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So what is the difference between this and the simple root process. It seems the new unrevoked will allow you to install custom roms, so if that's all you want, is there a reason to do the simple root?
Also, in the faq- it says it only unlocks nand flash long enough to put the custom recovery (clockwork) on the phone- what are the implications of that? I was confused because it says with clockwork you can still do nandroid backups. So what do you lose out on with NAND still being locked

i just saw their update and looks like the main page has stopped working...i prefer the original app simple root method as that is what i have on my evo now. its easier than flashing, etc etc. and suits what i need.

IceCreaMan said:
i just saw their update and looks like the main page has stopped working...i prefer the original app simple root method as that is what i have on my evo now. its easier than flashing, etc etc. and suits what i need.
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It doesn't seem to work with my phone with the latest software update.

Bobby_C said:
It doesn't seem to work with my phone with the latest software update.
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I think the root and clockworkmod recovery are both done using the unrevoked3 program, on your computer. No more rooting from your phone's browser.
If you're going to do this, you might as well just do the simple root, just don't update your wimax radio because you'll be ****ed-4g-less.

Does flashing a rom unroot a rooted phone???

So I rooted my phone with one click method, changed rom, also because I wanted an unrooted phone again, but it seems that even though I flash a new room I always stay rooted??? Am I doing something wrong??? I thought that flashing a new rom was supposed to restore factory defaults including an unrooted device. Am I wrong??? I started with a XXJID whent to XWJJ4 to XXJK1 and back to XXJID, but it always stays rooted... I want to unroot my phone can anyone help me out please

yes it does, once the custome roms are created they will generally be released rooted to save you the effort.

retroqwe said:
yes it does, once the custome roms are created they will generally be released rooted to save you the effort.
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Thanks, so what must I do to unroot my phone?? tried the one click metod and it does not work...

Curious as to why you want to un-root it?

shollywood said:
Curious as to why you want to un-root it?
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Because i am curios as well and should the need arise I see it is not as simple as all that.

There is no reason whatsoever to unroot. But yes, flashing a new firmware will unroot your tab as it would any other device.

ftgg99 said:
There is no reason whatsoever to unroot. But yes, flashing a new firmware will unroot your tab as it would any other device.
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Not true, I have flashed many roms and always stays rooted

That, my man, is because the roms you were flashing already included su permissions... a new firmware will completely replace the entire filesystem, all settings included. And there are no customised firmwares for the tab atm.
EDIT: just realised you are attempting to answer your own question lol

ftgg99 said:
That, my man, is because the roms you were flashing already included su permissions... a new firmware will completely replace the entire filesystem, all settings included. And there are no customised firmwares for the tab atm.
EDIT: just realised you are attempting to answer your own question lol
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Wait a moment, I dont get it???? Are you telling me that whoever flashes a Rom from Samfirmware is in fact installing a firmware with root access already installed??? I didn't realize this, but looking at the results of my flashes I guess you must be right

I had to manually root my JK1 ROM after flashing.

I'm saying this shouldn't be happening. Probably its the recovery you need to replace. I'm not sure if its partition gets wiped with Sammy firmwares. I'm not doing any flashing yet as I see no point.

The rom XWJJ4/XXJK1 uses a different partition schema as XXJID used, where XWJJ4 and its successors uses "P1" .PIT file, and XXJID uses "816" .PIT file. Maybe the issue comes from this.

Zeron.Wong said:
The rom XWJJ4/XXJK1 uses a different partition schema as XXJID used, where XWJJ4 and its successors uses "P1" .PIT file, and XXJID uses "816" .PIT file. Maybe the issue comes from this.
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Perhaps, but from what I understand the XXJID uses "no repartition" to install, so the pit is actually not used when putting on this firmware... I wonder which firmware actually uses this same repartition. I used JHA before putting on JID, and I would have thought this used the same repartition, but still signs of a rooted phone. From what "ftgg99" said I wonder where the roms from samfirmware come from. I guess other devices from were the roms have been extracted, and to extract a rom from a device I think you need root acess, so that is why I am getting leftovers of rooted phones on these roms, namely the SU file which gives me the rom as rooted when I go and check the firmware. I saw that Kies fortunately sees my device as normal so I hope that when an official update will come along there will be no problems with the official upgrade...

