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Hi guys im pritty new here so bare with me lol.
Im looking for a larger capacity battery for me HTC HD2 as the one i got standard barely lasts a day which is pathetic, even after i disabled background connections, reduced backlight, turned of auto weather updates, changed rom etc...
so i found on ebay these three different batteries with bigger mah but crucially dont need a new cover on the back, cause i hate the official larger cap battery with kick stand. So i was wondering if anyone had tried any of these or which looks best:
1350Mah-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-1350-mAH-...ries_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item5d2882f304
1600Mah-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1600mah-Batte...AU_MobilePhoneAccessories?hash=item35a7eb97e3
1500Mah-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1500mAh-Batte...ries_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item3a5929d522
Thanks for any help and awesome forum guys
Check the accessories subforum, the battery discussions are there. The 1600mAh battery was measured equal to stock, others seem to be the same as well.
I think there was a much larger one with a swing out foot, I guess so you can watch long movies on it. http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/htc-hd2-extended-battery-gets-its-close-up-lower-price/
Basically, even 1600mAh batteries from Andida is near equal in performance to OEM Battery capacity.
There is an extended battery from HTC that has near double the capacity and a kickstand. it makes your phone thicker though.
mknewman said:
I think there was a much larger one with a swing out foot
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Read what he said... he does not want that.
oh. I ended up reiterating your post...oops. needs to refresh before posting after idle.
OT here, anyway the fourth oem battery I bought off chinese dealers on ebay, all in all equal to original in the exterior, is at its second day of usage (put it in at 100% before going to bed the day before yesterday) and has 43% charge left. Used the phone normally, some manga reading, some browsing, some access to excel/database app, reminders/morning alarms, few calls... all in all, very good for a 3€ battery (costed me 6€ equivalent shipping included to buy a couple of them...)
allright thanks guys cheers for the help, i guess for this money you carnt complain lol
(And il try and post in the right section next time)
I finally got around to looking today, and it seems that there's an official 1500mAh battery to fit in the HD2...but I can't seem to find any reliable (other-than-chinese-ebay-seller) confirmation that it fits in the Tmo US version. I'm fairly confident that it will, but would love to know for sure.
Has anybody tried this one yet (or any other 1500mAh stock-size batteries), and if so do you get much more time out of regular use?
This is the one I'm referring to: HTC 35H00128-00M Li-Ion Standard battery
sirphunkee said:
I finally got around to looking today, and it seems that there's an official 1500mAh battery to fit in the HD2...but I can't seem to find any reliable (other-than-chinese-ebay-seller) confirmation that it fits in the Tmo US version. I'm fairly confident that it will, but would love to know for sure.
Has anybody tried this one yet (or any other 1500mAh stock-size batteries), and if so do you get much more time out of regular use?
This is the one I'm referring to: HTC 35H00128-00M Li-Ion Standard battery
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They probably got the size wrong. This site is saying it's the same battery that ships with the HD2. HTC never made a 1500mah battery for the HD2.
that would be perfect!!! a 1500 sized battery would easily grant me 2-4 extra battery life... and thats all i need tbh...
the stupid sprint evo phone... is coming with a 1500 battery.. and thats practically a replica of our hd2... so it makes no sense as to why manufacturers are unable to make a 1500 battery.. it is completely mind boggling...
ProjektFuze said:
that would be perfect!!! a 1500 sized battery would easily grant me 2-4 extra battery life... and thats all i need tbh...
the stupid sprint evo phone... is coming with a 1500 battery.. and thats practically a replica of our hd2... so it makes no sense as to why manufacturers are unable to make a 1500 battery.. it is completely mind boggling...
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I'm sure the evos battery will be bigger in dimensions, though. They can only fit so much power in lithium batteries. If it was possible to fit 1500mah into a battery the size of our HD2s, I'm sure someone would have done it. Lithium battery technology is the same it was 5 years ago... there's not much they can do about it right now.
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They probably got the size wrong. This site is saying it's the same battery that ships with the HD2. HTC never made a 1500mah battery for the HD2.
