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Question regarding ROOT

Will Unlocking + ROOTing my Nexus One prevent me from recieving future OTA updates from Google or no?

If you have a rooted G1 (reading your sig) wouldn't the answer be self explanatory?

Eclair~ said:
If you have a rooted G1 (reading your sig) wouldn't the answer be self explanatory?
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Did you even read my question?
What does my Sig have to do with my question?
I have a Nexus One and I don't want to miss future updates, such as "Adobe Flash" which is a proprietary app and I don't want to miss out.

If you install ROMs, I assumed you would know that you cannot receive OTA updates anymore. Which I'm sure you do. I don't know personally if rooting your phone, and still using the stock system will disable you from receiving OTA updates. So I'm not of use here. Don't know why I posted here myself lol. Thanks for the harshly toned text ._.

Eclair~ said:
If you install ROMs, I assumed you would know that you cannot receive OTA updates anymore. Which I'm sure you do. I don't know personally if rooting your phone, and still using the stock system will disable you from receiving OTA updates. So I'm not of use here. Don't know why I posted here myself lol. Thanks for the harshly toned text ._.
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kthanx. I think.

BookCase said:
Will Unlocking + ROOTing my Nexus One prevent me from recieving future OTA updates from Google or no?
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i'm also interested in this question. i would like to root my n1, but i would also like to receive OTA updates from google. i don't plan on installing a custom ROM, just use stock and root for the purpose of wifi tether and a few other root apps. anyone?

I am wondering this as well. I installed the bacon addon from cyanogen and don't want to screw myself out of the ota updates.
Thanks.

You can't have everything people. Pick one. If you need to revert back, I wrote a tutorial.
Chances are you are going to see the updates here first. You guys should know that already unless you are one of those people that come in here, download an update and leave for a few months and recheck to see if there are any other updates.

seraph1024 said:
You can't have everything people. Pick one. If you need to revert back, I wrote a tutorial.
Chances are you are going to see the updates here first. You guys should know that already unless you are one of those people that come in here, download an update and leave for a few months and recheck to see if there are any other updates.
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Sorry, I'm not referring to running a custom ROM. I just want to know if i unlock and ROOT but, keep the original ROM, will I still get the OTA updates or no? So, if anyone knows, I'd gratefully appreciate it.

As far as I understand, as long as you're using the stock, signed Nexus One ROM, nothing would change that would prevent you from receiving OTA updates.
I'm not positive.

The reason custom ROMs do not get OTA updates is because they have the files for them removed, and in the case of the G1, the partition used for doing those is removed if you have the DangerSPL.
Simply rooting and keeping stock should allow you to OTA update still no problem, but like was already pointed out, the updates will be on here befor they are released OTA, and a good cooked ROM is 10times better than the stock.

pjcforpres said:
The reason custom ROMs do not get OTA updates is because they have the files for them removed, and in the case of the G1, the partition used for doing those is removed if you have the DangerSPL.
Simply rooting and keeping stock should allow you to OTA update still no problem, but like was already pointed out, the updates will be on here befor they are released OTA, and a good cooked ROM is 10times better than the stock.
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Thank you.

flomid said:
i'm also interested in this question. i would like to root my n1, but i would also like to receive OTA updates from google. i don't plan on installing a custom ROM, just use stock and root for the purpose of wifi tether and a few other root apps. anyone?
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If you do root and want your wifi to work you have to flash a rom i think, i rooted and didnt plan on flashing a rom but had to to get the wifi working.

did u root with superboot over a modaco, as i had no probs with wifi, after i rooted.

BookCase said:
Will Unlocking + ROOTing my Nexus One prevent me from recieving future OTA updates from Google or no?
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Why does this matter??????????????
If you rooted, you'd get the OTA updates faster than OTA people!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a 100% stock, un-rooted N1. I didn't get the OTA update within the first day, so I did it manually anyway.
What is the point of fearing that you'll miss out on OTA updates??? With root, that should be your *LAST* concern.
BTW guaranteed you will get Flash sooner with a rooted phone than without!
These threads make no sense whatsoever.

To un-root or not to un-root

I am new to the forum, so please be gentle...
I recently rooted my HTC Hero (Sprint) and was wondering if I will be required to unroot when it comes time (whenever it will be) to upgrade to the official 2.1 release. I guess my question really is, will the release automatically undo the exploit that gives me root permissions, or will I have to do it before the upgrade will install?

