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This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?
I don't think they can actually push a OTW update.....
barnacles10 said:
This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?
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It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other potential nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found. This fully depends on whether old method is patched.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.
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It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.
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Couldn't have said it better myself! I would just suggest waiting until the cook of your preference updates his to include items from the official release.
And the single most important reason: No nandroid. Having a point in time backup is insanely important to me. If I ever have to return my phone and get a refurb, it's nice to know I've got a nandroid that will get me right back to where I was before I turned in my phone.
It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.
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It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL
Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?
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Not possible if the Hboot updates, which it probably will. Those here who tried the test leak 2.1 ruu.exe were unable to run the 1.56 ruu after.
There is an alternative to restore everything except the hboot from the 1.56 ruu here, but you cannot simply run the .exe. This method won't work if the official build has patched the ability to gain root (you won't be able to nandroid). In that case you will be stuck with official 2.1 only.
BTW, speaking from experience with the test build, ruu, hboot, etc.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL
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Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
Good to know, would've been awful to have to wait for new root hack just because I tried the new and shiny!
Guess I will sit back and wait for dev magic before I jump the gun.
Sawawa said:
Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
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Mater of semantics, politics, and Ideaologies.
Google has a half belief here, they like open, but they protect that damn search algorithim like its a sacred scripture - Last count I think 8 people on earth knew exactly how it worked.
So the disadvantage to google would be ungodly competition if it was released. Proprietary stuff is a win if you look for profits. Again...depends on which side of the spectrum you are on. Points can be argued either way.
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It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
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I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.
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I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.
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THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!
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THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!
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ROFL. . . you don't have unlimited text?
lol I would hope having a hero you would have unlimited data and texts
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yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.
yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.
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lol! that's great.. ever since sprint gave us that free mobile to mobile in any network I do not bother checking minutes or texts. unless my bill changes.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one.
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Why is it that people still think open source means insecure? I don't claim to know how previous rooting techniques exploit Android, but I do know that 2 Linux distros have a higher government security rating than any other operating system. I assume most weaknesses in android have to do with the recovery and/or update code, which has nothing to do with Linux.
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Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
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It IS when HTC bogards it from us and hordes it like cookie monster does cookies. I thought open source meant OPEN SOURCE. Ahh, who knows i probably misunderstood the whole concept
I know if you all are like me, even though we have the new 2.1, want to be rooted. I hope someone figures out how to root the new update soon. I miss some of the apps for root I was using. If anyone hears anything about successfully rooting, Please Post.
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I know if you all are like me, even though we have the new 2.1, want to be rooted. I hope someone figures out how to root the new update soon. I miss some of the apps for root I was using. If anyone hears anything about successfully rooting, Please Post.
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According to Flipz, the md5 on the official 2.1 matched his 2.1 leak, so if you had the fresh 2.1.1 rom installed, that was the official update.
Should've waited, or at least read some of the posts. Some of the devs on here are not going to try to patch it since the leak came out days ago.
Hopefully someone will patch it with root, and you can flash it eventually.
For now, you'll have to deal without root.
Not to be offensive or anything but anyone who flashes a Ruu and loses root when the same ruu was available 2 weeks prior with root is very very..$HOME = /dev/null
Like pressing a big red button when asked not to.
i hope they root 2.1 as well because you know i want to have a root 2.1.. oh wait i already do.
How much of a threat is the OTA/radio to future roms and rooting. I want to flash but not if it will jeopardize future endeavors....unrevoked twitter says not to...
As for the official ota that will be pushed by verizon I would not install it until unrevoked took a look at it, the leaked ota can be returned to stock and is fairly safe if you know what you are doing and have taken some time to read.
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jbizzle, MachString's right. Its safe to update to leaked OTA 2.2, and you don't lose root in the process. I recommend SkyRaider 2.0.1 once you've installed the leaked OTA 2.2 Radio and ROM as it's De-Odexed and give a much needed boost of performance w/ CityID and Footprints removed. Follow the steps to update to Leaked 2.2 and then download ROM Manager from Android Market and install SkyRaider 2.0.1 that way
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I am no stranger to rooting or to modified ROMs. I will tell you that I am not installing the "buggy beta" that everyone else has jumped on.
Personally, my plan of attack is to wait until unrEVOked gets the real OTA and sees if they can root it. If they can, then this is a no brainer ... avoid the "buggy beta" at all costs, install the pure ota with the proper radio, and root.
If unrEVOked cannot break it; then its a different question and up to your tastes.
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I am no stranger to rooting or to modified ROMs. I will tell you that I am not installing the "buggy beta" that everyone else has jumped on.
Personally, my plan of attack is to wait until unrEVOked gets the real OTA and sees if they can root it. If they can, then this is a no brainer ... avoid the "buggy beta" at all costs, install the pure ota with the proper radio, and root.
