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I rooted today and wanted to spread the word on the benefits of rooting. If you wait till you complete your one-year-warranty you will be missing out on the cutting-edge mods, tweaks & bugfixes that are releasing now. After a year there will be a better phone (N2?) available and development for the N1 will be slow/reduced.
Since I'm new to the rooted world please feel free to provide points I missed and I'll update this list (i.e. this is a work in progress). thanks.
Pros:
Complete access to your superphone. (essentially a linux box)
USB tether, WIFI tether. (I'm posting this right now via wifi tether )
Ability to run applications that require root. (N1 torch, Trackball color, startup disable, apps2sd)
Himem kernel. (400MB RAM compared to 212 MB stock)
Option to install apps on the SD card via A2SD (apps2sd)
Ability to theme your phone, change the kernel, Replace apps with modded versions, install bugfixes yourself
Possibility to include features (FM, higher res videos, divx etc) from the Desire/legend/other phones. These will probably NEVER be officially released for the N1.
Ability to change the kernel. With Undevolting, Overclocking, AVS, CPU throttling (SetCPU) etc; you can aim for a faster speed or longer standby battery life.
Cons:
Voided Warranty (there are cases where you still get service though)
No official OTA updates. (you get them a few hours late, or months earlier )
Nice list!
I think the thing that prevents people from rooting is voiding their warranty. I honestly believe that just stops them in their tracks (along with noobs thinking they lose OTA features). If it weren't for the loss in warranty, I believe people would root in a quick second..
Pretty sure we already know.
I applaud your effort, though.
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Pretty sure we already know.
I applaud your effort, though.
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...especially considering many of us have been fooling around with Android since the G1, and there are already numerous threads about rooting, or why to root, or the pros of rooting, or if rooting will void the warranty. Ugh. This forum is filling up with crap threads quick.
uansari1 said:
...especially considering many of us have been fooling around with Android since the G1, and there are already numerous threads about rooting, or why to root, or the pros of rooting, or if rooting will void the warranty. Ugh. This forum is filling up with crap threads quick.
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I actually applaud this thread.
I was ready to come in here all PISSED off at yet ANOTHER thread asking "like, oh m ygod, convince meeeee to root plezzzzzzzzz"
Thank you for not being that type of thread.
I will put the shotgun down now.
uansari1 said:
...especially considering many of us have been fooling around with Android since the G1, and there are already numerous threads about rooting, or why to root, or the pros of rooting, or if rooting will void the warranty. Ugh. This forum is filling up with crap threads quick.
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agreed... it kills me... i think users should have to get a G1 first... brick it, get a new one... learn from their mistakes, and then graduate to the Nexus One after figuring out the basics of Android... this forum is turning into the G1 junk-pile all over again
palosjr said:
agreed... it kills me... i think users should have to get a G1 first... brick it, get a new one... learn from their mistakes, and then graduate to the Nexus One after figuring out the basics of Android... this forum is turning into the G1 junk-pile all over again
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Or we could act in the spirit of forum participation and pass on wisdom so that the community as a whole can grow, rather than everyone starting at year 0.
A mod should just sticky this thread and maybe people will stop making new ones asking why they should root
Bump for the lazy asshats unwilling to search
liam.lah said:
Or we could act in the spirit of forum participation and pass on wisdom so that the community as a whole can grow, rather than everyone starting at year 0.
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What a great thought. +1
The 2 cons are not really important for me:
-No warranty in Lebanon anyway
-Updated ROMs are uploaded by kind people here and there
Eclair~ said:
Nice list!
I think the thing that prevents people from rooting is voiding their warranty. I honestly believe that just stops them in their tracks (along with noobs thinking they lose OTA features). If it weren't for the loss in warranty, I believe people would root in a quick second..
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I agree with this, I hate the fact that it voids the warranty...*WHYYYY*
haha....
hopefully there will be a method soon where we can root without voiding the warranty
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...especially considering many of us have been fooling around with Android since the G1, and there are already numerous threads about rooting, or why to root, or the pros of rooting, or if rooting will void the warranty. Ugh. This forum is filling up with crap threads quick.
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palosjr said:
agreed... it kills me... i think users should have to get a G1 first... brick it, get a new one... learn from their mistakes, and then graduate to the Nexus One after figuring out the basics of Android... this forum is turning into the G1 junk-pile all over again
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So funny to see these guys who registered here not too long ago spout off this nonsense. Get over yourselves. The OP was only trying to help.
