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N.B. I have S-Off (but not full radio), an overclocking module loaded and clockwork recovery.
My phone has been working absolutely fine the last few days overclocked to 1.3. Today I downloaded megajump (a game) and played it for a bit before the screen went blank, so I did a battery pull reset. Since then I have been unable to boot fully, it makes the HTC sound and gets stuck at the HTC screen.
Occasionally when I reboot it it starts up clockwork recovery but I'm not sure what to do with this and how to initiate this recovery stage to start with.
I know the answers to this problem are in the forum somewhere but I'm struggling to find where to start. It seems an odd issue as it has been working fine (including switching on and off etc).
N.B. Shortly before this problem I updated ROM manager from the market
Thanks in advance
gloscherrybomb said:
N.B. I have S-Off (but not full radio), an overclocking module loaded and clockwork recovery.
My phone has been working absolutely fine the last few days overclocked to 1.3. Today I downloaded megajump (a game) and played it for a bit before the screen went blank, so I did a battery pull reset. Since then I have been unable to boot fully, it makes the HTC sound and gets stuck at the HTC screen.
Occasionally when I reboot it it starts up clockwork recovery but I'm not sure what to do with this and how to initiate this recovery stage to start with.
I know the answers to this problem are in the forum somewhere but I'm struggling to find where to start. It seems an odd issue as it has been working fine (including switching on and off etc).
N.B. Shortly before this problem I updated ROM manager from the market
Thanks in advance
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Hook your phone up to the comp with it powered off, type in "adb logcat" into your computer's Terminal, and display the results.
gloscherrybomb said:
N.B. I have S-Off (but not full radio), an overclocking module loaded and clockwork recovery.
My phone has been working absolutely fine the last few days overclocked to 1.3. Today I downloaded megajump (a game) and played it for a bit before the screen went blank, so I did a battery pull reset. Since then I have been unable to boot fully, it makes the HTC sound and gets stuck at the HTC screen.
Occasionally when I reboot it it starts up clockwork recovery but I'm not sure what to do with this and how to initiate this recovery stage to start with.
I know the answers to this problem are in the forum somewhere but I'm struggling to find where to start. It seems an odd issue as it has been working fine (including switching on and off etc).
N.B. Shortly before this problem I updated ROM manager from the market
Thanks in advance
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Ok so once it boots into Clockwork recovery you have a couple of options, first did you ever make a back up of any of your roms? If yes , scroll down to backup and restore and select it, next choose Restore, It will give you a list of any roms you have backup before, choose one and it will restore to one of those backup roms, option two if you have a complete rom zip file on your sd card you can choose install zip from SD card, choose zip from SD card, apply and your good, if you dont have a rom zip on your SDcard you can put one there by selecting mounts and storage in Clockwork recovery, Mount USB storage, and put a rom on the root of you SDcard, then go back and run my option two that I just gave you, If for some reason you cant mount the sdcard, shut the phone down, remove the sdcard, use a card reader to install a zip to the root of the sdcard and then follow option two.
Remember before you flash anything wipe data/ and cache.
Panic over, having reset it numerous times and left it for well over 30 mins, it has now managed to load up properly.
Very strange!
Mods feel free to delete this topic if you like...
I don't knwo where to post this exactly so here it goes.
I installed revolution 2.09 on my rooted HTC HD without any problems.
Run perfectly. Then today I installed a ROM of a theme from this forum as well called media 1.3 with rom manager.
After the reboot my phone only shows a the text android with a slight moving glow over it. It does not repsond to anything any more. I removed the battery but the same thing is happening.
Did I brick it? What can I do?
Willem Kloppenburg said:
I don't knwo where to post this exactly so here it goes.
I installed revolution 2.09 on my rooted HTC HD without any problems.
Run perfectly. Then today I installed a ROM of a theme from this forum as well called media 1.3 with rom manager.
After the reboot my phone only shows a the text android with a slight moving glow over it. It does not repsond to anything any more. I removed the battery but the same thing is happening.
Did I brick it? What can I do?
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thats just the default android boot screen, looks like the theme messed up your framework... hold on i'll make a .zip you can flash from recovery to fix it
Thanks, but how do I get the zip on the phone? It does not react to anything anymore. I attahced it to my PC but nothing....