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Yeah, and if I'd bothered to just take mine out and compare the model number, I would have noticed that
It's stupid though that when you google that part number, there's a number of places listing it as 1500mAh.
I agree with the "they can only pack so much into a set amount of space" theory, but...there ended up being some higher-than-1500mAh (which is stock capacity) batteries for the TP2, that fit in the same space. However, I know that they probably put the largest capacity they could in the HD2 right from the start, it's obvious that 1230mAh part is barely adequate.
Check the link again , they just change to 1230mah .
htc evo battery compatible w hd2
Does anyone know if the HTC evo battery compatible with hd2? The casing looks the same unlike incredible which the battery is larger and the conductor is inverted. Thanks.
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Does anyone know if the HTC evo battery compatible with hd2? The casing looks the same unlike incredible which the battery is larger and the conductor is inverted. Thanks.
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I doubt they will be compatible, would be nice.
Has anyone tried buying a non official battery for their MS2 and care to comment or recommend any? Im going on holiday to france and i know my phone wont last a whole day without charging, so I was thinking of buying a second battery.
I read in another forum that using a non-Motorola battery displays some kind of warning. I'd go with an original battery.
jambo89liam said:
Has anyone tried buying a non official battery for their MS2 and care to comment or recommend any? Im going on holiday to france and i know my phone wont last a whole day without charging, so I was thinking of buying a second battery.
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using a non-original battery could have detrimental effects on your phone. there was a discussion on this on the forum of another phone. using a non-original battery could lead to leaks and other problems which would eventually lead to the warranty of your phone being voided.
stick with original motorola products. yes the battery might be very underpowered, but its the safest bet to ensure the longevity of ur phone
With a non original battery, the battery indicator of your phone shows a interrogation symbol. Also, it does not charge with the phone charger.
Sorry my analphabet english xD
@Motorola Milestone 2
bp7x 2300mAh battery
I 'm using a non-original battery . The MOMAX and everything's good ,it feels just like the original one except for battery tempperature sensor. the temp is always 26 in celsius
I personally have used seidio for my milestone and it works like a charm, its the extended 2800mah one it really performs like it should and not like how a lot of people claim thats its way less than stock! It does not always read it correctly but a quick reboot fixes that, like 50% after reboot would usually be about 70-80%. They way i used to use my phone (light to moderate level) would last about 2-3 days but after the extended I got twice that and some more. Just make sure you get stuff from the original manufactures either way and don't go for deals at amazon or whatnot as those guys might be selling either defected or not proprely stored stuff. Batteries are critical components don't go cheap on them! And no, my phone has not been messed up or had any leaks or anything and I have this for about 3-4 months now. The original battery degraded in about 6months if you have to compare.
That sounds promising, does the battery need to be charged with an external charger? And does the milestone complain that you are not using the official bettery
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metalron said:
I personally have used seidio for my milestone and it works like a charm, its the extended 2800mah one it really performs like it should and not like how a lot of people claim thats its way less than stock! It does not always read it correctly but a quick reboot fixes that, like 50% after reboot would usually be about 70-80%. They way i used to use my phone (light to moderate level) would last about 2-3 days but after the extended I got twice that and some more. Just make sure you get stuff from the original manufactures either way and don't go for deals at amazon or whatnot as those guys might be selling either defected or not proprely stored stuff. Batteries are critical components don't go cheap on them! And no, my phone has not been messed up or had any leaks or anything and I have this for about 3-4 months now. The original battery degraded in about 6months if you have to compare.
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reebooting your phone to get the exact picture also works on the standard battery. my question is, does the back part which houses the battery heat up when used? does the phone get hot during charging? do you need a new battery cover for it? and besides the longer usability, have you noticed any other performance issues on the phone?
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reebooting your phone to get the exact picture also works on the standard battery. my question is, does the back part which houses the battery heat up when used? does the phone get hot during charging? do you need a new battery cover for it? and besides the longer usability, have you noticed any other performance issues on the phone?
