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hello all!
i was recently gifted an first generation iphone, i hacked it and unlocked it and played around with it. i was not very impressed, the hardware is awsome but the software, i find to be lacking.
at any rate it has sat in a desk drawer for a month or 2 and then i read about that faked video with wm6 on an iphone. i thought to my self why not give it a try? its not like i will be able to buy that touch hd from htc that i wanted...
so i have been doing some research and it looks like there is an arm processor in this thing, which gives me hope. i plan to use a few open source utilities such as ibooter to get an environment on this thing for wm6.
i am wondering what advice people can give me, who have hacked newer versions of WM onto an older device, what to research, what to expect or useful utilities; i have little experience with the bowels of WM.
this will be my first attempt at something this grandiose, but i have surmounted greater challenges in the past. i am not asking for help, however i am more than willing to work with anyone else who is interested.
please keep non-constructive criticisms to yourself, if people didn't try things every time there was doubt we would still be living in caves.
thanks
-ash
Good luck! I've got to say the iPhone would be WAY more appealing to me if it ran Windows Mobile. If I were you I'd maybe try and contact some of the ROM cookers in the older device threads like the Blue Angel forum.
sschrupp said:
Good luck! I've got to say the iPhone would be WAY more appealing to me if it ran Windows Mobile. If I were you I'd maybe try and contact some of the ROM cookers in the older device threads like the Blue Angel forum.
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thank you so much, i was honnestly beginning to wonder if i was the only person who thought this might be a good idea (especialy when i can show it to a macfanboi and ask "wheres your god now?!!")
OMFG !!, not another thread..if you dont wish to be made a fool out of you, i suggest please edit your title and post
I've got to say the iPhone would be WAY more appealing to me if it ran Windows Mobile
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ather90 said:
OMFG !!, not another thread..if you dont wish to be made a fool out of you, i suggest please edit your title and post
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Hey STFU!
im guessing that there is no one here that actualy does anything more than just develop applications for WM or troll arround the fourms?
like i said im looking for peoples who have worked with the os itself.
anyone...
anyone...
buler?...
anyone?
I saw somewhere that a Norwegian hacker did it some time ago, it is quite sad, but it is sexy to see WM running on wide screen
Here is where i saw it:
http://www.gsmdome.com/mobile-software/iphone-gets-windows-mobile-praise-the-hacker-video_399
Anyway, good luck with your progress, i want to see it running :3
Samuelgames said:
I saw somewhere that a Norwegian hacker did it some time ago, it is quite sad, but it is sexy to see WM running on wide screen
Here is where i saw it:
http://www.gsmdome.com/mobile-software/iphone-gets-windows-mobile-praise-the-hacker-video_399
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I saw it too in some other place.. that's amazing!
I just saw the video...that was cool. Looks like you got your answer there ashrond.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but that video is fake,look at the very begining he manages to turn his i-phone on by just tapping on the screen. sadly it's propably just some kind of slideshow presentatio. too bad would have been nice.
Doh!!!!!
Stupid Fake Video!
Threads like this makes me sad, users making threads on this subject to be taken serious and fail to provide any type of commitment to achieve any goal to this subject. what im trying to say simply is... let the god damn roms chefs make threads like this and not the "omg i need WM6, on a toyphone"... i wanted wm6 so i got a phone with wm6 on it. not a god damn phone with ipod crap on it.
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Threads like this makes me sad, users making threads on this subject to be taken serious and fail to provide any type of commitment to achieve any goal to this subject. what im trying to say simply is... let the god damn roms chefs make threads like this and not the "omg i need WM6, on a toyphone"... i wanted wm6 so i got a phone with wm6 on it. not a god damn phone with ipod crap on it.
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wow another jackass who cant read!
like i said i am looking to do this myself, i was simply looking to get a hold of one of these "romcookers" as you ignorantly call them. i swear its people like you that make me wish for the good ol days before all the
""31337 AOL users"" got access and started ****ing things up. do everyone a favor and keep your opinion to yourself.
ps thats the video that i was talking about being fake and giving me the idea to attempt this.
Well if ure serious about this, u could get a piece of advice from users such xplode, mamaich, bepe, tuatara and many many others (speaking as Blue Angel user).
Also, u might rather look in some iphone hacking forum. Furthermore, mind that iphone is quite a closed platform, so it doesnt have any documentation, besides some rev-eng done.
Anyway, there is little chance u will achieve this, and the amount work what is in front of you is more than u might expect. No man could do it alone, in one life.
Srsly, only way to do it, is to steal iphone blueprints form apple, and u will......
w8, didnt u say ur name is Bond?
People may flame you because they are 'die hard' WM fans, and anti-mac or w/e, but I must say that I wish you the best! If somebody were to do this, I would probably end up getting an iPhone. The only thing is, I don't like not having a QWERTY keyboard.
I most likely will have a WM phone for the remainder of my life / cell phone using (unless something really awesome comes out), but I love how smooth and 'error free' the iPhone is. It's just not for me w/ the current OS because you can't easily expand the iPhone as easily as you can a WM phone.
Dear dip****,
Clearly your lack of understanding about the real related undertaking about what you asking is beyond your grasp. its like hopping on a BBS and asking for some guidance on how to do heart surgery, sounds simple... open the chest cavity and do some poking. its not as simple as just droping an app, if it were that simple as to dropping ibooter... then all the 100x groups would have already done it and taken credit for it. i really wish scrubs like you never used the internet, clearly your terrible propaganda on trying to make people believe you would be elite enough to carry such under taking. as i reflect...
ROFL "ibooter to get an environment on this thing for wm6." while you are at it, try using a bios disk to start up the MAC OS on your computer...
you have no ****ing clue what your even up against... at least i am a hardware hacker. what the **** have you done other then post. "i has a dream for WM6 on ipod" thread? Ill learn to read if you learn to stop being a dip****.