Another thing missing is, most of the custom roms having problems, either some have issues with the camera or bluetooth, or stability. I would hope that would be added to the list of why not to root.
When you encourage everyone to root , you obviously understand most of your viewers are going to be noobs, who will root and install the custom OS's and get upset why doesnt the thing work as it was suppose to, unlike you guys who change custom roms every other minute as a hobby most of us beginners(rooting) might not have the patience/time in hand to do so.
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So funny to see these guys who registered here not too long ago spout off this nonsense. Get over yourselves. The OP was only trying to help.
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Yup posters like that are the ones who are going to transform our community into an Apple-like environment. Elitist snobs who pounce on anyone who doesn't know what they do. Case in point, take palosjr. Reminds me of a typical Apple-fanboy douche bag with that kind of response.
Get off your freaking high horses, if you don't want to help then don't respond at all.
There might also be a few people holding out for Froyo to see what it offers.
+1 for adding that custom ROMs can be buggy or unfinished as a con... though the stock ROM isn't flawless either I guess.
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britoso said:
I rooted today and wanted to spread the word on the benefits of rooting. If you wait till you complete your one-year-warranty you will be missing out on the cutting-edge mods, tweaks & bugfixes that are releasing now. After a year there will be a better phone (N2?) available and development for the N1 will be slow/reduced.
Since I'm new to the rooted world please feel free to provide points I missed and I'll update this list (i.e. this is a work in progress). thanks.
Pros:
Complete access to your superphone. (essentially a linux box)
USB tether, WIFI tether. (I'm posting this right now via wifi tether )
Ability to run applications that require root. (N1 torch, Trackball color, startup disable, apps2sd)
Himem kernel. (400MB RAM compared to 212 MB stock)
Option to install apps on the SD card via A2SD (apps2sd)
Ability to theme your phone, change the kernel, Replace apps with modded versions, install bugfixes yourself
Possibility to include features (FM, higher res videos, divx etc) from the Desire/legend/other phones. These will probably NEVER be officially released for the N1.
Cons:
Voided Warranty (there are cases where you still get service though)
No official OTA updates. (you get them a few hours late, or months earlier )
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Nexus One is the first phone I've owned could not be flashed back to factory stock state after rooting. My HTC Magic could be flashed back to out-of-the-box state in 5 minutes. My Acer Liquid can be returned to 100% stock in 5 minutes. But the Nexus One? It's got that white padlock at the bottom of the screen indicating you're on your own. That does make one stop and think for moment.
But only a moment.
I waited a week before unlocking the bootloader. That was to give the phone time to fail if it was going to. My experience with hardware is that it either fails quickly....or not. In my case, not.
CM v5.0.6 is not to be missed.
linuxluver said:
Nexus One is the first phone I've owned could not be flashed back to factory stock state after rooting. My HTC Magic could be flashed back to out-of-the-box state in 5 minutes. My Acer Liquid can be returned to 100% stock in 5 minutes. But the Nexus One? It's got that white padlock at the bottom of the screen indicating you're on your own. That does make one stop and think for moment.
But only a moment.
I waited a week before unlocking the bootloader. That was to give the phone time to fail if it was going to. My experience with hardware is that it either fails quickly....or not. In my case, not.
CM v5.0.6 is not to be missed.
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Hah I did the same, only waited a week then I rooted. I got the Nexus One about two weeks ago and love it!
I think some other PROS would be better battery life and OC ability with kernels and ROMse. Using IntersecRaven's kernel I get about 15 extra hours and I am a moderate to heavy user after the 24/7 heavy usage when I got my phone initially.
Plus the car dock is awesome--personal PRO for me
Wow so much hate for someone who's trying to help the community. Chill out ppl.
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+1 for adding that custom ROMs can be buggy or unfinished as a con... though the stock ROM isn't flawless either I guess.
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Technically, rooting is completely separate from installing a custom ROM, so the buggyness of ROMs installed AFTER rooting (if you choose to do so) can't be counted as a con, since you can root and not install any custom ROM.
I know most people are gonna tell me I should root my phone, but just hear me out really quickly...
I just got my Samsung Vibrant and I truly love the phone. It's a huge upgrade from my G1 in pretty much every way I can think of. I had my G1 rooted since like the second week I had it. I started off with JesusFreke's ROMs and then made my way to Cyanogen's ROMs with a few others that I tried here and there. I tried a bunch of different themes and I used quite a few root apps. I know my way around the rooted Android scene (or at least the rooted G1 scene) pretty well, but I'm not entirely sure if I want to root my Vibrant and here's why:
I'm afraid of voiding my warranty.