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Actually the rebooting to get the exact picture is not the same here, a jump to 20-30% on a stock battery? I don't think so. No I never encountered any odd behavior with the other battery. No getting extra hot during charge or use, get the typical little bit of heat while using 3G and browsing like mad but that would happen on the stock battery too. Battery cover for a 2800? of course, that stuff is huge! its protrudes like mad! a quick heads up though, the extended battery for the milestone 1 and 2 can use the same extended batteries. Don't know about the droid x though. Anyways, no performance issues, no heat while charging. The back covers supplied by these after market guys are not the best quality though so if you are someone who loves dropping phones and what not would recommed getting a spare back cover from the guys you get the batts from.
jambo89liam said:
That sounds promising, does the battery need to be charged with an external charger? And does the milestone complain that you are not using the official bettery
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No, I use my original charger and no complains or warnings by the phone. Not on the milestone 1 at least. In fact some times i use my ipod's adapter so no big issue. And it charges at the same pace as the stock, additional 1 hour or whatever. restart the phone to getting a proper reading as it shows 100% but upon restart its 70-80% since only the stock level is charged. I hear this app called battery left does great for calibration.
ALSO a thing to note, I only know of Seidio and Mugen to be relialbe after market battery guys hence their hefty pricing at times. The others claiming to have bigger batteries have cheated people with stickers and what not and usually end up underperforming and degrading considerably faster than burning paper! I remember 1USD batteries for nokias back in the day good for a quick one time run i suppose but these 1USD guys are now selling them with a better branding for like 20-40 USD.
Anyways Sedio and Mugen have facebook profiles and keep people posted on the latest on devices usually there, although its kind of sad since seidio have not followed through promised products at times.
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Actually the rebooting to get the exact picture is not the same here, a jump to 20-30% on a stock battery? I don't think so. No I never encountered any odd behavior with the other battery. No getting extra hot during charge or use, get the typical little bit of heat while using 3G and browsing like mad but that would happen on the stock battery too. Battery cover for a 2800? of course, that stuff is huge! its protrudes like mad! a quick heads up though, the extended battery for the milestone 1 and 2 can use the same extended batteries. Don't know about the droid x though. Anyways, no performance issues, no heat while charging. The back covers supplied by these after market guys are not the best quality though so if you are someone who loves dropping phones and what not would recommed getting a spare back cover from the guys you get the batts from.
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thanks for the info mate. ill do a lil more research and probably check it out myself.
Thanks for the info i have bought a Seidio Innocell Extended Life for Motorola milestone 2 from mobilefun £30.49 its the 1500mah version same size as original battery so no extra cover is required.
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jambo89liam said:
Thanks for the info i have bought a Seidio Innocell Extended Life for Motorola milestone 2 from mobilefun £30.49 its the 1500mah version same size as original battery so no extra cover is required.
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Cool but as I suggested try and get them off the manufactures themselves as I have noticed some people complaining when purchased via 3rd party retailers.
Also another bud of mine had picked up one for the Nexus one, that phones back cover is a full one unlike the moto's and he too can vouch for the products positive performance. Either ways also check out some reviews from amazon.com for peace of mind.
http://yfrog.com/gz1yj2j
http://yfrog.com/h8n307j
Got my battery today looks official, I will charge it over night and test it tomorrow will let you know if it goes well.
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cmxyz said:
I 'm using a non-original battery . The MOMAX and everything's good ,it feels just like the original one except for battery tempperature sensor. the temp is always 26 in celsius
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can yo still charge it though because i bought the aninda battery and i could only charge it with an external battery charger
jambo89liam said:
http://yfrog.com/gz1yj2j
http://yfrog.com/h8n307j
Got my battery today looks official, I will charge it over night and test it tomorrow will let you know if it goes well.
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is the battery meter being shown or are you getting an error message because i would like to buy one
No complaints from the phone about it being the incorrect battery the battery has been charged within/by the phone no external charger required. I got the 1500mah version from mobilefun I doubt it will give much more performance but will see.
