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I need pros/cons for buying a Touch Dual

I am going to swap cellular carriers and want to buy a Touch Dual. I already have a CDMA Touch and know its features well, but what are the main differences betwenn the touch and the touch dual. I know the dual has a slide out keyboard and a smaller screen, but what else is different. What are your like and dislikes?

I suppose you can easily find out about most of the good/bad features simply by reading one of many reviews available via Google search. So, perhaps I'll try to point out some things that are often left out of reviews.
Touchflo - This is over-hyped. The default Touchcube is quite useless because of the unintuitive choice of shortcuts. Prepare to have to mess around with registry and image files to get the Touchcube the way you want it. Grab-to-scroll is great, but it's nothing exciting nowadays.
The new photo viewer - Also over-hyped. The gestures take time to get used to. Performance is slow if your photo collection gets large. Most importantly, it doesn't allow you to organize your photos in directories. I've since ditched this for Resco's Photo Viewer.
The HTC Home plug-in - Arguably the best Today screen plug-in available.
WM6 - Will offer you limitless customization options if you are willing to take risks with registry and ROM files.
The camera - Almost unusable. Blurry photos unless you steady your hand against a solid object. This is either caused by an extremely slow shutter speed or it's a driver issue. The consensus is that it's the latter. Fortunately, HTC will be releasing proper drivers soon.
Internet Explorer - The default browser is useless. There's a bug that makes viewing large pages painful. The more you scroll away from the top, the more lag you experience with scrolling. Fortunately, there a fix for that here in this forum. Also, you will need to add PIE+ if you want any functionality out of the browser.
HTC Audio Manager - This is quite nice to use personally. Don't understand why some prefer WMP. But I suppose this is a personal preference thing. The sound skips every few minutes. But it's not a big deal.
As a phone, the Touch Dual is a dream come true. There are so many ways to dial. You can use your quick contacts. You can scroll through the contacts list. Or you can simply begin typing your contact's name or number and it will search through your contact list in real-time. This is simply great. Writing SMS and emails are great either with the touch screen or the keypad. Absolutely flawless as a phone.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=368144
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361548
is it that hard to perform a search?

Stay away from the latest HTC phones until they've fixed that driver issue (www.htcclassaction.org).

DaVince said:
Stay away from the latest HTC phones until they've fixed that driver issue (www.htcclassaction.org).
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That's your choice, I like the Dual and feel that is as fast as I need.

bydandie said:
That's your choice, I like the Dual and feel that is as fast as I need.
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Agreed. It has it's flaws. But it is still a sweet device. After some tweaks, I'd it is a joy to use. And if HTC is going to release drivers as speculated, then it's just going to be that much better.

DaVince said:
Stay away from the latest HTC phones until they've fixed that driver issue (www.htcclassaction.org).
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Its only an issue if you're a serious gamer though. And a serious gamer would be more likely to use a different device?

Unfortunately, it's not just with games and video. It's the entire GUI itself. You can't even scroll without getting agitated! Imagine running your PC in safe mode.. Or running your PC with the default VGA drivers.
For those who insist on getting a Niki. Go ahead. you're the one getting screwed anyways.

Thinking of Getting HTC Snap

Hi All,
Sorry for opening a thread.
I wish to find out more from the users over here what do they think of this phone.
Is it recommended for user like me who needs a phone to do lots of emailing.
My previous WM phones are Touch aka Elf and TyTN II aka Kaiser. My current phone is iPhone.
Do i need to flash the ROM to make it faster and lighter??
Thanks in advance...

Unfortunately I do not recommend the Snap anymore. It is just my personal opinion, and I am sure there are many happy users out there.
But I went trough two sets with the same keyboard problem (see my other thread about sticky keys) and many users are reporting the same issue.
I think the screen is too small, and the trackball implementation leaves a lot to be desired. (No proper acceleration, e.g. like on blackberry)
The way Windows leaves the top title bar and bottom menu bar always on the screen further reduces the available real estate for applications.
Yes, Exchange support is great, like any other Windows phone. But if you got used to the huge screen of the iphone you will find the Snap disappointing.
I also have a Blackberry curve, and it's unbeatable for plain messaging.
I cannot not notice the huge Android wave that is about to hit the world, for example the Moto Cliq is going to be a great device (and the inexpensive HTC Tattoo) so my advice is to stay tuned and hold off buying for a couple months.
just my 2c

What Makes Android Better Than Windows Mobile?

I see a lot of threads about Android.
I've never tried converting or even seen it in action but have a question.
How is Android better than Windows Mobile Professional?
Also how is it worse?
Or is it just different?

All I can say is 'try it to believe it.'
I can talk about it on and on, but you are not going to realize what you can get until you try it.

sshark said:
All I can say is 'try it to believe it.'
I can talk about it on and on, but you are not going to realize what you can get until you try it.
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second that. easy enough to dump on your sdcard without even touching your current winmo setup, so try it out and see.

jimt007 said:
I see a lot of threads about Android.
I've never tried converting or even seen it in action but have a question.
How is Android better than Windows Mobile Professional?
Also how is it worse?
Or is it just different?
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Its just better. Really.

