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Using a droid 2 in Canada?

Hey all,
My buddy managed to get his hands on a Droid 2 while at the MAX conference this week. Unfortunately for him, we are in Canada. If I were to root his phone could I just use the Telus radio frequencies that I use for my milestone on it?
Thanks!

I forget which Canuckian carriers are which, but if you have a Milestone, then Telus would be GSM and the Droid 2 won't work at all. You'd need to use one of the CDMA-based carriers to even have a chance.
Next is provisioning...all the programming for your carrier. I am not sure if the current level of unlocked-ness allows for other carriers' provisioning or not...someone with more knowledge in that arena would have to chime in, but I am leaning toward no, as I have not seen any discussion about converting a D2 to work on Sprint, etc.
And even if that works, the carrier will determine how easy it is to get going. They may activate out of network ESNs with no fuss, or more likely they will not allow it, in which case you have to go more illegal routes, that IIRC are not even allowed to be discussed on here.

FWIW, I used a Droid Incredible in BC (Vancouver, Victoria, Whistler) this summer. Worked fine, for the most part. However, I have a Verizon account and paid for their Canada roaming and international data packages. So I did not work directly with any Canadian carrier. But at the basic technical level, the phone CAN work in Canada.
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Thanks guys ^^ I'll let my buddy know his phone is really just a android touch in Canada.

Hey all,
Instead of making a new thread, I figured I'd should just pull this one back since it's the same question.
I've been seeing talk about a droid 2 global. Is there now a way to make a droid 2 from the states work in canada?
Thanks

[Q] Milestone 2 (GSM) on At&T - 3G Works?

So, I was about to buy this phone and use it on At&t in the US, but as I was looking at the ebay listings, I noticed that some of them stated that It does not work GSM with at&t.
I'm not very tech savy, but I find hard to believe that such an advanced phone would have this problem. Can anybody that tested it, shine some light on this for me please?
Thank you

It has the hardware to support it but it's the software that verizon has locked down to not work with any other carrier in the USA
In normal gsm phones you simply need an unlock code for the phone to work with any other carrier then the one it's meant to work with but in this case even after you give the phone the unique code it still won't work with att or Tmobile in the USA so we are looking to see how to disable the lock on USA bands on the phone but it seems not many people have made much progress

Thanks for trying to help, but that is not what i'm asking
I know it works, but everybody says it doesn't work on 3G, just on EDGE.
here's the response I got from an ebay retailer
"This version will work on the AT&T GSM network, however, will not work on the 3G network, only edge.
Best regards,
Communication Telecom International "

AT&T uses 850Mhz and 1900Mhz for the 3G frequency bands and it does support it in the hardware as I was saying, its just that nothing at this point will work not even EDGE because the USA lock overrides anything AT&T uses.

evilp8ntballer7 said:
AT&T uses 850Mhz and 1900Mhz for the 3G frequency bands and it does support it in the hardware as I was saying, its just that nothing at this point will work not even EDGE because the USA lock overrides anything AT&T uses.
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You are confusing the Droid 2 Global with the Milestone 2. Two different phones here.

the milestone2 should have the right hardware to connect to att 3g sorry for the confusion

The Droid 2 Global and Droid Pro also have the hardware to support US GSM bands but it has been disabled in the radio. This is not software, so to speak, but rather hardware configuration.
If you know where to look you can fix this problem.

droidbandunlock said:
The Droid 2 Global and Droid Pro also have the hardware to support US GSM bands but it has been disabled in the radio. This is not software, so to speak, but rather hardware configuration.
If you know where to look you can fix this problem.
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feel like sharing?

i think he is messing look at the username.

Don't hijack the thead!
OP asked about Milestone 2, not Droid 2 Globlal.
So - to address OP's question - yes - Milestone 2 currently on sale in most places is the EMEA model (Europe/Middle East/Asia), which has 900 and 2100 W-CDMA bands only.
Based on the official page from Motorola here, Milestone 2 A953 has a version with W-CDMA 850/1900/2100 MHz which are the bands used primarily in the Americas (850 and 1900) and Australia (850/2100). There was an article the phone is coming to Argentina before Christmas, so it may start showing up quite soon.
If you want US 3G support from Milestone 2, you have to wait for one of these to emerge. Sure enough it will not have any restrictions against US GSM/WCDMA operators (MCC 310) like the Droid 2 Global (currently) does.

