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After the last news that they say that in May probably there should promise to be Android 2.2 (Froyo): what do you think that it will do SonyEricsson? Will it update 2.1 (eclair) or to 2.2 (Froyo)?
I think that if it updates Eclair(2.1) it will be an error because Froyo has many progress
Rgds
SE will not update to a system that is not available during the updateprocess...
who says it's unavailable? to you and me, maybe
Yes well.. It's still undergoing production and isn't done.
I bet that the update will be to 2.1: they have started the work on 1.6 and they have released the phone with 1.6 even if 2.1 was already available for months. SE will probably never update to 2.2.
i don't know...i wouldn't be so sure of it
even tho Froyo is "undergoing production" that doesn't mean that they can't be working together with google or whoever's developing it and test it on the way it's being done
if that weren't possible than that would mean that first we'd have to wait for Froyo to come out and then NO phone in general would have it for months until the phones are adjusted, that to me doesn't make sense
it's like saying windows 8 is awailable but none of you can install it on your system until we've adjusted it
if you get my point...
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SE will not update to a system that is not available during the updateprocess...
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That already, it is logical, but SE has said that it will update 2.1 in September, that's why he was asking about it because it is supposed that in September Froyo 2.2 will have already gone out
X10 will be a constantly the 'last version' phone. We're stuck with 1.6 when 2.1 is out in the wild, and we will be stuck with 2.1 when all other phones have 2.2.
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That already, it is logical, but SE has said that it will update 2.1 in September, that's why he was asking about it because it is supposed that in September Froyo 2.2 will have already gone out
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SE's comments regarding upgrades were all part of the below article: can you please tell me where in there Harold de Kort (Communications Manager at Sony Ericsson) states that the X10 will be upgraded specifically to Android 2.1, or where he mentions "September" as a release date?
Major update for Xperia X10 after Summer
In the final paragraph the writer even states specifically that SE hasn't stated which version of the Android SE will be going to with the X10:
Although Sony Ericssn has to make her own interface available for a higher version of Android, the interface will not chage a lot. Sony Ericsson herself does not make a statement on which version of Android the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 will receive in the second half of this year and therefore doesn't confirm that it will concern an Android 2.1 update.
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The info you are referencing comes from a post on Engadget from late last week which was unsubstantiated rumor from a "trusted" but un-named source who was wrong on in regards to his claim that 2.1 would bring multi-touch to the X10. I wouldn't put any stock in the rest of his claims.
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X10 will be a constantly the 'last version' phone. We're stuck with 1.6 when 2.1 is out in the wild, and we will be stuck with 2.1 when all other phones have 2.2.
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This is not necessarily a bad thing. This means that we will always have a stable and well known platform. If SE would apply the policy to always updated the phone to the second last version, it would be great. But my fear is that, as usual with SE, we will not get too many updates, maybe only one major update and then a minor bug fixing update. Then the phone will be "abandonware"... like the Xperia X1.
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This is not necessarily a bad thing. This means that we will always have a stable and well known platform. If SE would apply the policy to always updated the phone to the second last version, it would be great. But my fear is that, as usual with SE, we will not get too many updates, maybe only one major update and then a minor bug fixing update. Then the phone will be "abandonware"... like the Xperia X1.
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perhaps not so much a problem with the X10 - being Android based it will be easier for them to upgrade the base OS.. unless they have a complete change of direction with their own overlay... (which wouldn't surprise me!)
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perhaps not so much a problem with the X10 - being Android based it will be easier for them to upgrade the base OS.. unless they have a complete change of direction with their own overlay... (which wouldn't surprise me!)
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Come on, it was not so difficult to upgrade the X1 from Windows Mobile 6.1 to 6.5, and all the buyers would have been happy. This way, SE has just collected a lot of unhappy or angry customers. Moreover, this has been always the habit of SE: abandon the development of their phone after the release and leave the customers with bugs and issues. I really hope they've changed they strategy.
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Come on, it was not so difficult to upgrade the X1 from Windows Mobile 6.1 to 6.5, and all the buyers would have been happy. This way, SE has just collected a lot of unhappy or angry customers. Moreover, this has been always the habit of SE: abandon the development of their phone after the release and leave the customers with bugs and issues. I really hope they've changed they strategy.
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To my understanding, most WinMo 6.1 devices weren't upgraded to WinMo 6.5. My iPAQ 910c certainly wasn't.
I'm not confident that the x10 itself will receive an update at all. This is my 3rd Android device and my first SE device.
As a result of all the nonsense surrounding MT and colour support I've lost faith in SE already.
I think there xperia line will have upgraded OS's, but I don't know about the X10.
I've never had this much trouble with HTC devices (but I guess that has been down to this forum).
I'm not confident that the x10 itself will receive an update at all. This is my 3rd Android device and my first SE device.
As a result of all the nonsense surrounding MT and colour support I've lost faith in SE already.
I think there xperia line will have upgraded OS's, but I don't know about the X10.
I've never had this much trouble with HTC devices (but I guess that has been down to this forum).
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well htc too have been mischievous in releasing updates fr their fones.. hd was never upgraded to 6.5... there r no promises tht hd2 will get win 7.. atleast se has promised a 2.X update..
btw this is my first se device nd i am quite impresses... i used lots of htc devices and was hpy wid dem..
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To my understanding, most WinMo 6.1 devices weren't upgraded to WinMo 6.5. My iPAQ 910c certainly wasn't.
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You are right. However, it is not a good way to keep customers. And SE has already a constantly decrease in market share, and I think that the only way to reverse that trend is to build the reputation of a very high customer satisfaction. For smarphones, this means frequent and effective software updates.
Fair enough.
I just think that if they can take so long, to release their flagship handset in first place, and taking their supposed track record into account. Should we really expect 2.1 at least anytime soon?
After taking all those extra months to get the device ready for consumers, they release a device with a substandard input method, slow camera speed and poor in call volume.
Their famed customizations also have issues. Timescape is slow and on occasion I have to press keys several times for the system to register my input (mediascape).
We should be worrying about stability and and performance updates on 1.6 before we consider 2x.
This phone has so much potential but it still seems like a prototype to me.
yea it desperately needs an update. having said that, even though its running 1.6, it DOES have the latest kernel dosent it?
i'm hoping the fact that it comes with a 2 year warranty instead of the 1 year all other phones come with is an indication that we'll get reasonable updates past a year.
also- SE was the first to acknowledge the existance of 2.2, remember? when some guy mentioned the x10 will get 2.x
A Sony Ericsson rep confirmed to me that it will be a 2.x update in Sept.
She also said that their reasoning behind 1.6 was to ensure network compatibility so it could be sold across all networks, but I'm not sure if that makes much sense.
I am pretty sure that the gyus here at XDA will do something for us if SE will not give the right version in time. I had 6.5 on X1 for more than 9 months without any SE involement
Mugur
http://mugur-ionescu.ro
2.2 is wonderful! X10 can handle it very well!
let's e-mail to SE to express our idea!
if the x10 can be rooted, does that mean that we technically would be able to run froyo on it ? 2.2
i hope so .
Yeah, i saw some vidoes of 2.2 on youtube and i was left feeling really jealous of the nexus one people that will get it!
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when it comes for my x10 ?
se has promised 2.1 and froyo would take another 4 months ..
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when it comes for my x10 ?
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we willnever get it without root
look at the company that respect their customers http://www.gsmarena.com/all_the_latest_htc_android_phones_will_get_the_froyo_treatment-news-1674.php after only one day of announcement of the new android ,they announced that all their devices will get it before the end of the year ,(ofcource you all know which company iam talking about )
ok,
froyo looks good, very good.
2.1 in Q2010/4 and 2.2 in Q2011/1 for x10 makes no sense.
That means there are a some reasons why SE could stick to 2.1/Q4:
- SE plans a X10 sucessor for Q4 with froyo (including multitouch)
- google wants to have a clean froyo/hardware base, which could mean all f froyo-devices should have multitouch
- ?
- SE is cool or clever enough (like HTC) and announce 2.2/froyo for all X10 device-classes and cancels the 2.1 update
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froyo looks good, very good.
2.1 in Q2010/4 and 2.2 in Q2011/1 for x10 makes no sense.
That means there are a some reasons why SE could stick to 2.1/Q4:
- SE plans a X10 sucessor for Q4 with froyo (including multitouch)
- google wants to have a clean froyo/hardware base, which could mean all f froyo-devices should have multitouch
- ?
- SE is cool or clever enough (like HTC) and announce 2.2/froyo for all X10 device-classes and cancels the 2.1 update
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from where didi you got your info SE didnot canclled 2.1 never said any thing about 2.2
especially since its just been announced that flash will need 2.2 as a minumum.
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from where didi you got your info SE didnot canclled 2.1 never said any thing about 2.2
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problem is, companies are not as stupid as we sometimes thinks. they just make sometimes the wrong desicions.
the x10 has no multi/dualtouch maybe the big screen & dual/multi was (last year) to expensive/not avaible.
To annouce 2.1 two weeks before google I/O is also very stupid, because everyone knows that 2.2 will come at google I/O
... so there must be a reason, maybe a reason SE knows before (e.g. google wants froyo only on multitouch devices, maybe,
look, there is no HTC Legend in the HTC - 2.2 update list) so SE had to announce 2.1 before google I/O . If this is correct we only can hope ...
Second time in my life i have to thank adobe, because flash 10.1 needs 2.2 and this could change everything.
The X10 devices (mini, etc.) and SE cannot survive beside the desire/nexus without flash ... so next week(s), we will see ...
I sincerely hope that Sony Ericsson Xperia to update to Froyo, because if do not update, Sony will be out of the game.
Consumers are not stupid. Not sell any telephone.
I will never again buy a Sony product.
The truth and we really know this already is that we will not see an official update from Sony to the xperia x10 in 2010.
We really need to face this and realize its just NOT going to happen. I am not being negative just realistic.
Our only hope is for the guys on the development side come up with a way to root the x10 and get it to run froyo. But an official update from Sony is VERY unlikely!
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Second time in my life i have to thank adobe, because flash 10.1 needs 2.2 and this could change everything.
The X10 devices (mini, etc.) and SE cannot survive beside the desire/nexus without flash ... so next week(s), we will see ...
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Yeah, I hope google isn't trying to set a baseline for 2.2+ with multitouch as a requirement.
But I do agree with this. Flash could just save us...
Oh and cmboud, we will see an update from SE this year. The problem is if it is the update we want or not
Maybe it sounds stupid but how about a petition? As long its post on multiple forums we can get lots of people, what you think?I willing to start it,just need someone to write me a good intro for it since my english is not the best as you probably have noticed.
It sounds like a good idea but I'm pretty sure it's something that they already know, of COURSE we want the latest and greatest, that's why we choose this phone most likely.
I don't belive a petition will resolve anything in our favour - if they could announce 2.2 they would - it would sell more handsets!
my .02
On a norwegian mobile site mobilen.no, stated:
HTC say they will make 2.2 available on phones that are launched this year, writes Phandroid.com.
The Sony Ericsson says the long term will make 2.2 available for its Xperia X10 models. Here we are waiting still on version 2.1.
http://mobilen.no/wip4/fullt-godbiter-android-2-2/d.epl?id=44606
How long we (X10 owners) have to wait? *Wondering*
An online petition could be a great thing if we wouldn't talk about SE. What do you think will happen? Where to send this petition?
Send it to SE vie email?
Hmmm let me think we will get an answer like "Thank you for your opinion, try to update your x10 via SEUS...blablabla"
Call the Support and inform them about the petition?
The answer would be something like "Don't believe the internet!! The X10 works fine. Try an Update via SEUS... blablabla"
What should we write into that petition? Give us 2.2?
Answer "There will be an Update to 2.1 in Q4... Thank you"
Fix the battery issues
Answer "Thank you very much for your contact, there will be an update try SEUS... blablabla"
Or better "Battery issues? Don't belive the internet!"
I think it's very poor that such a big company doen't care at all about their customers. If SE doen't come up with some ass kicking updates in the next months this was my last SE device.
Android 2.2 Froyo, UXP & Multitouch for Xperia X10 in Q1 2011
Real or Fake?
http://gadgets.apnafundaz.com/2010/11/android-2-2-froyo-uxp-multitouch-for-xperia-x10-in-q1-2011-bert-nordberg-ceo-sony-ericsson-or-fake-id/
Oh God, I hope that's not your website, because that design is absolutely hideous, the writing is terrible, the site is over-cluttered with ads, and he doesn't even link to the original tweet.
Also: Look at the actual twitter account.
First hint it's fake? The writing is grammatically poor.
Second (more obvious hint it's fake): "Twitter for Blackberry", because he wouldn't use his own products on Android or Symbian
Third hint: It's not a Verified Account
Fourth hint: All the people he's following are Indonesian. Do you think the CEO of a Global Company would only follow a bunch of people from Indonesia?
Anyway, it looks like some ****stirrer trying to stir up some ****. Sigh.
Yeah fake and the website sucks too. My browser stuck
Now that's what I like to call a Suckathon.
Umm there actually is a multitouch update coming out in Q1 2011... that part was not fake.
That twitter account already disappeared so yeah, fake.
And leave Manish's site alone
i can live with single touch... anyway, i'm have been using my x10 single handedly...
I have heard the same thing from a friend that work at SE in Sweden actualy, but it´s still just a rumor. She can not tell me exactly what it is because she knows that i hang around forums like this and she do not trust me that i wont tell. I have also heard that it is a chance that android 2.3 will be on x10 in the beginning of next year. But it is just rumor, SE is good to keep there secrets.
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I have heard the same thing from a friend that work at SE in Sweden actualy, but it´s still just a rumor. She can not tell me exactly what it is because she knows that i hang around forums like this and she do not trust me that i wont tell. I have also heard that it is a chance that android 2.3 will be on x10 in the beginning of next year. But it is just rumor, SE is good to keep there secrets.
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I'd totally marry her for this info. HAHA.just.kidding
UK SE on facebook confirmed the twitter account is fake......
From the "official" blog on the SE site:
Pinch Zoom "The timing for this update is still a bit work in progress but it will for most markets be during Q1 next year" Here for full details http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/11/17/work-ongoing-on-pinch-zoom-for-xperia-x10/ there are some limitations on function.
UXP "Sony Ericsson Xperia™ X10 to get UXP upgrade in Q4 2010" full details
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...on-xperia™-x10-to-get-uxp-upgrade-in-q4-2010/
not really fussed eitherway, im running the AOSP 2.2 rom most of the time these days!
Thanks Zdzihu
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UK SE on facebook confirmed the twitter account is fake......
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Did they deny what's coming in the update though? Would really like just 2.2 on x10...
Multi-touch is real and there is another update coming out in Q1 2011... though it isn't 2.2. It's just an expansion to the current 2.1. will probably change our firmware version from 2.1 Update-1 to 2.1 Update-2 or something.
I label this as FAKE
While I was browsing, I found this!!!
http://www.slashgear.com/sony-ericsson-confirm-no-froyo-for-xperia-x10-06123921/
they said there will be no froyo or gingerbread update for the Xperia Line up!!! Ohno!!!
We all know that. It`s confirmed after the announce of the Xperia Arc
wow
that is like news old like 6 months... even sony-ericsson guy on their blog wrote that... becouse they are pushing some new PSP phone... or something like that...
so sadddddd
not dev related, moved to general
Best, DK
SE don't want to update their current android phones because of marketing.
people will have to buy xperia arc to get android 2.3. good for their bussiness. this is how it's work.
propc said:
SE don't want to update their current android phones because of marketing.
people will have to buy xperia arc to get android 2.3. good for their bussiness. this is how it's work.
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That's how it works for them, not necessarily for the rest of the industry.
There are phones with worse hardware than the Xperia series which have been given Android 2.2 updates.
IOTW, they **** on their current customers and profit on them. Nothing else.
Its not everything bad.
We can get all that have 2.2 by root phone and we will get multytouch actually we already get it.
They uploaded firmware with multytouch.
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Its not everything bad.
We can get all that have 2.2 by root phone and we will get multytouch actually we already get it.
They uploaded firmware with multytouch.
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that would be good
please support us,for new fw updates for the X8 and X10 family
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I am for.
What I find most annoying is that SE seems to have forgotten they made the x8 entirely.
I'm not even sure if the x8 is considered "part of the x10 family" or not. I can make semi-informed guesses, but there's no official word to clarify this.
thats bad....
Sony mentioned the x10, mini and mini pro and forgot to mention the X8..??
either they r gonna bring froyo to X8 (which i m think is never gonna happen) or they dont think X8 is important enough to mention..!!
I had tweeted SEAnswers about the Xperia X8 and this is what they had to say, I quote "There may be updates to software, however we will not be upgrading past 2.1 OS".Check the Discussions on their Facebook page, no further updates to the Android version.
So... since the x8 was originally intended to launch with 2.1, this pretty much makes the life-span of this particular device... Dead on Arrival.
It's a fine device, but the policy that comes with it is just utter rubbish.
Found on twitter Brazil and linked to "complain here" reclameaqui.com website. I had to use google translate, but it seems some regions may be discussing getting official 2.3 in Q4 2011.
Edit: SE Brazil withdrew statement the next day saying the Arc would have 2.3 and older devices will stay on current Android OS. I was really hoping SE had a change of heart. Instead, they quickly confirmed we are on our own. Oh well, Sorry Guys
Edit March 24, 2011: Sony Ericsson released statement that due to consumer response and development of Gingerbread for the Arc and Play has allowed SE to bring 2.3.3 update to the X10. Update scheduled for end of Q2-beginning of Q3 2011(june/july).
Edit June 15, 2011: SE Brazil releases statement that multitouch will be implemented in the 2.3.3 update, allowing for 3D maps etc. Some people speculate that SE Brazil is talking about dualtouch. However, SE addresses this in the comments saying that SE knows the difference between dualtouch and multitouch.
SE translated statements:
This is the SE response to an upset Brazilian X10 user who was publicly complaining to SE about the lack of updates to 2.2 on a well known Brazilian website. Click on the link at the bottom of this post for the entire post.
***Firm's Response Tuesday, February 1, 2011 - 19:20
We reported that Sony Ericsson will not release the 2.2 version of Android, but the 2.3 which is expected in October 2011, we note that the decisions to upgrade part of meetings and agreements between Sony Ericsson and Google Android holds, the client can follow Sony Ericsson's website for news about updates.
Thanks for the site and Sra.Mara Complain Here for the opportunity to assist our customers, we guarantee that Sony Ericsson is constantly striving to improve our products and services. For that we make available to us by phone: 08008840444 or 0XX114001-0444 Monday through Saturday from 08:00 to 20:00. If you can not complete the call, simply add the number of operator + + DDD in your city 4001-0444. Our office hours are Monday through Saturday from 08:00 to 20:00, except holidays. And learn about our site www.sonyericsson.com.br.
***Final consideration of the Company
Regarding questions on the upgrade of the line Xperia smartphone to version 2.2 of Android, Sony Ericsson announced that in 2011 the company will focus efforts on its new line of Xperia handsets that come with the most current version of Android 2.3 from the product Xperia (tm) Arc. The devices that are already in the portfolio company's released so far, will keep the version 2.1 of the Android operating system, updated in December 2010, and it offers unique features entertainment such as video recording in HD, plus access to thousands new applications and a unique user experience with graphical user interfaces richer. The update for Android 2.1 is available on the company website through the link sonyericsson.com / support.
http://www.reclameaqui.com.br/10319...o-com-os-consumidores-xperia-x10-nunca-compr/
****June 15, 2011- SE Brazil posts on their blog.....
With the update release date approaching, many readers want to know what changes, what changes and what will not happen with the Xperia ™ X10.
Thinking about it, the Preview will make a series of posts about these key points. The goal is to answer the questions as the information is released by Sony Ericsson.
The first point: the long awaited multi-touch will be included in the update for the Gingerbread (Android 2.3). So a lot of apps that already run perfectly in version 2.1 of the system, gain new functions.
For example, Google Maps, you can change the perspective and view of the map even more clearly the projection of the 3D buildings, when they become available in the area that is viewed by the user.
Preview Track for more important points explained, as the changes and what does not change the operation of the X10. Until then.
I think there'll be a message from Sony which says: The information from SE Brazil is wrong, there won't be any updates.
But it would be cool to get that update.
doesn't 2.3 require 512mb ram?