Main thing for me, besides that its totally better, is that its finger based. No more silly stylus....

+1.
I just recently went all the way back to the stock sprint 6.1 rom just to see if I could ever live like that again. After spending an hour or so gathering cabs and tweaking everything just to get it to a comfortable state, I realized that all of the things I was trying to do are pretty much already done in even the most basic android builds.
It does come down to preference I suppose, but for me, just signing into my account upon booting android beats digging around for a WMMarketplace cab on a crippled IE browser, cumbersome setups for things like Windows Live, setting up and scheduling active sync, installing replacements for almost every default part of WM.
I really did love windows mobile for a long time. It's certainly one of -if not- the most customizable platforms. If you don't necessarily like how something works in WM, chances are you can do something about it. But that can take time. I was never really that interested in scripting out one of those huge uc files way back when.
The way everything works so well together in android without getting in your way is fantastic, but stop reading this and just trying it!

If you want to get your feet wet:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58383/android.exe
A self-extracting zip file I made to get a friend running Android. It's a all-in-one Haret of zenulator's 1.6 Donut. Just extract the Android folder it contains to your Secure Digital card, then run Haret.exe in Windows Mobile File Explorer. Then hit Run.
For porting contacts from WinMobile to Android, check this:
http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299

You know what? I'm going to quote myself, from another thread:
Pandemic187 said:
Personally, I like Android better than Windows Mobile because:
1. It's significantly faster for me
2. There's more freedom in terms of tweaking it
3. I think it has a MUCH better notification system than WinMo
4. I like the integration with GMail (better than WinMo's Exchange support) and other Google services
5. It has an app market!
These are pretty self explanatory, but I just love the notification system of Android. I was pleasantly surprised to see a weather alert appear in my notification bar after I downloaded the Weather.com app the other day. Everything appears there - including your appointments on your Google Calendar, texts, e-mails - everything. I think it's just great how it's all unified.
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jnadke said:
If you want to get your feet wet:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/58383/android.exe
A self-extracting zip file I made to get a friend running Android. It's a all-in-one Haret of zenulator's 1.6 Donut. Just extract the Android folder it contains to your Secure Digital card, then run Haret.exe in Windows Mobile File Explorer. Then hit Run.
For porting contacts from WinMobile to Android, check this:
http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299
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Thanks.
I installed it without any problems. Nice looking. Very clean interface.
But.... EVERY program that I tried, opened but had no way to back out. I had to soft reset each time. I tried 3 or 4 different things, and nothing let me go back to the main menu. Phone hard keys didn't do what they are supposed to do. After all it is a phone, the hard keys make it easy to call and hang up.
I guess I'm not patient enough to continue to experiment so I just deleted the file and am back to using Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.

jimt007 said:
Thanks.
I installed it without any problems. Nice looking. Very clean interface.
But.... EVERY program that I tried, opened but had no way to back out. I had to soft reset each time. I tried 3 or 4 different things, and nothing let me go back to the main menu. Phone hard keys didn't do what they are supposed to do. After all it is a phone, the hard keys make it easy to call and hang up.
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Power Button = Menu Button
Camera Button = Back Button
Hang-Up Button (long press) = Silence, Airplane, Shutdown
Those should work on every Vogue.

cybik said:
Power Button = Menu Button
Camera Button = Back Button
Hang-Up Button (long press) = Silence, Airplane, Shutdown
Those should work on every Vogue.
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I'd like to give a friend the package above, but he is on a Touch Pro. Would this be good for him to try? or is there something else better?

TheKartus said:
Main thing for me, besides that its totally better, is that its finger based. No more silly stylus....
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lol..huh? I have used Windows Mobile forever and cannot remember the last time I used the stylus...in fact, the only time I use it, is to reset the phone through the little hole.

jimt007 said:
Thanks.
I installed it without any problems. Nice looking. Very clean interface.
But.... EVERY program that I tried, opened but had no way to back out. I had to soft reset each time. I tried 3 or 4 different things, and nothing let me go back to the main menu. Phone hard keys didn't do what they are supposed to do. After all it is a phone, the hard keys make it easy to call and hang up.
I guess I'm not patient enough to continue to experiment so I just deleted the file and am back to using Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.
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Well..........after reading some of the replies I reinstalled Android.
Not to belabor the point but I still don't like it as much as Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.
I would be losing to many things I'm very pleased with for a change to a different operating system.
It's back off again, I'm staying with Windows Mobile Pro 6.1.
If I ever want Android I'll buy an Android phone.