There's not really anything that I want to do with the phone that it can't already do (for example, it has plenty of space for apps without the need for A2SD).
I don't want to risk losing things like my text messages over and over again from switching to different ROMs (this happened to me quite a bit with my G1).
My G1's battery and overall performance were much much worse than my friends' G1s which were not rooted. I don't want this happening with my Vibrant.
Some people will think that these reasons are either unimportant or nonexistent, but I disagree. Again, before people start saying "these are the risks of rooting, deal with it or leave," I want to stress that I'm not a newbie at this.
Anyway, the main reason that I DO want to root the phone, regardless of the fact that I told myself I wouldn't, is because of all this junkware that T-Mobile preinstalled the phone. I didn't know the phone came with this crap (like GoGo, TeleNav GPS, Slacker, etc.). We all know that you can't remove this stuff without rooting...I've counted 11 apps that I want to remove from the phone because they're effectively advertisements and I don't want them. So before I make a decision, I'd like to ask some questions...
Would you root the phone if you were ME?
Is it possible to root the Vibrant, remove the apps, and then unroot it, thus leaving the apps gone?
If not ^^, then is it possible to root the Vibrant and keep the stock ROM? I really don't want any custom ROMs...I just want to remove the junkware.
I'm sorry if similar questions have been asked before, but I feel like my specific needs and concerns probably aren't shared by most of the XDA community so I created my own post...
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Gerard
actually I think what most are going to say is search the forum... There are several threads on the topic.
You don't have to add any roms if you're rooted. Yes you can remove the bloatware with root. Yes its easy to take your phone out of root, but with the bloatware missing its not hard to see that you have had root at one point.
I actually did root my phone just to remove the junkware....and then used titanium backup to remove what I didn't want....it took me 3 mins to root compared to the 15 mins it took for my nexus....i say its worth it....you can't even tell its rooted so I'm pretty sure the warehouse will never catch it if a exchange is ever needed.....you ll personally make up ur mind as soon as u see the cyanogen 2.2 rom come out hopefully that will be soon....I SAY GO FOR IT
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I'm not bothering to root while I can still return the phone (1st 30 days) and not all the HW issues are know. Once a decent custom ROM is available I'll start looking into rooting, customer recovery, etc. The only thing I'm missing a bit from not being rooted is my Wifi tethering...
Thanks for the replies, guys (and/or girl(s) it looks like lol). I'm glad I wasn't destroyed by people telling me to search the forums...
I'll probably end up doing root sooner or later with very few modifications (if any). I'll wait it out a bit, though. My questions have been answered.
Thanks again!
Gerard
I know this topic must have been beaten to a bloody death, but as a former G1/Cyanogenmod user, I'm starting to debate whether or not I should root my G2. My G1 always gave me problems when I was running Cyanogenmod. This is likely due to the now low-end specs of the device, but I have grown wary of custom roms, regardless. I can't help but worry that my device may become unstable or slow like my G1, and that I might have difficulty restoring to factory state if I need to take advantage of my warranty.
One of the primary reasons I wanted a rooted device was to be able to effectively tether. Now that my G2 has this built in, there's one less point for rooting. I don't much ever plan of going out of the country, so I have no need for a SuperCID. I don't yet see any cool toys for G2 root users, like a USB host-enabled driver. Also, my main reason for rooting my G1, apps on the SD card, is now built-in, no partitioning required.
This isn't to say that I don't appreciate all the hard work that's gone in to making this option available. I just don't know how it can apply to me.
So tell me, why do you root, what do you geek out with using root, and what do you most often use your root for?
The simple answer is don't root then. I have rooted and flashed the hell out of every android device I've ever owned, until this one, and to be honest I wouldn't mind having just having root on this, which has now gone since the latest ota, but other than that, I have no intention of flashing anything on it as it seems to be just fine for my use. The root access I want for apps like shoot me and clock sync that I use regularly now. It would be nice to have a phone and just use it, rather than spending all my time setting it back up after each new Rom I've tried on a weekly basis. So, unless you need to, don't.
So cool posts here. I have to agree. I used to geek and tweak and check out ROMs on my TP2, too. I always ended up stock WM6.1(!) because that worked best. Now coming to Android and the DZ I am just shocked how badly this RULEZ. I don't feel like tweaking anything. I wouldn't fear losing warranty, I just don't wanna root yet. Well, I miss my front cam and the qwerty keys could be bigger )
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root/S-OFF is useful for me right now so that I can do a nandroid backup of my phone from time to time (via Recovery Manager/Clockwork). I am very happy with my stock ROM (HTC 1.34), which is a big change from my previous WinMo Touch Pro 2, where the stock ROM sucked big time.
If you don't feel like you need root, then don't do it, simple as that !
Still havent rooted and I seem to be happy with the stock rom of the Desire Z. Still waiting it out but I do miss some of the other apps that require rooting.
I eventually will root my device and get over the fear of bricking my unit. Are there any official updates happening?
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I eventually will root my device and get over the fear of bricking my unit. Are there any official updates happening?
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There is a 1.72 OTA update for the Desire Z which is being pushed out. I don't know exactly where you are in the world, but this has certainly been rolled out in Europe. However, be careful, because right now rooting that updated ROM is not possible, and unless you have full radio S-OFF via gfree beforehand, you can't downgrade either once you put it on.
The "RELEASE" versions of Cyanogen have been stable as hell. Running CM 6.1.1 now. So if that's the reason why you're not doing it, take my anecdote for what it's worth.
If you don't want to root or use any of the custom ROMs then don't do it. It's your decision, not ours.
One of my biggest reasons for rooting is SetCPU. Right now, I can get my phone to last about a day and a half with minimal to moderate use. Days of heavy use it'll last at least 12hrs.
I also like having access to the system files in case I feel like messing with them.
Besides, rooting doesn't mean you have to flash a custom ROM. You can have a rooted phone with a stock ROM.
I've an HTC Evo that's been rooted using unrevoked3 and flashed with Cyanogenmod 6.1.2. I'm planning on selling the phone but am curious what the general opinion is regarding doing so with a custom rom installed? Should I unroot and get back to factory default before selling or simply sell it as is?
i dont know...
but if I was John Doe... and wanted root, but was always scared to. I think it would be a Plus for a lot that it has ROOT and ROMed for better performance and battery life.
You should put in your ad...will put back to stock if you want.
put all the files for rooting, unrooting, ROMs, and mods that you have for the evo.. in to the sdcard...under 1 directory. do quick write up on how to instructions for all. links to the web instructions.
but if I was John Doe... and wanted root, but was always scared to. I think it would be a Plus for a lot that it has ROOT and ROMed for better performance and battery life.
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And I could also see people that are worried about it, and just want a stock phone in case they have problems and need to go back to the sprint store.
I would tell people in the ad, that the phone can either come rooted or stock, that way to appeal to both groups of people.
Maybe you should ask the buyer if he or she wants the phone rooted or not
Thank you all for your quick responses. I believe my question has been answered. I think the proper thing to do would be to unroot and reset to factory defaults for warranty purposes and provide the option of rooting should the buyer desire to receive the phone in a rooted state.
I say rooted phones have more value, some people dont wanna go through the process themselves, but like the person above me said, you should ask. You also might get some people asking whats root....which is weird and funny from our perspective, but theres normal people out there that want evo's dont forget
Give the buyer options, but since it is already rooted leave it that way until the buyer decides. why go through unrooting it until you know how the buyer wants it.
Unroot it is the best option, you might like CM but the buyer probably won't. I've seen so many posts of people having problems going back to stock and getting boot looped or stuck on boot screen. If you sell them a rooted phone then they won't be able to go back to Sprint for help and they will be screwed. Which means they will give you negative feedback or force a refund from paypal because you sold them a broken phone. Trust me, in the long run they want a stock phone and let them take the risk of rooting or you will have a lot of headaches.
Be honest with the customer. Sell what you have done to the phone as high points. I sold my old hero for $50 more than the going rate on CL because I created value in the eyes of the consumer through marketing. I also solicited my services should they have an issue software wise with the phone or if they ever had to take it into sprint for repair.
Indicate in the ad that the phone gets much better battery life because of customizations, cpu tweaks, etc as compared to stock. However do offer the option of bringing it to a fully stock state if the buyer chooses. The point about bringing it back to sprint is not withstanding. Anyone with half a clue realizes buying through such channels is on as is basis.
The words "as is" shoots into my mind
While I wait for the arrival of my MXP I have some questions for the community so that I can hit the ground running. First thing, I'd like to unlock my boot loader but I was just curious if there is a way to re-lock it afterwards just in case I need to send in for repairs or something along those lines? Also wondering about VOLTE support. I see some roms that state they have it working but is this a stock feature or do I need to use a custom ROM to get VOLTE to function? Also is there any known method of rooting without unlocking the boot loader just in case re-locking it is not possible? Thanks for the help everyone.
I am coming from a g920a. That phone is torture for someone like me who likes stock Android and rooted devices. Probably the worst phone I have ever had. Can't wait to get my hands on my MXP and leaves this piece of junk behind!
I'm on Verizon and I can confirm it supports advanced calling, which is VoLTE as far as I know but it might require turning it on at the provider level.
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I haven't messed with VoLTE yet so I can't answer those questions, but as for your others: The bootloader can be relocked, but the unlock method involves submitting an unlock request code to motorola, and they immediately email you an unlock key, along with a warning about voiding your warranty, so even relocking it does not unvoid your warranty. HOWEVER, it only voids your warranty for software issues. If it's a hardware problem unrelated to the bootloader being unlocked, they'll still handle it, and accidental drops and things are still covered if you buy an accidental damage warrenty. Also, as far as I know there is still no way to root without unlocking the bootloader.
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Volte is only available on stock roms.
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I thought this had been fixed on AICP based ROMS?
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I thought this had been fixed on AICP based ROMS?
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Whoops, yeah I guess they fixed it down the line. Sorry, I've been enjoying stock+xposed too much to follow custom development.
Edit: also root without bootloader unlock will likely never happen. We have a root method already, so there's no incentive to find another method.
The answer you seek was right in the first page of this forum....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-style/general/moto-x-style-how-to-unlock-bootloader-t3192140
That being said, I would consider waiting until after Marshmallow drops before you unlock your bootloader so as not to interfere with any OTA's. Conventional wisdom is that it is coming within the next few weeks as the "test drive" has already started and a "soak test" should follow shortly.
yeah i know it can be unlocked I already read that post. I would not have gotten this phone if the boot loader was not un-lockable. That's the whole reason I am moving away from my AT&T Galaxy s6. I was just trying to clarify if re-locking made any difference as far as the warranty is concerned. I appreciate the answers guys. Just trying to determine if I should keep it stock or use a custom ROM out of the box. Sounds like I will go stock for the time being. Now as far as unlocked boot loaders interfering with OTA's? Is this really a thing? And wouldn't somebody just post the OTA image on the forums when its ready anyway?
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yeah i know it can be unlocked I already read that post. I would not have gotten this phone if the boot loader was not un-lockable. That's the whole reason I am moving away from my AT&T Galaxy s6. I was just trying to clarify if re-locking made any difference as far as the warranty is concerned. I appreciate the answers guys. Just trying to determine if I should keep it stock or use a custom ROM out of the box. Sounds like I will go stock for the time being. Now as far as unlocked boot loaders interfering with OTA's? Is this really a thing? And wouldn't somebody just post the OTA image on the forums when its ready anyway?
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Well as to it being a thing, I certainly can't say for sure. But what reason is there to unlock the bootloader if you're not going to root? And once you do that, you almost certainly will not get OTA's. What am I missing? Is there another reason you are looking to unlock?
The one thing I don't know is if there a some type of a "tamper flag" that would require something like triangle away.
You don't think you could just do a fastboot oem lock?
Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again
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Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again
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I'd still recommend waiting at least a couple of weeks to see if Marshmallow shows up!
I'm coming to the MXPE from a OnePlus One which I have to say was one of the funnest phones I've ever owned. I wasiunlocked, rooted and flashing CM12.1 nightlies about twice a week.
I thought I would miss it, but so far so good on the MXPE without rooting. We'll have to see what happens after MM drops. I'd like to get it rooted, but I haven't done nearly the amount of modding you've done.
Good luck with your phone. I can honestly tell you it's a really nice device!
While its tempting to wait for marshmallow to show I cannot live without root any longer. I have already been without it for months because of this damn s6. I'm sure someone will upload the OTA as soon as it's available so I'll just flash it when the time comes.
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Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again
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Well if you're an xposed user you should root immediately with no concern about the 6.0 OTA, since xposed doesn't work on 6.0. I'm not moving to 6.0, myself, until xposed is released for it. I use xposed modules everyday and am not giving it up, not even for doze mode.
That's kinda how I am feeling as well. I can achieve similar results to doze with the xposed app amplify with enough tweaking so its not a big deal.