Willem Kloppenburg said:
Thanks, but how do I get the zip on the phone? It does not react to anything anymore. I attahced it to my PC but nothing....
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im just downloading the rom for you now so i can extract the framework, if you pull your battery out, you can either plug in your charger while its off, this will bring up recovery, or while its off, hold vol down and press power, that will take you to bootloader, and just pick recovery from the list, now when in recovery, if you navigate to the mounts and storage menu, choose the option mount usb storage, you can now connect to a pc as a disk drive and copy stuff to your sd card
im having trouble uploading attachments to xda at the min dya want me to upload it to megaupload for you?
AndroHero,
Thank you for helping me out. I didn't know about the vol down press power option which allows you to acces the sd card and intall a new rom. I had the revolution rom 2.0.9 already. It's installing as we speak. Much thanks for the tips!
To early hooray. I choose the option with the revolution zip for a complete install. After the install I selected rebouut system now. Now it stays on the white HTC screen with the text HTC quitely brilliant. Flashing every 3 seconds or so....
What to do now?
Everything is resolved. revolution is up and running again. I had to un the fullwipe.zip and that did it!
THANKS a lot for all the tips....again
Willem Kloppenburg said:
To early hooray. I choose the option with the revolution zip for a complete install. After the install I selected rebouut system now. Now it stays on the white HTC screen with the text HTC quitely brilliant. Flashing every 3 seconds or so....
What to do now?
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Did you do a full wipe before re-flashing your ROM? even if you did just repeat the process , full wipe /cache, /dalvik-cache, /system and then re-flash the rom fingers crossed it should work
Hi,
I am having a similar problem. I tried flashing the cyanogen mod and after installing it the phone doesnt boot up. Its stuck on the t-mobile boot up logo. Ive tried restoring my back up but I get the same problem.
Any help would be great!
Thanks
mo123456789 said:
Hi,
I am having a similar problem. I tried flashing the cyanogen mod and after installing it the phone doesnt boot up. Its stuck on the t-mobile boot up logo. Ive tried restoring my back up but I get the same problem.
Any help would be great!
Thanks
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boot into recovery do a full wipe (system, data, cache and dalvik-cache) then re-flash your rom
mo123456789 said:
Hi,
I am having a similar problem. I tried flashing the cyanogen mod and after installing it the phone doesnt boot up. Its stuck on the t-mobile boot up logo. Ive tried restoring my back up but I get the same problem.
Any help would be great!
Thanks
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Could it be possible that you installed cwm 3005 and tried a restore with that. I had the same problem. Went back to cwm 2.5.x and then restore worked.
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I think there will be a lot of scare because of this CWM 3x...
Same happened to me the other day, stupidly accecpted the update prompt from Rom Manager, did my backup and went to install Cyanogen 6... Got stuck at HTC logo next boot.
Thankfuly, had Leedroid 2.0 on the SD, too, and that one flashed properly
Thing is that when I try to downgrade the Recovery to 2.5x I get an error and really can't be bothered with ADB pushing stuff around, so using Cyanogen 7 for the time beeing
Anyhow, CWM 3.x is likely your problem, easy to fix ^^
Wanting to change my theme on the Samsung spica I had theexact problem on cyanogen mod. Had to redo the whole rooting and installing the Rom again to get to work.
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yes, is some script...back to recovery 2.x
Hi guys i just installed this ROM Vibrant_AOSPish_JK2 on my vibrant and all was perfect. Then i tried to condition my battery. Turned off phone with power cable connected and tried to go into recovery mod but phone stuck at vibrant screen. I pulled power cable turned off the phone and turn it on regularly and all was fine, then i turn it off again without power cable connected and it stuck again on vibrant screen. Then i went to ROM Manager and boot to recovery same thing happened phone stuck on vib screen. And now i cant turn it on anymore it stuck on vibrant screen every time. I tired to pull out battery... What should i do? Thanx in advance
Are you using the three button combo? If so and its still not working, try downloading quickboot from the market.
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With the phone hooked up to the computer pullout the battery, sim, & sd card. Then try to reboot into recovery with the volume rocker & power button. Hope that works, good luck!
