When I pulled up the development page for both phones I was surprised at how quiet it was and how so few decent ROMS there were available. Eclipse and Liberty looked like the only two decent ones but both had not been updated in quite a while. The Droid X was a very popular phone, why so little support? Then I looked at my Vibrant running ICS Euphoria, remembered all of the ROMS & kernels I had flashed before that, Trigger, T.W. Bionix, Bi-Winning, Bullet, Tiger's Blood, Destroyer of Worlds, Overstock, the list goes on and on! There is still enthusiastic development for the Vibrant which by today's standards should be an obsolete device! Its still chugging along! I picked up the SGS2 on the "free phone day" and was pleasantly surprised to see several of the same people supporting that phone too, like Eugene, Roman, Whitehawkx. Wow!
So maybe a lack of selection is not always a bad thing? There seems to be a genuine "community" around T-Mo and that is a good thing. Just makes me wish more people would learn to root and tap into their phone's full potential instead of complaining and jumping ship because of "poor selection". I know we are in the minority, not many people care to root their devices or even know what that means, too bad they are missing out on a great community!
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You know. I agree. I have been looking at the new phones coming out and my fingers are itching to pick something else up. But instead of buying something new I picked up a second and third Vibrant. Mainly because I actually bricked my first one the other day. Got these other two cheap on Craigslist. Put Euphoria on it with KISS 2.2 on it and I actually have working GPS!
Going to send my bricked one into Josh at MobileTechVideos.com and have him jtag it to life again. Then I will have 3 of them. Add some new bezel because the two I got had some issues with them. Install the FFC on it and then sell them on Ebay or something for a small profit.
Well. I just want to THANK our awesome dev community and supporters. You are awesome! Not to mention those old Devs who have left the Vibrant but was a big part of the initial making the Vibrant one of the greatest phones out there.

Hello, I just wanted to say that I just recently bought my 1st smartphone, which is of course the Vibrant. Im really in love with this phone, Im just a little dissapointed that T-Mobile is not really giving support to the phone anymore (after Froyo), but like you said, I'm very happy that a lot of people is still paying attention to the phone, developing stuff.

T-Mo does have a ****ty phone selection. Top tier phones at T-Mo are what? Sensation loaded down with carrier iq, and ridiculously poor battery. And the SGSII, from Samsung, who has proven time and again that support for older phones is not worth their effort, and its just plain too big for the resolution. Sure it has great devs, but they can't add ppi. Not to mention it will never see an official ics release, so no matter how good the devs are, there will always be bugs. I'm about to give up on T-Mo myself...just can't bring myself to accept AT&T as my new overlord yet...
Damn you Swype!

T-mobile lost many customer is mostly younger people who want to go with Iphone 4s. This is why T mobile dont carry Iphone. The only thing I like T mobile is that they have a better price on service rate plan.Rest of the other cell phone provider dont have a better plan than t mobile have. Like I can call long distance any time any day and other provider have time limited are only after 7pm to 10pm. T Mobile do have crappy phone selection right now but their main popular phone is SGS2 they have sell more phone than other cell phone provider sell. T mobile will have a better phone selection there many new phone are coming this year. I bet you there will be alot of good phone by the end of 2012 before christmas they going to sell tons of new phone and good deal to buy.

the only reason im still on TMO is because of the cheap plans they have.
No way in hell would I go to ATT for the same plan but twice the money.
I do think about switching to Verizon or Sprint. Verizon seems to have quality phones, not just quantity of it.

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the only reason im still on TMO is because of the cheap plans they have.
No way in hell would I go to ATT for the same plan but twice the money.
I do think about switching to Verizon or Sprint. Verizon seems to have quality phones, not just quantity of it.
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I'll never own another CDMA phone if I can avoid it. Not to mention the ridiculous prices for Verizon plans, I don't care if they drop the GSX with hyper threading 24 core processor and a 3600mAh battery in a 1mm thick chassis with the Hubble telescope for a camera for $99 on two year contract tomorrow, I wouldn't switch to them. Sprint, maybe, but like I said, I would rather not ever own a cdma phone again.
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