I agree with you about Android, it's not something I would use, but that's just me.
I wouldn't go back to 6.1 though, I'll stay with 6.5.x, it's a lot more finger friendly. The UI graphics on Android is decade behind everybody else. I would need a microscope to see what's on there. That's why HTC developed its own UI. Knowing Google, they probably can make up that decade in a week, but for now its Winmo.
PS you might want to try one of the port/build with SenseUI.

stopthebus said:
I agree with you about Android, it's not something I would use, but that's just me.
I wouldn't go back to 6.1 though, I'll stay with 6.5.x, it's a lot more finger friendly. The UI graphics on Android is decade behind everybody else. I would need a microscope to see what's on there. That's why HTC developed its own UI. Knowing Google, they probably can make up that decade in a week, but for now its Winmo.
PS you might want to try one of the port/build with SenseUI.
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To each their own I suppose - but it really sounds like your config is off or you're using some odd build if you "need a microscope to see what's on there".

plemen said:
To each their own I suppose - but it really sounds like your config is off or you're using some odd build if you "need a microscope to see what's on there".
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I would love to be able to increase the font size on Android. I've play around with both 120 and 160 and different resolutions, but unable to increase the font size to something usable. Any help would be appreciated. I've been scouring the net reading up on Android and trying different builds (last one was eclair 2.0.1) because I was offered the Droid for Xmas. After all the readings and research, I turn down the offer in favor of the trusty old Vogue (being made by Motorola is another reason; every Motorola phones I got, I had to open them up and super glued everything down).
I do appreciate some pointers on increasing the font/widgets size on these test builds.

crobs808 said:
lol..huh? I have used Windows Mobile forever and cannot remember the last time I used the stylus...in fact, the only time I use it, is to reset the phone through the little hole.
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I often got annoyed with certain apps I put in, certain games, or menus and just brought out the stylus.

Well, one thing you always have to keep in mind running Android on the Vogue, is that it is not native to the Vogue. So, there is always going to be little imperfections. I was so impressed by Android on the Vogue, that I bought a G1. So now I run WM6.5 on the Vogue, and Cyanogen's ROMs on my G1. I really will never go back to WM. The only reason I use it now is because I have a contract with Verizon that somebody else pay for. If you really want to be blown away by Android, go to a store and play with a native Android phone. I find content is way more accessible for Android. For an OS that has been out for a very small fraction of the time that WM has been out, it's incredible. Lol, I'm rambling now, point is, try a native Android phone if the Vogue port doesn't suit you. Don't give up on it too easily.

Hello
I am using NFSFAN latest rom on my vogue.Have not tried any android as yet.Honestly,I have not followed it atall.So I am a complete noob to android platform.
So can anybody point me where I can get all the guidanceThanks.

Wow! I don’t mean to sound patronizing but I am genuinely impressed by the quality of responses to this question. Someone actually dared to ask a question about comparing WM vs. Android and there wasn’t any of the typical flame war style responses. Thanks guys! Just one more reason why I like the XDA forums.
I have been looking for a clear and concise answer (or partial answer) on this exact topic myself. I was hoping to get a quantifiable “here’s why I like Android” or “here’s why I like WM” response and I finally found something in this discussion.
I find that a certain anti-Microsoft sentiment often clouds these discussions to the point where they are not useful.
I have been using WM for *years* and develop applications for it. I am also supporting over 50+ Windows Mobile-based devices in the enterprise (warehouse & sales force automation apps). So when people come out and say stuff like “WM is slow, bloated and buggy” I find it an unhelpful response. I just have to chalk their comments up to anti-Microsoft sentiment that is so popular these days.
From this discussion I have a partial conclusion. It seems that the main difference between WM and Android are from a “user experience” perspective. Both of them seem to be reliable robust platforms from an OS perspective. The problem is that the WM interface is dated and heavily stylus oriented. Microsoft’s response to this is to make things “bigger” but not to radically rethink the user interface.
Windows Mobile in its present form bears an uncanny resemblance to Pocket PC 2002. This was designed to compete (and win) against the then popular PalmOS.
Android represents a complete rethink from a user interface perspective. On top of that companies like HTC add their own stuff like SenseUI (on Android) and TouchFLO (on WM) that change the user experience some more. So sometimes that makes the discussion more about the phone manufacturer (HTC vs. Samsung for example) then about the platform itself.
Microsoft is in a tough spot with WM right now. There is a huge install base of mobile business apps running on industrialized PDA’s (stuff like the MC75, MC55, Intermec CN50, etc, etc). The Purolator guys use WM for proof-of-delivery. These types of apps are often custom developed, expensive and have long life cycles. They are not sexy but they get work done.
Radically rethinking the WM user interface would likely break a lot of these types of applications. Everyone knows when switching to Android that their existing WM apps will not run. But everyone expects their existing WM apps from 1998 to run unmodified on the latest version of WM (and surprisingly they often do).
So how does Microsoft keep WM dominant in the business sector while at the same time making it “exciting and sexy” in the rapidly changing consumer marketplace?
Tough spot indeed. I wonder what they will do. I do love the competition from Android (and iPhone) and expect to see cool stuff from WM in the future. I just hope it doesn’t break too many of my 10+ year old apps ;-)
Regards,
The Fish

I want to love my HD2 - help!

