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Greetings all, I was wondering if anyone else has noticed that their battery doesn't charge to full when using the wall charger or USB? I have LiPo chargers from RC cars and I have used one to discharge and fully charge the battery to 1400mah and found that the phone seems to have much better battery life than when charged with wall charger / USB.
When charged with the external ("direct") battery charger, I can get to 4211mv whereas normally with the wall/usb it only goes to 4173mv max. From what I know of LiPo/LiIon batteries, they need to get to their max charge voltage (~4200mv) or so and stay there for some time to get full charge.
I have noticed that my phone has terrible battery life when compared to my Touch HD which used to get 20hrs+ of full use on 3G/HSDPA, same usage pattern with push e-mail and I can't even get 12hrs with the Nexus One before the battery runs right down. And I thought the Touch HD had bad battery life!
Any help / feedback would be most appreciated. Thanks!
It's interesting I see this as today has been a very odd battery day. I woke up and unplugged it at exactly 5am. For 7 minutes I checked e-mails and twitter and it had dropped 3%!!! By 8am I was down to 82% (ride in to work, listening to music for 25 mins, thats about all) I was thinking this was getting silly. It's now 5pm here and I'm still at 61%?!?! So, over the first 3 hours it went 6%ph, since then it's done 2.3%... that's the best I've ever got from it.
Could this be related? It's not really fully charged, even though it shows 100%, drops very quickly and then when it returns to where it perhaps should be (around 80%) it acts as normal?
What is a LiPo charger and how can I use one to charge my Nexus battery?
http://blog.quantifly.com/?p=2
iMAX B6 is what I have been using. I have another heavier duty one but this one is good enough for the battery. I have a generic battery charger thing which I got from China which holds the battery while the other unit charges it. Right now as I write this, my phone has been on for 1hr 25minutes after being charged with the charger, I have used the browser for 10minutes, on 3G, downloading things etc. and it is still on 4211mv and 100% charge.
Curious if this is an issue with the onboard battery microchip, or the radio/firmware. Does anyone know where to source an original replacement battery (non-generic replacement)?
The batteries in these smart phones makes no sense. The other day, I charged the phone overnight using USB, and the next day, I was at 97% after 3.5 hrs. Then, another day, with basically the same usage, I'm down to 85% after 3.5 hrs. No rhyme or reason. I wish someone could explain it.
I also wish someone could make a battery that lasts for 48 hours on normal use
"Drops very quicky"
same here but ive had this 'problems' since stock firmware. its not CM related.
I also noticed that its dropping from 100 to 80ish very fast when starting many apps in the morning for example. Like stopping airplane mode, starting some apps and opening browser. stays at 80ish for some hours then
xPatriicK said:
"Drops very quicky"
same here but ive had this 'problems' since stock firmware. its not CM related.
I also noticed that its dropping from 100 to 80ish very fast when starting many apps in the morning for example. Like stopping airplane mode, starting some apps and opening browser. stays at 80ish for some hours then
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Yep. That was the same thing with my Pre. It would never stay at 100% for more than a few minutes, and then it would plummet into the 80's, and then it would be okay.
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I purposely left the phone not to charge last night from about 1AM - and I woke up (around 9:30AM) with it at 99% charge still. Used it for a bit and it dropped to 89% and now it's 1:06PM and it dropped to 75% with calls, web browsing and some other stuff. Previous days to this it would be at 75% after just 2-3 hours!
I also noticed that the phone didn't download any e-mails overnight (since there's no "scheduling" for peak/offpeak like in WM I assumed this shouldn't happen?) which may account for the minimal discharge.
All in all very strange, seems like I am not the only one with these problems - maybe I'll try get another battery and see what happens!
The thing about the battery in a smart phone is that it has a micro chip in it, and the phone reads info from it to give us the battery meter(this is true of any phone, actually)... your LiPo charger reads charge in a similar manner, only it doesn't talk with the batteries chip, instead it does it's own thing(I will spare the details)
With this in mind, what you want to do to get the most out of your battery is get the chip in the battery, and in turn the "circuit" it completes with the phone properly calibrated. To do this, you want to run the phone's battery down until it turns itself off. Do a battery pull and let it sit for a little bit (at least 30 seconds, I usually wait several minutes)... then, put the battery back in, and turn the phone on. One of two things will happen, it will either power off before fully booting, or if it does not you will want to use the phone until it powers off again.
At this point, pull the battery again and let it sit out of the phone for a bit again. Then put it back in, and without trying to power the phone on, put it on the charger and leave it on the charger until it is fully charged "green light comes on" plus a couple hours.(best to leave it on the charger overnight) At this point, take it off the charger, and then turn the phone.
This will properly set the low point and the high point for the battery stats. Do not do this a lot, it is bad for a LiIon battery to be "deep cycled", which this comes really close to doing. Ultimately, the phone is not going to charge the battery as high as a LiPo charger will, nor will it discharge it as low, because unlike an RC car's batteries that are used for rapid discharge, these batteries are designed and used in a slow long term discharge.
Thanks, I'll try that myself
Do you run any risk of damaging the battery when charging with a LiPo?
How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
Very Important:
Anyone purchase a new phone. Its best DO NOT USE the phone with the little remaining power the battery has. It is best that you put the battery in the phone and turn off the phone and change for minimum of 5-6 hours.