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After my first day of use I got around 11 hours of use before reaching 5%. Here are the usage statistics at 15%
https://picasaweb.google.com/105351366297036719015/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCJna6ZH6hLKxzQE
Wifi was on most of the time, I was using my phone for the usual things. Occasionally checking socialfeeds, engadget, xda every hour or so and internet browsing I played 10 minutes of angry bids. Updated some apps and downloaded a few new ones.
Overall not a significant increase in battery life maybe an hour or so more from what I am used to.
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I bought my HD2 used and the battery doesn't really get me through the whole school day, (8-4:30ish) even if I don't really do anything on it, it drains pretty quickly. I've conditioned it and everything, but I think the best things to do would be to buy a new battery.
I'd like to buy from eBay or a reputable online retailer.
Does anyone have any great stories with any batteries?
Make sure out have the apps Juice Defender Pro, Screebl, and SetCpu (with a profile to run the processor at the minimum when screen is off). With these, plus official extended battery, I get between 24 and 36 hours on my HD2.
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I bought my HD2 used and the battery doesn't really get me through the whole school day, (8-4:30ish) even if I don't really do anything on it, it drains pretty quickly. I've conditioned it and everything, but I think the best things to do would be to buy a new battery.
I'd like to buy from eBay or a reputable online retailer.
Does anyone have any great stories with any batteries?
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go on ebay and there's a seller called c_cell he's got (737177) feedback,he has a 2430mah battery,NOT the extended 1 lol,same size as the origional(1300mah),i bought 1 off him a month ago,WELL IMPRESSED...................let me know how u get on
is that e_cell? for the battery not c_cell?
looking to get the same, whats the life like compared to the original?
thanks
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is that e_cell? for the battery not c_cell?
looking to get the same, whats the life like compared to the original?
thanks
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yeh sorry,its e_cell lol,battery is around 50% better i'd say,just my opinion,it will vary cos different ppl use different roms & sd cards
There is a lot of complain on Gold battery from e_cell on xda. Anyone else get good result from this product?
so did you have a new batery now?how is it?
can somebody tell me the difference between e_cell and c_cell battery? give me some advice because i need a new one...thanks !
RollerCoasting said:
I bought my HD2 used and the battery doesn't really get me through the whole school day, (8-4:30ish) even if I don't really do anything on it, it drains pretty quickly. I've conditioned it and everything, but I think the best things to do would be to buy a new battery.
I'd like to buy from eBay or a reputable online retailer.
Does anyone have any great stories with any batteries?
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I use Typhoon CM7 NAND Android on my HD2 and I get easily through 2.5-3 days with moderate use (WiFi included) - my avg stand by is 2-3mA but sometimes it even goes to 1mA (rarely but it does).
You shld get rid of wm if you have it and make your HD2 worth it!!!!
I bought a battery which shoul have 1600 mAh but so big like the normal HTC battery with 1230 mAh.
I didn't feel that I had more capacity, it didin't hold longer than with the normal one.
So i bought the original HTC HD2 Power Battery with 2400mAh and it was awesome. I could easy work with the phone for 2 days without loading and i make a lot with it.
The disadvantage of the Power Battery is that its nearly twice as big as with the normal, but i love it to work with the phone without looking on the battery percentage
If want long work time and size does not matter - original with 2400mAh. And no "chinese" batteries with increased capacity.
dot bother with the ecell battery its a waste of time
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dot bother with the ecell battery its a waste of time
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why ? dont make allegations without backing them up
Read this.......excellent battery and results!!!
link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28386412&postcount=400
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Read this.......excellent battery and results!!!
link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28386412&postcount=400
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I'm not doubting that that's an excellent battery, but when you got the 0mA reading you appeared to be charging the phone and 2 days isn't really that hard to manage if you only use the phone moderately. Also don't forget that the ROM itself will have some effect on the results.