Well, flashing a ROM outside of OTA updates invalidates the warranty, so does rooting, if we believe this article:
MOD EDIT:Wait until further instructions.DO NOT EDIT THE POST W/O MY PERMISSION.
Hack only if you can afford the consequences !

Moddage ftw. Super one click modifies the recovery partition, so to lose root you will have to replace it with the original.
So, can we please get the original recovery?

Superoneclick has a unroot function that we may wish it will "restore the original one". While a root guide posted by "chowdarygm" indicated that after unrooting the device that was rooted by superoneclick before, he can't root it again by using the same tool, and have to reflash the rom to make it under control. Given this, the root tool itself is not as perfect as we wished yet, especially with the "rollback" mechanism.

Thanks for this thread you guys, i have Samsung A9 PRO 2016 and flashed magisk patched rom to it, but i have problem the Magisk don't detect instalation and Banking app don't work cause magisk can't hide no settings to do it. Also my apps starts breaking and stopping.

New Firmware Update

So asus put out the new firmware update. I figured i have to unroot to install it, but can I root again after updating?

Yes - be warned custom kernel's will make unrooting difficult.

ensign.fodder said:
Yes - be warned custom kernel's will make unrooting difficult.
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i didnt have a custom ROM on it if thats what you meant, but either way for some reason it wasnt updating. i unrooted using the universal root toolkit that i used to root, but it would download the update, install like a third of the way, then stop and sit at a black screen with an exclamation mark and the android until i hard reset back to normal operation. i installed a custom ROM instead now

I didn't have to unroot. See post #111
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1332583&page=12

xneogenx said:
So asus put out the new firmware update. I figured i have to unroot to install it, but can I root again after updating?
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In my experience with the past few updates, rooting alone doesn't prevent the update from installing; but if you install CWM while/after rooting, that DOES seem to prevent it. After removing CWM a while back, I can update file while rooted. I do have to re-apply the rooting afterward though. I use the bootable CD that someone created an ISO for and posted here a while back. Works great and reliably so far.

xneogenx said:
i didnt have a custom ROM on it if thats what you meant, but either way for some reason it wasnt updating. i unrooted using the universal root toolkit that i used to root, but it would download the update, install like a third of the way, then stop and sit at a black screen with an exclamation mark and the android until i hard reset back to normal operation. i installed a custom ROM instead now
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I've never rooted mine and I've never put on a custom ROM, but I have the same problem. It says there is a new firmware. It downloads fine, but only installs to about 1/4 of the way before it fails with a big yellow exclamation point. I've even restored to factory defaults and it was the same.

[Q] Best first steps with a new tablet

Ultra Noob here
So I had my first android-TF700 for about 10 days. Played around with it, read around this site and realized it was a tablet for someone with experience.
So I now have an N10. Charged, not even turned on yet. What should be my next steps? I see a couple toolkits,an auto root, and ASOP-
What would you suggest a noob start with?
I know, I know, turn it on
Thanks!

Depends on what you want to accomplish with the device. If you want to try or at least gain some understanding as to the different features you might be interested in, read the first post of the different ROMs available and see if anything sounds enticing.
I personally use me for taking media with me on the go, be it news or videos, so I don't have to carry a laptop around. I'm on CM10.1 right now but cycle through every rom to see how everything works. Good luck!
Sent from my Nexus 10 using XDA Premium HD app

First step is unlocking the bootloader and installing root and a custom recovery. Even if you don't need it at the moment there will come the time you want to try it. When you unlock the bootloader you will lose all your data so it's the best if you do it at first when you get your tablet.