Why not wait for roms from the 2.1 update..so u dont have to unroot.
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subrm1 said:
I am new to the forum, so please be gentle...
I recently rooted my HTC Hero (Sprint) and was wondering if I will be required to unroot when it comes time (whenever it will be) to upgrade to the official 2.1 release. I guess my question really is, will the release automatically undo the exploit that gives me root permissions, or will I have to do it before the upgrade will install?
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The official release is going to unroot your phone and it will not matter whether you are rooted or not.
Also, if you decide to run the official RUU you may not be able to gain root access again. Most likely a method will be found, but there are no guarantees.
Another alternative is to wait a day after the official release and run one of the custom ROMs here that will utilize the official version, but maintain your ability to keep root.

Also, the process is not automagic. The update will have to be downloaded on your PC or you will have to go to a Sprint Store/Bestbuy to have them do the update for you.
Don't worry about the message you get saying an update is available. It's won't install it self.
But +1 for waiting 24 hours for a dev rom.

danknee said:
Another alternative is to wait a day after the official release and run one of the custom ROMs here that will utilize the official version, but maintain your ability to keep root.
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Um don't u mean probably within two or three hours after official update is out. U know the rom devs will not wait a whole day. Lol

Forgive my ignorance...I used asroot2 to root my Hero vice flashing the ROM, will this make a difference? I have not actually loaded a ROM yet. I downloaded ROM Manager and intend to use it, is it worth while or is there a better way out there?

subrm1 said:
Forgive my ignorance...I used asroot2 to root my Hero vice flashing the ROM, will this make a difference? I have not actually loaded a ROM yet. I downloaded ROM Manager and intend to use it, is it worth while or is there a better way out there?
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Rom Manager only works if you have flashed ClockWork recovery.
Most our devs just do AmonRa updates.
asroot2 is what we all used (for sprint users at least...)(or some variation in the implementation of it)
Pretty much asroot2 allows root access until you flash a rom that has su installed in to the /bin directory. After you have flashed a rom, asroot2 is useless and actually probably removed, never really paid attention.
No appoligies needed for your questions as they have merrit. But searching the forum for "unroot for 2.1 update" would yeild most of these answers.

So I've got the recovery image...which ROM would be recommended to just experiment with? This will be the first time I've done this.

Look for cb.cp-v69 it is the fastest, most stablest Rom everest. Est. ;p

subrm1 said:
So I've got the recovery image...which ROM would be recommended to just experiment with? This will be the first time I've done this.
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Each of the ROMs will have their own distinct look and their own advantages. I would take a day or so to lurk around the Hero CDMA Android Development
forum and read through some of the [ROM] threads and read the changelogs, and what the forum members have to say about it. You will benefit from using any of the given ROMs, but you may find that you like a certain look, or feature that only one of them provides. I'm a flipzmode fan myself, so I run a few variations of fresh ROMs and ROMs based of of flipzmode's work. All of the ROMs that I have tried from each of the ROM devs have been awesome.

today's OTA update from Sprint - Q&A time!

to hopefully decrease the number of posts from members in the coming days about the new OTA that Sprint/HTC released today (but will not officially "push" to devices until January 24,) I would like to point out some things to new members as well as veterans, as we see this happen every time a new OTA is pushed.
latests news/updates in bold.
flashing lights reminder: IF YOU ARE ROOTED, DO NOT UNROOT TO GET THIS OTA UPDATE FROM SPRINT. YOU WILL LOSE THE ABILITY TO RE ROOT AS REVOLUTIONARY DOES NOT WORK YET WITH THE NEW HBOOT 2.18
1. Number one rule, and i will cap this DO NOT ACCEPT A OTA UPDATE IF YOU ARE ROOTED. it has been said many many times here, and members with rooted phones do it anyways. why risk it???? we all saw the gingerbread debacle last year.
2. New HBoot. it seems the new ota update has a new h-boot, 2.18, and from what it seems and this may remain to be seen 100% it is not unlockable with revolutionary. i can not confirm this personally. EDIT: seems the new 2.18 hboot is preparing the evo4g to be added to the unlock bootloader list at htcdev. we await word on when this might be official from htc. UPDATE: seems Captain_Throwback has a way to get your hboot down to 2.10 to use unrevoked. the process is long but it does work, as I have tested it myself.
http://themikmik.com/showthread.php...18-HBOOT-with-HTCDev-com-No-More-Watermark!-"
4. Why the update? The big part of this update was to remove CIQ from the evo's. yay. There were small improvements to Peep (the htc twitter client) and other various fixes. report of battery life being worse than 4.54 have been reported.
5. So when will my favorite rom be updated to the OTA base? well, we already have a stock rom based on the ota (actually 2!) , it is located here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455340
so this is a start. your favorite rom will be updated by it's developer when the dev has time, last update we had (4.54) we saw a rapid update of roms.
6. Great, so has sense changed at all? No we are still at sense 1.0 sigh.
7. so how about the new kernel? it is now based on htc 2.6.35.10 dated december 21, 20011. Captain_Throwback has extracted the kernel standalone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21654186&postcount=3214
7a. What "hacks" work with the the new stock rom you posted? look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459982
8. i have a question!! well use the search function and see if it has been answered, look here, the Q&A threads, or the dev threads. I hope this will clear down some of the clutter that comes up during this wonderful thing called an OTA update.

I'm far from a sense person, and more seasoned veteran, but good post, and has some good info that people should read. I'd like to believe it'd cut down on threads, but you can't say you didn't try.

teh roxxorz said:
I'm far from a sense person, and more seasoned veteran, but good post, and has some good info that people should read. I'd like to believe it'd cut down on threads, but you can't say you didn't try. :_
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i just want the new members to realize 2/3 their questions can be answered by reading for ten minutes, and may save them major headaches, but your right. we shall get some doozies. lol

brad560 said:
i just want the new members to realize 2/3 their questions can be answered by reading for ten minutes, and may save them major headaches, but your right. we shall get some doozies. lol
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They need to set up like a new user pen where they can only post there for the like 2 days and learn those things. Also, glad you're rom is doing well, know you had a semi uphill battle at the start.
Also, I can't WAIT to see all the 'I just updated, and now I wana root" threads.

interesting
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Awesome post bro.. thank you.

^ great info, thanks brad, no doubt this will help some!
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Thanks Brad I flashed your rom. I'm waiting along with everyone else for the new Radios. I cant wait.

teh roxxorz said:
They need to set up like a new user pen where they can only post there for the like 2 days and learn those things. Also, glad you're rom is doing well, know you had a semi uphill battle at the start.
Also, I can't WAIT to see all the 'I just updated, and now I wana root" threads.
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OMG! I just had nightmare flashbacks of "Root the *****!"

Thanks Brad for the update,its good to know whats going on with our EVO.Looks like sprint has a hardon for stopping developement,but as smart as you guys are,you'll get the HBoot unlocked before long.

HipKat said:
OMG! I just had nightmare flashbacks of "Root the *****!"
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That was a nightmare that needs to just stay a memory. D:

will try to update this with relevant info as it comes along.

Great thread and maybe some of the noobs will read it before thinking the ota update is the next greatest thing.
It will be once the devs get ahold of it and move along updating their great roms.
Thank Brad for the new info,
Long live the Evo 4g.

Seems your rom file host is struggling this morning. I can not dl either version of your ROM, Brad.

Has it been confirmed that it cannot get S-Off with Revolutionary and SuperTool?
Oh how I hope it can be unlocked... If it cannot, then a deluge of root threads will open and I might be driven to insanity.
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tropicalbrit said:
Has it been confirmed that it cannot be rooted with Revolutionary and SuperTool?
Oh how I hope it can be rooted... If it cannot be rooted, then a deluge of threads will open and I might be driven to insanity.
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Cannot since revolutionary doesn't support the hboot with the new ota
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I feel I must chime in here and make some further clarifications.
Tools like unrevoked and Revolutionary do NOT give you root. This is a very common misconception. What these tools DO give you is NAND access (S-OFF).
In order to obtain root, a custom recovery is required to flash a rooted ROM. In order to flash a custom recovery, you must have NAND access (S-OFF).
If your phone has S-OFF, you can run rooted and non-rooted ROMS just the same. It all depends on what ROM you flash. What gives a ROM root access is having superuser permissions. This is achieved with ChainDD's Superuser app which grants a ROM with SU permissions. If a ROM has the Superuser app cooked in, it has root access.
So it goes a little something like this:
unrevoked/revolutionary --> S-OFF
S-OFF --> allows flashing custom recovery
custom recovery --> allows flashing custom ROMs
custom ROMs with SU permissions cooked in --> gives you root
S-OFF and Root are only indirectly related.
If you have S-OFF, you will ALWAYS have the ability to flash ROMs, even the latest newest releases.
Here's a further example, my own personal experience:
I obtained S-OFF over a year ago using unrevoked3, which permanently granted S-OFF. Since then I have applied every radio, hboot, etc as they have been released. Never lost S-OFF.
Now regarding this latest OTA release, #12 (4.67.651.3), here is what I did. I flashed a stock unrooted/unmodified 4.54 rom. I then went into settings->system updates and checked for the new ota. I downloaded the OTA, and APPLIED the OTA. Applying the update flashed the new hboot, the stock recovery, and the new radios, as well as the new stock 4.67.651.3 ROM.
After it fully completed it's process I reflashed the custom recovery. From there I am free to flash any ROM I wish. What I did was took the new rom into the developer kitchen and rooted it. Then flashed it. Viola, I am on rooted 4.67.651.3 with full access. In actuality I'm running my barebones build currently, linked in my sig.
Once you run unrevoked or revolutionary you should never have to again. They give you permanent S-OFF. You'll always have the ability to flash a custom recovery, even if you accept an OTA update, and flash ANY custom ROM.
I hope this post helps people better understand the whole root and NAND security process.

bman3333 said:
Seems your rom file host is struggling this morning. I can not dl either version of your ROM, Brad.
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strange, no problems here, i use dev-host for now, seems it is easier to download there for people in work, etc.

thanks misery for your post. newbies would get confused by all of that, but i still will say to the day i die, lol. do not accept a OTA from sprint if you are rooted. things could go wrong..

brad560 said:
thanks misery for your post. newbies would get confused by all of that, but i still will say to the day i die, lol. do not accept a OTA from sprint if you are rooted. things could go wrong..
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Accepting an OTA does indeed cause you to lose root acces. No arguement there. But it's a simple matter of reflashing a custom recovery and flashing a rooted ROM through recovery and bam back to being rooted.

[Q] Root for US OTA 2.0

So I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there is no solution to root a TP that's already applied the 2.0 update?
I've tried the root methods already obtainable on here and they don't work. I'm guessing (more hoping) that someone is working on finding a solution.
Makes me sad. A co-worker updated it for me because "it said it needed to update it so I did it for you"... *sigh*

OTA2 removed the exploit unless you were already rooted and used Voodoo Rootkeeper to maintain root during the update. I haven't heard the outcome with regards to 2.5. I don't want to risk root so won't be updating unless it's safe.

2.5 is out ? which your version of tablet ?

16gb us. Was delivered last week.
Yeah, I didn't have it rooted before so yeah.

Either people like us find a way to downgrade or wait until a new exploit is found. The former seems easier but my knowledge of these things isn't very high...

Yeah, I'm not sure how to either. I'm good at following directions but when a "friend" upgrades your device for you...
As for downgrading, I don't think that'll be an option until someone finds a Lenovo rom flash utility.

byersbw said:
16gb us. Was delivered last week.
Yeah, I didn't have it rooted before so yeah.
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2. 5 was not available to US last week. How did you get it? Supposedly it's still going through certification. 0086_US is 2.0. What version are you?

Oh hell.... I've been reading too many posts on the Lenovo forums. My apologies, I am running OTA 2.0 NOT 2.5. I will correct my first post and title.
I'm running ThinkPadTablet_A310_02_0039_0086_US.

Okay. Thanks. No worries, but was scratching my head, looking puzzled.

Haha! I can understand. I have that look a lot sadly. I appreciate you telling me as I had no clue as to what exactly I was saying.
Now, if anyone knows someone on the inside at Lenovo that could get the flash utility...

LOL If only.

And now we wait. Did NOT expect CM9 to come out so fast and be working so didn't care much for root otherwise. Oh well, that was my fault and I knew I'd lose root for the time being. Now I wait patiently, since the primary work of the developers now is making CM9 to work properly so w/e.

Why isn't there a way to downgrade the rom to 075? The tab has a recovery boot. If it could be downgraded, it could then be rooted , then updated.

No way to downgrade, unless you know something the rest of us are unaware of. There's a bunch of folks that either can't root at all, or took OTA2 before getting root/without preserving root. We've been told that there's nothing to be done for the time being.

I don't know how to do it, but I know that's how other tabs got around the problem. I only say it in case someone does.

AFAIK, the problem is the recovery's signature check.. if it recognizes that the update.zip to flash is older than the build actually installed, it won't install the new ROM.

Thanks. Noob enough that I couldn't explain it, just knew it doesn't work.

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AFAIK, the problem is the recovery's signature check.. if it recognizes that the update.zip to flash is older than the build actually installed, it won't install the new ROM.
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I wonder what it takes to defeat the check? There must be an update script that performs that check. Editing elements of the update script has been the key to other "can't be done" situations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22918839[WIP][4.0.3]ICS CM9 ThinkPad Tablet PORT
I'm going to keep putting forth suggestions instead of claiming something can't be done. Afterall, the point of this entire forum is to work togther to overcome obstacles.

While I don't know a lot about these things, if it could be done, it would have been. This forum is overflowing with posts from owners of all kinds devices asking how to downgrade their respective device so they can take root. It's not an uncommon request, and one that I have researched for another device, only to find the same answer. Hey if you find out how to do it, you'll make a fortune.

Two other tablets, the Flyer and the View downgrade to gingerbread, then unlock bootloader, then root, then update to honeycomb, then custom roms are applied. They got the idea from another tab, the Iconia, who got it from the Transformer . . .
I'm just trying to push good and bad ideas to someone with the skills. It's about not taking 'no' as an answer.
Here's the thread for Flyer/View:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21028879[Procedure]No HTC unlock downgrade HC-GB for official OTA

New HTC Advantage replacement arrives tomorrow.

My new HTC M8 replacement will be here tomorrow. I've been without for about 4 days. It's a cracked screen replacement. I plan to pull a completely stock image outside of being dev-unlocked and the TWRP recovery. It's going to be a real stock ROM. No extra anything, not even rooted. It's gonna be the very first thing I do after I dev unlock and flash TWRP recovery. I'm going to back up boot and system. I plan to post both the nandroid files and a zip file that I make from that same nandroid for those need options.

I'm sure both are already available, and don't use HTCDev to unlock it. Use TowelRoot and Sunshine to get S-OFF and go from there

EddyOS said:
I'm sure both are already available, and don't use HTCDev to unlock it. Use TowelRoot and Sunshine to get S-OFF and go from there
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I've used all of the "Stock" ROM's that are posted, here and a couple of other sites along with a few of the nandroid backups. None of them are anything close to stock. I found all sorts of modified crap in every one of them. I had to really dig to fix them so that they would take an OTA. Flashing a stock recovery isn't enough, for any of the ones I tried. I could list numerous problems with various "Stock" ROM's, but I'm not trying to blaze anyone, or criticize their contributions and work. The truth of the matter is, If one advertises something as being Stock, when in fact it has some pretty heavy modifications done to it, then I can only assume that bad intentions were the primary motivation for offering a bogus stock ROM.

EddyOS said:
I'm sure both are already available, and don't use HTCDev to unlock it. Use TowelRoot and Sunshine to get S-OFF and go from there
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What are the advantages to using those other two methods, over HTCDEV? Can you elaborate on your suggestion please?

Sleepycloud said:
What are the advantages to using those other two methods, over HTCDEV? Can you elaborate on your suggestion please?
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For 1 you won't be registered at HTC for unlocking the bootloader, so with warranty you might be one step ahead at HTC

Sleepycloud said:
I've used all of the "Stock" ROM's that are posted, here and a couple of other sites along with a few of the nandroid backups. None of them are anything close to stock. I found all sorts of modified crap in every one of them. I had to really dig to fix them so that they would take an OTA. Flashing a stock recovery isn't enough, for any of the ones I tried. I could list numerous problems with various "Stock" ROM's, but I'm not trying to blaze anyone, or criticize their contributions and work. The truth of the matter is, If one advertises something as being Stock, when in fact it has some pretty heavy modifications done to it, then I can only assume that bad intentions were the primary motivation for offering a bogus stock ROM.
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Which ROMs are you referring to, that claim to be stock? There are very few that say stock; in fact only 2 that say "stock" in the title. One is a system dump, and not even rooted. The other says its unmodified aside from root and busybox. Are you saying one of these is not true?
I can only speak of XDA, not "other" websites. IMO, there aren't many other websites worth getting ROMs from.

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Which ROMs are you referring to, that claim to be stock? There are very few that say stock; in fact only 2 that say "stock" in the title. One is a system dump, and not even rooted. The other says its unmodified aside from root and busybox. Are you saying one of these is not true?
I can only speak of XDA, not "other" websites. IMO, there aren't many other websites worth getting ROMs from.
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I'm not wanting to get into that subject. Over the past three months, I've flashed just about every ROM available for the sprint M8. SOME of the Stock ROM's and nandroids listed here and elsewhere are far from Stock. Anyone with a curiosity and some time can find the things I found. It took me a month of cross referencing and peeling apart everything three times before I was able to compile a bug free "Stock" ROM of my own that works flawlessly and will take OTA's. I bet I flashed more than a two thousand times in the past 90 days. Man, I just want to learn more and not offend or piss anyone off. I'm not gonna mention any names or particular ROM's. I hope you understand.

Wait does HTC give you a new phone to keep with the advantage replacement program? I thought it was just a temporary phone to use while the original phone is getting fixed.
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Sleepycloud said:
Man, I just want to learn more and not offend or piss anyone off. I'm not gonna mention any names or particular ROM's. I hope you understand.
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I'm sure most of the folks that have posted in Development here would welcome any constructive criticism.
If ROMs or nandroids are posted as "stock" when they are not, it should be known.
Can't speak for "other" websites. There are lots of other websites that are not as reputable or reliable as XDA.