The 1st charge for the battery is very important for lithium ion battery. Leaving the phone off will give the full maximize charge the battery can take. Normal when phone shows charge complete by integrator light or on the screen means its 95% complete. To complete the 100% charge you need additional 1-2 hours after the full charge integrator show. Having the phone off also help keep the charge. A phone that is on and charging will never get that 100% charge because there is alway a little battery being drained just because the phone is one even if its plugged in to a charger.
If you see your battery is not giving the same performance what it use to. You can try this method at least 3-4 times for 1 week and follow up every other month. Meaning turn the phone off and charge it every night. It is best if you can drain the battery to 15% or less before charging the phone.
nuc70st said:
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
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10. Keep the phone off, it'll not drain the battery at all!
So one person says don't let it drop down low very often, the next person says let it drop to 15% all the time...
Personally I've heard not to let it drop low more often these days. The old 'let it decharge regularly' was talked about a lot 4 or 5 years ago... no?
nuc70st said:
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
Very Important:
Anyone purchase a new phone. Its best DO NOT USE the phone with the little remaining power the battery has. It is best that you put the battery in the phone and turn off the phone and change for minimum of 5-6 hours.
The 1st charge for the battery is very important for lithium ion battery. Leaving the phone off will give the full maximize charge the battery can take. Normal when phone shows charge complete by integrator light or on the screen means its 95% complete. To complete the 100% charge you need additional 1-2 hours after the full charge integrator show. Having the phone off also help keep the charge. A phone that is on and charging will never get that 100% charge because there is alway a little battery being drained just because the phone is one even if its plugged in to a charger.
If you see your battery is not giving the same performance what it use to. You can try this method at least 3-4 times for 1 week and follow up every other month. Meaning turn the phone off and charge it every night. It is best if you can drain the battery to 15% or less before charging the phone.
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I think you didn't understand a LI-ION battery!!!
1. completely false
2. I've a mobilephone also I wan't to use it!!!
3. Maybe... Have you tested it with a ampere meter?
4. A black display is always a good idea!
5. Why not buying a Nokia 3210 ?
6. Better: Don't use it for call.
7. Correct! (If you don't use a headset)
8. See Pt. 5
9. See Pt. 5
A few facts:
- a new lithium-ion pack does not need cycling through charging and discharging
- Limit the time at which the battery stays at 4.20/cell. Prolonged high voltage promotes corrosion, especially at elevated temperatures.
- 3.92V/cell is the best upper voltage threshold for cobalt-based lithium-ion
- The 1st charge is no different to the 5th or the 50th charge. Stickers instructing to charge the battery for 8 hours or more for the first time may be a leftover from the nickel battery days.
Whole article on: batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm (by Cadex Electronic Inc.)
jahmann82 said:
I think you didn't understand a LI-ION battery!!!
1. completely false
2. I've a mobilephone also I wan't to use it!!!
3. Maybe... Have you tested it with a ampere meter?
4. A black display is always a good idea!
5. Why not buying a Nokia 3210 ?
6. Better: Don't use it for call.
7. Correct! (If you don't use a headset)
8. See Pt. 5
9. See Pt. 5
A few facts:
- a new lithium-ion pack does not need cycling through charging and discharging
- Limit the time at which the battery stays at 4.20/cell. Prolonged high voltage promotes corrosion, especially at elevated temperatures.
- 3.92V/cell is the best upper voltage threshold for cobalt-based lithium-ion
- The 1st charge is no different to the 5th or the 50th charge. Stickers instructing to charge the battery for 8 hours or more for the first time may be a leftover from the nickel battery days.
Whole article on: batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm (by Cadex Electronic Inc.)
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I second this as well. The tips given by nuc70st is only applicable in the old days with nickel based batteries (Ni-cd and Ni-MH), which for the past 5 years mobile phones have in general stopped using and have shifted to lithium varieties. Nickel Cadium and a smaller extent Nickel Metal Hydride suffer from "memory effect" so it was important to deep cycle the batteries to maintain its capacity.
Lithium batteries in contrast should be treated in the opposite. You should keep it charged up whenever possible, and fast discharging (draining its charge as fast as possible) actually does more harm than good. Most mobile phones don't discharge it fast enough for it to be problem, but plugging a lithium battery in a purpose made discharger is still a no-no.
I dont know if anybody else can try this with their N1 but I have recently noticed that when my battery does its initial.. drop to 95% before you can wonder what happened, I can charge it with the phone on and the green light stays on, implying that the phone is fully charged.
Then I turn the phone off and charge it, and the red light quickly comes on and allows another hour? of charging before the green light will re-appear.
I think i'll be trying leaving my phone on and on charge overnight and then turning it off while I get ready in the morning and don't necessarily need it.
The green light comes on before the battery is fully charged
AndyCr15 said:
So one person says don't let it drop down low very often, the next person says let it drop to 15% all the time...
Personally I've heard not to let it drop low more often these days. The old 'let it decharge regularly' was talked about a lot 4 or 5 years ago... no?
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I'm right and the other guy is dead wrong. Deep cycling was better for nickel metal hydride batteries, because it helped delay the memory effect.