rauschkugl said:
First step is unlocking the bootloader and installing root and a custom recovery. Even if you don't need it at the moment there will come the time you want to try it. When you unlock the bootloader you will lose all your data so it's the best if you do it at first when you get your tablet.
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And how do you unlock the bootloader and install root?
What do you mean a custom recovery?
Are there other ways to root the device with out wiping it? Seems like most android smartphone you can load up an exe or something to shift the su app around or something.
Thanks.. (still waiting for my N10 to arrive.. meanwhile.. still playing with my ICS Bionic)

There are tons of threads here about unlocking the bootloader, rooting and installing a recovery like teamwin or clockworkmod.

rauschkugl said:
There are tons of threads here about unlocking the bootloader, rooting and installing a recovery like teamwin or clockworkmod.
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Found the threads. Look easy enough to follow. Something I'm not understanding . What does it mean to install a recovery? whats the purpose of that. I've search and (at least not yet) found a good description of what/why that it. I'm sensing that devices are different (duh!) and I didnt need to install a "recovery" on my Droid Bionic when I rooted it, but this N10 must be different.

With the custom recovery you're able to install zip files, make a backup of your Rom,... You can't do that with the recovery that comes with the nexus 10.

Recovery is like a separate system that you can boot to, if you want to mess with the main Android OS. Like rauschkugl said, you can boot to a custom recovery to flash different ROMs that are distributed in flashable ZIP files. You can also make (or if anything goes wrong, revert to) a complete backup of the device's internal memory.

Ok I am rooted and unlocked with mskip's awesome toolkit and DroidModderX video which really helped.
I picked all in one click option and choose TWRP. I fell asleep when I got to TWRP, so I guess I will have to reboot to the recovery page to pull it up.
After that I have no idea what to do I really haven't played with the N10 much. I was planning to leave it stock for awhile (as suggested by rauschkugl).
Do I need to do any backup or anything with TWRP if it's a new tablet? if so what and how ? Please point me to a tutorial for noob types.
Other question is I have a system update and 6 new updates waiting for me to install, can I go ahead and do that rooted and unlocked with stock ROM and no TWRP backup yet?
Thanks!

EraVulgaris said:
Ok I am rooted and unlocked with mskip's awesome toolkit and DroidModderX video which really helped.
I picked all in one click option and choose TWRP. I fell asleep when I got to TWRP, so I guess I will have to reboot to the recovery page to pull it up.
After that I have no idea what to do I really haven't played with the N10 much. I was planning to leave it stock for awhile (as suggested by rauschkugl).
Do I need to do any backup or anything with TWRP if it's a new tablet? if so what and how ? Please point me to a tutorial for noob types.
Other question is I have a system update and 6 new updates waiting for me to install, can I go ahead and do that rooted and unlocked with stock ROM and no TWRP backup yet?
Thanks!
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Great questions. You are one step ahead of me on my new N10. I've not turned it on yet, really wanting to, but I dont want to do much to it, until after I unlock/root/ and learn how to make backups. Though since i've got a TBpro license, I'll probably use that. I dont want to tweak the OS. so I think I need root just to be able to run TBpro. I just want to be sure I'll still get OFA updates, and I want to learn more about if and how backup work for a multi-user N10.

EraVulgaris said:
Ok I am rooted and unlocked with mskip's awesome toolkit and DroidModderX video which really helped.
I picked all in one click option and choose TWRP. I fell asleep when I got to TWRP, so I guess I will have to reboot to the recovery page to pull it up.
After that I have no idea what to do I really haven't played with the N10 much. I was planning to leave it stock for awhile (as suggested by rauschkugl).
Do I need to do any backup or anything with TWRP if it's a new tablet? if so what and how ? Please point me to a tutorial for noob types.
Other question is I have a system update and 6 new updates waiting for me to install, can I go ahead and do that rooted and unlocked with stock ROM and no TWRP backup yet?
Thanks!
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I would suggest straight away that you perform a backup with TWRP, so that if you decide to delve deeper into ROMs and playing with your system files, you'll have a completely stock backup to rely on. Simply boot into recovery and select 'Backup', then you can rename the backup file if you want, then swipe the slider across and wait, then you're done!
When it comes to system updates, you'll most likely have to use your root toolkit to unroot the device, else the update will fail. You can however continue to update all your apps as you normally would. Hope this helped

OK
So I kinda started from the beginning of Droid ModderX's video, picked yes to update the toolkit i had donated- (got an update) accessed TWRP (pain to get to- could I download goomanager now after I have TWRP?) and backed up my stock set up just as you said Huggogguh :good:.
Then I went ahead and touched "install system update" that was hanging around in the upper left corner of my tablet (I'm being really specific for other noobs) and it updated my system to 4.2.1 and my apps. Build number changed to JOP4OD
Looked at root checker app. I am now not rooted, so I will go back through toolkit and choose 4 once I am in fastboot mode to reroot I hope:fingers-crossed:.
Thanks!

EraVulgaris said:
OK
So I kinda started from the beginning of Droid ModderX's video, picked yes to update the toolkit i had donated- (got an update) accessed TWRP (pain to get to- could I download goomanager now after I have TWRP?) and backed up my stock set up just as you said Huggogguh :good:.
Then I went ahead and touched "install system update" that was hanging around in the upper left corner of my tablet (I'm being really specific for other noobs) and it updated my system to 4.2.1 and my apps. Build number changed to JOP4OD
Looked at root checker app. I am now not rooted, so I will go back through toolkit and choose 4 once I am in fastboot mode to reroot I hope:fingers-crossed:.
Thanks!
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Sounds like a great success then so are you saying that you performed the system update while you were rooted and you retained the root access?

Nope. Got the OTA system update and it knocked me off root. But I got it back easily with the toolkit.

OTA Custom Recovery Misconception

Is it a misconception that an OTA update received on your phone will not install if you have a custom recovery? I just read an article on how an update will fail if you are running a custom recovery. However, when I updated from 4.2.1 to 4.2.2.. All I did was accept the OTA update notification I got on my phone and it installed fine through the TWRP recovery I had flashed on my Nexus.

It won't install automatically, as you found out. It has been said many times over that you are easily able to install the downloaded OTA yourself in your custom recovery.

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It won't install automatically, as you found out. It has been said many times over that you are easily able to install the downloaded OTA yourself in your custom recovery.
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Sorry maybe I didnt word my post correctly but what I am trying to say that it does install automatically. I got the update notification on my phone and it installed fine.

Rizy7 said:
Sorry maybe I didnt word my post correctly but what I am trying to say that it does install automatically. I got the update notification on my phone and it installed fine.
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Yes its not new info as this has been discussed before in a number of threads back when the last OTA first came out.

Had a similar question, and in the spirit of not starting a new thread...
was this OTA just lucky in that regard?
ie. I want to root (for ads.. no other compelling reason for me.. I'm happy otherwise).. and would like to do so in a way that makes me as forward compatible for future OTA updates (ie. don't want to have to wipe data).
since I'm not looking for lots of typical custom recovery features, I'm wondering if I should even bother with a custom recovery.. and/or if any are likely to allow me to accept OTAs directly OTA.
thanks!

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Had a similar question, and in the spirit of not starting a new thread...
was this OTA just lucky in that regard?
ie. I want to root (for ads.. no other compelling reason for me.. I'm happy otherwise).. and would like to do so in a way that makes me as forward compatible for future OTA updates (ie. don't want to have to wipe data).
since I'm not looking for lots of typical custom recovery features, I'm wondering if I should even bother with a custom recovery.. and/or if any are likely to allow me to accept OTAs directly OTA.
thanks!
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Rooting your phone does not keep you from being able to update it. If all else fails you can always download the OTA and update it through your custom recovery. Which is what a lot of people did instead of waiting for Google to push it to their phone, myself included. Also you don't have to have a custom recovery installed if you don't want to after you root the phone. You could use one of the toolkit's to root it and it will install a temporary custom recovery used just for rooting then remove it when its done. Or just flash the stock recovery image after you root if you do it another way. If you go through the process of rooting I would recommend unlocking the bootloader too while you are at it but be warned this will erase all your memory so backup first.