you can buy several backup batteries for emergency
Our phones are not inefficient. No not at all. If you think about it, on a 3000 mah battery we get good battery life compared to other phones with the same or bigger battery. But here is my gripe, and it pisses me the hell off. The G2 had a 5.2 inch 1080p display with a 3000 mah battery. Now how the heck can LG be dumb enough to not upgrade the battery when they stretched the screen size by .3 inches and more than doubled the resolution? Thats literally the dumbest thing ive seen come from lg. Albiet everything else is top notch on this phone, and the battery life is still pretty darn good. Its just a stupid move by lg that makes no sense whatsoever. Its like giving a mustang a gas tank the size of a 4 cylinder prius. [emoji57]
helikido said:
Our phones are not inefficient. No not at all. If you think about it, on a 3000 mah battery we get good battery life compared to other phones with the same or bigger battery. But here is my gripe, and it pisses me the hell off. The G2 had a 5.2 inch 1080p display with a 3000 mah battery. Now how the heck can LG be dumb enough to not upgrade the battery when they stretched the screen size by .3 inches and more than doubled the resolution? Thats literally the dumbest thing ive seen come from lg. Albiet everything else is top notch on this phone, and the battery life is still pretty darn good. Its just a stupid move by lg that makes no sense whatsoever. Its like giving a mustang a gas tank the size of a 4 cylinder prius. [emoji57]
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Because the battery in the G2 was not removable. It is removable in the G3. That's why.
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Because the battery in the G2 was not removable. It is removable in the G3. That's why.
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It is still a stupid move they could not anticipate that allot of people would not want to remove the battery all the time.
Simple concept: Increase the battery capacity with every generation to accommodate the more juice needed. Look at samsung. Their batteries always increased.
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It is still a stupid move they could not anticipate that allot of people would not want to remove the battery all the time.
Simple concept: Increase the battery capacity with every generation to accommodate the more juice needed. Look at samsung. Their batteries always increased.
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The battery is fine,the lag and stutter is the problem.
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I really think its about choosing the right phone for you.
I had my LG for my first day today at work (day 3) and after 14hrs I still have 68% left. OK admittedly its been a very light day in terms of usage but today I am a happy user because I have an awesome display with a great phone with all the features that I was looking for and it was able to get through my day with a great deal of battery life left.
The question you need to ask yourself is have you bought the right phone for your needs?
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The battery is fine,the lag and stutter is the problem.
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Lag and stutter? Ohh you mean thw decreased frame rates to save battery life. Yeah you do know that stems from the battery issue correct?
And i dont notice any lag or stutter. Everyonce in a while. But hey its a stock rom. Pretty much expected. The Gs5 is worse...
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It is still a stupid move they could not anticipate that allot of people would not want to remove the battery all the time.
Simple concept: Increase the battery capacity with every generation to accommodate the more juice needed. Look at samsung. Their batteries always increased.
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Their batteries also are always removable. I'm not saying they shouldn't have tried to go with a 3,200 removable. However so many people complained about the sealed in battery, they thought they were giving the people what they wanted. Their battery size technically did increase. The Korean G2 with a removable battery was 2,600 mah and now the international g3 with the removable battery is 3,000 mah. If they would have kept it embedded I'm sure the battery would have been around 3,500 mah.
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Lag and stutter? Ohh you mean thw decreased frame rates to save battery life. Yeah you do know that stems from the battery issue correct?
And i dont notice any lag or stutter. Everyonce in a while. But hey its a stock rom. Pretty much expected. The Gs5 is worse...
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Decreased frame rates when your playing a game is a problem. Its annoying and ruins the game.
Personally i'm liking the phone so far. The battery life isn't all that bad unless the screen is on most of the time. I'm actually quite surprised that the battery life is that good. My phone usually lasts me a full day even if I leave my house without it fully charged (80% or so).
But of course I have a spare battery with me just in case. Doesn't hurt to be prepared
KaidM said:
I really think its about choosing the right phone for you.
I had my LG for my first day today at work (day 3) and after 14hrs I still have 68% left. OK admittedly its been a very light day in terms of usage but today I am a happy user because I have an awesome display with a great phone with all the features that I was looking for and it was able to get through my day with a great deal of battery life left.
The question you need to ask yourself is have you bought the right phone for your needs?
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Yes I love my G3 and i chose it over the m8 and GS5. It's just this one thought that grinds my gears a bit. It is a logical step and it seemed they cheaped out on it.