I am not "messing". I cannot post external links of proof because I have too few posts.
I also do not wish to SPAM your forum out of respect for the rules.
Search for droidbandunlock on Twitter for more information.

thats sweet then I saw the video, I have a D2G and bought the phone for this purpose, where will the release be?

They inted to sell it as a servce. It definitely works...we were early testers and I have been trying to help them get the word out about it. These guys know what they are doing and what the value of this exploit is.

well sure but I'd like to know about it asap I've been stuck using this on wifi only :/
I'd pay about $10 for it

cellzealot said:
They inted to sell it as a servce. It definitely works...we were early testers and I have been trying to help them get the word out about it. These guys know what they are doing and what the value of this exploit is.
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Those bast*rds!!! How dare they know what the value is and not give it away for free!!!
I am just kidding
People sell unlock codes all the time for like 15 bucks so should be no problem for people that have to pay for this exploit...wonder if it is the same one I found

This may not be the best thread to continue this discussion. My apologies for the hijack.
I am most interested in seeing what you have found, but from what little reading I have done in your threads it appears you are working in the system only and not modifying the radio.
If that is the case, then our exploit has nothing in common with yours.
Do you have any evidence of it working with US GSM bands on AT&T or T-Mobile?
Perhaps we should start another thread, but we will not be revealing the precise nature of our method for obvious reasons.
Our method makes no changes to the system and leaves no trace of itself anywhere that can be accessed on the device itself beyond the ability to use the US GSM bands.

sorry to interruput but i think this is the only way to talk to you unlocker but about what will the price be and where can we find more info about release dates and downloads etc.? i found you on twitter and asked a few questions but there still isnt much info

I have to modify system because in my ROM (Fission) the packages that handle sim card functions do not work without some "blur" components so thus the need to modify my system
I have pics and a vid ready to go for when I was going to sell my service. I am not trying to nor am I going to compete with you guys or from TBH. P3Droid and Gweedo have been nothing but really friendly with me and to be honest; I would rather not deal with the headaches that come with selling a service on this forum and/or many others. I already went through and going through hell for the way I handle Fission ROM Manager and really don't want any more of that crap...I would rather continue dev work on the ROMs and some other apps I have been working on
I won't get into how my method works for the same reasons that are very clear too but if you want to discuss anything in private feel free to message me or hit me up on Gtalk.
Did you guys release your method yet? If not when do you plan on doing so? I would like to prepare Fission for users who will need to unlock or do use their SIM cards...
droidbandunlock said:
This may not be the best thread to continue this discussion. My apologies for the hijack.
I am most interested in seeing what you have found, but from what little reading I have done in your threads it appears you are working in the system only and not modifying the radio.
If that is the case, then our exploit has nothing in common with yours.
Do you have any evidence of it working with US GSM bands on AT&T or T-Mobile?
Perhaps we should start another thread, but we will not be revealing the precise nature of our method for obvious reasons.
Our method makes no changes to the system and leaves no trace of itself anywhere that can be accessed on the device itself beyond the ability to use the US GSM bands.
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Angdroid said:
I have to modify system because in my ROM (Fission) the packages that handle sim card functions do not work without some "blur" components so thus the need to modify my system
I have pics and a vid ready to go for when I was going to sell my service. I am not trying to nor am I going to compete with you guys or from TBH. P3Droid and Gweedo have been nothing but really friendly with me and to be honest; I would rather not deal with the headaches that come with selling a service on this forum and/or many others. I already went through and going through hell for the way I handle Fission ROM Manager and really don't want any more of that crap...I would rather continue dev work on the ROMs and some other apps I have been working on
I won't get into how my method works for the same reasons that are very clear too but if you want to discuss anything in private feel free to message me or hit me up on Gtalk.
Did you guys release your method yet? If not when do you plan on doing so? I would like to prepare Fission for users who will need to unlock or do use their SIM cards...
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Thanks Angdroid for ur hard work. Been following u for some time, hopefully u can release SIM package for D2G Fission soon.

Could anyone running Fission ROM try to switch to GSM mode from *#*#4636#*#* menu? I know you can switch to GSM from there on the original ROM without having to go to settings/wireless/networks/etc As it is standard Android tool, maybe that could be used to switch between the two radios until AngDroid figures out how to make it nice. Hope it works though.

so is there a way to run the eris on sprint?