You need to install busybox to be able to boot into recovery in that Rom
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zwdude2890 said:
You need to install busybox to be able to boot into recovery in that Rom
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^^this.
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I can't turn on my phone thats the problem... I tried the magic combo without luck... I had busybox installed. Maybe the problem was because i didnt have cwm properly installed. I renamed cwm installation folder to update.zip and that run it from 2e recovery. After that i can access cwm but need to repeat the procedure every time.
Finally i succeeded with Odin to solve my problem. Now im on stock rom again. Only this time i installed cwm 2.5.1.2 trough ROM manager but phone still goes to default recovery i dont know if this is normal? I want to flash to Froyo Rom where i can find clear tested version? Thank you guys for replaying and trying to help
Raaaa86 said:
I can't turn on my phone thats the problem... I tried the magic combo without luck... I had busybox installed. Maybe the problem was because i didnt have cwm properly installed. I renamed cwm installation folder to update.zip and that run it from 2e recovery. After that i can access cwm but need to repeat the procedure every time.
Finally i succeeded with Odin to solve my problem. Now im on stock rom again. Only this time i installed cwm 2.5.1.2 trough ROM manager but phone still goes to default recovery i dont know if this is normal? I want to flash to Froyo Rom where i can find clear tested version? Thank you guys for replaying and trying to help
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I'm running cwm 2.5.1.2 also, and rooted with froyo+voodoo lag fix on vibrant, phone's running great, just trying to get rid of bloatware right now, my recovery boots fine, I wiped everything then reverted back to stock 2.1 when I had issues then updated through kies to 2.2, ran super one click root, and ran voodoo through odin, got rom manager from market and recovery worked perfect. hope this helps
Raaaa86 said:
I can't turn on my phone thats the problem... I tried the magic combo without luck... I had busybox installed. Maybe the problem was because i didnt have cwm properly installed. I renamed cwm installation folder to update.zip and that run it from 2e recovery. After that i can access cwm but need to repeat the procedure every time.
Finally i succeeded with Odin to solve my problem. Now im on stock rom again. Only this time i installed cwm 2.5.1.2 trough ROM manager but phone still goes to default recovery i dont know if this is normal? I want to flash to Froyo Rom where i can find clear tested version? Thank you guys for replaying and trying to help
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the problem is, the AOSPish JK2 rom doesn't install busybox properly. You'll have to reinstall AOSPish jk2, then before rebooting, install busybox from the market. then it'll work. (the EXACT method has been described in the AOSPish jk2 thread many time, but hasn't been updated in the op)
I know for the busybox process i did that but something went wrong obviously. I repeated the process and for now everything is ok recovery is working. Thanx for help guys i appreciate that
So I bought a nook color, downloaded BN v1.2 software and went about installing CM7 on my 8GB Sandisk Class 4 microSD. I am using a Macbook to flash on the sd card.
First trial: used verygreen's instructions on this site (many thanks). Installed CM7 successfully (yay), downloaded gapps and tried to do 2 finger recovery boot (as per instructions). Didn't work, so started ROM manager, installed CWR, downloaded gapps thru ROM manager then tried to boot into recovery. This didn't work. I then read a thread which said I had to do a regular restart after installing CWR for the installation to be complete. So ...
Second trial: reinstalled CM7, started ROM manager, installed CWR, powered down, powered up, tried to install gapps thru ROM manager, and internet connection hung up. Didn't want to mess with it, so ...
Third trial: reinstalled CM7, started ROM manager, installed CWR, powered down, powered up, powered down, powered up (just in case), install gapps thru ROM manager, and still couldn't boot into recovery. Then there was a suggestion to place CM7 zip and gapps zip on my sd card at the same time prior to first run of CM& on nook, so ...
Forth trial: flash CM7 and gapps zip on sd card. Put sd card into nook, booted, installed CM7, got 3 more apps in folder, but no marketplace (which is the reason I am going through all this frustration in the first place). Started ROM manager, installed CWR, powered down, powered up, powered down, powered up, install gapps thru ROM manager (again?), and still couldn't boot into recovery.
Note: through all these iterations, I have tried booting into recovery mode
1. via ROM manager
2. via reboot options (as opposed to power off)
3. via holding the nook button and power button in different order/time lengths.
I have been messing with this for over 4 hours last night and a couple of hours today. I know that it should not be this hard, but ...
I had planned on overclocking the machine next, but I can't seem to get beyond this step.
I found the installation guide for installing overclocked CM7 with CWR on eMMC on this site, but with as much trouble as I'm having with sd card installation, I'll end up bricking the "unbrickable" nook.
Prior to all this, I tried the HC instructions, but had trouble with marketplace install then too. I figure this was more stable, most of the bugs were worked out and had more support. Any assistance with this is greatly appreciated.
So, after the last trial, and several power on's later, Marketplace showed up -> I don't need to figure out ROM manager/boot recovery right now. I don't know when it showed up though, as I was not looking for it and wasn't paying attention (O_O).
In case this might help someone else, here is my guess as to what happened. It likely showed up after one of my recovery boot attempts. I held the N button and the power button. I kept holding it after the first startup screen faded, returned, then went away again. It booted into the installation screen I got when I first installed CM7 with the penguin in the upper left hand side (in landscape mode; this is NOT the recovery screen based on the youtube vids and other images I've seen). It was very brief, and only had <20 lines of text, one of which stated something to the effect that CM was installed and it would not need to install it. My guess is that it found the gapps zip file I had put in the boot drive along with CM7 update zip file prior to installing it in the nook, and unpackaged it and installed it then.
Reference points: when I installed CM7 without the gapps, I had 25 apps on my nook. After I co-installed them, I had ~28 (not 100% sure; one of them was talk). When I found marketplace (ie after the funky recovery boot attempt mentioned above), I had 31 apps.
Shiny1 said:
So I bought a nook color, downloaded BN v1.2 software and went about installing CM7 on my 8GB Sandisk Class 4 microSD. I am using a Macbook to flash on the sd card.
First trial: used verygreen's instructions on this site (many thanks). Installed CM7 successfully (yay), downloaded gapps and tried to do 2 finger recovery boot (as per instructions). Didn't work, so started ROM manager, installed CWR, downloaded gapps thru ROM manager then ... /snip
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And there's where you started making it very complicated.
If you had read through verygreen's thread, you'd have realized that the "2 finger recovery boot" is timing sensitive. Hold N button down, hold power button, keep holding both buttons while it boots up, start counting to three only when you see "Touch the future..." come up on screen, release the N button on three but keep holding down the power button for another few seconds. And it will go into recovery.
And, you need to have wi-fi set up and enabled to install gapps/market, you can install both CM7/gapps at the same time but market won't show until wi-fi is running and a lot of people get confused. That's the reason why the instructions tell you to install CM7 first, set up your wi-fi, and then only add gapps/market after. You didn't mention setting up wi-fi, I guess somewhere along the line you did enable it and that's when market showed up.
For anyone reading this and contemplating installing CM7/gapps/market onto SD card, make sure you follow the directions in verygreen's post to the letter. It works.
I originally got CM7 and gapps working fine on my SD card in my nook. But today, I wanted to start over with another SD card. Using verygreen's step-by-step instructions again, CM7 loads fine, but for the life of me I can't get the nook to boot into recovery mode to install gapps. I swear I have tried every timing combination I can think of, but still can't get into recovery mode. I might just add gapps to the SD card when adding CM7. Then turn on wifi.
Trouble getting into Recovery Mode
Same problem here... I originally installed CM7 on an 8GB SD card back in late March, adding gapps at the same time. It's been working flawlessly, through many, many nightly updates, until yesterday when it refused to boot into Recovery mode. Now it hangs on the "Future of Reading" screen. I'm going to try wiping the SD card and starting over.
EDIT: OK...Used Easeus Partition Manager to wipe the SD card. Was then able to use verygreen's tools and steps to recreate CM7 bld 68. Then successfully updated to bld 69. Obviously lost all my data, but at least everything seems to be working.
Can't enter recovery mode either
I'm running CyanogenMod-7-05252011-NIGHTLY-encore in kernel version 2.6.32.9 [email protected] # 174, Android version 2.3.4 on a nook color I bought five days ago. I've gotten CM7 to boot.
Following the instructions to install Android Market and Google Apps on Nook Color CM7 at the-ebook-reader.com/nook-color-cm7.html hasn't worked. I can't get into recovery mode, never get the "Touch the Future of Reading" display (don't get this in B&N nook color mode either, just "Read Forever" since I installed software version 1.2.0).
I've put the gapps-gb-20110307-signed.zip file 'as is' (NOT unzipped) into the microSD card's root directory.
What happens is this: I hold down the 'n' and the main power button. The screen flashes white very briefly, then the white lettering on green cyanogen appears for less than a second before disappearing. The nook color is powered off then.
Anybody know what's going on, and how I can get into recovery mode to load the google apps pack and android market?
Got gapps to load using ROMmanager to enter recovery mode - no problems now.
Me, too--I hate to say...
I've got CM 7.0.3 running from an SD card, and everything went well until I tried to reboot into recovery mode. I've followed the instructions in the beginning of Verygreen's thread, the ones listed above (which are slightly different), tried from Rom Manager, the power button>reboot>recovery method, as well as various other tutorials and even videos. I'm still unable to get my NC to reboot into recovery mode. I double checked, and the gapps .zip file is in the correct partition, as well. I'm at a loss at this point. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and I'm sorry for all the bother.
Thank you.
UPDATE: Reformatted my sd card (on a Mac), then tried again using 7.0.3 and the 93 nightly instead of 94, and everything is working fine now. Thanks very much anyway, though!!
I am having the same issues. Brand new nook. Installer VeryGreen's instructions. Booted using sdcard, setting up wireless. Rebooted. Attempted to go into recovery mode using the key press method, using ROMmanager and via the Reboot menu option. In all instances, it just boots up normally. I also re-imaged the card with the latest stable release of CM7 but that did not make any difference.
Thoughts?
And given that I can't install the Marketplace, is there anyway to install apps? Right now I have a vanilla install, while nice, does not give me what I need in terms of functionality.
thx.
Got mine working!
I had the same issue - generic uSD v1.3, CM7 7.0.3 Stable, and couldn't get into recovery no matter what.
With nothing to lose, I started from scratch and put gapps on the uSD boot partition along with CM7, and it worked. The device was sluggish while going through the setup wizard (just decline to connect/establish an account until you exit the wizard and have enabled WiFi), but after a reboot, market is there. There were 29 apps before, and now there are 31. I think market and talk are the new ones.
Now I'm happily busy installing my apps.
Thanks to all the smart guys who make this possible.
I am having a lot of trouble getting recovery mode to actually run
I have followed the instructions and have asked a coworker for help. My 1st attempt was using the 7.0.3 stable build.My nook seems to be running CM7 fine and I was able to install the Amazon app and then download additional apps from there, but was unable to get the nook to rebot in recovery mode. I have tried a number of ways.
1) the time sequence suggested on verygreens thread (not sure I did it right)
2) power up the nook. hold the power buttong until I get a menu. select reboot in recovery mode and the select ok.
3) open the ROM manger and select reboot in recovery mode.
I have tried various repeated attempts with these while holding power,or the n button... etc. nothing happens except it boots like normal. I went into the ROM manager and updated clockwork. I also ran set permissiones in the ROM manager. then tried the various ways of rebooting in recovery mode.
I then read on here that the nightly builds worked better than 7.0.3 for one person so I formatted the SD and reattepted every listed above with the 8-8-2011 (cm_encore_full-154) nightly build. It is still not able to reboot in recovery mode.
I had 1 minor success when I turned the nook off and removed the micro SD it DID go int recovery mode. I reinserted the micor SD and used the menu to install the zip file... but after rebooting nook I still don't see any new apps.
Please someone give me some suggestions.
To all:
The installer image 1.3 from verygreens thread does not work with 7.0.3 or below. Use the 7.1.0 RC or recent nightly. 150 is supposed to be pretty good.
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Ok.. so.
I had a not-working clockwork mod, and like an idiot I used the rom manager via android to flash a new rom. So - that rom is stuck in its boot up logo over and over (team kang). And isn't moving despite waiting 10 minutes, and my clockwork mod is non functional. I can see the options in CMW but if I click one of them - I dont get the options to chose a zip/it does reboot. It simply gives me the hat with the refresh logo and no options. So CWM is not functional.
Fastboot boots, but recovery sends me to non functional CWM.
S = off, and the phone is/was rooted.
Any advise?
I hope someone is awake... lol
Try to use adb/fastboot to flash 4ext recovery. Or a new cwm recovery. You really need a functioning recovery.
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Just sayin.. 4ext is a better recovery. However, if you prefer cwm, that is up to you. But if you can use adb to flash recovery, please do it, then from hboot go into recovery and flash a known working Rom...
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So your saying volume down while power on, boot up adb on the computer/fastboot on the phone and I can somehow push a 4ext to the phone? I'll give it a try but I'm lost at the moment.
Closest I came up with was downloading the stock rom/putting it on SD card and loading it up that way.
I'll go back to DEV and check into how to flash it, but I was under the impression you had to have a working rom.
...are you making selections in recovery using the trackpad?
There is no trackpad? Volume up and down.
I just flashed 2 versions of CWM and finally got options with the touch version - then of course I lost MY sd card somewhere? Which is such a joy because I'll never find it. So I am now going to load up a rom on the SD card then install it.
Ok, got the rom installed, for my personal SD card - the other phone is booting up now, if it doesn't work atleast I can mount the SD card through CMW and such. TY original poster, I didn't actually realize you could flash files directly from the computer to the phone.
This all started when I rooted this phone because it was having battery issues/wasn't running right, then it needed to update but wouldn't because CWM was installed - so I tried to put a different rom on it but that didn't work.
YES!!!! It has booted into android just now. Score.
TY posters.
nimkiel said:
There is no trackpad? Volume up and down.
I just flashed 2 versions of CWM and finally got options with the touch version - then of course I lost MY sd card somewhere? Which is such a joy because I'll never find it. So I am now going to load up a rom on the SD card then install it.
Ok, got the rom installed, for my personal SD card - the other phone is booting up now, if it doesn't work atleast I can mount the SD card through CMW and such. TY original poster, I didn't actually realize you could flash files directly from the computer to the phone.
This all started when I rooted this phone because it was having battery issues/wasn't running right, then it needed to update but wouldn't because CWM was installed - so I tried to put a different rom on it but that didn't work.
YES!!!! It has booted into android just now. Score.
TY posters.
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no trackpad? do you have the Mytouch 4G?
the trackpad is the square like button in the bottom middle of the phone...
well anyway, i'm glad you figured it out and got it working.
nimkiel said:
There is no trackpad? Volume up and down.
I just flashed 2 versions of CWM and finally got options with the touch version - then of course I lost MY sd card somewhere? Which is such a joy because I'll never find it. So I am now going to load up a rom on the SD card then install it.
Ok, got the rom installed, for my personal SD card - the other phone is booting up now, if it doesn't work atleast I can mount the SD card through CMW and such. TY original poster, I didn't actually realize you could flash files directly from the computer to the phone.
This all started when I rooted this phone because it was having battery issues/wasn't running right, then it needed to update but wouldn't because CWM was installed - so I tried to put a different rom on it but that didn't work.
YES!!!! It has booted into android just now. Score.
TY posters.
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Cmon...not even a clik on the thanks button? Those are like battle scars! I'm just kidding..glad it worked out for you. It hurts me to hear about a bricked mt4g. They are a dying breed...
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I actually didn't know there was a like button as this was one of my first posts really. But if you want an update, I flashed it through ADB and got a working bootloader then loaded ICS which completely didn't work.
This phone is for my mom's so I reflashed it to that Virtuous Unity rom/shes now complaining of some battery drain. I didn't install setcpu because they have something else running I saw? But maybe it needs to be setup? Either way I'll just install setcpu next time I see her.
Oh, as for the trackpad... *cough*. I've held the phones many times (hundreds), but never actually realized there was a trackpad on it. My mom used it in front of me shortly after I fixed her phone..
Getting more than a day out of a Sense 4 rom with decent use. Releasing this to the public in a couple days as INDIAN MADNESS, give it a shot