Hi Guys
I've had my HD2 for about a week now, and I *really* want to love it, but I'm struggling to bond with it, here's why.
Don't flame me just yet - I'm not an Apple Fanboi. Up until a couple of years ago I used Nokia phones, and I was happy. Then, by chance, I happened to be in New York (I'm from London) when a mate called me and said that iPhones were selling for upto £500 on eBay, and you could get them in NY for half that price. It was a "no-brainer" - I went to the Apple store and bought 4, came home, sold 3 of them and kept one out of curiousity. I'd never had an Apple device of any sort before this, and wasn't a fan - I'm a Windows bloke. (my day job is as a Windows Infrastructure Architect for large businesses). I hated Apple, and the approach they had to the control over their devices. The device was also the first encounter with a decent touch screen - my only encounter before that was an iPaq 4150 + stylus.
So I had this iPhone 8GB, and I learned how to jailbreak and unlock it in the UK. I did not expect to enjoy it much, but I found my self falling for it - the cliché'd phrase kept on applying - "it just worked". Exactly how you expected - everything. When I typed on the keyboard, I rarely made an error. When I browsed the web, I always hit the right link with my fat finger. Life was good - email was clear, intuitive - the right buttons were always "right there". There were drawbacks too (iTunes for starters), but these were sort of OK given the benefits. I had completely fallen in love with the thing.
Over the last couple of years, a good freind of mine had been coming over to the house with various phones to try and impress me. I shoo'd hm away with Blackberry Bolds, Storms, Android G1's and the like. Then, he came round with his latest toy - the HD2.
My first thought was "here we go again", but the more he showed me, the more I liked the look of it. I liked the nice big screen, Activesync email\contacts\calender, the multi-touch screen. I saw the way that the interface had changed from the old tiny "squared of boxes" look of Windows 3.1 to a nice finger freindly "big, modern, finger menus". The more I looked, the more I liked. I struggled a bit with typing on the keyboard, and navigating on the web, but I just thought that I needed to get used to it. It seemed to tick all the boxes. At last, I thought, Windows Mobile has finally come of age. I swallowed my reservations, and took the plunge, recieving my new phone 7 days ago.
Since then, I've had a love/hate relationship. I love the fact that I can actually make/recieve calls at home again (iPhone reception was fine everywhere, except in my house!). I've got a GPS now, and the compass. I love the quality of the camera and the video. I love that I have a flash. Looking forward to getting some great apps for them. I love the whole "smooth" flow of apps like the album for viewing pics and vids. I love that I can plug it in to any PC and install an app right there.
But then i find that there's no central repository for Apps really - Windows Mobile Marketplace is a joke - there's hardly anything on it. I'm left Googling in a hit and miss way for something I want. Which brings me to the next point - touch accuracy. I just can't get used to the screen. It takes me about 5 attempts to click on any given link on a web page, usually I hit the wrong link first, and have to go back a page, then try again. Typing with the on sceen keyboard is a disaster for me. It's like the phone has Parkinson's Desease - I just can't ge the letters I want consistently, and this makes typing a nightmare. it's compounded because when I try and hit the backspace key to correct stuff, I often miss that and end up with more unwanted characters. I don't like the tiny little "x" and "ok" buttons in the top right corner to close apps.
So I thought, "what version of the software have I got? Maybe an update to ROM, Manilla, etc will improve things." I had UK T-Mobile 1.43 ROM, so I looked around and decided that I'd upgrade to Artemis 5.5. This has improved things a bit (nicer control menus for closing apps and menues), but crucially not the way the keyboard and web respond. I also seem to suffer from the "shaking" when dragging a web page up and down, occasionaly. I was videoing a scene the other day, and the video was interupted by a DHCP message, FFS! A DHCP message!!! So the scene was half filmed. What a f*** up.
The whole experience is a real roller coaster, and I *so* want to love this device, but I'm left so exasperated by some of the basics, that I find myself avoiding using it, searching for a laptop instead. And now it seems that Windows Phone 7 will not available for the device. I'm even considering cancelling my contract, and returning the device.
Can anyone use the keyboard and web accurately? Any advice or suggestions, forecasted upgrades or similar that might help?
If you got this far - thanks for listening!

To tweak the links in Opera look in the very first sticky thread in this forum, try some of the other tweaks there too.
The keyboard would be much better with swype, shame it doesn't seem to be available any more

put a 3rd party keyboard (e.g. touchpal reduced my typing errors by more than 50%, or you can use resco keyboard which has an iphone skin by default) and always double tap to zoom before clicking on a link or pinch to zoom for more. that's how I learnt loving this bad boy

you sound to me as if you want to love the HD2 like you loved the Iphone
the thing is every device has its own nuances and niggles, I still yet have to
encounter someone who was actually totally satisfied with their gadget right
from the start up to the very end of its life expectancy.
this is why we have this world wide forum of XDA so people all over the world
with their varied expertise can tweak this and that, improve this and that
you know what i mean.
when I had the device >2 weeks ago, i did not
flash straight away (despite being a junkie with the Touch HD) as I wanted to
get the original feel of the stock 1.66 ROM, I listed down some areas which may
need some improvement. One was the Camera being over exposed with flash
in a dark environment, another was the checker board when scrolling in Opera.
By reading through and searching and participating, I found that Dutty HG 1.1
had most of my problems solved, so I flashed it, and its been almost a week
on and I can say to myself I am a bit happier with it than the Stock 1.66 ROM
I would'nt say i'd be happy with this totally and forever, things out there are improving and developing.
to summarize things it all settles down on how much you stick out and appreciate
any device/gadget. happiness is a fleeting feeling, enjoy each moment
while it unfolds in your eyes and fingers.
that is my little piece for winmo.

ozkaya said:
put a 3rd party keyboard (e.g. touchpal reduced my typing errors by more than 50%, or you can use resco keyboard which has an iphone skin by default) and always double tap to zoom before clicking on a link or pinch to zoom for more. that's how I learnt loving this bad boy
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I always double tap too - Stopped most of the wrong link selecting for me !

don't give up on your typing skills just yet. It took me about 2 months to get used to it, now I'm typing nearly as fast as on a laptop.

screen (over) sensitivity and dodgy key input are the two biggest drawbacks of the hd2.
install bsbtweaks for the screen sensitivity reduction tweak, and using swype (from the omnia, not the t mo one which can cause issues) solved it for me. typing takes a good few weeks to get used to, but gets easier and easier as you get used to it.(typing this on the bus using swype)

sn0rg said:
But then i find that there's no central repository for Apps really - Windows Mobile Marketplace is a joke - there's hardly anything on it. I'm left Googling in a hit and miss way for something I want.
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Try OpnMarket for apps. Marketplace indeed is a joke...
As for the rest; don't give up yet. I had the same issues as you do now regarding typing and generally touch interface. I'm running Tom's ROM right now and I find typing is much improved compared to 1.48 or 1.66... I don't use the reduced sensitivity cabs floating around xda or BsB Tweaks. 1.48 was a catastrophy, but things improve all the time. So don't give up just yet - you'll get used to your device. I took you some time before you loved (ieeeeeuw, nasty ;-)) your iPhone, give your HD2 a month or two. It's a superior device, really.
Grtz from fellow windows sysadmin
Lukas

The Resco keyboard really helps with typing. And a new ROM speeds the Leo up. I think the reason perhaps the iPhone seems better is because its a simpler device. Our Leo's do a considerable amount more, so learning it is bound to take some time.

witch1 said:
The Resco keyboard really helps with typing.
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Hello,
I tested Resco and it looks really nice,
but
- the different skins did not work and
- in the standard iSkin I have only two field:
a numerical and a alphabetical.
There I miss some keys, for example < > [ ] and Backspace ....
Is this only in the test version the case?
eshd

Thanks for the replies I'm working through some of the suggestions now

Let's make it simple: some HD2 devices are definitely flawed and have a physical touchscreen problem that you won't be able to fix with software tweaks, new ROMs or whatever.
The first thing you need to know is if you device is flawed or not. A very simple test is to use the Note application and try to draw straight lines when you use your finger slowly.
The second thing you need to do is check out this very complete thread (click here). In there, you'll find most symptoms that are associated with these flawed devices. Some of these symptoms is called "The Electrocardiography"... It seems like that is what you called with another medical term "Parkinson's desease".
If you have one or more of these problems, you might want to check the hotfix that was given by the same guy who run the thread. The hotfix is in this thread here. It won't correct 100% of the problem, but it might be a BIG help.
If you go through all these steps and are not fully satisfied with the results, you might consider sending back you device to customer service (that's what I did until I got a perfect unit).
Think about it all.

Are you sure your HD2 is working correctly? I had the same issues as you and after two weeks I decided enough was enough and sent it back for a replacment. I have had that for three days now and it is a big improvement. The shaking when scrolling has gone and the typing is as good as the iPhone I tried. I am now very happy with the HD2.

Winmo / Android

First and foremost... This thread is about Winmo/Android decsision/criticizm. if its in the wrong section (which i hope its not) please say so.
About a week (or so) now i have been messing around with the NAND Android and i am having all sorts of drama about with it. not only is it too slow and sluggish to use but it just doesnt look complete or rather feels like its missing something as compared to a device that has anroid native on it (e.g. htc desire).
There are lots of Android ports out there for the HD2 in some form or another and not all are bad... some are fast like the imilka's Stock Froyo which runs completely from RAM and even the MIUI roms are quick.
Then came windows mobile and the new windows phone 7.
For some reason i am leaning towards installing winmo6.5.x on my hd2 due to the fact everything hardware related works fine and its ... fast... only problem is winmo isnt finger friendly like Android or W7.
at the same time i really would like to have W7 however due to its limitations in almost all the basic tasks and the ability to not even have a simple market deletes it from my list completely.
so with this delimma i'd like your feedback.... Have you tried Android then went back and put "Winmo6.x" on your device or are you happy with android?

I'm on android right now. WM 6.5 was ok, but with android I feel like I have a new phone, everything I use works very well, the only thing I didn't get working straight out of the "box", was the g-sensor, but after reading the same thread (link below), I found how to calibrate it (faced down and then hit calibrate).
This is the one I'm using in case you want to give android another shot:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=901576&highlight=g-sensor
PS. WM 6.5 is finger friendly, is it not? I never had any problems with it. The only reason I switched initially was to get more apps.

well mate.... I am on android (bauner's nand stock desire) and I will never comeback to winmo. I don't really know what You did wrong, but my hd2 flies with it and every single thing works (wifi tethering, fm radio, 800 x 480 video, etc.).
as a matter of fact it runs so well, that I am going to keep my leo much longer than I was planning to.
... well, at least until moto atrix launch in UK.

so OP… what did you end up doing?

bronx said:
as a matter of fact it runs so well, that I am going to keep my leo much longer than I was planning to.
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^^^ This
I can only assume that there was a problem with your setup because Android runs like a DREAM! It really is like having a brand new phone, and I've had this phone for 14 months now so I'm very happy about that
Longest I've ever had a phone in my life!

Well the only builds i'll never try again, due to lagg, are desire hd builds. They're just too laggy for me, and they run out of ram too quickly for me to appreciate.
Currently i'm using projection's desire build, and I must say, it's a really fast and smooth build, so fast i haven't found the need to flash another build, since it came out.

cylent said:
First and foremost... This thread is about Winmo/Android decsision/criticizm. if its in the wrong section (which i hope its not) please say so.
About a week (or so) now i have been messing around with the NAND Android and i am having all sorts of drama about with it. not only is it too slow and sluggish to use but it just doesnt look complete or rather feels like its missing something as compared to a device that has anroid native on it (e.g. htc desire).
There are lots of Android ports out there for the HD2 in some form or another and not all are bad... some are fast like the imilka's Stock Froyo which runs completely from RAM and even the MIUI roms are quick.
Then came windows mobile and the new windows phone 7.
For some reason i am leaning towards installing winmo6.5.x on my hd2 due to the fact everything hardware related works fine and its ... fast... only problem is winmo isnt finger friendly like Android or W7.
at the same time i really would like to have W7 however due to its limitations in almost all the basic tasks and the ability to not even have a simple market deletes it from my list completely.
so with this delimma i'd like your feedback.... Have you tried Android then went back and put "Winmo6.x" on your device or are you happy with android?
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I got my HD2 a few months back, stuck with WinMO 6.5 until some good stable NANDs started appearing.
I am now using "IAMGPC - Gingerbread NAND" and it works great, no lag, good battery life with drain about 4-6ma in standby. Far superior OS to WinMo 6.5.
Take a look here "android.hd2roms.com/" each day and check for updates and read the posts for issues. I recommend using a well know cook/chef's builds.
Thats my opinion, take it or leave it.

yelsew_aknor said:
so OP… what did you end up doing?
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honestly... i am stuck. because although you guys all say winmo 6.5 is old and gone i still feel its magically fast on my HD2.
i tried running android off of SD (from winmo6.5) yesterday and it worked great.. almost like it was a NAND version.
to be honest ... and i dont want to get flamed for saying this... but i wish wp7 rom was usable with a market and not this activation crap you have to go through because when i ran wp7 on my hd2 it flew! and the animations are great!
so we'll see. i am gonna try CMYLXGO's Topia HD(2) ROM and see how that goes.

Droid
I really liked WM 6.5 for about three months until it started freezing a couple times a day and freezing for 10 seconds every time i received a new text so i put MDJ's CyanogenMod 7 v2.6 NAND gingerbread mod and it is great except for aTAKEphone doesn't seem to be working on it for me but besides that I think that it is awesome and will stick with this till some of the windows 7 roms get a little more developed, especially since i heard that Msoft might be putting out a major update for wp7 soon

johncmolyneux said:
^^^ This
I can only assume that there was a problem with your setup because Android runs like a DREAM! It really is like having a brand new phone, and I've had this phone for 14 months now so I'm very happy about that
Longest I've ever had a phone in my life!
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wrong with my setup? like what could i possibly be doing? this isnt a PC with different hardware. its a HD2 and the whole world has the same unit (almost)...
the only thing you can blame is the SD card but its a new one and its 16GB/Class10 ...

cylent said:
wrong with my setup? like what could i possibly be doing? this isnt a PC with different hardware. its a HD2 and the whole world has the same unit (almost)...
the only thing you can blame is the SD card but its a new one and its 16GB/Class10 ...
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cylent said:
i have been messing around with the NAND Android and i am having all sorts of drama about with it. not only is it too slow and sluggish to use but it just doesnt look complete or rather feels like its missing something as compared to a device that has anroid native on it (e.g. htc desire).
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I have never had a NAND build (or even SD builds from about December onwards) run slow or sluggish, and I have never had a build that doesn't look complete etc.. That's why I suggest that there is a setup issue here. Setup is obviously your hardware and software, together. You're not gonna change the hardware, so try a different build.
Incidentally, if you read through the forums you will see some people having some issues, while others do not have them. This is normal for every issue reported on the HD2, so it's not simply a case that we all have the same hardware so they all work the same. That's not true.
And thanks for pointing out that my phone is not a PC, and it's a HD2. I obviously needed that pointing out to me. I did wonder how I could fit my PC in my pocket.

cylent said:
First and foremost... This thread is about Winmo/Android decsision/criticizm. if its in the wrong section (which i hope its not) please say so.
About a week (or so) now i have been messing around with the NAND Android and i am having all sorts of drama about with it. not only is it too slow and sluggish to use but it just doesnt look complete or rather feels like its missing something as compared to a device that has anroid native on it (e.g. htc desire).
There are lots of Android ports out there for the HD2 in some form or another and not all are bad... some are fast like the imilka's Stock Froyo which runs completely from RAM and even the MIUI roms are quick.
Then came windows mobile and the new windows phone 7.
For some reason i am leaning towards installing winmo6.5.x on my hd2 due to the fact everything hardware related works fine and its ... fast... only problem is winmo isnt finger friendly like Android or W7.
at the same time i really would like to have W7 however due to its limitations in almost all the basic tasks and the ability to not even have a simple market deletes it from my list completely.
so with this delimma i'd like your feedback.... Have you tried Android then went back and put "Winmo6.x" on your device or are you happy with android?
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What do you feel like is missing?
The latter android builds are a lot faster and more stable than even the best WM6.5 roms in my experience. I've got a lot of friends who are EVO users, and the HD2 with a custom Android ROM is practically the same phone as the EVO.
I'm dual booting WP7 and Android, personally would never go back to WM6.5. I can, however, understand the reasons why people prefer it to Android and WP7, but speed, stability, and performance are not any of the reasons.

cylent said:
First and foremost... This thread is about Winmo/Android decsision/criticizm. if its in the wrong section (which i hope its not) please say so.
About a week (or so) now i have been messing around with the NAND Android and i am having all sorts of drama about with it. not only is it too slow and sluggish to use but it just doesnt look complete or rather feels like its missing something as compared to a device that has anroid native on it (e.g. htc desire).
There are lots of Android ports out there for the HD2 in some form or another and not all are bad... some are fast like the imilka's Stock Froyo which runs completely from RAM and even the MIUI roms are quick.
Then came windows mobile and the new windows phone 7.
For some reason i am leaning towards installing winmo6.5.x on my hd2 due to the fact everything hardware related works fine and its ... fast... only problem is winmo isnt finger friendly like Android or W7.
at the same time i really would like to have W7 however due to its limitations in almost all the basic tasks and the ability to not even have a simple market deletes it from my list completely.
so with this delimma i'd like your feedback.... Have you tried Android then went back and put "Winmo6.x" on your device or are you happy with android?
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Well, the glory of the HD2 is if you don't like a particular OS you don't have to run it. I'd just suggest running WM6.5 and boot your favorite Android ROM via SD etc until a build of either WP7 or Android is released that you feel fits your everyday usage needs.

I'm sticking with WM. I find that Android need more physical button pressing than WM. I rarely have any crashes/freezes with WM.
I don't play games and that's the only thing that would pull me towards Android.
I've had Android and WM for the same amount of time. For my experience and usage, there is no reason for me to go to Android at this time. Other people have different usages, so their needs may be different.

I'm trying to decide whether I'll even bother to try Android. I don't really play games on my HD2.
I use the calendar, contacts, word, excel, powerpoint, tasks, notes (MS Office) and Outlook. (The HTC Contacts app doesn't hold enough info, even for family.) I use Total commander, weather, maps, search, camera/camcorder, dictionaries, music, books, rss, internet (usually wifi), etc. However, I rarely play anything but solitare or majong.
WHY, specifically, do you like android? or WP7? or WM 6.5? PLEASE be extremely specific.

ElaineD said:
WHY, specifically, do you like android? or WP7? or WM 6.5? PLEASE be extremely specific.
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WM because it's solid and just works. Has all the important apps I need. Extremely smooth and finger friendly with SPB MS3.5 instead of sense. There's a logic to it's layout and settings which I find android lacks. It's mature and refined. Browsing with Opera 10 is near perfect, it can handle the pages I go to, it responds how I expect a mobile browser to respond, unlike the browsers in android.
Android has 2 good points that WM doesnt, other than them I do not believe it is anywhere near as good as WM.
1. Ability to connect to more than one exchange account, it means I can get my personal mail and my work mail. Too bad the mail client is frustratingly basic.
2. Kindle reader. The advantages it has over MS Reader is of course it's desinged for finger swiping rather than trying to tape on the forward/back triangles, and Amazon's kindle library.

I'm also stuck between WinMo and Android.
WinMo:
- iGO
- stability, speed, everything just works
- Sense is better*
- all those little tweaks and regedits that made the phone better
Android:
- notifications!!!
- GMail
- GTalk
- FB
- browser (flash)
- not dead
* Tabs are just nicer, people tab is not auto sorted, photo animations are nicer, slide to answer/ignore is better and consistent. Also, I'm not sure if there's PhoneAlarm and TouchLock alternative on android.

after trying many android sd- and nand-builds, as well as wp7, I went back to wm 6.5.3.
wm is just working as it should be. thanks to cht 2.0 and sense, I can change everything perfectly to my needs. opera 9.7 isn't as good as the android browser, but it gets the job done. I really don't care about any additional apps. everything important I need, is already there and that fever to always have the newest rom and apps vanished a long time ago - luckily.
the biggest problem with android is in my opinion the really bad implementation of basic functions. no smartdialing, no mark all as read in the email app, way too many limitations in customizing the homescreen, no decent agenda widget and so on. and call me paranoid but I dont like the calling home functions of many apps either.
for wp7, its a whole other story. I really like the userinterface to some point. its easy to read, clean and fast. what I hate is the wasted space on many screens. you have basically only 3/5 of the screen to show relevant information, instead of 4/5 on other platforms. and of course there is the horrible homescreen. I really dont understand what microsoft thought when designing this useless waste of space. where I have 5 shortcuts, 8 calendar entries, a big clock, the date and the weather with android or wm6.5, wp7 only shows a maximum of one calendar entry (only today and tomorrow), 4 way too huge shortcuts and a small clock. and of course to show other shortcuts you need to scroll one big ass list down ... seriously, what is that?
wm6.5 might not have nice transitions (in fact the flickering when changing apps sucks), nor a good marketplace, but its finger friendly (at 99% of the programs), has the best customizable homescreen (thanks to cht) and the fastest to use userinterface without the need to swipe or scroll 100 times to get to the information you want. in my opinion its the most undervalued OS of all of them.
though, I might change to android sometime in the future, as it progresses and the flaws are taken care of. but I'm not holding my breath for that ...

chalid said:
after trying many android sd- and nand-builds, as well as wp7, I went back to wm 6.5.3.
wm is just working as it should be. thanks to cht 2.0 and sense, I can change everything perfectly to my needs. opera 9.7 isn't as good as the android browser, but it gets the job done. I really don't care about any additional apps. everything important I need, is already there and that fever to always have the newest rom and apps vanished a long time ago - luckily.
the biggest problem with android is in my opinion the really bad implementation of basic functions. no smartdialing, no mark all as read in the email app, way too many limitations in customizing the homescreen, no decent agenda widget and so on. and call me paranoid but I dont like the calling home functions of many apps either.
for wp7, its a whole other story. I really like the userinterface to some point. its easy to read, clean and fast. what I hate is the wasted space on many screens. you have basically only 3/5 of the screen to show relevant information, instead of 4/5 on other platforms. and of course there is the horrible homescreen. I really dont understand what microsoft thought when designing this useless waste of space. where I have 5 shortcuts, 8 calendar entries, a big clock, the date and the weather with android or wm6.5, wp7 only shows a maximum of one calendar entry (only today and tomorrow), 4 way too huge shortcuts and a small clock. and of course to show other shortcuts you need to scroll one big ass list down ... seriously, what is that?
wm6.5 might not have nice transitions (in fact the flickering when changing apps sucks), nor a good marketplace, but its finger friendly (at 99% of the programs), has the best customizable homescreen (thanks to cht) and the fastest to use userinterface without the need to swipe or scroll 100 times to get to the information you want. in my opinion its the most undervalued OS of all of them.
though, I might change to android sometime in the future, as it progresses and the flaws are taken care of. but I'm not holding my breath for that ...
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EXACTLY my assessment so far; I keep thinking that I must have missed something about android because I keep reading so many raving reviews.

I am starting to like the way this thread of mine is heading. peaceful but nice opinions are being shared here.
so while doing more and more browsing and more rom "tryouts" i found out the following: The video driver on the android system for HD2 is not accelerated. it means android is rendering This is obvious for anyone how the system stutters and does odd things.
just wanted to point that out.