Love Smokey
Xbox hacking crew
ashrond said:
wow another jackass who cant read!
like i said i am looking to do this myself, i was simply looking to get a hold of one of these "romcookers" as you ignorantly call them. i swear its people like you that make me wish for the good ol days before all the
""31337 AOL users"" got access and started ****ing things up. do everyone a favor and keep your opinion to yourself.
ps thats the video that i was talking about being fake and giving me the idea to attempt this.
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Unless it absolutely cannot be done and it is proven that it cannot be done, why not let people keep on trying. Let them learn what they need to learn to give it a valid attempt. It would be a really intersting to see done; however, I fear that there may be some legal iussues if you are flashing WM to an IPhone - You will have to ensure that you are using a legal registered copy of WM wouldn't you? When we are flashing our current devices we already have WM on them so it is kind of a grey area since we already paid for WM however, putting WM on an IPhone which never had WM????? I don't know.
I say keep searching for your answers though until you can prove or find proof that it cannot be done. GOOD LUCK with your efforts. It may be an incredibly difficult thing to do, or who knows - Maybe it won't be that difficult if you have some kind of breakthrough.
I really can't stand it when people start assuming that they know other people and their "Qualifications" when they don't know a thing about them really. None of us really know anything about each other except for what we may publish in our profiles. Gotta have some faith in people sometimes and stop making assumptions.
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This is getting out of hand!
The ONLY way to port WM6 is by writing new drivers for the iPhone.
It's not impossible, but it is a monstrous task.
A new thread is only allowed when serious steps are taken regarding (re)writing the drivers.
(So do some investigating on platform-builder!)
I'm posting here instead of the Marketplace because this seemed like a better spot. I have a paid consulting gig that should be pretty straightforward for the right candidate.
If you have experience developing apps/drivers for android that interface with hardware, particularly sensors, you're probably the right guy or gal.
Specifically, we need
1. General guidance/background on interfacing with hardware.
2. A couple of bare-bones example application(s) that access sensors
3. Some hand-holding through getting a dev environment set up to compile and test the applications.
You'll be working with a dev who does _not_ have Android experience but has 10+ years of building products and is very capable.
There are a number of other tasks that could follow if all goes well.
This is a paid gig starting in January and we'll pay reasonable rates for the work. The ideal candidate would be based in North Carolina (doesn't matter where), but being elsewhere isn't a deal-breaker.
If you're interested, send me an email or pm.
Thanks.
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I'm posting here instead of the Marketplace because this seemed like a better spot. I have a paid consulting gig that should be pretty straightforward for the right candidate.
If you have experience developing apps/drivers for android that interface with hardware, particularly sensors, you're probably the right guy or gal.
Specifically, we need
1. General guidance/background on interfacing with hardware.
2. A couple of bare-bones example application(s) that access sensors
3. Some hand-holding through getting a dev environment set up to compile and test the applications.
You'll be working with a dev who does _not_ have Android experience but has 10+ years of building products and is very capable.
There are a number of other tasks that could follow if all goes well.
This is a paid gig starting in January and we'll pay reasonable rates for the work. The ideal candidate would be based in North Carolina (doesn't matter where), but being elsewhere isn't a deal-breaker.
If you're interested, send me an email or pm.
Thanks.
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I doubt any dev is gonna do any hand holding to help set everything up when all the info is available to accomplish everything your asking for.
I doubt any dev is gonna do any hand holding to help set everything up when all the info is available to accomplish everything your asking for.
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Thanks for the insight there, bucko. Very helpful. Reminds me of the good old days of Usenet, and apparently you are "that guy" from back then.
Good to know you're still breathing and keeping the net safe for all the real coders out there...
It may be weird for you to hear this, but there's a thing called convenience that can come in to play on a funded project, and some crazy people, myself included, will pay for it.
Yes, I know, you're recoiling in horror at the very idea. I mean surely any dev worth a damn should, on principle, do everything themselves from scratch. Heck, we shouldn't even be developing for Android -- using any existing hardware/OS is just wussing out. We should design our own hardware from scratch with a 64bit, no, 128bit OS built on the ideals of Groovy, but re-written in our own image.
I appreciate that someone such as yourself would never soil yourself with making some pretty easy cash, but since (a) we're in a rush and (b) we're willing to pay a good rate, I would hope others might disagree.
Still, thanks for keeping the "I'm smarter than you and need to show it" flame alive, and simultaneously reminding me why I don't usually bother with this kind of open post. Bless you, wherever you may lurk.
And no, I'm not going to respond to any other helpful comments you might offer, so don't waste your breath.
Wow I just gave you an up front no bs answer and you go on to rant. Did I ever say I'm smarter than you, did I give you some kind of smart ass answer? No, I just gave you some real info. And by the looks of it no one else responded, it looks like my answer was 100% correct. I know your not going to respond now. You sir have a wonderful day.
supremeteam256 said:
I doubt any dev is gonna do any hand holding to help set everything up when all the info is available to accomplish everything your asking for.
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The whole point of a developer is to do exactly what you claim they refuse to do, infact there is a whole industry based on "hand holding to help set everything up" its called consultancy lol
fewquid said:
Thanks for the insight there, bucko. Very helpful. Reminds me of the good old days of Usenet, and apparently you are "that guy" from back then.
Good to know you're still breathing and keeping the net safe for all the real coders out there...
It may be weird for you to hear this, but there's a thing called convenience that can come in to play on a funded project, and some crazy people, myself included, will pay for it.
Yes, I know, you're recoiling in horror at the very idea. I mean surely any dev worth a damn should, on principle, do everything themselves from scratch. Heck, we shouldn't even be developing for Android -- using any existing hardware/OS is just wussing out. We should design our own hardware from scratch with a 64bit, no, 128bit OS built on the ideals of Groovy, but re-written in our own image.