No such issue for Li-ion batteries, plus charging makes Li-ion batteries HOT, which isn't particularly good for the battery. So numerous charges leads to less exposure to prolonged heating.
nuc70st said:
Tips: How to Make Your Cell Phone Battery Last Longer when you need it the most:
1. Always try to drain your battery or wait till its 15% or below then charge your phone. Its very important to turn the phone off before you plug it to charge. This help maximizing your battery charge.
2. Stop searching for a signal. When you are in an area with poor or no signal, your phone will constantly look for a better connection, and will use up all your power doing so.
3. Switch off the vibrate function on your phone, and use just the ring tone instead.
4. Turn off your phone's back light.
5. Avoid using unnecessary features. If you know it will be a while before your phone’s next charge, don’t use the camera or connect to the Internet. Flash photography can drain your battery especially quickly.
6. Keep calls short. This is obvious, but how many times have you heard someone on their mobile phone say, "I think my battery’s dying," and then continue their conversation for several minutes? Sometimes, the dying battery is just an excuse to get off the phone (and a good one, at that), but if you really need to conserve the battery, limit your talk time.
7. Turn off Bluetooth. It will drain your battery very quickly.
8. Same goes for WIFI, GPS, and infrared capabilities, if your phone has these features built in. Keep them off; save more power.
9. Use GSM - Using your phone in 3G / Dual Mode will drain the battery quicker than if you just use GSM mode - have a look at your phones spec and you'll see it will quote two different battery life times - normally 50% more for pure GSM use.
all very good tips, but its just funny that to save battery life we cant use ours phones as they where intended for us to use them. I need dilithium crystals.
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mikesm1234 said:
all very good tips
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Oh dear. Have you read this thread?
No, they are not good tips...
Rusty! said:
The green light comes on before the battery is fully charged
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I noticed that just last night! Are you supposed to keep charging it until its 100% or stop it from charging when the green light turns on?
Cheers,
M
Yes, I know. We're all sick of these battery threads. But I just came across something I wanted to share with you all.
Before I continue: I don't use any task killers. And I've read every battery trick thread on here and on Android Forums, so I've done it all. The CDMA fix. Rooting and using OCWidget. Charging it to 100%, turning it off, and then cycling the charge with the phone in the off state. And of course, disabling every data hungry app plus setting screen brightness to 50%. This is my 3rd Android phone, so it's definitely not my first rodeo.
So last night I was using my Evo as it was on the charger. I was browsing the web, and checking out some new apps in the market, so the screen was on for quite a while. I took my Evo off the charger, did some heavy texting, some browsing, Facebook, Twitter, etc, etc, and about 5 hours later I was at 80%. I then put it on the charger, and went to bed.
Fast forward to this morning: Took it off the charger, sent a few texts, and I'm down to 95% within minutes. Of course this frustrated me, since last night I went an hour before it even dropped to 99%. It'll be getting some heavy use today, so the last thing I want to do is leave the house with my battery in the 80% range. I put it back on the charger, and resumed normal usage. Some texting, Facebook, Movies app, Netflix app. Eventually the charging light goes green again. Took it off the charger an hour ago, did some texting, stayed connected to WiFi,and I'm still at 100%. Whereas earlier this morning it dropped 5% in minutes under the same use.
Scratched my head for a second, and remembered that my phone was on and in use while charging last time, before I took it off and got great battery life.
So now, I've set it so my Evo's screen stays on while charging. I also use the Power Control widget to increase the screen brightness to 100% while charging. And then once it's off the charger, just drop it to 50%.
To keep the phone awake while charging:
Menu -> Settings -> Applications -> Development -> And then tap the check box next to 'Stay awake'.
Not saying this is guaranteed to work, and I have no rational explanation as to how this works, but it's definitely helping me. I'm going to do some testing and report back on a few things.
I think you might be on to something. I recently had an experience where my batter was around the 60% mark, I plugged it into my computer for about 30mins - 1hr and somehow it managed to charge to 100% battery in that short time span. Needless to say, the battery drained pretty quickly until it reached some stable point. I'll try the charge with screen on thing when I get a chance.
as odd as this sounds, i have notice the same thing when using my phone while on the charger then taking it off. I use screen cast when i'm at work, so my phone is always plugged into the computer. Once i leave work for the day my phone is usually fully charged or about 80% with moderate usage my phone is usually around 60-70% when i lay down to go to bed. Now on the weekened when i charge my phone overnight, the following day with moderate to heavy usage my battery drops to like 50% within a hour to a hour in a half. So i plug it in while texting or browsing, and when it get fully charged the battery seems to take 3-4 hours to get to 50% with moderate to light use. Weird
I've currently enabled every bell and whistle on my Evo so I can speed up the battery drain. I'm making note of the voltage reading at each percentage (via Battery Indicator), and then I'm going to charge it back up with the screen off to compare these numbers.
I think the issue isn't the charging with the screen on. I think there may be a "bug" that, when the phone hits full charge, it doesn't continue to charge but instead starts using the phone battery. Thus, when you charge at night, it's fully charged for a while, you start using it in the morning and it quickly drops to whatever has already been used (~94-95%). But, if you charge it and take it off soon after the light turns green, then it's fully charged and you're getting the full 100%.
I think there's a problem with the trickle charging.
gianmarco00 said:
I think the issue isn't the charging with the screen on. I think there may be a "bug" that, when the phone hits full charge, it doesn't continue to charge but instead starts using the phone battery. Thus, when you charge at night, it's fully charged for a while, you start using it in the morning and it quickly drops to whatever has already been used (~94-95%). But, if you charge it and take it off soon after the light turns green, then it's fully charged and you're getting the full 100%.