If unrEVOked cannot break it; then its a different question and up to your tastes.
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Its actually not too buggy. I understand your perspective, but I encourage you to give the rom a try for yourself. Its reversible!
There is also a thread in the dev section outlining all of the confirmed bugs. All of which are minor, and most have been patched. There are no deal breakers here.
The only potential for failure lies within flashing the radio. Do your research on the process.
It's very usable for me.
It is very usable. I even made a Rom based on it.
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I'm actually surprised how many posts there are about the Leaked 2.2
Personally, I'd wait until the official one is released and then wait until it can be installed without the OTA. Then you preserve your root and other capabilities.
For those who can afford to mess up their phone and play with new stuff, I can understand... but a lot of people are clearly doing this that shouldn't be.
People who don't have patience, able to read and follow instructions and pull their batteries after waiting a minute or two, shouldn't be doing this.
Also, wait until the official release and try to search for help with all the leaked messages that have been posted. Will make getting real info for the real release harder to find.
Welp
Regrettably, unrEVOked just learned that the 2.2 for the EVO does remove root; and I have to assume that it will be the same for the Incredible. For those of us not willing to use the "buggy beta" this is bad news. I am sure they will be working on it, but it means sitting on 2.1 for a longer time.
I don't see how people are saying the beta is buggy. I've used it, I've used.sky raider.2.0, and I have developed and tested a Rom based off of it, jdfroyo v1
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I don't see how people are saying the beta is buggy. I've used it, I've used.sky raider.2.0, and I have developed and tested a Rom based off of it, jdfroyo v1
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No major bugs here either, but the beta does seem to drain my battery like crazy fast and the Temp was higher than normal, I just flashed back to 2.1 to see if there will be a difference.
Edit: back on 2.1 and the battery usage seems much better and cooler, on 2.2 it was around 105°F and on 2.1 around 97.7°F
Huh?
jdkoreclipse said:
I don't see how people are saying the beta is buggy. I've used it, I've used.sky raider.2.0, and I have developed and tested a Rom based off of it, jdfroyo v1
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Really?
LEAKED Stock 2.2 ROM - **CONFIRMED BUGS**
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738634
[PATCH] Bug fixes for leaked Froyo -- Updated v3 (Fixes Gmail, Market & Superuser)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738799
Leaked 2.2 Data Connectivity Issues
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738995
At least they changed the topic heading of the original release thread to say "Some Bugs".
I am not going to preach from the mountaintop here ... people want to go thru these fairly dangerous hurdles to install the bugged rom, they can go for it. This is 1 cliff I ain't leaping off of (at least while there is hope that the real 2.2 will be shortly released and hopefully rooted)
I stumbled across a page a few days ago, and someone said that if you take the 2.2 update through Sprint, you'll lose your root (I know this part) but he also said you won't be able to root in the future.
Is this true? If so then I'd definitely prefer jumping on a 2.2 ROM and using that instead of receiving the update via Sprint.
I would like to use the Cyro ROM or whatever, but I don't like the idea of not having my FM radio or 4G etc etc.
Just use Fresh 3.0 (based on 2.2) then you can keep all the HTC/Sprint stuff you want.
Any official updates - past, present, and future - will break root. If you are rooted and don't want to lose root, be patient and wait a couple days for the dudes here to put out a rooted ROM without having to wait for a root exploit. When updating to an official ROM there is a likelihood that there will be no root exploit to discover and thus you will be S.O.L. when it comes to regaining root. Patience.
There are currently several 2.2 ROMs based off of the official leak (but it's supposedly not the final build). Look for the rooted ones by netarchy or whoever.
just give it a few more days. the official v2.2 should go out tomorrow. just don't accept the OTA update.
if you are planning on rooting your phone then do not accept any Over The Air updates (yes OTA can jak ur root). the official comes out on 8/3 so give it till the weekend and you should have updated ROMs using the latest greatest. anyone updating to the leaked version 'should' be ok but will prolly be updating again once their ROM gets the official updates. save yourself the stress and wait til the dust settles...unless ur big into the geeking on your EVO...then just make sure your nandroids are good.
Cyanogen will be nice. however, due to that teams philosophy on using opensource code you may not see 4G as fast as you will with some of our other devs (godspeed to madcoders fingers). I'm probably going to load the Fresh 3.0 ROM later this week...once the dust has settled. i miss my 4G.
If you want to keep root, DO NOT download anything from sprint, only download from XDA and the like.
mrono said:
If you want to keep root, DO NOT download anything from sprint, only download from XDA and the like.
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OTA has been known to cause:
Anal Seepage.
Watch.
Right after someone takes it, they are gonna come here wanting root...
If you do OTA, either wait for Root, or SHUT UP!
Don't whine, don't b!tch, and don't say you didn't know!
I am not in hurry to upgrade to 2.2, I don't mind waiting. I've had my phone two weeks and I've barely rooted it and it's still not even setup the way I want it yet because I know I'll be flashing soon anyways.
Looks like Fresh 3.0 will be the way to go, I'll just wait until a bit after the 3rd so I have the final build.
I downloaded the update just so I could have the file I don't want to actually install it. Anyone know where the file is downloaded too so I can pull it off my phone?
Today I received an OTA system update version 1.82.405.1 on my HDZ.
Does anybody here received or installed it??
And what kind of update is it?
I'm affraid of losing root again, similar like what happend with version 1.72.
I feel like I'm stating the obvious here, but NEVER EVER install an OTA if you have root! I'm sure you know this now from your previous experiance, but just to save you trouble incase you didn't know. As for the update, I'm not sure what it contains, but it seems like an older update as the newest version of virtuous is based on 1.85.72.2.
EDIT: Also suggest reading this if you haven't already: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=875099
Thnx.
But I've read it's safe to flash an OTA update once you've rooted your phone with the Gfree method.
I now running a stock 1.72 rom, rooted with Gfree / psneuter.
In that case I'm not sure, but I wouldn't try it until it's been confirmed to be ok. And while I'm sure you have you're reasons, but why not try out the likes of virtuous? It's pretty much stock sense but with added features and improved performance, and as I said it's also on the latest RUU.
Taking an OTA will *definitely* reduce you to "stock", so even if its safe, it isn't worth it.
Be aware that it *IS POSSIBLE* for an OTA UPDATE to modify your partition 7 and take away radio s-off. The only reason why people tend to say that its safe is ONLY because they never actually HAVE done that.
still i am curious about the content.
i dont need root anymore. DZ is perfectly fine without.
I don't think applying and offical OTA while rooted on a non stock rom is a good idea. If your willing to take the risk, or don't care about loosing root or getting it back if lost. Then try it out. Be the guinea pig because it doesn't look like you will take the advise of the forum you posted anyways.
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whats in the update then??
Yeah I'd like to now too
Just checked, I get the update too....
I don't have s-off or root so I think I am going to download it.
It s 17MB,
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Install the new full ROM,then you don`t loos root and S-Off
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=960149
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romdroid. said:
whats in the update then??
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yes, it is a 17 Mb package. I got it and installed it. (nothing to lose, I have no root, I do not need it, my DZ is PERFECT without it. I have been tweaking and **** before on WinMo, but not now...)
It said it is camera improvements and other small bugfixes.
All I saw is a different sms counter on the icon, it's white numbers on a black circle, nothing special.
I had a busy day, had no time to play around.
The firmware remains 2.2.1.
I will follow up if I find out anything else.
Update: the mentiones sms counter is for a voicemail of course ))) my fault
I've read the album/gallery bugs are fixed. No need to rescan pictures anymore.
found this on another forum
Improve system performance and Camera feature enhancements.
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if any1 got the full release notes , pls post...
wanna know of the sms notification bug is solved!! thats the only thing i hate
No use as the updates are usually non-important and if they are, someone will extract it and you can flash it by itself without the risk.
HTC hasn't yet released official release notes for this update. As already said it should improve camera, system performance, fix some bugs and also improve htcsence.com -functionality.
htc 1.82.405.1 update
I just updated using the OTA update to 1.82.405.1 on my htc desire z (I have stock android).
But now the touch screen is horizontaly mirrored.
Meaning if i click on home the search button is clicked.
If i touch the icons on the left side, the right side icon registers the click.
Only center of the screen is safe
Let me know if anyone else has this issue after the recent updated.
Hopefully there is a solution out there.
UPDATE:
I did 2x hard resets which didnt help.
However a soft reset did the trick and every thing is back to normal.
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But I've read it's safe to flash an OTA update once you've rooted your phone with the Gfree method.
I now running a stock 1.72 rom, rooted with Gfree / psneuter.
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If you already have root/S-OFF, then it's only "safe" once the new release has been verified by the devs as not causing anything bad to happen with your root/S-OFF. e.g. in theory there could be a new OTA released that will permanently lock you out of root/S-OFF.
When the 1.72 OTA first came out, it wasn't rootable for quite a while, so folks with root who accepted the OTA lost their root for some time.
Damn, I am getting the feeling the new update drains the battery faster than 1.72,
phone was about empty at 11pm yesterday, it was plugged in until 8 am...
done nothing the entire day actually...
notification-bug seems to be fixed (yes, new counter for sms/mails/etc) and best part: no jumping screen, when writing sms!!! at least till now...