So I've done a bunch of researching and I want the pros opinions.can I clone my evo info(msid amd the such) to my eris and have it run? itd be a great back up phone! As usual any help or knowledge is much appreciated!

I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
Oh, i could have sworn sprint was GSM, guess I should make sure of these things before I go posting them.

I don't want to sound rude but have knowledge of the subject before replying please. Sprint and verizon are cdma technologies. Att and tmobile are gsm. Hence the sim card....thankyou all the same dude....

[edit]: I saw your other post that answered my question (why would you want to when you could get an EVO or better?).
You probably can; though, it will probably require some serious effort on your part.

xdabens said:
I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
Oh, i could have sworn sprint was GSM, guess I should make sure of these things before I go posting them.
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sprint is cdma atleast i believe the hero is

xdabens said:
I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
where do u think some of our roms come from
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Smart a$$. Lol. Jk bro. Hey Tazz I wanted to know if you will be working on cyanogenmod 7 whenever it comes out?
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Cloning phones is illegal in most places.
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Stonent said:
Cloning phones is illegal in most places.
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Why is it illegal? I ask this because I personally have flashed roms from all these great devs and sometimes I get one that says Sprint even though I'm with Verizon.

xdabens said:
I believe Sprint is GSM and Verizon is CDMA so their networks aren't compatible so you wont be able to use the eris on Sprints network.
Oh, i could have sworn sprint was GSM, guess I should make sure of these things before I go posting them.
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No they are both CDMA!! You need to get your facts straight.

Stonent said:
Cloning phones is illegal in most places.
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The answer is, from beginning to end, changing carriers via changing ESN's is illegal in most places, and, as a result, has no real place on this forum.
I don't know if there's a section around that relates to changing ESN's for other purposes, but this kind of activity is not condoned, supported, or even allowed by posting rules to be posted here.
The Eris, technically, has all of the hardware and software necessary to run on Sprint, Cricket, and most other CDMA networks. Each network keeps close track of what Serial numbers it will allow to operate on their network. So to answer your question, yes it is possible, but no it is not legal, and the details of the procedure (which I have no idea) are not going to be easily found here, and this thread will probably be closed, bearing the introduction of such a discussion.

I'm surprised how many useless threads people start these days.

Its amazing to me that something like this would be illegal. Where has our freedom gone?

flashing to a different carrier isn't illegal. Only ESN changing is. Flashing to a different carrier is quite possible. However, its easiest when there are identical phones on two different carriers, that way you can just flash the firmware from one to another. Also, the provider has to be willing to accept it. Verizon for the most part will accept phones that aren't produced by them, same for MetroPCS and Cricket. Sprint, and Cellular South will not. I believe I covered the major CDMA carriers.
For those that are confused. Flashing to a different providers firmware on an identical phone does not change the ESN. It just provides the new providers network information and roaming list. Case in point. I used to own a Moto Q9C, I flashed it between Cricket, Verizon, and Alltel on a monthly basis, depending on where I was going and who had the best coverage plan. ESN was never changed. Since those providers openly allow outside devices.
I'm on my eris now, I would like to take it to cellular south and I know a tech that would activate it, however, I'm not smart enough to change all the correct settings to get it to operate on their towers (would be very simple if THEY sold an eris, I could just grab eris firmware from one of their devices.)

DarthMowzy said:
Its amazing to me that something like this would be illegal. Where has our freedom gone?
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We live in America. We are not free. We are slaves to the federal government and to the tax code. My $.02

viogrep said:
flashing to a different carrier isn't illegal. Only ESN changing is. Flashing to a different carrier is quite possible. However, its easiest when there are identical phones on two different carriers, that way you can just flash the firmware from one to another. Also, the provider has to be willing to accept it. Verizon for the most part will accept phones that aren't produced by them, same for MetroPCS and Cricket. Sprint, and Cellular South will not. I believe I covered the major CDMA carriers.
For those that are confused. Flashing to a different providers firmware on an identical phone does not change the ESN. It just provides the new providers network information and roaming list. Case in point. I used to own a Moto Q9C, I flashed it between Cricket, Verizon, and Alltel on a monthly basis, depending on where I was going and who had the best coverage plan. ESN was never changed. Since those providers openly allow outside devices.
I'm on my eris now, I would like to take it to cellular south and I know a tech that would activate it, however, I'm not smart enough to change all the correct settings to get it to operate on their towers (would be very simple if THEY sold an eris, I could just grab eris firmware from one of their devices.)
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Thanks, at least someone on this thread knows what they're talking about.
Changing ESNs is illegal because there's pretty much no reason to do it except to clone other people's phones (essentially stealing their accounts).

Changing ESNs would be like rewriting the magnetic strip on your credit card with someone elses.

Your problem is weather or not Sprint will let you register the ESN on their network. The phone is compatible. Verizon is keeping track of their ESNs. If a phone isn't one of their's they won't let it on thier network. I don't know about Sprit, but it's problable the same. So you are probably out of luck.
FYI, the diffence in a Rom displaying Verizon or Sprint it just in a text file. I has nothing to do with the running code. Many of the Eris 2.2 ROMs are a port from the Srint Hero. Someone just didn't update the file.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730289&highlight=cricket
This may help if you have not seen it, I flashed my eris to MetroPCS with this.

Thanks to viogrep for bringing some sanity to this thread.
If you want to explore a little, and you have the 1.49.2000 S-OFF bootloader on your phone, see
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9878143&postcount=8
You can have your bootloader dump your "mfg" partition to your SD card for inspection with a hex editor.
I'm no carrier-flashing expert, but I think that this "mfg" partition is pivotal in storing the carrier and PRL settings.
bftb0
PS The above mentioned thread also gives instructions for custom-booting Amon_RA so that you have privilege and access to any of the other "hidden" partitions on the phone.

[Q] Telstra Galaxy Tab

Hey guys
I have one of the Telstra Galaxy Tabs, and basically want to work a few things out with it.
First off I gather, with mention of all the carrier-specific or gsm/CDMA Specific ROMs, this has something to do with a radio or some such being included?
The Telstra "Next G" Network, which the Tab is used on, is basically 3g on 850mhz. Which of the types would this come under?
I have "Some" experience with flashing/ROMs/etc, namely on my Desire, so I am no expert by any means (Defo wanting to learn, and have learnt a lot from here so far ) but I do have a small amount of experience.
Thanks guys.

So, the community round here will answer questions for people that have obviously not bothered to search and ask the same stupid crap over and over and over, yet someone who has done a LOT of research, and is legitimately confused over a terminology issue (because technically it ISNT GSM or CDMA if you learn how the networks actually work) and just wants a simple answer to a simple question, just gets totally ignored?
Great to see guys, Great to see.

850 would be like att
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GSM radio hardware is largely irrelevant, the hardware does the heavy lifting, the firmware doesn't care that it is, as long as it supports the right protocols.
Telstra uses a GSM/HSDPA/WCDMA network. In most cases, this is the case if your device has a SIM card.
The Tab sold here is essentially the standard UK version. If Telstra has an 850/2100Mhz HSDPA version then that could potentially be different. If you can root it using SuperOneClick, then run a complete firmware backup and try updating with another GSM firmware (e.g. RotoHammers JME) and see how you go. Before doing so, check that the device is unlocked, check if it can be rooted, determine the existing firmware/modem versions and the CSC version. It may be a custom firmware, it may not.
Your "LOT of research" was obviously fairly deficient if it hadn't ruled out Telstra using a CDMA network. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra

corodius said:
Hey guys
I have one of the Telstra Galaxy Tabs, and basically want to work a few things out with it.
First off I gather, with mention of all the carrier-specific or gsm/CDMA Specific ROMs, this has something to do with a radio or some such being included?
The Telstra "Next G" Network, which the Tab is used on, is basically 3g on 850mhz. Which of the types would this come under?
I have "Some" experience with flashing/ROMs/etc, namely on my Desire, so I am no expert by any means (Defo wanting to learn, and have learnt a lot from here so far ) but I do have a small amount of experience.
Thanks guys.
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Hey mate, i have a telstra tab, on original firmware (jj3 i think) i would only ever get 3g..
After flashing rotos jme + the phone.bin, i now get hspa most the time.
Rotos firmware works perfectly, but as always backup everything

Posted by knightnz:
GSM radio hardware is largely irrelevant, the hardware does the heavy lifting, the firmware doesn't care that it is, as long as it supports the right protocols.
Telstra uses a GSM/HSDPA/WCDMA network. In most cases, this is the case if your device has a SIM card.
The Tab sold here is essentially the standard UK version. If Telstra has an 850/2100Mhz HSDPA version then that could potentially be different. If you can root it using SuperOneClick, then run a complete firmware backup and try updating with another GSM firmware (e.g. RotoHammers JME) and see how you go. Before doing so, check that the device is unlocked, check if it can be rooted, determine the existing firmware/modem versions and the CSC version. It may be a custom firmware, it may not.
Your "LOT of research" was obviously fairly deficient if it hadn't ruled out Telstra using a CDMA network. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra
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Well, The network you are referencing is actually the "Telstra 3g" Network used only in the capital cities around here. The network my Tab is used on/made for is the "Next G" Network. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_G is the specific network. As you can see, it is technically not GSM at all, it is UMTS, and actually replaced our old CDMA network. So, this is where my confusion was coming in. But, if I have this correct, it is used as a basic term, meaning GSM = Sim Card and CDMA = No Sim Card (like our old CDMA network, phone itself is coded to the number/network type thing, which to be honest I didn't realise still even existed) yeah?
Cheers for clearing that up
As for the freqs, if I do a *#2263# the 3 WCDMA bands that are starred are 850mhz 1900mhz and 2100mhz. The GSM Fallback shows GSM 850 GSM 900 DCS 1800 PCS 1900 all starred. (Yes I did realise this before, I explained why I was confused with the terms hehe) The main band I have to worry about really is 850mhz though, on the WCDMA side, as you would have seen from the link.
Well, the device can be rooted with Z4Root at least, that is what I have used to root the device. This is exactly what I intend to try, once I am sure I understand everything. Does not hurt to read and re-read until one is definately comfortable with the steps, and I like to understand what every part is that I am doing.
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Hey mate, i have a telstra tab, on original firmware (jj3 i think) i would only ever get 3g..
After flashing rotos jme + the phone.bin, i now get hspa most the time.
Rotos firmware works perfectly, but as always backup everything
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Just to be 100% sure, that is the one here? And you are on the Next G Network? (I assume so with the 850mhz band etc, I thought this would work, but doesn't hurt to be sure I am looking at the right one you are talking about hehe.)
I can confirm the original firmware is JJ3, with phone calling capabilities etc.
Of course, backups always come first, always.
Thank you heaps for the info.
Also, if there is any part of this device's firmware etc that would be helpful in any way to the devs, I would be happy to extract anything needed from a rotobackup or whatever. I won't be flashing it straight away, and definately not before a full backup anyway.
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HI mate, how did you go with the flash?
I'm thinking of doing this as well, but just want to see if anybody has noticed any difference (for the better that is).

I have n Australian telstra tab on the next g network, and flashing a rom was the best thing I ever did
swyped from a galaxy far far away...

Hey, not trying to hijack this thread, although I too just got a SGT for the wife from Optus this morning and playing around with it and keen to hack.
Mine came with the following
PDA : P1000XWJJ4
PHONE : P1000XXJID
CSC : P1000OPSJJ3
Build Time : 2010.10.16 20:35:06 KST
Changelist : 639474
Firmware 2.2
Kernel Version : 2.6.32.9
Keen to know what is the best rom for us here down under, i'm, off to root me SGT.
Cheers
Kosti

For the optus tab any euro rom will work i started with the modaco rom and kernal then moved to the overcome rom and kernal. Both ran prefectly just make a backup to be safe.
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snoopXR6 said:
For the optus tab any euro rom will work i started with the modaco rom and kernal then moved to the overcome rom and kernal. Both ran prefectly just make a backup to be safe.
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Thanks heaps!
I did try to root it, and used OneClick, when 1st time round it sort of worked, then I tried it again with the rageagainstcage option and busybox installed this time round.
Next is off to grab overcome rom, will try and do a backup but only have a 1G card atm
Again thanks and sorry to the OP for the hijack
PEACE
Kosti

M on AT&T/StraightTalk, GSM Frequencies, Verizon blocks?

I've heard that Verizon phones, though "global" are locked from the US GSM frequencies.
I'm considering getting a Razr M and using it on StraightTalk AT&T or T-Mobile prepaid.
It appears the frequencies should be fine. 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA + GSM.
Anyone have any thoughts on that?
I'll need to trim the SIM down to MicroSIM size, and get the phone unlocked, but besides that...?

rancur3p1c said:
I've heard that Verizon phones, though "global" are locked from the US GSM frequencies.
I'm considering getting a Razr M and using it on StraightTalk AT&T or T-Mobile prepaid.
It appears the frequencies should be fine. 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA + GSM.
Anyone have any thoughts on that?
I'll need to trim the SIM down to MicroSIM size, and get the phone unlocked, but besides that...?
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Just get the RAZR i.
-Sent from my Razr i on AT&T.-

phositadc said:
Just get the RAZR i.
-Sent from my Razr i on AT&T.-
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Well it's an atom processor not A15, lower graphics performance by far, less apps in the market and can't get it in White.

See my post on your question in the Q&A board, and posts 18 and 19 in this thread.

freak4dell said:
See my post on your question in the Q&A board, and posts 18 and 19 in this thread.
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Righto-,thanks. I read somewhere else (maybe it was you?) that the NV settings in the radio block MNC 230 (tmo) and 150 (at&t). There was a guy who had looked all through them and couldn't find where it was happening.
Is this MNC blocking something that would be remedied by buying the Austrailian version? I want an A15 CPU + GPU not the Atom one, simply because I like sticking it to Intel, and because I like the white phone not the black one.
Does the developer edition work with AT&T/T-mobile? Maybe I'll just buy that. This phone certainly is slick. I hope whatever fix we get will let us keep the stock ROM, always a bit more exciting (and stable it seems, usually) to me than CM(X)

rancur3p1c said:
Righto-,thanks. I read somewhere else (maybe it was you?) that the NV settings in the radio block MNC 230 (tmo) and 150 (at&t). There was a guy who had looked all through them and couldn't find where it was happening.
Is this MNC blocking something that would be remedied by buying the Austrailian version? I want an A15 CPU + GPU not the Atom one, simply because I like sticking it to Intel, and because I like the white phone not the black one.
Does the developer edition work with AT&T/T-mobile? Maybe I'll just buy that. This phone certainly is slick. I hope whatever fix we get will let us keep the stock ROM, always a bit more exciting (and stable it seems, usually) to me than CM(X)
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As far as I know, the Australian one will work just fine with AT&T or T-Mobile (no 3G on T-Mobile unless you're in a refarmed area, though). Worst case, it's locked to Australian bands, and you need to get an unlock code to make it work internationally. The reason the Verizon ones are locked for US bands is because Verizon doesn't want you buying their phone and then switching to their competition. Telstra obviously doesn't have the same problem, since they're not competing with AT&T or T-Mobile. Of course, what I'm saying isn't guaranteed to be true, since I don't have an Australian M myself (but I'm trying to decide whether to import that one or the RAZR i). I'm like 99% confident you wouldn't have any issues, though.
The developer edition does not work on AT&T or T-Mobile, either. We should be able to keep the stock ROM. That's how it worked on my Droid Pro and other Verizon Motorola world phones. We just flashed a file that modified the baseband. There was even a file to flash that would return the baseband to stock. ROM flashes didn't affect the baseband once it was modified.
What I'm wondering is if it may just be possible to take the Australian radio and flash it to the Verizon M to make it work on our GSM networks. That would pretty much disable the CDMA radios, but we wouldn't need them anyway. I think some of the previous phones have gotten around the band lock by flashing a Chinese radio, so it seems like the same concept could be used here. I'm nowhere near smart enough to know how to do any of this, though. All we can do at this point (well, me anyway) is just let Team Black Hat and other Motorola developers know that we are patiently waiting for a solution.

Looks like I wasn't far off with my hypothesis. If the community can provide the radio image, we should know pretty soon whether it would work on the M or not.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33850862&postcount=11

And it's been done:
https://twitter.com/P3Droid/status/266727420718108674
https://twitter.com/P3Droid/status/266732294000242689
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVmmx5Kh7pw&feature=youtu.be
This is on the Dev Edition.

freak4dell said:
And it's been done:
https://twitter.com/P3Droid/status/266727420718108674
https://twitter.com/P3Droid/status/266732294000242689
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVmmx5Kh7pw&feature=youtu.be
This is on the Dev Edition.
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It also works on the stock unrooted and unlocked Dev device so it should work fine on the stock locked bootloader devices.
Right now it appears to break eHRPD authentication when using a VZW LTE SIM with AU radio image. GSM service is fully functional with no modifications except the AU radio.

cellzealot said:
It also works on the stock unrooted and unlocked Dev device so it should work fine on the stock locked bootloader devices.
Right now it appears to break eHRPD authentication when using a VZW LTE SIM with AU radio image. GSM service is fully functional with no modifications except the AU radio.
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Well then...that pretty much settles it. I will be buying a Verizon RAZR M...Dev Edition if I can find one for a good price, or if not, a regular one. I hate that Verizon logo, but I'll save a couple hundred dollars by just dealing with it.

freak4dell said:
Well then...that pretty much settles it. I will be buying a Verizon RAZR M...Dev Edition if I can find one for a good price, or if not, a regular one. I hate that Verizon logo, but I'll save a couple hundred dollars by just dealing with it.
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I've been searching for a way to buy this awesome phone in a *truly unlocked* state (bootloader + carrier), and it seemed to be, before now, that my best option was to get the australian one (it also doesn't have the ugly verizon logo on the front But, it's very hard to get it from here in the US, so getting the verizon dev edition and reflash the radio may be better. I'm currently with T-mobile, yes I know about the refarm ... I'll deal with that.
So, does anybody have a link for said radio image? freak4dell, have you gotten yours and tried to flash the radio?
Thanks, you guys are awesome!
(noob alert: I am an experience desktop/embedded developer, but I have never messed with cellphones before, although it's been a while that I want to start...)

aslomagic said:
I've been searching for a way to buy this awesome phone in a *truly unlocked* state (bootloader + carrier), and it seemed to be, before now, that my best option was to get the australian one (it also doesn't have the ugly verizon logo on the front But, it's very hard to get it from here in the US, so getting the verizon dev edition and reflash the radio may be better. I'm currently with T-mobile, yes I know about the refarm ... I'll deal with that.
So, does anybody have a link for said radio image? freak4dell, have you gotten yours and tried to flash the radio?
Thanks, you guys are awesome!
(noob alert: I am an experience desktop/embedded developer, but I have never messed with cellphones before, although it's been a while that I want to start...)
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Nope, haven't gotten mine. I'm out of the country until mid-December, so I won't be able to get my hands on one until then anyway. I am keeping an eye out for deals, though, so that if I see a good price, I can buy it and have it waiting for me.

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Nope, haven't gotten mine. I'm out of the country until mid-December, so I won't be able to get my hands on one until then anyway. I am keeping an eye out for deals, though, so that if I see a good price, I can buy it and have it waiting for me.
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Let me know if you find a good deal (actually, any deal at all) for non-verizon razr m! I've also been looking on australian ebay, there are a few auctions for the telstra razr m, but they don't ship overseas...
But back to topic: are the image files in these two following posts any good to flash the radio, or do I need anything else, like a complete telstra fastboot image, or something like that (re-noob-alert: I'm a dev, but I've never messed with phones before):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33867978&postcount=30
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33871175&postcount=33
Also, these being "official" and probably signed radios (at least I hope they are), do I need to unlock the bootloader to flash them?
Note: I haven't gotten any phone yet, just gathering all the pieces together before dropping the cash
Thanks anyone!

aslomagic said:
Let me know if you find a good deal (actually, any deal at all) for non-verizon razr m! I've also been looking on australian ebay, there are a few auctions for the telstra razr m, but they don't ship overseas...
But back to topic: are the image files in these two following posts any good to flash the radio, or do I need anything else, like a complete telstra fastboot image, or something like that (re-noob-alert: I'm a dev, but I've never messed with phones before):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33867978&postcount=30
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33871175&postcount=33
Also, these being "official" and probably signed radios (at least I hope they are), do I need to unlock the bootloader to flash them?
Note: I haven't gotten any phone yet, just gathering all the pieces together before dropping the cash
Thanks anyone!
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I will let you know if I see anything, but if I find a one-time deal, I'm grabbing it for myself. I wish I knew someone in Australia that could ship to me.

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I will let you know if I see anything, but if I find a one-time deal, I'm grabbing it for myself. I wish I knew someone in Australia that could ship to me.
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No need, I just ordered my razr m developer edition from motorola.com We'll see how fast I can void my warranty
Speaking of which: do I need to unlock the bootloader (and void the warranty) to flash the radio? My understanding is that, since it's signed by the manufacturer, it should work without unlocking the bootloader. That way I can use the phone for a while and return it if it has any problems. Does anybody know?