I think there's a problem with the trickle charging.
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My testing confirms this theory. I put mine on the charger after work, and the light was green when I went to bed.. the next morning when I unplugged it, it dropped to 90% within a few minutes. Everytime I've unplugged it right after the green light comes on, it stays on 100% for at least 15-20 minutes of use.
gianmarco00 said:
I think the issue isn't the charging with the screen on. I think there may be a "bug" that, when the phone hits full charge, it doesn't continue to charge but instead starts using the phone battery. Thus, when you charge at night, it's fully charged for a while, you start using it in the morning and it quickly drops to whatever has already been used (~94-95%). But, if you charge it and take it off soon after the light turns green, then it's fully charged and you're getting the full 100%.
I think there's a problem with the trickle charging.
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That explanation sounds accurate, so instead of doing all this it might b a simple tweak to not have this trinkle effect happen
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It was mentioned in another thread that "trickle charge" gives the battery a better deeper charge. Perhaps a 500 or 700 mah charger will do the trick instead of risking a screen burn.
I am LUCKY to get 8 hours of battery life on my brand new stock Epic.. I usually get 4-6 hours. It will NOT last through a normal day of work without putting it on the charger around lunchtime. I take it off the charger around 6:30 AM and I am usually home by 4PM and have to immediately go and charge my phone.
Even if I put it on airplane mode, kill all running applications, and shut the screen off to standby, the phone still seems to suck battery life down very quickly (~5% in 20 minutes on airplane mode, wtf???).. So airplane mode doesn't help.. And I really DON'T want to put it in airplane mode to conserve battery because then my phone is completely useless -- it won't even ring when my wife calls..
Is my battery defective? Please tell me it is... This can't be right..
Are there processes still running that use lots of CPU, even when the stock sprint "task manager" program shows that nothing is running? Is there anything I can do to improve this if I root the phone? How about custom roms? I would really like to run Froyo/Gingerbread anyway.. If anyone has any suggestions to help to make my battery life not such an EPIC FAIL, I would greatly appreciate it.
EDIT: Also wanted to comment on the SLOW CHARGING. With the stock Samsung wall charger, it takes at least a couple of hours to get a full charge. With a USB cable plugged into a PC overnight, it only gets to about 50%. Compared with my previous phone, the HTC TP2, this is really really REALLY slow. It charged in 30-60 minutes and the battery lasted much longer.
I did notice that Samsung only provides a 0.7 amp charger, versus a 1.0A charger for the TP2. Why does Samsung limit the charge current like this? And apparently there is no nueBattery mod driver for android
UPDATE: JuiceDefender looks very promising. Installed the free version and my battery is only down to 95% after one hour. Thanks for the suggestion.
FWIW, I'm getting about the same 8ish hours on mine running DK28. I'm losing about 4% an hour without touching it. I'm seeing some people claiming insane battery life (18 hours with heavy browsing on wifi) I wish I knew how they were managing that.
Wait, it won't even ring when you're wife calls? and you're complaining?
First, the airplane mode means you switch the phone to airplane mode first then switch it back so you won't have time without signal problem which can cause battery drain.
I am able to get 10+ hrs at least by doing the following
1) use airplane mode trick so no TWS
2) use titanium backup to remove a bunch of stock junk
3) use titanium to freeze certain applications (DRM, MediaHub, Qik etc)
4) Have as few applications as possible that constantly pull data
Just yesterday I had 1 day 17 hours before switching
Yesterday when it finally gave up the ghost with the battery indicator blinking i checked my stats.
I had 1 day, 17 hours unplugged. Screen time was around 2 hours and some minutes. I had 45 minutes of talk time.
One thing i will add is I purchased a charger with two batteries off Ebay. Previously when charging with the stock charger as soon as I pulled it off the charger it would read 97%. With the seperate charger it reads 100% for quite awhile before it starts to drop.
And for the record I purchased this charger and two batteries of Ebay for a winning bid of $0.01, plus $9.95 S&H. It was a steal in my opinion.
Unless you are getting near 12 hours of battery life, one of 3 things is occurring:
1) You are using the phone an insane amount
2) You messed something up
3) The battery is defective
For the record, its almost always number 2.
I suggest doing a Factory reset, which will wipe everything off the phone. Then without installing anything or setting your facebook to update every 15 seconds, see how long the battery life lasts. If it is still only 4-6 hours, then your battery is most likely defective.
well of course it won't ring if your wife calls if its in airplane mode. That radio is turned off.
8 hours? That's it? I wouldn't call that normal, but that's just me...
I just plugged my phone in after 4 1/2 days (108 hours) running on a stock 1500maH battery, running Quantum Rom 1.5 (DK17), no special apps running to disable data (aka Juice Defender, etc.), not in airplane mode at all, with the DRM software running, in other words, a more or less 'Stock' configuration (taking into account any differences in the base Rom).
Granted, I barely used the phone in the last 4 days though
muyoso said:
I suggest doing a Factory reset, which will wipe everything off the phone. Then without installing anything or setting your facebook to update every 15 seconds, see how long the battery life lasts. If it is still only 4-6 hours, then your battery is most likely defective.
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I'll do that. For the record, I've got fbook set to never update, and seesmic once every 6 hrs.
Koadic said:
8 hours? That's it? I wouldn't call that normal, but that's just me...
I just plugged my phone in after 4 1/2 days (108 hours) running on a stock 1500maH battery, running Quantum Rom 1.5 (DK17), no special apps running to disable data (aka Juice Defender, etc.), not in airplane mode at all, with the DRM software running, in other words, a more or less 'Stock' configuration (taking into account any differences in the base Rom).
Granted, I barely used the phone in the last 4 days though
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LOL at screen on for 52 minutes total. That is 11.5 minutes a day.
muyoso said:
LOL at screen on for 52 minutes total. That is 11.5 minutes a day.
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Like I said, barely touched my phone in the last 4 days... been feeling a little under the weather so have been at home a lot and in bed doing all my internet stuff and gaming (pogo) on a laptop instead of on my phone.
Since I updated to the leaked Froyo, my battery life has plummeted. It lasts maybe 1/3-1/2 as long as it used to. Turning off 3G has helped immensely though, so that must be the culprit. I used to be able to leave 3G on while at work and make it to bedtime before having to charge it. Or if I shut it off at night (which I usually do), it would make it through my commute to work the next morning. Now, I'm lucky to get through the work day unless I turn off 3G. Huge difference in battery life for me since updating. I'm hoping they fix this in the official release of Froyo.
Well, I've recently found out that if you flash via update.zip while the USB is plugged in, you'll mess up the battery calibration of your device. This is what I did, and i'm pretty sure the cause of my problems. I did find a fix, and here it is:
siliconaddict said:
This is the procedure that works for me:
The following steps should significantly extend the battery life on your phone:
1. Let the battery drain close to empty (5% or less).
2. Connect the phone to the charger (AC or USB, USB is better) while powered on and allow the phone to charge until the notification LED is green, indicating the device is fully charged and untill the voltage is at least 4187mV. A higher voltage like 4192mV or more is even better. Use a tool like Overcharged or Battery Indicator to monitor this. Note that a green notification LED does not automatically mean that the voltage is good too.
A higher voltage means in practice that it will take longer to discharge, a lower voltage means that the battery will discharge a lot quicker! The difference can be quite significant!
3. Disconnect the phone from the charger and power it off.
4. Reconnect the phone to the charger while powered off and allow the phone to charge until the notification LED is green. The notification LED may turn green immediately. Leave it on the charger for another hour.
5. Disconnect the phone from the charger and power it on.
6. Once the phone is powered on completely (has restarted fully) wait 2 minutes and power it off again.
7. Reconnect the phone to the charger while powered off and allow the phone to charge until the notification LED is green. The notification LED may turn green immediately. Leave it on the charger for another hour.
8. Leave the phone on the charger and reboot into the ClockWorkMod recovery menu and wipe the battery stats via -> Advanced -> Wipe battery stats.
9. Disconnect the phone from the charger, restart the phone and start using it as normal.
From then on always let the battery drain close to empty (5% or less) as often as possible and then charge untill the voltage is at least 4187mV. A higher voltage like 4192mV or more is even better.
Normally you will have to do this only once. However, on all Android ROMs, if you flash a ROM while charging or during the first boot screen on, first boot mucks up the levels Android thinks the phone is at, i.e. Android will think you’re at 100% when maybe you’re only 90% or whatever. So in theory you will need to repeat this every time you flash a ROM while charging!
Better is to make sure the battery is charged before you flash a ROM and just remove the USB/charge cable before you flash a ROM. Put it back in (if you must) after the first boot screen (when the custom screen or whatever shows).
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There is a shorter version that also seems to work well:
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So combining the two bits of info we've compiled, the best way to calibrate your battery is as follows
1: Charge phone whilst on till LED is green.
2: Disconnect phone from charger, power it off.
3: Reconnect to charger with phone powered off and allow to charge till LED is green.
4: Disconnect the phone from charger, power it on. Once completely powered on, turn it off again and reconnect to charger until LED is green.
5: Reboot into recovery (back button held at same time as power button) and wipe battery stats.
Battery should now be calibrated.
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From what I've been told, you don't have to wipe the stats (you need root to do that) but it helps if you can.
I think this may also stem from interrupting the inital charge of the device. I know I did this on both my wife's device and mine (plus my added fubar of flashing with the USB in). Anyway, hopefully I can report some good news tomorrow.
If y'all are really interested in reading a 51 page thread on this, go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=755903
I get 4 or 5 hours if that. I can barely make it to 6. But i probably use my phone more than the average person. Because i take public transportation and browse, stream, email and have 4g connected on my commute back and fourth.
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I get 4 or 5 hours if that. I can barely make it to 6. But i probably use my phone more than the average person. Because i take public transportation and browse, stream, email and have 4g connected on my commute back and fourth.
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I've been running JuiceDefender for about 5 hours now and I am loving it.. I still have 75% and I can still receive calls just fine.. It turns off data when the screen is off, but turns it on at scheduled times (default is 1 min every 15 min) so that your emails/twitters/etc can update like normal. The paid version has even more features so I bought it..
Never mind im dumb for not reading his post. Already answered my question sorry.
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Well, I've recently found out that if you flash via update.zip while the USB is plugged in, you'll mess up the battery calibration of your device. This is what I did, and i'm pretty sure the cause of my problems. I did find a fix, and here it is:
There is a shorter version that also seems to work well:
From what I've been told, you don't have to wipe the stats (you need root to do that) but it helps if you can.
I think this may also stem from interrupting the inital charge of the device. I know I did this on both my wife's device and mine (plus my added fubar of flashing with the USB in). Anyway, hopefully I can report some good news tomorrow.
If y'all are really interested in reading a 51 page thread on this, go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=755903
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Decided not to quote the whole thing but I'm in the process of doing this right now! Took 2 hours to drain my batt from full (running everything and keeping my phone searching for gps constantly in a place where it would also be searching for signal makes quick work of a battery!).
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Wait, it won't even ring when you're wife calls? and you're complaining?
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*golf clap*
diego1985 said:
I definitely need to try that out. Can you still receive calls or no?
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Yes, with juice defender I can receive calls and my gmail/twitter/facebook/etc. are all already up-to-date whenever I pick up my phone. It works exactly as before, except my battery is not constantly being drained now.
I guess the downsides are that I might not get a new email notification for 15 minutes, and that there is a service running in the background that may cause some slowdown. Neither has been a problem for me so far. I highly recommend this application for Epic 4G owners. Problem solved, basically.
I usually get 12hrs with moderate use (~2hrs with screen on, half of that is usually on the browser). I turn background data off bc I don't have a twitter and I rarely check Facebook so when I do I just use the browser.
I also noticed that wifi burns more battery on DK28, on 2.1 I would hardly lose any battery on standby with wifi, now I get a 3-4% drain per hour... But with 3g on now I lose less then 1% an hour, it used to be a battery hog.
Seems most of us have not noticed:
GB stops the charger supply on our SGS as soon as the battery is fully charged and then your phone uses BATTERY instead of charger to keep itself on!
If your phone has some apps running which drains the battery fast, your phone will drain the entire battery and will shut down when the battery is dead!
This is very dangerous for the battery to discharge every day because of this bug and Samsung and most of still haven't seems to notice this!
I have tested this several times now and downgrading the Froyo fixes the issue.
This issue occurs even when the phone is sitting idle with minimal battery drain for several hours connected with charger (in such situation the drain is minimal with few percentage like when you disconnect the charger.
Let me know if some of you have different experience as my phone definitely has this issue which doesn't exist if I downgrade to Froyo.
We all can check this behavior:
Charge the phone till it says 100% charged. Use the phone normally or heavily for several minutes (like web browsing). Keep it connected to charger while it says "Charged" 100% for a couple of hours (to ensure that you did not drain the battery beyond charger capacity). You would still get much lesser than 100% charge after removing the charger (try using battery indicator tools which tells exact %age of battery).
This bug exist on all the Gingerbread images I have tried including official and those based on JVP 2.3.4
Read below how lithium ion batteries work best if used around full charge (without over charging - Phone and Battery has protection circuit) during regular use:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Thanks to "$omator"
Use this software to test your battery: https://market.android.com/details?id=ccc71.bmw
Deeper than 10% charging and discharging cycles unnecessarily will significantly reduce the lifetime of the battery. Hence when phone is plugged, it should charge battery to 100% and power the phone through charger after stopping charging. Samsung usually stop charging around 96% of full capacity of battery to avoid over charging. After disconnecting the batteries once around 96% was achieved, it will restart the charging cycle around 95%. Hence all builds till Froyo reported close to 100% charge level and never less than 95% when disconnected from the charger.
GIST - Batteries should maintain floating charge voltage to avoid depletion and wear unnecessarily while connected to the charger after full charge and phone should run on Charger ONLY. Instead, Samsung goofed up Gingerbread drivers to switch off the charger and run the phone on batteries randomly draining the battery sometimes completely. GB OS thinks phone is running on charger and hence show 100% charge and RAPIDLY drains the battery till it goes dead when batteries go dead (randomly)!
Last screenshot is from Froyo. Attaching more on a later post on how stable it is in Froyo.
EDIT 1st July - More screenshots on how Froyo maintains stable voltage and do not consume battery power (current) in post #57: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15228263&postcount=57
Screenshot #5 and #6 tells the DROP in battery voltage as soon as the charger is connected (200mV!) which speaks how much the GB OS consumes more when plugged in and STILL discharging!
Got the same problem with jpu. i didnt really realize this problem until this morning, just wondered why i had only about 90% battery in the morning after charging while with froyo i had about >95 in the morning.
today i slept until 10:00 and wow, battery was at 70(!) %.
when i plugged it in yesterday, ive got about 80% left (well, charging the phone every night seems to be a rite for me).
(and yes, im always listening to the sound when plugging the charger in).
so, as far as i can say, phone does not just stop charging at 100%, it also seems to consume much more power than it should. dangerous for battery, when the phone keeps plugged in for t >> t(100%).
This is a known issue of all current gingerbread builds. It will probably be fixed in due time.
and we wait for it
and we wait for it
Glad to hear it's a common issue. I was wondering if my batt/charger was faulty
Anyway, let's hope this gets fixed soon!
I noticed this the other day, hope it is fixed soon!
Yes, this has bugged me for the last month or more. Hence my question here about downgrading to 2.2.1...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1135297
A temporary workaround - turn the phone off. Plug the charger in, then power on. Doing it this way should keep the battery topped-up after it first hits 100% charge - at least it does for me(I think reliably, but I can't remember). But it's a nuisance - especially as I tether for my home internet these days. Machines updating the OS overnight have seen me unplug to have less than 60% charge despite it saying 100% before unplugging, which doesn't last the day.
Unimpressed with Gingerbread on the whole. And Samsung/Kies for not letting me downgrade if the latest update(s) aren't up to much.
Actually I'm running eclair today to compare the battery. Got sick of unplugging it in the morning only to have less than 70% charge.
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I don't appear to have this problem, I put my phone on charge last night at 23:30 as usual, the alarm went off at 07:30, then played a couple of tunes, phone showed 100%. Disconnected charger, went downstairs, checked xda for any news, saw this thread, checked my phone's battery level and it showed 98% after being disconnected from charger for 27 mins. Unless I'm using nav or maps my normal battery drain is 4% per hour in a reasonable signal strength area, so 98% after 30mins is normal for me.
For ref: Galaxy i9000, XEU UK unbranded on XXJVO via keis. no mods.
Thanks for posting this I used my phone's gps yesterday when driving and I only just stumbled across this when I got where I was going, phone still said battery at 100% whilst plugged in but as soon as I turned the engine off and killed the charger my phone died with a dead battery.
Somewhat annoying to say the least, I'm going back to a 2.2.1 Rom tonight I've had loads of problems with all the 2.3 Rom's I've tried mainly lag and battery drain. I never seem to have any free RAM on gingerbread, lucky to get 50Mb on boot
oh well rant over the world can now continue ;-)
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Actually I'm running eclair today to compare the battery. Got sick of unplugging it in the morning only to have less than 70% charge.
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Well, woke up this morning and unplugged phone. 1.5 hours later and it's on 95% still, with a little usage. Didn't see that on 2.3.4. Using jg4 fully stock, only rooted. I might stick jsd on it today and see how it goes tomorrow. Not many apps back on it though. Surprisingly the phone feels quite fast at the moment. Don't remember eclair being like this. Not seeing much difference between 2.3.4 and it currently.
As I use go launcher, having gingerbread is probably less important for me cause I kind of don't use many of the features of it (the launchers etc) anyway.
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I don't appear to have this problem, I put my phone on charge last night at 23:30 as usual, the alarm went off at 07:30, then played a couple of tunes, phone showed 100%. Disconnected charger, went downstairs, checked xda for any news, saw this thread, checked my phone's battery level and it showed 98% after being disconnected from charger for 27 mins. Unless I'm using nav or maps my normal battery drain is 4% per hour in a reasonable signal strength area, so 98% after 30mins is normal for me.
For ref: Galaxy i9000, XEU UK unbranded on XXJVO via keis. no mods.
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I would appreciate if you could test the issue by using the phone heavily after full charge by KEEPING THE CHARGER CONNECTED AFTER FULL CHARGE (preferably playing 3D games or running benchmarks) and disconnect the charger to check the battery level.
Seems most of us are unaware of this issue and some confuse this with the excess battery drain issue after DISCONNECTING the charger.
Thank goodness I found this thread. I had thought there was something wrong with my battery. After unplugging my battery would instantly drop from 100% to 96%, once even 87%. Thinking it was something to do with battery re calibration due to me flashing new roms, i wiped batt stats many times and went through of arduous process of draining and fully charging, but to no avail. Now I will rest easy despite still facing this bug. At least I know I'm not the only one.
yep...i just flashed a couple of days ago from stock 2.2 (KC1) via kies to 2.3.4 (JVP) using ODIN. I have had it charge fully and upon removal of the usb cable, it dropped from 100% to 98%. Since then, I have gone through one full discharge and the subsequent recharge to 100% dropped to 96% upon charger removal. I recall reading about this somewhere suggesting a recalibration was needed, but I was just trying to get it up to 100% and didn't have the time to search forums (i was using a portable usb charger). I disconnected the charger and after reconnection and display of 100%, it would then drop to 97% instead of 96%. A repeat proved fruitless and so I tried to charge it while off. Turning it on after a bit I found that it was brought up to 98%. Repeated process for 99% and FINALLY 100%. Though the final 100% was achieved after a few 100% while off and while on charges. It stayed at 100% for a bit over 30 mins. I will see how subsequent charges behave...
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Thank goodness I found this thread. I had thought there was something wrong with my battery. After unplugging my battery would instantly drop from 100% to 96%, once even 87%. Thinking it was something to do with battery re calibration due to me flashing new roms, i wiped batt stats many times and went through of arduous process of draining and fully charging, but to no avail. Now I will rest easy despite still facing this bug. At least I know I'm not the only one.