I appreciate that someone such as yourself would never soil yourself with making some pretty easy cash, but since (a) we're in a rush and (b) we're willing to pay a good rate, I would hope others might disagree.
Still, thanks for keeping the "I'm smarter than you and need to show it" flame alive, and simultaneously reminding me why I don't usually bother with this kind of open post. Bless you, wherever you may lurk.
And no, I'm not going to respond to any other helpful comments you might offer, so don't waste your breath.
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I suggest you speak to someone more knowledgeable than this joker lol maybe modaco (Paul) or someone can point you in the rite direction you should pm him and ask him
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=220328
What the hell? You guys are crazy he paying 4 smethg he can do his damn self. What a lame. I know this guy that need a job his name is Lee. PM him he is the guy for ur lame job
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What the hell? You guys are crazy he paying 4 smethg he can do his damn self. What a lame. I know this guy that need a job his name is Lee. PM him he is the guy for ur lame job
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Thats a retarded thing to say lol do you not think bill gates can code? so why duz he employ ppl to do it? is a store manager not able to operate a till? so why employ someone to do it? have you ever thought ppl have jobs and other things to do? where as a developer develops things for ppl, its there job and if some one is willing to pay them to do that why are u 2 shooting him down n flaming him? whats the need?
I guess I'm not very knowledgeable, but again I didn't agree to help him in anyway. And your statements don't make any sense. You said does Bill Gates know how to code. And you even wanted to throw in the ol lol. Really, I guess you don't need to know anything to start up Microsoft. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/15/could_bill_gates_write_code/. Next time use a better example. O and since you know so much, how bout you spell "rooted" right in your sig. That will be a good start.
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Thats a retarded thing to say lol do you not think bill gates can code? so why duz he employ ppl to do it? is a store manager not able to operate a till? so why employ someone to do it? have you ever thought ppl have jobs and other things to do? where as a developer develops things for ppl, its there job and if some one is willing to pay them to do that why are u 2 shooting him down n flaming him? whats the need?
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y would i pay some ass 2 do something i can do myself
i have a rooted fascinate, no im not posting where my 2.2 update is, it'll get here when it gets here, more that this is a call out to any devs and end users like myself that are tired of the same old rom styles and themes. Some roms are straight beautiful, like Thatdudebutch's super dark v1, and sos3 blackhole, whereas some just seem too stock-ish to me.
Where is the imagination? The creativity? I know devs are always working they're ass's off to bring us the next best port or rom based off insert other rom name here... but im ready for the dev that says hey i created this from scratch...
Maybe its just me, maybe im being a whiney ass lol, but i think its time devs started using what they think is cool, not what everyone else thinks is cool. If the enduser doesnt like the rom/theme, then boo ****in hoo and they can use something else.
Like i think SONOFSKYWALKER3's idea of build your own rom was a huge breakthrough in end user controlled customization, but its still using whats already available to us in either stock, or from the select few top 3 roms.
Please guys, (devs too) Show us what you can really do, make that rom that takes our breath away. We will love you for it...i will love you for it (metaphorically speaking of course lol)
Show us what you can do too
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Progress is progress. The devs are porting gb to the Fascinate, that's a start in real customization. Just wait, the devs are already working hard. If your pushing them so hard, why don't you help? Seriously, its this disappointment in devs that ruins a devs commitment.
Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz
Why must everything be taken so negatively? I read this first post and saw it as inspiration. I can see that the devs who make roms make it for the general public not for themselves, and I think thats why they make them so similar to each other, as thats what most people like. I feel that a dev isn't really ready to go out of his/her way to bust they're ass and make a rom that only they and a handful of others are going to use.
All in all, I think the OPer made a good point in "challenging" the devs to 'unleash' their creativity into the atmosphere and make somthing of their own that they are truely balls to the wall about.
Just my 2 cents.
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Progress is progress. The devs are porting gb to the Fascinate, that's a start in real customization. Just wait, the devs are already working hard. If your pushing them so hard, why don't you help? Seriously, its this disappointment in devs that ruins a devs commitment.
Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz
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I agree completely...remember the devs don't have to do what they do for us...if it was as simple as 1,2,3 then everyone would create their own roms for themselves...
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The problem is, there's more worth in porting gingerbread and then porting other roms like cyangenmod which are easier to customize, than customizing samsung's firmware updates.
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jdkzombie said:
If the enduser doesnt like the rom/theme, then boo ****in hoo and they can use something else.
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Yeah.. so what was the point of your post again?
Not at all trying to be negative, but what exactly are you looking for?
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you are all missing the point of my post
its not to bash devs, its not to berate anyone, nor was it to solicit "why dont you do it yourself" comments. But since thats how everyone is going to take it, i guess i need to clarify. What i meant by devs making what they think is cool is for them to use their imagination and make their roms and themes unique. Too many roms out there have been sourced from others...not that this is a bad thing as there are beautiful works of art available to all who wants to flash them..
These devs bust their ass to make these things for us and i respect that with all my being, and i appreciate all that they do. My hats off to all of them. But, again, wheres the creativity? Why must they be forced to use what is already in the eclair, froyo, and Gingerbread roms as their inspiration? These guys can take 0's and 1's and turn them into something beautiful that cant be taken seriously in just pictures. In the last 3 days i have flashed more things to my phone than i can hardly count, yes i have screwed my phone up and recovered, but im not here explaining without experiencing the world of flashing.
Why dont i help out....i'd love to yet im not programmer. I have zero idea how coding and programming and bitmapping works. Thats why we have developers. Im not here to bash anyone. I go to school currently to be a master mechanic, therefore computer programming is worlds different from installing and tuning a greddy turbo, or replacing a radiator, or even doing a tune up on (insert friends name here)'s car.
Im calling out to devs to stop being restrained by the limitations we as endusers have put on them, to indirectly force their hand in creating something they may not like but we will because otherwise people out there will gripe and complain. Devs, make what YOU want. There are limitless capabilities to be had in android because its so open. As developers you are the ones who provide for us when the manufacturers fail to hold up their word/rumor/promise/ etc, i dont want you to think that you have to make these for us, i want you to want to make these for us. Without you developers we would all be stuck to a basic android existence harkening to that of apple and its lockdown on whats what.
I wanna see creations from your darkest fantasies about android. I want to see the rom that gets you all hot and bothered. I want to see the theme that you got the inspiration for while you were driving around town or watching a movie. Dammit guys, make what you want to see android be, enough being the lambs, its time to be the lion. When phone manufacturers fail, where do we turn? To you devs. You. I cant even begin to describe how much respect i have for what you do for us.
I'll finish this off with something for the people who will no doubt bash me and flame because i need to do it myself, or im being to hard on them, or i'm just being a whiny little *****. boo hoo. get over it. Its my post, regarding my OPINION. I didnt force any of you to view it. to read it. to comment on it. the fact that you did shows that each one of you feels the same way i do. We all love android. We all love what the devs do. Why should we hold them back from what their imaginations can design? What gives us the right to do that....
Respect devs...always and forever from me....respect.
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Why dont i help out....i'd love to yet im not programmer. I have zero idea how coding and programming and bitmapping works. Thats why we have developers.
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Well, you don't have to be a programmer to be "creative". In the design process all sorts of people are involved, and you could think up a concept. You could design a concept so great that a programmer would like at it and think it's great and decide to bring it to life. But asking people to be creative on your behalf, and using "i'm not a programmer" as an excuse to be a spectator is simply selfish I gotta say. Not trying to bash you too much, but simply saying there's many ways to be useful.
Jdkzombie is right...when linus developed the linux kernel he basically said....here it is, go forth and multiply...,now we have tons of different flavors and styles of linux. Android is awesome in its own right but we are only customizing something already there. (Devs....i definately mean no disrespect... ). The only thing i've seen so far that has bent that rule is MIUI. but that is too close to an iphone for me. I think what jdk is trying to say is...,where are the truely custom roms with wild and crazy user interfaces. I don't think jdk is asking the devs to stop what they are doing by no means...but maybe jdks asking why can't we all b more creative and come together as a community and come up with one ourselves with ideas from all of us...,and then find devs to take the plunge and make it happen. It all starts with an IDEA. So why not...,instead of bashing in this forum... ,let's start posting things we might want to be different in android and see what happens.
Think about it...,ubuntu linux- "your name here" android?
Thanks to all, devs, themers, and the users who have donated and contributed feedback over the years to make android what it is.
I may not post here much, but when i see something worth posting about i have to add MY opinion....and that's all it is.
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i think the op has a nice idea, but this probably isnt the phone to realize it on.
we have a handful of very talented devs, but really there time is mostly tied up in attempting to right the wrongs that samsung has done to us, by working on aosp/froyo/gb whatever.
the n1/ns community (or i9000) might be the guys you d want to bring your ideas to, as they have a global base of devs and their communities dwarf ours to the point of ridiculousness
See tho, one of the first lessons they teach you in most programming courses nowadays is "why reinvent the wheel?" It's there, it does it's job, why not build on top of that framework that already exists. This is the foundational principle of software engineering.
Think about it like this: you are in the woods and need to build a fire. You have plenty of dry wood, small kindling materials, and matches. Why would you go to the trouble of locating a striker stone and a piece of Flint to use to try and start the fire when you already have matches. You wouldn't unless you had no alternative or just liked to take the inefficient route for the sake of itself.
Another way to think of it is like this:
If I needed to drive from here in Mississippi to Nevada, I wouldn't build a car to drive if I already had one.
Devs are trying g to give us the most bang for our buck and that means using the tools and frameworks already in place.
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Well, you don't have to be a programmer to be "creative". In the design process all sorts of people are involved, and you could think up a concept. You could design a concept so great that a programmer would like at it and think it's great and decide to bring it to life. But asking people to be creative on your behalf, and using "i'm not a programmer" as an excuse to be a spectator is simply selfish I gotta say. Not trying to bash you too much, but simply saying there's many ways to be useful.
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Why must you assume i havent already given my thoughts and ideas to several devs and "themers" on IRC. I have frequented that site for a good amount of time the past handful of days, both getting assistance with "de-bricking" my phone when i flash a no no to my device, and helping out who i can with their own problems.
It isnt just just me that should be "expected" to come up with new ideas here. I expect everyone to have something to contribute if you are going to post your comments (i use the word "your" in reference to everyone, not just anyone in particular)
You want a bit of my idea? I wanted to see a rom where the screens scroll vertically. Not horizontally like they "all" do. Where when you swipe the screen from left to right it open "your" favorite app. Swipe the screen from right to left and it opens the app try. I have also mentioned that a quick 3 tap on the home screen would zoom out showing a carousel of sorts that you can scroll through to select 1 of 9 home screens that can be filled to burst with your favorite widgets and apps. I dont have a preset color idea. Instead that we be afforded a color "wheel" to choose ourselves what collor basic things are. Be afforded to opportunity to make multiple themes like with ADW, that can installed "into" the rom. I assume everyone has seen the DROID commercials where the two robots select a few apps in the giant app "planet." That would be a sweet app tray wouldnt it? Would it be impossible? I dont know, since i have no idea how programming works. But im sure it would be quite the undertaking.
I would hope that this could be a place for anyone to post their ideas as well, not just mine. I also have this distinct feeling that as of my posts i will be held to a "imaginary" standard that it will be my obligation to post ideas and inspirations. But then therin lies my issue with roms today in general. These roms arent being made for me. If a developer makes anything like my idea, i want it to be something they want to see in android, not just because someone else said hey you develop roms, why dont you make this so i can have it.
This isnt/wasnt/never will be a thread to bash anyone including devs, themers, end users (other posters, but thats my point.) I wont bother to say im not going to be the only one. I dont have to post that. The sheer fact that you (the general population that bothers to read this thread) shows that wish there was more creativity, more originality,....hell....more of the "DEV" in his/her creation than anything else. It would make a developers rom/theme so much more their creation. So when someone says hey i have (for example) ThatDudeButch's new theme, its unique to HIM....the developer... and someone else that has a theme by Adiliyo (also for example) its going to be unique to HIM. Im really hoping all of you have the mental capacity (i used that term for lack of a better one, no offense intended for anyone) and the maturity level to understand that this is a challenge to all who design, develop, or theme, or even just dream to no longer be limited by the general public. Design whatever makes you get a stiffy if thats what it takes. What with the new 2.3 android os out, why should we hold the devs to make different copies of whats out. Why cant we encourage them to make the unthinkable....the un imagined...the roms that arent bound to a single line of influence.
If you (everyone and anyone) are going to post here simply to flame me for speaking my mind about what i would love to see roms and themes become, then perhaps you should consider keeping your comments to yourselves. BUT, this being a public forum, and i am no moderator, i cannot make anyone not post here, nor what they post about, so with that i will only ask that you not just post for the sake of singling out a line of any of my posts to make a snide comment on how its up to me/i need to design it/being too hard on devs ruining their commitment/etc etc. If we werent hard on engineers/developers/programmers in world-wide view considering the design of everything we use today, we wouldnt be in possession of the technological breakthroughs that we have now. We would all still have bag phones. Model A fords, if even that, we would still be riding horses....might i even be bold enough to state we wouldnt even be out of the stone age if it hadnt been for someone somewhere pushing those who build to do bigger and better things.
Please, use common sense people. Im simply issuing a challenge to devs/themers to not be constrained by our ideals. Again, to make what THEY want to make. Remember, they dont have to do this for us, so why cant they build what they want. And thats why i respect what they do.
agsded said:
"why reinvent the wheel?"
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Im not asking for a new wheel, only a more efficient one. Thats such an over-cliched term anyways and has no merit (in my view) If we never reinvented anything, we'd not be in the possession of these beauties of creation we have today. I bet someone told Henry Ford why reinvent the wheel when he said lets have a car that can be available to the common man. Do you think Ford would be the automotive supergiant they are now if he had followed that advice? Do you think we would have Windows OS, Mac, or any of the other available computing OS's that we have now would be available now if the designers had followed your sage advice?
Please realize, im not bashing you, any of you, im not going to stoop that low. We are all adults here, and even some teenagers, whom i hope utilize that powerful muscle between their ears before they use their fingers, so why must we criticize? Why cant we , as so eloquently put in an earlier post, come together as a community and share ideas.
Just saying.
Yeah, but see all those things you mentioned arent revolutionary leaps of accomplishment, but simply evolution of existing products... refinements..
Henry Ford simply took the concepts of mass production, the assembly line, and interchangeable parts, and applied them to the automotive field. He didn't invent something new, he "engineered" something better from what was already there. He made cars more affordable, available, and easier to repair.
Technology is no different... mechanical switches to electric switches to vacuum tubes to transistors to integrated circuits, they are just extensions of what's there.
We don't still use carburetors because fuel injection is more efficient, largely because it can meter the fuel more precisely, especially at idle. But..the first fuel injection setups were just electronic carburetors, with the old central port fuel injection systems... even the newer ones still do the same thing, just more precisely...
I'd love a smartphone that could read my thoughts and had a neural interface with zero lag. Is it coming.... who knows....is it a reinvention... no, just another step in between a previous one and the next.
Something to ponder.... at the core of all operating systems is basic math.
Add one value to another and put the result here. Stick the right combo of values in the right set of registers and a pixel lights up on the screen. That's the way machine language works...so all software is an evolution of ones and zeros...
A switch is on, 1 a switch is off, 0... so basically computers are just a big ginormous pile of light switches, lol..
Anyways.... I agree, I'd live to see some real neat stuff for android, but at some point, you'd have to throw out android to make it radically different, and then it would just be yet ANOTHER attempt at a mobile os to further fragment things....instead of moving forward, we'd be moving sideways....not as bad as moving backwards, but not progress either....
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Just curious, but... How do you know devs aren't creating what they want? Why would they waste time building something that they didn't want to do?
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....instead of moving forward, we'd be moving sideways....not as bad as moving backwards, but not progress either....
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I totally agree with you, but yet i also disagree. Which isnt a bad thing, at least we are agreeing to disagree i suppose lol But the point still stands. Why....why must we make do with what we have? Why not bring forth innovation? Is that not how progress is made? Im not looking for an overnight change in the way roms are designed. I only asking that the devs make it a challenge for themselves. Make something they havent done before. Im just winging this without black and white information, but how do we know that manufacturers dont look at these roms for their inspiration?
I'm only asking for that one ambitious dev who needs a challenge to strive for that next peg. The next rung on the ladder of progress. Yes Henry Ford didnt invent the automobile, but with his bringing the assembly line to his own needs he created something huge. Thats what im hoping devs will do for android. When we tire of out normal phone interfaces, to whom do we turn? Yes. thats right, these hard working devs. A vast majority of them create wonders with whats available to them. Others simply tweak and twist certain aspects to their own taste.
A phone that reads out thoughts with a neural interface with zero lag would indeed be a nice addition, but im certain 10 years down the road such a thing may come to be, but thats 10 years from now, if not more. Don't sell yourself short however, all ideas are welcome to me and to this thread. Its odd though, that with all the posts here i seem to be the only one who has put idea to page.
And to mr kevin gossett, How do we know they ARE. We dont. Its as simple as that. All that we can do is hope that there is a dev or 2 or even 3 out there that are willing to bring forth the new age of roms. We turn to these men and women because we are bored with our phones stock rom/theme, so why must the devs and us as end users together suffer the same style in the aftermarket themes and roms? Again not bashing devs here, just stating my opinion, that they need to make something that they love. there WILL be end users out there that will use their roms/themes. I still think some of you are missing my point with all of this, and instead strive to create some echelon of conflict purely for conflicts sake.
View my thread and posts as possible inspiration for the future. Not a bashing, or flaming of those who design for us. The DEVS create the roms, but the devs didnt design what they wanted to see, instead what we wanted to see. And i would love to see that reversed. The DEVS create what THEY want to see, and we use whatever we find to our tastes.
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I think I understand what the OP is saying... But at the same time I kind of understand the other side of the fence. Coding is hard, and you must be very precise, and most of these guys are doing it for free. But I know what jdk is meaning....
I think he feels that the devs are limited in what they can create because they are branching off of other works and what people like. I think he wants to see what crazy ass stuff devs can come up with. he wants their creativities to explode all over his face. He wants to see what people can imagine and create. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as he understands the devs, that they have lives, they do this for free, and its hard work, which I think he does understand. I think he's just trying to inspire some folk.
Hello, i do not want to be rude but i saw the new cyanogenmod logo.
You can see it HERE
I am working as a development and research manager in multiple companies which are mine, we especially work with robotics and web development. I can say i have experience in everything technologically related, worked on design too. And after seeing this new logo, i can only say it is good to attract kids or girls. I am not saying it is ugly, but childish and very rudimentary, like i have read comments, it looks like a toy or a weird kid alien. I am thinking this is a very not pleasant mascot version. I can say either change the shape of the boy, that's why it gives this messages or you can just do something completely different, do something futuristic not childish but technologically sophisticated while keeping it simple. I had the same problem for one of my companies too, i haven't kept it simple but still it looks professional and attracts tech geeks not kids.
You can see mine HERE
Anyhow i am saying this because on all of hundreds of android phones cyanogenmod is the only one that surpasses all other off the market firmwares (no offense other devs) so i think it would be a shame to ruin it's image by a childish look.
So, what's your opinion?
P.S. I hope i didn't offend anyone i am just stating my opinion in the belief that it might help cyanogenmod not to go wrong with anything and maybe help them, some opinion might help.
Sorry, sucka. I'm afraid I don't like your mascot.
It has too much detail and is too complicated. Not Web 2.0/3.0 at all. It remembers me of the old times of the N-Gage scene. Hate it.
I think the mascot should be simple and sleek. Although CID is not exactly "pretty" (it needs a bit more work), it is nearer to my ideal concept of a mascot than yours.
Sorry, bro.
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Sorry, sucka. I'm afraid I don't like your mascot.
It has too much detail and is too complicated. Not Web 2.0/3.0 at all. It remembers me of the old times of the N-Gage scene. Hate it.
I think the mascot should be simple and sleek. Although CID is not exactly "pretty" (it needs a bit more work), it is nearer to my ideal concept of a mascot than yours.
Sorry, bro.
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Hehe why are you saying sorry? It's not great for a logo but the message is more important, i want in a couple of years to build that so...you understand it has never been meant to be very slick looking even though it is more like a company future build and not something slick like you see in a normal corporation logo i never meant to say it's better or anything just that i doesn't look like a kid in rest are just opinions and anyhow i am thinking the same thing but like i have said i have other interest over it
And anyhow i don't want to discuss opinions in whether it is nice or ugly (those are strictly personal opinions and don't want those) because in the terms of standard of corporate look in colors and details it is perfect. But the shape of the body makes me think it looks like a baby (or as somebody commented, as justin bieber) and that is a little yes, immature. A little work on the body should fix it i think, and yes i agree it just needs a little work, but not like it is in this stage i would hate to see that little baby look alike on every boot.
I quite like it. It's sleek and modern. I think it will look good with ICS UI.
I understand reasons for logo change, but personally more like old "Andy" logo...
This one looks like a subliminal message with an illuminated UFO which will bomb empire tower this year lolz.
Just joking. It looks nice and clear.
To quote Ciao (the designer): "The idea here was to create something cute (people love cute)...."
Children and women like cute. Most CyanogenMod users are neither children nor women (I could be wrong).
The mascot should still look like an android/robot and not a prepubescent alien.
Just my humble opinion.
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To quote Ciao (the designer): "The idea here was to create something cute (people love cute)...."
Children and women like cute. Most CyanogenMod users are neither children nor women (I could be wrong).
The mascot should still look like an android/robot and not a prepubescent alien.
Just my humble opinion.
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yeah. youre right with your opinion.
Kids love cute things... but i hope there arent too many kids which flash cyanogen
my vote was ugly.. cause i love the prevent CM logo
From my POV, people think that Android mascot was cute mainly because it was rounded and ****.
Same can be said for new born babies.
You hardly see your parent's relatives and friends saying a mature child is cute.
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From my POV, people think that Android mascot was cute mainly because it was rounded and ****.
Same can be said for new born babies.
You hardly see your parent's relatives and friends saying that a mature child is cute.
Might be not the most beautiful mascot in the world but think at least it's better than "Andy". IMHO
It doesn't look like "mainstream" logo (one you would see in a supermarket), but CM isn't mainstream either (and won't ever be, I fear).
sorry, i dont like it
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How many project treble threads do we need?
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Apology accepted
Also can I point out, a lot of the pie gsis don't have access points in the settings, hence the need for the editor.
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if you are like me that's what you need and you don't want to get flamed for asking too many questions as XDA is a developer site. If I've had an attitude here I seriously apologize and I mean it I'm not just saying that and it will not ever happen again.
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I hope you realize nobody has anything against asking questions. In fact, it's encouraged. You got "flamed" because of the way you handled the answers you got.
It wasn't exactly flaming either. You flat out insulted the members offering help because it wasn't detailed enough. And the suggestions offered assumed you done a bit research beforehand. And you got the appropriate response.
You were then spoon-fed the answer and here you are, still playing the victim of "flaming".
Ask as many questions as it takes, seriously. That's never a problem. Just don't insult the members answering because they don't spoon feed it to you.
I noticed you linked my guide on how to root without given me proper credits for even making that guide... I'll give 24 hours for that to change. If it wasn't for me hosting spaceminers twrps ( which I 100% don't mind doing) and my guide there would be a lot more issues my guy lol I think it would be fair to say I contribute enough to get my credits due is all lol hell honestly the group for this phone was starting to die and it was just me barely keeping the forum alive for While until madbat, starkiller2 and spaceminer came on lol
Big yikes on this thread.
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I hope you realize nobody has anything against asking questions. In fact, it's encouraged. You got "flamed" because of the way you handled the answers you got.
It wasn't exactly flaming either. You flat out insulted the members offering help because it wasn't detailed enough. And the suggestions offered assumed you done a bit research beforehand. And you got the appropriate response.
You were then spoon-fed the answer and here you are, still playing the victim of "flaming".
Ask as many questions as it takes, seriously. That's never a problem. Just don't insult the members answering because they don't spoon feed it to you.
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Just because you think something doesn't mean that's the way it is. I wasn't referring to anything that happened recently with my op.
I was over the whole situation that happened. I admitted I was wrong. Now you come stir things up here?! Minding your own business will eliminate most of your problems in life. If you took what I said here in my op the wrong way that's you. Y'all can have this. I've already wrote and waiting for them to delete my account. So go to sleep tonight knowing that you won the battle that you wouldn't let go of.
I have nothing against anyone here. Sorry , again for what I posted last week. I shouldn't have done it. Resentment only hurts the person who holds on to it.
And to the other person, my bad for not throwing you in the credits. It was a mistake not intentional or personal.
I don't discuss my personal life here but I have alot going on right now too like many of us do. Y'all have a good one.
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Just because you think something doesn't mean that's the way it is. I wasn't referring to anything that happened recently with my op.
I was over the whole situation that happened. I admitted I was wrong. Now you come stir things up here?! Minding your own business will eliminate most of your problems in life. If you took what I said here in my op the wrong way that's you. Y'all can have this. I've already wrote and waiting for them to delete my account. So go to sleep tonight knowing that you won the battle that you wouldn't let go of.
I have nothing against anyone here. Sorry , again for what I posted last week. I shouldn't have done it. Resentment only hurts the person who holds on to it.
And to the other person, my bad for not throwing you in the credits. It was a mistake not intentional or personal.
I don't discuss my personal life here but I have alot going on right now too like many of us do. Y'all have a good one.
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See I won't say much but from all the stuff I read there was ways to handle stuff that you didn't do to well handling and as bad as it sounds any meme you see about tech or dev community stuff about all of us Basically just being smartasses is kinda true lol you experienced first hand how troublesome this can be now when you take it to seriously lol. If you see all my post I'm basically just being chill and a smartass while still helping just enough for people to still learn, and people realize that and that's the fun of it lol. All of us are just very blunt and forward and we try to keep our stuff "chill". most the guides and other stuff made on here even do say you should have some advanced knowledge of using adb And android which means understanding Android 8 or higher now. Basically anything you may have learned from Android 7 and under is old news after Android 8 and up. Now if we were dealing with a phone that shipped with Android 7 then the knowledge you have would be helpful here. Which is why to try to teach instead of just give lol We all have our own things going but even with what i said being here is sort of like a job and you can't bring your personal life into your worklife ya know. I'm not trying to hate I'm just being forward and honest about this wholeass situation. In the end some of us here are adults so we should also try our best to not make this place look like Reddit by hating each other lmao. Your always welcome in the community bro lol
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1. Minding your own .business will eliminate most of your problems in life.
2 Resentment only hurts the person who holds on to it.
3 I don't discuss my personal life here but I have alot going on right now too like many of us do. Y'all have a good one.
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1. Big thanks. now that I'm in my forties I was hoping I could get life advice from millennials.
2. Couldn't agree more. Resentment is corrosive.
3. I think I can help... See #1 in your advice section.
Keep your spirits up. Life gets tougher. In fact, no one gets out alive in the end.
But my statement stands, ask as many questions as it takes. If you get flamed for asking many questions, and you've done your due diligence ( searching thread for previous answers, reading back a few pages, etc.), Then I can almost guarantee the community will rally behind you in defense of you.
Sometimes a bunch of stuff gets deleted from a thread, and you haven't been here every 10 minutes to skim it, assumptions get made ( guilty)
And you misunderstood me too. I wasn't coming down on you. I was just saying don't let anything that happened make you stop asking questions. And don't let it make you doubt yourself about asking things.
So relax, take breath,
Keep the gun oiled and the temple clean
$h!t snort and blaspheme
Let the heads cool and the engine run
Because in the end, everything we do...
Is just everything we've done.
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1. Big thanks. now that I'm in my forties I was hoping I could get life advice from millennials.
2. Couldn't agree more. Resentment is corrosive.
3. I think I can help... See #1 in your advice section.
Keep your spirits up. Life gets tougher. In fact, no one gets out alive in the end.
But my statement stands, ask as many questions as it takes. If you get flamed for asking many questions, and you've done your due diligence ( searching thread for previous answers, reading back a few pages, etc.), Then I can almost guarantee the community will rally behind you in defense of you.
Sometimes a bunch of stuff gets deleted from a thread, and you've been here every 10 minutes to skim it, assumptions get made ( guilty)
And you misunderstood me too. I wasn't coming down on you. I was just saying don't let anything that happened make you stop asking questions. And don't let it make you doubt yourself about asking things.
So relax, take breath,
Keep the gun oiled and the temple clean
$h!t snort and blaspheme
Let the heads cool and the engine run
Because in the end, everything we do...
Is just everything we've done.
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Am I a millennial??!!!! Batsy say it isn't so. I'll drive off one of these stupid useless cliffs! My new hip should get me at least Boomer status.
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@SM210 bat Grandpa is right. Don't stop asking questions. That won't get you anywhere, just keep in mind that sometimes the only answer is "I don't know" or a partial answer while someone bangs out a better answer. We can't know everything (except me, obviously, but I promised to only reveal myself to the chosen one, I hear it's a chicken in Boise)
Just remember, we all do this because we enjoy it. Most of us, some of us just like to watch me fall down stairs. But we genuinely enjoy helping and getting to the aha moment. I no doubt handled that poorly. I'm not perfect either (I know, it shocked me too)
I apologise for cursing at you, but I was a sailor and it's my native language. No hard feelings.
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Am I a millennial??!!!! Batsy say it isn't so. I'll drive off one of these stupid useless cliffs! My new hip should get me at least Boomer status.
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@SM210 bat Grandpa is right. Don't stop asking questions. That won't get you anywhere, just keep in mind that sometimes the only answer is "I don't know" or a partial answer while someone bangs out a better answer. We can't know everything (except me, obviously, but I promised to only reveal myself to the chosen one, I hear it's a chicken in Boise)
Just remember, we all do this because we enjoy it. Most of us, some of us just like to watch me fall down stairs. But we genuinely enjoy helping and getting to the aha moment. I no doubt handled that poorly. I'm not perfect either (I know, it shocked me too)
I apologise for cursing at you, but I was a sailor and it's my native language. No hard feelings.
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I couldn't possibly consider you a millennial. Lol.
Hey, I think I'm from the beginning of gen x
And I heard that chicken in Boise plays tic tac toe, and never loses. I should go see him. Wise oldd bird
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I couldn't possibly consider you a millennial. Lol.
Hey, I think I'm from the beginning of gen x
And I heard that chicken in Boise plays tic tac toe, and never loses. I should go see him. Wise oldd bird
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Last time I revealed myself to a chicken I got arrested. But to be fair, they weren't super clear on what revealed meant.
Gen x. I think I landed in there right? 84?
Wait..... Was that a pun?! A freaking chicken pun?!
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Last time I revealed myself to a chicken I got arrested. But to be fair, they weren't super clear on what revealed meant.
Gen x. I think I landed in there right? 84?
Wait..... Was that a pun?! A freaking chicken pun?!
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Yeah yer probably gen x too.
I am in New Orleans, where there are wild city chickens that literally look both ways before crossing the road. Lol. I've seen it.
The locals here call chicken ,the meal, "yard bird". LMAO. No joke
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Last time I revealed myself to a chicken I got arrested. But to be fair, they weren't super clear on what revealed meant.
Gen x. I think I landed in there right? 84?
Wait..... Was that a pun?! A freaking chicken pun?!
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Plenty would call me a millennial and I'd argue against it. (1987) I couldn't be farther from them in my upbringing, or my current mentality. I like to call anyone from roughly 80'-89' the "latchkey" or "MTV" generation. We're a very small and obscure group. Turn dial phones, internet wasn't even a dream yet, pop-ice, music on MTV, cassette tapes, aluminum foil wrapped antennas, VHS, NES... The phone book and encyclopedias were the closest thing we had to Google.
Most of us either grew up in a broken home, or had little to no supervision because both parents had to work. We raised ourselves. We were self made, and we had to be. A real, "by the bootstraps" generation. We were quick to give someone the finger, but just as quick to hold the door for an old lady. We took sh*t from no one and always stuck up for the little guy. I'm still this way. You folks really take me back.
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Plenty would call me a millennial and I'd argue against it. (1987) I couldn't be farther from them in my upbringing, or my current mentality. I like to call anyone from roughly 80'-89' the "latchkey" or "MTV" generation. We're a very small and obscure group. Turn dial phones, internet wasn't even a dream yet, pop-ice, music on MTV, cassette tapes, aluminum foil wrapped antennas, VHS, NES... The phone book and encyclopedias were the closest thing we had to Google.
Most of us either grew up in a broken home, or had little to no supervision because both parents had to work. We raised ourselves. We were self made, and we had to be. A real, "by the bootstraps" generation. We were quick to give someone the finger, but just as quick to hold the door for an old lady. We took sh*t from no one and always stuck up for the little guy. I'm still this way. You folks really take me back.
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Man..... That was beautifully put. I have never heard it put better. I'm gonna cry a little. I remember some of the absolutely suicidally dumb things my brothers used to do, and the things we were allowed to do, and I cringe.
I couldn't imagine sending my kids outside to play now and not seeing them till dark. Or be home alone all day in the summer. But then again we used to sled down the roof with cardboard boxes.... Which rocked. I remember seeing the internet become a real thing, cell phones that had battery packs that were 12 lbs, and when girls started making noise, we watched equal rights start to gain real momentum. We saw more advancement in our childhood than anyone ever has.
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Plenty would call me a millennial and I'd argue against it. (1987) I couldn't be farther from them in my upbringing, or my current mentality. I like to call anyone from roughly 80'-89' the "latchkey" or "MTV" generation. We're a very small and obscure group. Turn dial phones, internet wasn't even a dream yet, pop-ice, music on MTV, cassette tapes, aluminum foil wrapped antennas, VHS, NES... The phone book and encyclopedias were the closest thing we had to Google.
Most of us either grew up in a broken home, or had little to no supervision because both parents had to work. We raised ourselves. We were self made, and we had to be. A real, "by the bootstraps" generation. We were quick to give someone the finger, but just as quick to hold the door for an old lady. We took sh*t from no one and always stuck up for the little guy. I'm still this way. You folks really take me back.
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"76" here. I think you still count at the tail end of gen x. Similar stories anyways. VHS, NES, all the goods. I was in grade school in the 80's. 89 might have been junior high.