There's a 2.3 custom rom for the X10, so it works fine with less than 512MB.
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Not positive, but at least the regional branches are being receptive to the idea.
This answer is a little vague... there will be updates, but it is not clear if it is going to show up on X10... maybe they are talking about Xperia arc...
no, android 2.3 hasnt got any official requierments
512MB ram was just hoax
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This answer is a little vague... there will be updates, but it is not clear if it is going to show up on X10... maybe they are talking about Xperia arc...
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The Arc is coming with 2.3, so it wouldn't be updated to gingerbread. Also, the SE response it to an X10 owner not happy about not updating to 2.2.
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Found on twitter Brazil. I had to use google translate, but it seems some regions may be discussing getting official 2.3 in Q4 2011.
***Firm's Response Tuesday, February 1, 2011 - 19:20
We reported that Sony Ericsson will not release the 2.2 version of Android, but the 2.3 which is expected in October 2011,.
http://www.reclameaqui.com.br/10319...o-com-os-consumidores-xperia-x10-nunca-compr/
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A long way off. But it would be nice if they confirm that 2.3 is still on the table and being discussed.
Let's see how it ends
I think it's not real
until Nov 2011 we will have cracked bootloader and Android 4.0 LOL :-D
Wow.. I'm from Brazil and I didn't see that.
It really says "We reported that Sony Ericsson will not release the 2.2 version of Android, but the 2.3 which is expected in October 2011" but I think this is 100% bull**** from the PR person just to shut the customer complain down. Most companies does that on this site.
"...but the 2.3 which is expected in October 2011..."
I really, really, really, really doubt this. Like, why such a random month like October? It's 8 months from now till October, so wtf...
Well, you know it took about 4 months to release 435 FW, with crappy Mediascape pinchzooming and calendar...
So I don't surprised if it would take a year to rollout a 2.3 for SEX10. But I would really surprised if they do this ever ))
Amazing surprise
although im becoming happier with my phone every time i use it. I would love to get 2.3 on here.
After analyzing this, I have a conclusion: it isn't real.
I have some points to say that.
1. SE says that X10 running 2.1 delivers a full good experience for the users, so they'll rather to keep it in that way. They'd supposedly have problems developing a 2.2 version (I think that's just an excuse but... meh), so working in 2.3 for X10 means even more problems for them. They just won't make the effort.
2. I think X10 will be supported only until june or july. Then SE will start to work in the possible next Android version (2.4?) BUT only for Arc, Neo and PlayStation phone. But, in case that an update comes in Q4 of 2011 for X10 it won't be Gingerbread for sure, most likely another ROM build version with some improvements.
3. I don't know about any company to be interested on upgrading a phone that originally came with 1.6 to 2.3, no matter if the phone could be capable to run it. SE won't be the first.
So... Sorry guys, but this will not happen. I had the little hope too when I saw the new.
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After analyzing this, I have a conclusion: it isn't real.
I have some points to say that.
1. SE says that X10 running 2.1 delivers a full good experience for the users, so they'll rather to keep it in that way. They'd supposedly have problems developing a 2.2 version (I think that's just an excuse but... meh), so working in 2.3 for X10 means even more problems for them. They just won't make the effort.
2. I think X10 will be supported only until june or july. Then SE will start to work in the possible next Android version (2.4?) BUT only for Arc, Neo and PlayStation phone. But, in case that an update comes in Q4 of 2011 for X10 it won't be Gingerbread for sure, most likely another ROM build version with some improvements.
3. I don't know about any company to be interested on upgrading a phone that originally came with 1.6 to 2.3, no matter if the phone could be capable to run it. SE won't be the first.
So... Sorry guys, but this will not happen. I had the little hope too when I saw the new.
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Ok Macgyver. Yesterday you were a musician, today you're a investigative detective. What do you mean it isn't real?
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Ok Macgyver. Yesterday you were a musician, today you're a investigative detective. What do you mean it isn't real?
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Im a musician, not a detective
Let's just see the reality, mah friend. That just can't be possible. If we think that'll be true, when it doesn't happen a lot of ppl will be very frustrated.
I thank you for the new, as I said, I had a hope, but in this case is hope vs. logic.