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This is a serious bug as it will significantly reduce the battery life due to repeated deeper charge and discharge cycle.
unless i've misunderstood, it seems to me that what will really affect battery life is the battery stats calibration. where it once would charge to 100%, it will now charge to, for example, 96%. Doing a calibration will make that 96% appear to the phone as 100%. From reading, it seems calibration is required for firmware flashes, so the more flashes and calibrations you do, the less battery life you will have since subsequent calibrations are done when the battery reading is less than 100 immediately after an unplug. Following the example above, the next flash could also have the same issue of displaying 100% and then 96% immediately after an unplug. The user would try to calibrate their battery yet again. Now this time, the 96% is of the previous full reading (which was actually 96% but appears as 100% b/c of calibration). So, the after a second calibration, the 100% reading is actually closer to 92.16% of the original pre-flash and pre-calibrated battery (96% of 96% of 100%).
hope that makes sense and someone can confirm, or instead (which i hope), prove me wrong as I would hate to think that what I stated is true since that will GREATLY diminish battery life artificially.
such overcharging (power off + connect charger and so on) is slowly killing battery
and it is not a bug that phone dsiconnects charger when it hits 100% and starts eating batt
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such overcharging (power off + connect charger and so on) is slowly killing battery
and it is not a bug that phone dsiconnects charger when it hits 100% and starts eating batt
anyways read my signature yellow part
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Yeah, but in pre-gingerbread roms the charging started again when below certain value, so it stayed above 90% all the time.
Now you can drain the battery heavily by using it while plugged (and the battery always shows 100%), then unplug and have it jump down to like 60%, or worse, turn off.
The only way to restart the charging is removing and connecting the charger again.
i tkink thyve must decided that such upcharging when almost full shortens battery life
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yep...i just flashed a couple of days ago from stock 2.2 (KC1) via kies to 2.3.4 (JVP) using ODIN. I have had it charge fully and upon removal of the usb cable, it dropped from 100% to 98%. Since then, I have gone through one full discharge and the subsequent recharge to 100% dropped to 96% upon charger removal. I recall reading about this somewhere suggesting a recalibration was needed, but I was just trying to get it up to 100% and didn't have the time to search forums (i was using a portable usb charger). I disconnected the charger and after reconnection and display of 100%, it would then drop to 97% instead of 96%. A repeat proved fruitless and so I tried to charge it while off. Turning it on after a bit I found that it was brought up to 98%. Repeated process for 99% and FINALLY 100%. Though the final 100% was achieved after a few 100% while off and while on charges. It stayed at 100% for a bit over 30 mins. I will see how subsequent charges behave...
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You are confusing recalibration and battery drain after full charge
The issue is after full charge, phone disconnects the charger and start draining batteries till it goes dead.
Let me rephrase the issue - batteries start draining immediately after full charge as the phone somehow start using battery INSTEAD of charger ONLY after full charge!
This is a serious bug as the GB drivers switch off the charger (instead of batteries) after full charge when the OPPOSITE has to happen!
I've owned my Note 4 since October 2014 and it's been working solidly since. Last Thursday, out of nowhere, I noticed that from a 14% charge, it suddenly dropped to 4%. I immediately scrambled for a charger and charged it back up to 100%. On Friday, I charged my battery normally again. Charging finished at 11 AM but the drain was abnormally high. My phone was warm to the touch and battery was dead in 4 hours. I was using the phone normally throughout that time, 4g on, location services/bt off, screen off for the most part. I ran OS monitor to see whether any app was locking up the CPU, but, as expected, the main CPU users were Android System and Android OS.
On Saturday, I charged the phone to full again, disconnected around 4 pm. Being that I was home, both wifi and 4g were off. Battery discharged normally, and was only down to 30% on Monday morning.
On Monday, I noticed that battery dropped from 21% straight to 11% straight to 4% in a few seconds. The drain from 4 to 3 to 2% was decent (few minutes of screen on time, on viber), then the phone shut off. I tried to charge the battery with the device powered off, but noticed that the phone simply stopped charging at 80%. I thought that was an abnormality. I tried wiping the system and app caches, but the problem persisted and drain still felt pretty fast. Tuesday night, the phone stopped charging at 91%, staying at the same level for 40 minutes before I gave up and unplugged.
My friend had purchased a fake OEM Note 4 battery and allowed me to try the drain/charge process using his battery to troubleshoot. When I first plugged his battery into my phone, the drain was high at about 1 percent per minute. When I tried to charge the battery, the charge level would not go beyond 90%. I switched on safe mode, but the battery did not charge any further either. I felt by then that something was definitely wrong with my phone. When I restarted the phone to get out of safe mode, though, it suddenly started charging again and hit 100%. With regular use, the fake battery gave me 16 hours of power, which I thought was relatively decent. Alas, when I started charging it again, it stopped charging at 77%. Battery Monitor Widget showed 0 mA flowing into the phone at the time, though the battery indicator in the status bar showed the lightning bolt.
I took out the fake battery and put in my original. It is now charging up normally, but I expect charging to stop before I hit 100%.
If anyone could provide possible explanations for what could be going on and/or other troubleshooting tips to try, I would really appreciate it. A factory reset would be my last recourse.
Thank you very much!
EDIT: My battery went all the way up to 100% this time. But it's the same one that got stuck (at 80% then at 91%) twice in the past.
I'm using two different Samsung chargers and different cords, by the way, and blew out the port with air prior to attempting to charge the fake battery that still stopped at 77%.
I had the same issue, took it to Samsung and they replaced the battery, it has been okay since that
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I had the same issue, took it to Samsung and they replaced the battery, it has been okay since that
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Really? I was ready to write off my battery and just buy a replacement, but what was weird was that even the newish fake battery wouldn't charge fully. That's what made me worried that it's my phone that's the problem.
It'd be great if this could be as simple as a battery problem.