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Their batteries also are always removable. I'm not saying they shouldn't have tried to go with a 3,200 removable. However so many people complained about the sealed in battery, they thought they were giving the people what they wanted. Their battery size technically did increase. The Korean G2 with a removable battery was 2,600 mah and now the international g3 with the removable battery is 3,000 mah. If they would have kept it embedded I'm sure the battery would have been around 3,500 mah.
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I was thinking more like a 3500 mah in this phone. It would help allot. Yet they didnt think that they would kill 2 birds with one stone if they increased capacity and added the removable function.
helikido said:
Yes I love my G3 and i chose it over the m8 and GS5. It's just this one thought that grinds my gears a bit. It is a logical step and it seemed they cheaped out on it.
I was thinking more like a 3500 mah in this phone. It would help allot. Yet they didnt think that they would kill 2 birds with one stone if they increased capacity and added the removable function.
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I mean I would have loved more juice too, I'm just going to give them benefit of the doubt and assume, they couldnt keep the bezels as slim as they are and making the battery removable and adding microsd card slot while increasing the removable battery size more than from 2,600 to 3,000.
But i agree 3,500 would probably have been the sweet spot.
Fair enough that actually may be another reason i never thought of. Silly me.
Do you guys think a battery manufacturer might be able to produce a 3500mah battery the same size as the stock one? Its okay if it a tighter fit.
Life is about compromises for most people and sadly the same is true about our choice of phone ......
helikido said:
Fair enough that actually may be another reason i never thought of. Silly me.
Do you guys think a battery manufacturer might be able to produce a 3500mah battery the same size as the stock one? Its okay if it a tighter fit.
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Are you not understanding the fact that it's easier and much more possible for a manufacturer to include a higher capacity battery by making it non-removable? The battery is as good as it's going to get with the current form factory and removability. And LG makes great batteries, so don't expect some eBay store to beat them. You can buy a second battery, get a portable charger, or get a new phone.
Sent from my LG G3
helikido said:
Fair enough that actually may be another reason i never thought of. Silly me.
Do you guys think a battery manufacturer might be able to produce a 3500mah battery the same size as the stock one? Its okay if it a tighter fit.
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These folks are claiming they already have such a thing...
2 X 3,500mah batteries with Charger
helikido said:
Do you guys think a battery manufacturer might be able to produce a 3500mah battery the same size as the stock one? Its okay if it a tighter fit.
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A guy on G+ in the G3 community bought a 3500mAh battery on I think Ebay. Yes it's the same size but I think when he took videos it locked or something. Personally I would never buy a cheap battery or a non LG battery for a $600 phone. That's one reason why they catch on fire.
I've owned the G2, Flex and now the G3. I think LG is doing great with the battery life, camera, and design. The Flex had great battery life with the 3,500mAh battery but is noticeable bigger then the G3.
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And the sharpening
I can deal with the battery....what's unacceptable is the lag.
Its almost putting me on the verge of never buying an LG ever again.
The HTC M7 was blazing fast compared to this and made the phone a enjoyable experience.....optimize the software you F*ckwits.
I hate lag, I hate it I hate it........the saving grace which is starting to wear thin is that its so pretty to look at, that is untill I turn the thing on and the lag infuriates me again.
No problems here with battery life with my kind of use, 2 days of normal use till charge
Never ever had that with my other smartphones
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Lag, lag lag...All these posts about lag. As a former Nexus 5 owner, these lag complaints are what infuriate me. Change your animations to .5, switch to ART. Install nova or another 3rd party launcher. Personally, I have the 3/32 on Sprint and I don't see the lag. Again, I'm coming from N5 so you'd think I'd notice, right? Well, I don't. I switched to nova for about a week and then I switched back to stock. With animations at .5, I think stock is just as fast. Seriously people, if the phone disgusts you that much, return it. There are plenty of others, like me, even professional phone reviewers, who think this is currently the best android device available. Also, I know you're all entitled to your opinions as am I, not trying to start a flame war here. :end rant: