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The elusive locked bootloader

Okay so I've got a theory about Motorola encrypted bootloaders like the ones on DX and Milestone. What I'm looking for is definitive information on the droid x lockout mechanism. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone knows of a broken DX to utilize for this experiment please let me know. It involves a hardware based process so a complete functional phone is not necessary. This method has been known to work with RSA encryption so it shows promise. Thank you.
MrKaz

From what I've heard, the "key" so to speak, in burned into the CPU itself. Its my understanding the only true way to unlock the BL is with Moto's keys, which we wont be getting any time soon. Whatever your plan is, I wish you the best. But we've had roughly 20+ of these threads come and go on here with everyone thinking they can crack it, and nothing ever pans out. Its a matter of the right people with knowledge and the right equipment to do the job, but those things have just not come together yet.
Once again, I wish you the best!

You may want to contact @aliasxerog, @_mrbirdman_, and/or @nenolod on twitter as they have all worked on trying to break/circumvent the bootloader. @P3Droid may be knowledgeable as well.

Yeah, I realize there's been a lot of threads on this. Having read a good deal of them I've determined that for the most part the consensus is that it can't be done, or at least not by any brute force means. However, I'm interested in other ways like signal injection and other hardware based avenues. After all, it is a chip and chips have flaws... Maybe I don't know enough to realize what it would take, and maybe being too stupid to understand that it can't be done is exactly what is required...
Thanks for all your input
MrKaz

MrKazman said:
Yeah, I realize there's been a lot of threads on this. Having read a good deal of them I've determined that for the most part the consensus is that it can't be done, or at least not by any brute force means. However, I'm interested in other ways like signal injection and other hardware based avenues. After all, it is a chip and chips have flaws... Maybe I don't know enough to realize what it would take, and maybe being too stupid to understand that it can't be done is exactly what is required...
Thanks for all your input
MrKaz
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MrKaz,
+1 to your idea. Hey, who knows what will work.. with all that is going on, I wouldn't be surprised if the one idea that works..is some off the wall idea such as a chip flaw... Go for it man... I say take the idea and run with it.
best of luck

Your idea is one that I have been working on. All that needs to happened is find a way to dump the info to a computer and resign or make a dummy key to patch and inject back in.. unfortunately I have yet been able to inject anything because once dumped and cleared it doesn't regonize still active.. blah DX

MrKazman said:
Okay so I've got a theory about Motorola encrypted bootloaders like the ones on DX and Milestone. What I'm looking for is definitive information on the droid x lockout mechanism. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone knows of a broken DX to utilize for this experiment please let me know. It involves a hardware based process so a complete functional phone is not necessary. This method has been known to work with RSA encryption so it shows promise. Thank you.
MrKaz
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Is this the electron starvation method that you speak of? From my understanding, that's a server exploit. Not really useful for a DX.
You want to be gamed up with the isht? #milestone-modders on freenode
gpaulu said:
You may want to contact @aliasxerog, @_mrbirdman_, and/or @nenolod on twitter as they have all worked on trying to break/circumvent the bootloader. @P3Droid may be knowledgeable as well.
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Boooooooooooooooo...
_mrbirdman_ & nenolod dropped the ball and jumped ship.
P3Droid is better at BS and espionage than development. I mean, who actually uses tranquility? Or hasn't been bricked by it? Beside, what's been the biggest draw TBH has had to their app? The tether patch? If you were me, you'd be LYAO... LOL
As for @aliasxerog, from what I've seen, I've got very little faith that his efforts will pan out. Unless he stops looking to the above mentioned "devs", and starts working with the milestone guys. Especially yakk, who's probably done the most work on the kexec kernel module(Funny, aliasxerog's src makes no mention. He just says he ported it from the milestone efforts.). Yakk hasn't even released all of his code for kexec, so what aliasxerog is working with is incomplete, and certainly not up-to-date. His source doesn't even compile. Not even on my trusty build system that built the first DX overclock kernel module for Froyo, which jumped off JRummy's DX career(Jared didn't even bother to say "hey, mind if I use the module you built?"). Gotta love the DX devs! They bring so much laughter into my life!
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With that said, MrKazman, good luck in your efforts.

http://www.and-developers.com/boot:boot_chain
You may want to take a look at this. I think it's about the milestone, but it is similar to if not the same as the droid x

tekahuna said:
Is this the electron starvation method that you speak of? From my understanding, that's a server exploit. Not really useful for a DX.
You want to be gamed up with the isht? #milestone-modders on freenode
Boooooooooooooooo...
_mrbirdman_ & nenolod dropped the ball and jumped ship.
P3Droid is better at BS and espionage than development. I mean, who actually uses tranquility? Or hasn't been bricked by it? Beside, what's been the biggest draw TBH has had to their app? The tether patch? If you were me, you'd be LYAO... LOL
As for @aliasxerog, from what I've seen, I've got very little faith that his efforts will pan out. Unless he stops looking to the above mentioned "devs", and starts working with the milestone guys. Especially yakk, who's probably done the most work on the kexec kernel module(Funny, aliasxerog's src makes no mention. He just says he ported it from the milestone efforts.). Yakk hasn't even released all of his code for kexec, so what aliasxerog is working with is incomplete, and certainly not up-to-date. His source doesn't even compile. Not even on my trusty build system that built the first DX overclock kernel module for Froyo, which jumped off JRummy's DX career(Jared didn't even bother to say "hey, mind if I use the module you built?"). Gotta love the DX devs! They bring so much laughter into my life!
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With that said, MrKazman, good luck in your efforts.
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I love your honesty!
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Syco54645 said:
I love your honesty!
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Beesley doesn't... LOL
http://twitter.com/TheRealBeesley/status/30036655129763840#
@LexusBrian400
build.prop edits vs. Droid X Froyo Overclocking & AP Mode Tethering
Maybe I should put up a donation link, huh? LOL
P.S. I can't help but think your username is a reference to B-Legit's verse on Sideways... Little known fact: The Ambassador himself gave me the handle FreeWELL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXGvsbSjLw

Didn't notice that you mentioned jared. I rather like him. Let's just leave it at that...
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Update
I'm getting more and more familiar with this situation every day. I'm also starting to realize what a big problem this is. I've spent a good deal of time pouring over the work they're doing with the Milestone which is kind of the same thing but isn't. Nonetheless I applaud the work they do and donate my CPU to Androinc. After that I've been reading and collecting every Block Diagram, Datasheet, Whitepaper, and post about mbmloader, m-shield, omap, and the like. Yeah, its complicated alright. The fact is though that its just a lock. A lock is a system based on deterrent not prevention. Systems built for mass production have accepted flaws to keep costs down. Chips aren't perfect, code is not perfect. Use the weakness against the system and the lock is picked. The more complex the system the more chances to get in....
Eh, I digress...
Anyone wanting to learn more about this let me know.
The search continues....
Kaz
Motorola, I paid for the Hardware. I can handle my own software and security...

The Bootloader has been bypassed, its just that the custom kernel has no drivers to run.

Ubermicro13 said:
The Bootloader has been bypassed, its just that the custom kernel has no drivers to run.
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Well ill drive to help out...as long as someone has some snaps on the petro!
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If this is anything like any other locked software, it's based around asymmetric encryption: Motorola HQ has a super-secret key that they use to encrypt their bootloaders, and they put the decryption key on every device, so that only things that are encrypted with their key will be decrypted correctly. The only way we're going to get the encryption key is by sleeping with the CEO of Motorola. It is - by design - not on the device.
The only way to replace the bootloader would be to replace the decryption key with one of our own or by bypassing it completely(using a buffer overflow or something similar).

As much as I want to believe that this can be done, its close to impossible and honestly not worth the persons time to try it, they did a good, well great, job of locking this thing down but ill say that liberty actually makes this feel like a new phone.
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IWHBYD said:
If this is anything like any other locked software, it's based around asymmetric encryption: Motorola HQ has a super-secret key that they use to encrypt their bootloaders, and they put the decryption key on every device, so that only things that are encrypted with their key will be decrypted correctly. The only way we're going to get the encryption key is by sleeping with the CEO of Motorola. It is - by design - not on the device.
The only way to replace the bootloader would be to replace the decryption key with one of our own or by bypassing it completely(using a buffer overflow or something similar).
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Just take one for the team there buddy.... lol
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what does the CEO of motorola look like?

Enjoy
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Executive-Team/Sanjay-Jha-31da.aspx

openbox9 said:
Enjoy
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Executive-Team/Sanjay-Jha-31da.aspx
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not it *noses*

[Q] g2 general questions

Hey all, I was thinking of getting a g2 after my contract is ready for it, and ive got a few questions. I'm not really a noob to all this rooting and cyanogen mod, so i might understand some of the technical jargon. i've rooted my g1 with cyanogen 5.0.8
If you use visionary to temp-root your phone daily, is there any chance for bricking it? Are there are any known problems with using visionary?
what are the main benefits with getting permaroot as opposed to just temp rooting it everytime? im not that interested in roms like cyanogen, gingervillan,etc
can you use setcpu with the stock tmobile g2 rom?
is the hinge really that bad?
does tmobile really monitor tethering? some say that the original g1 plan includes tethering but that just sounds absurd.
what exactly does busybox do? i have asked this several times but havent gotten a clear answer; i know that it has to do with linux, but thats about it :/
theres a section on the wiki about g2 radios; i dont understand what is the problem with the stock radio and why someone would want to flash another one besdies for the reason of getting a better signal, but this leads me to the question of 'doesnt tmobile update the radio? why would we need to manually update radio'?
what are the main differences between using visionary temp to permaroot and the adb method? if i were to use the visionary one, at what point could i enable s- off and hboot?
that being said, is there any news about a new release of visionary?
can't people just ask tmobile for a sim unlock code after 1 year? why do we have to root it and do it?
Looking at the wiki, i dont understand what md5 is when the wiki provides downloads and what it means
what is hboot used for and whats the difference between that and a bootloader (whats a bootloader btw)
can both temp rooting and both versions of permarooting work on 1.19 and 1.12?
thanks!
EDIT: can a mod move this to the right section? (Q&A)

I can only address a few of these questions and leave a majority of them for more intense power-users than myself.
what are the main benefits with getting permaroot as opposed to just temp rooting it everytime
can you use setcpu with the stock tmobile g2 rom?
what exactly does busybox do?
is the hinge really that bad?
can't people just ask tmobile for a sim unlock code after 1 year?
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~I suppose the main difference between perm and temp root would have to be persistence of your root. Once you reboot your phone, you lose temproot. With perm root, this is not an issue and you don't have to set up all your root permissions again and again, thus saving you time.
~No, you cannot use SetCPU on a non-rooted device. Stock rom? Sure, you just gotta have that sweet, sweet super-user sauce.
~Busybox, as far as I can tell, is a prerequisite package to getting titaniumbackup to work. Without the former, the latter will not function.
~The hinge is a matter of perspective. I found it to be rather loose however the merits of this device far outweigh the easily rectified hardware issue. Most users will not have a major issue with the hinge being somewhat lose, however as the stock spring loses oomph as it were, i can see how user dissatisfaction could increase; especially if they're uninformed as to how easy it is to rip the thing apart.
~You should be able to call up customer care and request a sim-unlock code at virtually any time, not just after 1 year. T-mobile is well known for not giving a flying rats ass if you unlock your sim. Keep in mind you will probably encounter some layers of low level phone jockeys in your attempt to do so. Be very clear that you want to be passed up to someone higher in the chain. Even better get a live rep on the tmo-usa website. I found that they're much more knowledgeable and competent.

No cant brick with temp root..the process goes with visionary: you have to gain temp root get an emulater from market type some su commands to get s-off then permaroot your device...now you can oc and have temp root when temp rooted but to flash roms/kernels/custom recovery and not have them erased opon reboot you have to have s-off...the hing is fine it is a lil lose but doesnt effect me at all.id imagine it would effect hip carrier users...bootloader is program to flash radios and things in the safest way..example when you flash a radio in recovery it just flashes in bootloader the file undergoes heavy file checks...(i think)
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ahh, thank you so much! i really appreciate the clear cut answer; in regard to your setcpu on a stock rom, i forgot to mention that it would be temp rooted. So the main question is, could i use setcpu and over/underclock with a temprooted stock rom?

I can't really see that stopping you. You'll have to set it up every time at boot but it should work without to much issue.
If you don't mind me asking, why are you so focused on persisting your temp root? Perm rooting won't take much time..

for a few reasons;
I'd like to be able to return the phone under warranty without the hassle of unrooting and the risk of something going wrong
Also, I'm a bit afraid of adb to be honest xD I have terrible 'luck' when trying to read directions and something little always goes amiss.
There's always the prospect of gingerbread coming soon to vision, and after i get stock 2.3, i dont have that much of a preference for a rom, setcpu and a few other things that are contained in root only interest me.
i really appreciate all your help, thanks!

With the visionary+gfree method you don't need to really know adb to get anything done. there are some shell commands for terminal emulator but that is about it.
However I can totally understand your desire to be able to turn it back in under warranty. I'm moderately concerned about it myself, as assuming the ATT/Tmobile merger goes through I don't know if I will have to turn this device in for credit on a new handset or what.
As for the prospect of stock 2.3 coming to the Vision you're absolutely right. There is a prospect and I think the saga of the long stalled Froyyo update for the Vibrant should teach us to always be wary of whatever the carrier says. Admittedly the g2 is a legacy device in the eyes of many and should have excellent support. But I'll believe it when I see it.

Stock Rom for me neer went higher than 800MHz
Once I rooted my phone, I could not get the cpu to go higher than 800MHz. I think you might need a new kernel. For me the only things I needed rooting for are: screen shot (droidcap2) and over clocking (better response time).

bradley_e_smith said:
Once I rooted my phone, I could not get the cpu to go higher than 800MHz. I think you might need a new kernel. For me the only things I needed rooting for are: screen shot (droidcap2) and over clocking (better response time).
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As you are already starting to piece together: rooting, in of itself, does not enable overclocking. You need to flash a custom kernel which support overclocking.
Scroll down to "Kernels" on the following page and pick one. Kernels are ROM specific (particularly Sense vs. non-Sense), so be sure to read up and pick the right one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
Then install an app such as SetCPU or CPU Tuner to change the maximum CPU clocking.
Titanium Backup (to backup apps and app data) and nandroid backups via Clockworkmod/ROM Manager are a couple other invaluable reasons to root. Aside from the more obvious ability to flash custom ROMs.

astriaos said:
As for the prospect of stock 2.3 coming to the Vision you're absolutely right. There is a prospect and I think the saga of the long stalled Froyyo update for the Vibrant should teach us to always be wary of whatever the carrier says. Admittedly the g2 is a legacy device in the eyes of many and should have excellent support. But I'll believe it when I see it.
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I was reading somewhere (I think an XDA post by a former Samsung employee) about how Samsung does not consider ROM updates a part of their contractual obligation to the carriers, and expects to be paid extra for them. Essentially, blackmailing the carriers for software support for their hardware, that they should already be supplying in the first place (and that most other manufacturers do). This was allegedly a big reason for the long delay in Froyo coming to the Galaxy S series.
HTC seems to be a little more agreeable in this respect. They have announced Gingerbread for the Desire Z sometime this spring. But if you're wanting an official GB ROM without Sense, that has not been mentioned yet, unfortunately.
http://pocketnow.com/android/gingerbread-for-htc-desire-hd-z-and-inspire-s-coming-this-spring

[Link] Sometimes root isnt the answer

http://www.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
This should be stickied in every android forum here. Im not rooted, and i totally agree with this post.
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just being able to run ad blocker for games is enough reason for me

I think this all boils down to 2 things:
1) patience
2) intentions
You have to read up and study about rooting. Even though geniuses here and in other places have made it so relatively easy, no amount of relative ease will help someone who isn't detail-oriented, logical and methodical.
But the 2nd bit, intentions, is even more important. Rooting for its own sake is just stupid. In my case, I needed it for a reason never necessary for my old Touch Pro: roaming. On the TP, all I needed to do was install a CAB file. On Android and Sprint, root access was needed. All the other things I can do while rooted are just gravy. Mighty delicious and addicting gravy, but nevertheless gravy. ^_^

zanderman112 said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
This should be stickied in every android forum here. Im not rooted, and i totally agree with this post.
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While I agree with the post, I am not sure you read it, it doesn't exactly agree with what you, it just talks about why people who aren't tech-savvy shouldn't do something that could potentially brick their phone just to do it.

063_XOBX said:
While I agree with the post, I am not sure you read it, it doesn't exactly agree with what you, it just talks about why people who aren't tech-savvy shouldn't do something that could potentially brick their phone just to do it.
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I did read it. And I payed attention. Lol. What I meant to say was, that this is one of the reasons I haven't rooted, I'm not good enough with pc's to do it. And even if I did manage to root succesfully, I wouldn't dare try flashing things and such. I'm all for making this phone better, but only with the things I'm comfortable with. When I upgrade to another phone in the future, I might start messin with this one for the experience, then I might do it on my current phone, whatever it may be.
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I personally don't *need* root. It does make a few things possible that I find useful, such as a permanent minfree mod, being able to store a few pictures in the system space for use as homescreen icons that don't take forever to show up after the phone boots, and actually replacing system apps with upgrades rather than taking up space on my data partition. I could easily survive without those things.
I completely agree that there are people that should not root, should not run custom roms, etc., and I see them regularly here and elsewhere. Much like that article says, they are not (necessarily) stupid, they just don't have the proper mindset.
When I see people posting things like "I don't see update.zip, I just see update" I cringe and start thinking that there should be a computer competency exam necessary to allow even the minimal "hacking" involved in things like rooting and roms.

JMMusic said:
When I see people posting things like "I don't see update.zip, I just see update" I cringe and start thinking that there should be a computer competency exam necessary to allow even the minimal "hacking" involved in things like rooting and roms.
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Make it happen lol
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+1 on the part about benchmarks. Maybe my usage is just minimal and simplistic compared to those who do it, but I just cannot understand why people benchmark phones (except maybe for graphical benchmarks to see what gaming performance might be like) or try to overclock from 1ghz to 1.2 or even 1.4 ghz. I just don't understand exactly what the point is, when the phone is (generally) fast enough to begin with.

Because you can.........
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TWO515TY said:
+1 on the part about benchmarks. Maybe my usage is just minimal and simplistic compared to those who do it, but I just cannot understand why people benchmark phones (except maybe for graphical benchmarks to see what gaming performance might be like) or try to overclock from 1ghz to 1.2 or even 1.4 ghz. I just don't understand exactly what the point is, when the phone is (generally) fast enough to begin with.
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Why buy a sports car? I mean a Corolla is fast enough for most use. Why get a 6 core desktop with 32gigabytes of RAM?
The real question is: If you want it then why not?
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I agree with the post. My wife is perfectly happy with her phone stock. Not me. I like to try new stuff and play around.
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!

I've helped plenty of people out who had no idea what they were doing now they edit xmls and smali on the regular. What some people need is a one on one in something like an irc so they can be reassured after each step and after the first round of flashing their comfort level and confidence greatly improve. To most people with these phones this is the first time they ever did any computer related mods in their life but they don't necessarily need to wrote off as to dumb to root
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063_XOBX said:
Why buy a sports car? I mean a Corolla is fast enough for most use. Why get a 6 core desktop with 32gigabytes of RAM?
The real question is: If you want it then why not?
Texted while driving
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Well I kind of understand what you're saying, but I don't really agree with your analogies. The car one is harder to fit because a lot of people buy sports cars for the look or the name, or whatever other features here and there that the Corrolla may not have. Even still, driving habits, location and so may other factors play into whether to get a sports car or a cheap sedan like the Corolla.
Overclocking your phone doesn't really compare because we're talking about taking what we already have (Corolla, sports car, or otherwise) and then modifying it for what is usally a minimum increase in performance. If your car has a 300 hp engine and you upgrade it to 350 hp, but don't drive it any differently than when you had 300 hp, what was the point of upgrading it?
And idk who has 32gb of RAM for regular desktop use, but most people who overclock their PC's can see a finite, tangible increase in performance. I'm on syndicaterom 1.1.0 which can scale up to 1.3 ghz. However, I would never notice the difference between 1 ghz and 1.3 ghz because 1 ghz is already more than fast enough for all of the things I do on my phone, and more than likely for the things that most, if not all people do on their phones. Most of the time, it seems like it's more for the theory and bragging rights. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I just don't see why people overclock and then benchmark their phones for non-gaming applications. To each his own I suppose.

Um. Tethering mostly. And also titanium backup.
Ill be it. I'm NOT a computer genius but imnot an idiot. I can root and whatever just fine and things work out eventually. So that's good. Still want to do ec05 and genocide 1.0 though... but yeah..
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Yeah... The author of that editorial should say that to the Indulge users' faces.

Lol, did he really say this should be stickied on every android forum here?? Oh no he didn't! That's like telling every Puerto rican that his Stock Honda Civic is fine the way it is, lol. Is that not what this forum is all about?? This is XDA Developers right? This is about developing new ideas for these devices that we feel are needed, wanted, or just for fun. These devices are capable of so much more than just stock gives us and we are here to unlock those possibilties. Guess what, a lot of these depend on root, or gaining Superuser permissions. The guy who wrote the arcticle sounded to me like he was just tired of noobs not paying attention or studying before the exam.
The rooting process really can't get any easier. If you could read instructions, download a file and find a button on your keyboard you can root. The problems are caused after you take the wheel of the rooted device and aren't educated enough on how to drive it after you turn off autopilot! But that's why these wonderful forums are here right?

Hypnotic2010 said:
That's like telling every Puerto rican that his Stock Honda Civic is fine the way it is, lol.
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The joys of racial stereotypes. You're a class act.

k0nane said:
The joys of racial stereotypes. You're a class act.
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You have no idea how many times I have had to bite my tongue on this forum... like the kids these days sayin 'no homo', they might as well add 'yes homophobe'. that and the 1488's in usernames... I just try to keep my mouth shut (completely contradictory to my nature) unless someone is using that ignorance in a way that needs to be addressed. The above statement is such, even if you are puerto rican, nobody knows that here on the interwebs... so you could be reinforcing racism in one of the impressionable kids here, when the only impression that should be made is a boot on the racists head.
Support your local ARA. (AFA in the UK/Europe)

Well here is the thing..the article mentions the Thunderbolt..and HTC is stepping it up taking things more annoying...for us though we got Odin, which is pretty good and simple at being a backup tool...
If a user is inexperienced and is afraid to mess up I just point them to EB13 tool and then update.zip to EC05 and they are back to normal...
That said out of curiosity..has anyone ever bricked their epic rooting? I mean I know on other phones rooting can brick...but I'v heard many people messing up and never heard of anyone bricking...but maybe I missed something...anyone see someone brick just by rooting?

Spot on
dreamsforgotten said:
I've helped plenty of people out who had no idea what they were doing now they edit xmls and smali on the regular. What some people need is a one on one in something like an irc so they can be reassured after each step and after the first round of flashing their comfort level and confidence greatly improve. To most people with these phones this is the first time they ever did any computer related mods in their life but they don't necessarily need to wrote off as to dumb to root
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Good reply Dreams,thats how i feel live and learn.
I have walked many people through rooting the epic the first time.
Now they are more advanced, and the community is better for it.

Anyone working on custom roms, kernels, etc?

I certainly don't mean to sound like I'm complaining but I find it surprising that there aren't any custom kernels or roms yet. The xoom was overclocked to 1.5 ghz within 3 days of it's release but we have not seen anything(other than getting root which was ridiculously easy). I don't really know anything about modifying kernels or anything(it's probably about time for me to learn) but I can't believe that all of the 5000 devs who got this device are like me. So is anyone working on anything? If you are, please don't take this the wrong way. I know(or have some idea) of how much work needs to go into it and I really appreciate your effort. If you're not.. well, then definitely I can't complain cause I'm not doing anything either haha.

smaskell said:
I certainly don't mean to sound like I'm complaining but I find it surprising that there aren't any custom kernels or roms yet. The xoom was overclocked to 1.5 ghz within 3 days of it's release but we have not seen anything(other than getting root which was ridiculously easy). I don't really know anything about modifying kernels or anything(it's probably about time for me to learn) but I can't believe that all of the 5000 devs who got this device are like me. So is anyone working on anything? If you are, please don't take this the wrong way. I know(or have some idea) of how much work needs to go into it and I really appreciate your effort. If you're not.. well, then definitely I can't complain cause I'm not doing anything either haha.
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Kernel src has not been released yet.

doh! that should have been obvious. For some reason I was just mindlessly thinking "it's tegra 2 just like the others so it should be no problem" but obviously that is not correct. The soc is clearly not everything.. I guess we'll probably have to wait until the device is officially released.

hello all!

Well last night I cracked the screen on my Droid X, So this morning I woke up and realized that I had to buy a new phone.
I went searching the xda Forums for a phone that still had active Development going for it, but a phone that wasn't too expensive. SOOOOOOOOo I decided on the Droid Incredible! (found one in new condition for $95) I'm very impressed with the STILL active development on the DInc, Considering the Droid X is Newer, and development tapered off well before last Christmas... There hasn't been a good rom released for the X in MONTHS!
I'm not new by any means to the rooted/Rom'd community, and I'm more than Positive that I can share a lot of good input.
So if any dev's need help/testers, etc, LET ME KNOW!
So tell me guys - What rom/kernal tweaks/themes/radio mods should I start with?
Theres TOO many for me to decide on my own!
Thanks!

CM7 with incredikernel.
Or if you want it to be a little fancy with less tweaking and work involved, go MIUI and incrediknerel.
ICS is available, but doesn't run as well as the GB ROM's do.

Yeah I'm not too crazy about ICS myself, Is everything working on CM7 for the DInc?
How about performance? FC's or laggy scrolling?
Because on the X we never had Camera, Gps, Etc., and The only way to get past laggy scrolling was to OC/OV, which still Killed your battery in half a day lol
and then on CM9 We had some crazy bugs like being stuck in landscape mode which I CANNOT STAND
Thanks for the Starting point though!

internecinehigh said:
Yeah I'm not too crazy about ICS myself, Is everything working on CM7 for the DInc?
How about performance? FC's or laggy scrolling?
Because on the X we never had Camera, Gps, Etc., and The only way to get past laggy scrolling was to OC/OV, which still Killed your battery in half a day lol
and then on CM9 We had some crazy bugs like being stuck in landscape mode which I CANNOT STAND
Thanks for the Starting point though!
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everything will work. you can even undervolt, i usually make it ~16 hours on the stock battery

Welcome! I think you'll find that the X and Dinc are two entirely different experiences haha many of those issues you mentioned on the X are non-existent for most roms here.

SlimSnoopOS said:
Welcome! I think you'll find that the X and Dinc are two entirely different experiences haha many of those issues you mentioned on the X are non-existent for most roms here.
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Yeah, as I'm reading thru the forum posts, I'm starting to realize this lol.
To start with, the X had a Locked Kernal, which is probably the reason why the development tapered off so fast

watt9493 said:
everything will work. you can even undervolt, i usually make it ~16 hours on the stock battery
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With little/moderate/heavy use?
For my X to last that long, I would literally have to turn off GPS, Wifi, Data, Background data, Auto sync, etc lol
Basically what I'm saying is that I'm very impressed with everything I'm reading about the Incredible

If you are thinking about CM7 and want a more stable, smoother, more optimized ROM for Dinc, and also don't want the hassles of chasing nightlies, try "inc-deck-gingerbread."
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1119857
It's a CM7 clone... that is better than the official one from CM. The only real difference, as far as features, is that inc-deck comes with a vanilla launcher, instead of ADW launcher like CM has. Just install the launcher of your choice, if you don't want vanilla. I like Go launcher EX.
Incredikernel is what I use also.
mods (ones that I remember at least)
ext4 for all... normal data version
v6 supercharger... balanced

internecinehigh said:
With little/moderate/heavy use?
For my X to last that long, I would literally have to turn off GPS, Wifi, Data, Background data, Auto sync, etc lol
Basically what I'm saying is that I'm very impressed with everything I'm reading about the Incredible
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the inc is about a 1000x's better for hacking then all verizon motorola phones combined. lol. and give the latest cm7 nightly a try with the newest incredikernel. i can link you to ext4 mods, v6 supercharger and adrenalyne shot too.

Thanks for all the input guys, I've been learning a lot from these posts!
I used v6 Supercharger for a while with my X, but stopped using it because I never stayed on 1 rom for more than a couple days at a time and got so sick of setting it up every day lol.
I could just never find a rom that I could settle with because they all had their problems...
So other than OC/UV, what else are the benefits from IncrediKernal?
Also, My phone hasn't arrived yet, So I don't know which version of android or HBoot is on it yet, But is there anything In specific that I need to look for or that I need to know before I start to root?
And, with the X, We had what we called an "SBF", which basically was an un-brick for our phones. If our phones ever bricked or bootlooped after flashing anything, we just plugged our phones into the computer, booted into recovery mode, and "SBF'ed" back to stock. And basically, our phones went right back to stock, unrooted, bloated Froyo or Gingerbread, and we had a 2.3.340 file for Froyo that we could flash, and a 2.3.602 Gingerbread File.
So is there anything like that the Dinc?
Thanks again guys!
This is the kind of community that I was wishing the DX community was, and now I'm glad I'm gonna be apart of the Dinc Forums!

internecinehigh said:
Thanks for all the input guys, I've been learning a lot from these posts!
I used v6 Supercharger for a while with my X, but stopped using it because I never stayed on 1 rom for more than a couple days at a time and got so sick of setting it up every day lol.
I could just never find a rom that I could settle with because they all had their problems...
So other than OC/UV, what else are the benefits from IncrediKernal?
Also, My phone hasn't arrived yet, So I don't know which version of android or HBoot is on it yet, But is there anything In specific that I need to look for or that I need to know before I start to root?
And, with the X, We had what we called an "SBF", which basically was an un-brick for our phones. If our phones ever bricked or bootlooped after flashing anything, we just plugged our phones into the computer, booted into recovery mode, and "SBF'ed" back to stock. And basically, our phones went right back to stock, unrooted, bloated Froyo or Gingerbread, and we had a 2.3.340 file for Froyo that we could flash, and a 2.3.602 Gingerbread File.
So is there anything like that the Dinc?
Thanks again guys!
This is the kind of community that I was wishing the DX community was, and now I'm glad I'm gonna be apart of the Dinc Forums!
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well, its REALLY REALLY and i stress REALLLLLLLY hard to brick an incredible. the only way i know of is pulling battery while flashing radios or double flashing them. most stuff is recoverable via a RUU. ive never had to use one personally, because i dont ever mess with radios. but here is the website where all the hboots, sbf's and stuff are found.
http://pvillecomp.com/

I must say we have been a tight knit community since release date. Also:
Droid X: SBF = Droid Incredible: RUU

SlimSnoopOS said:
I must say we have been a tight knit community since release date. Also:
Droid X: SBF = Droid Incredible: RUU
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I love this phone and this (ever shrinking) incredible community. I will not upgrade for anything and will shed a tear the day my incredible dies.

cmlusco said:
I love this phone and this (ever shrinking) incredible community. I will not upgrade for anything and will shed a tear the day my incredible dies.
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lmao I can already tell you guys are gonna be a great group to work with, expect to hear A LOT from me
Thanks for the insight on the whole SBF/RUU deal
I'm familiar with ADB from my first two android phones, but NEVER used ADB once with my DX, so I'm a little rusty. Should I be worried about setting up my SDK and what not before I get my phone just to get it out of the way? or no?
Also, I was reading about Downgrading to S-off, and obviously I don't know what version of Android is on my Incredible until I get it, but is downgrading completely necessary for Root/Rom?
I'm guessing you guys also flash .zip's thru clockwork or rom manager?
I briefly had a samsung Fascinate that used Voodoo recovery instead of clockwork, Is why I ask.

POQbum said:
CM7 with incredikernel.
Or if you want it to be a little fancy with less tweaking and work involved, go MIUI and incrediknerel.
ICS is available, but doesn't run as well as the GB ROM's do.
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Agreed, CM7 with incredikernel. Stable & rock solid, so many customizations available. Tried out just about every ROM after getting bored of CM7, and always end up coming back before days end. Nothing better for this phone in my opinion.
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internecinehigh said:
lmao I can already tell you guys are gonna be a great group to work with, expect to hear A LOT from me
Thanks for the insight on the whole SBF/RUU deal
I'm familiar with ADB from my first two android phones, but NEVER used ADB once with my DX, so I'm a little rusty. Should I be worried about setting up my SDK and what not before I get my phone just to get it out of the way? or no?
Also, I was reading about Downgrading to S-off, and obviously I don't know what version of Android is on my Incredible until I get it, but is downgrading completely necessary for Root/Rom?
I'm guessing you guys also flash .zip's thru clockwork or rom manager?
I briefly had a samsung Fascinate that used Voodoo recovery instead of clockwork, Is why I ask.
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You dont really need the whole sdk, just adb, fastboot, and their drivers. You can pick that up here http://dinc.does-it.net/ADB/ADB-Fastboot-USB-Drivers_v4_(x86)(x64).zip. And here http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/windows_hboot_driver_install is how to install the drivers if you dony already know.
You can get root and flash roms without being s-off, however you cant flash radios, hboots, or splash screens. I would highly recomend to do it anyways, as it makes your phone much easier to troubleshoot and fix if it were to break somehow in the future. It also makes it much easier to reroot should you need to do an ruu or somehow loose root.
Yes roms and mods are flashed thru cwm (prefered) or amon ra recovery, and ruus, hboots, radios, splash screens, and recoveries thru hboot.

cmlusco said:
I love this phone and this (ever shrinking) incredible community. I will not upgrade for anything and will shed a tear the day my incredible dies.
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I hear ya! I'm contemplating delaying my upgrade until late summer to see how things develop. All these upcoming phones have excellent specs minus battery capacity so I need to see what changes my mind. Not to mention, I've been checking out various other forums (GNex and Rezound) and many users just seem more argumentative and blatantly rude. I guess that comes with the increased user base.

SlimSnoopOS said:
I hear ya! I'm contemplating delaying my upgrade until late summer to see how things develop. All these upcoming phones have excellent specs minus battery capacity so I need to see what changes my mind. Not to mention, I've been checking out various other forums (GNex and Rezound) and many users just seem more argumentative and blatantly rude. I guess that comes with the increased user base.
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not a fan of the gnex community myself. The dinc people I know there rarely post.
Anyway. Love cm7 and I flashed cm 6.1 on my Inc using boot manager just for nostalgia tonight. Cm6.1 was my first custom ROM ever.
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cmlusco said:
You dont really need the whole sdk, just adb, fastboot, and their drivers. You can pick that up here http://dinc.does-it.net/ADB/ADB-Fastboot-USB-Drivers_v4_(x86)(x64).zip. And here http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/windows_hboot_driver_install is how to install the drivers if you dony already know.
You can get root and flash roms without being s-off, however you cant flash radios, hboots, or splash screens. I would highly recomend to do it anyways, as it makes your phone much easier to troubleshoot and fix if it were to break somehow in the future. It also makes it much easier to reroot should you need to do an ruu or somehow loose root.
Yes roms and mods are flashed thru cwm (prefered) or amon ra recovery, and ruus, hboots, radios, splash screens, and recoveries thru hboot.
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Sweet thanks for all the input guys! All these links and info definitely help and are making my life a whole lot easier lol
The only reason I didnt buy a newer phone is because I'm so sick of the big ass screens and what not on them, that was one of the main things I hated about my DX. But, I'm enjoying the community here and I don't even have the phone yet lol, it should be here tomorrow I can't wait!
So tell me, is there any bugs on CM7 that you've found? Or is it perfect? What's your favorite tweaks? Do you guys have unthrottle mods? And Voltages/ frequencys are your over clocks at? Do you prefer setcpu/quick clock/rom toolbox, etc?
Thanks again guys

internecinehigh said:
Sweet thanks for all the input guys! All these links and info definitely help and are making my life a whole lot easier lol
The only reason I didnt buy a newer phone is because I'm so sick of the big ass screens and what not on them, that was one of the main things I hated about my DX. But, I'm enjoying the community here and I don't even have the phone yet lol, it should be here tomorrow I can't wait!
So tell me, is there any bugs on CM7 that you've found? Or is it perfect? What's your favorite tweaks? Do you guys have unthrottle mods? And Voltages/ frequencys are your over clocks at? Do you prefer setcpu/quick clock/rom toolbox, etc?
Thanks again guys
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The only thing that doesn't work in cm7 that I'd wish worked is 720p video. I can live without. To set voltage, most use an app called incredicontrol. Overclocking is built into cm7. Iamtheonetheycallneo has a flashable voltage script, that lowers the voltages for the high and low voltage part of the frequency.
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