how much can i get for my hd2 - HD2 General

hi all i want to sell my hd2 its a few months old and in mint condition no marks or defects comes with retail box and stuff unlocked also

DAMIEN123_666 said:
hi all i want to sell my hd2 its a few months old and in mint condition no marks or defects comes with retail box and stuff unlocked also
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Have a look here, you might have a bit more luck selling it.
They seem to sell for a little over £200 on eBay.

Ebay indicates £200-£250. I've kept my eye on a few new ones to see what they go for, and those quoted at £300-£400 don't seem to be shifting at all. I guess people looking to spend top dollar are also thinking about iPhones/Android devices etc.

Spacechimp said:
Ebay indicates £200-£250. I've kept my eye on a few new ones to see what they go for, and those quoted at £300-£400 don't seem to be shifting at all. I guess people looking to spend top dollar are also thinking about iPhones/Android devices etc.
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Aye, it's without a doubt WM 6.5 that's keeping the price down, a shame really.
*edit*Oh I missed the link to the Marketplace in my first post, doh.

Aye, WM has so much potential, especially blended with HTC's Sense UI etc. It's just a shame so many (of the already limited) apps are clunky or useless.

Its a shame that its worth so little, but with HTC releaseing new phones every month there has never been very good resale value for them.
I will be happy with £220 when mine goes on eBay tomorrow. 5 happy years of HTC ownership are about to come to an end!

Schooleydoo said:
Its a shame that its worth so little, but with HTC releaseing new phones every month there has never been very good resale value for them.
I will be happy with £220 when mine goes on eBay tomorrow. 5 happy years of HTC ownership are about to come to an end!
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..and you'll change to what phone after that, mate?

I daren't say. But it begins with an i...

Schooleydoo said:
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Rather you than I.

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Very, very sad.

its the release of hthe hd2 onto tmous that made the european version resale value go down.

lemonspeakers said:
its the release of hthe hd2 onto tmous that made the european version resale value go down.
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Along with the fact that it's on a deader than dead OS.

RoN_HD2 said:
Very, very sad.
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I'm not sure how that was intended, but I will take it positively
I'm not sad about it, I have loved all of my HTC's but unfortunately I have less time than I used to, to give the phone the attention it deserves. I need something simple and reliable.
I've no doubt I will be back, but for the short term I am excited to try something different. After 5 years of WM, it will be nice to see how the competition do things.

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Dopod U1000 from Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dopod-U1000-HTC...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Is this legit?
How else can I get a Dopod u1000 here in the US?
Thanks
fpbiii said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dopod-U1000-HTC...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Is this legit?
How else can I get a Dopod u1000 here in the US?
Thanks
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Yes that is legit. But I am sorry I wont be buying it. I buy a lot of stuff on ebay and that is well overpriced. If you want it go for it. But hey I find that overpriced.
How low can I get it for and where?
Also, will I have to wait for english ROM?
Many thanks.
fpbiii said:
How low can I get it for and where?
Also, will I have to wait for english ROM?
Many thanks.
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The one on ebay has Operation System : Microsoft Windows Mobile 5.0 for PocketPC Phone (World Wide English).... so that kinda solves your problem of the english ROM. And it solves another of your problems that you havent mentioned. That is the chinese characters on the keyboard. i am sure you wouldnt want that. But it is $1500USD...
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The one being sold here by WU15903 whatever his name is.... err he is selling for $1300USD right? But it has a chinese ROM for now not a big deal because you can overflash it. But there is one problem that the keyboard has chinese characters on it. So it is certainly a option i wouldnt choose. Almost the same price. I guess those are the only two ways to get it for you...
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But if I were you.... I would go onto google. Select preferences and select chinese, japanese, taiwanese and korean languages only. then search for 'buy dopod U1000' and many shops and other places where you can buy it for cheaper. except its all in jebrish so you gotta guess your way through using logic. and maybe you can grab yourself a sweet deal for $1000USD. hmm?
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But if you are a lazy guy and dont want to take the trouble of searching. Just close your eyes and go for the ebay one. Although you will face maybe a $300-$500USD loss. But i guess when you get the phone you wont find any flaws in it and will be very happy regardless of the price. So just go for the ebay one... lemme know what you choose.
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The one on ebay has Operation System : Microsoft Windows Mobile 5.0 for PocketPC Phone (World Wide English).... so that kinda solves your problem of the english ROM. And it solves another of your problems that you havent mentioned. That is the chinese characters on the keyboard. i am sure you wouldnt want that. But it is $1500USD...
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The one being sold here by WU15903 whatever his name is.... err he is selling for $1300USD right? But it has a chinese ROM for now not a big deal because you can overflash it. But there is one problem that the keyboard has chinese characters on it. So it is certainly a option i wouldnt choose. Almost the same price. I guess those are the only two ways to get it for you...
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But if I were you.... I would go onto google. Select preferences and select chinese, japanese, taiwanese and korean languages only. then search for 'buy dopod U1000' and many shops and other places where you can buy it for cheaper. except its all in jebrish so you gotta guess your way through using logic. and maybe you can grab yourself a sweet deal for $1000USD. hmm?
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But if you are a lazy guy and dont want to take the trouble of searching. Just close your eyes and go for the ebay one. Although you will face maybe a $300-$500USD loss. But i guess when you get the phone you wont find any flaws in it and will be very happy regardless of the price. So just go for the ebay one... lemme know what you choose.
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i am pretty there will be extra keyboard you can buy in the future, possibly with number row on top as well
wu5262 said:
i am pretty there will be extra keyboard you can buy in the future, possibly with number row on top as well
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Oh thats nice. How much? That keyboard looks really nice. Maybe another $150?
nuclear said:
Oh thats nice. How much? That keyboard looks really nice. Maybe another $150?
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it's not out yet, but if an extra number row is there, i don't mind spending $150 for it
wu5262 said:
i am pretty there will be extra keyboard you can buy in the future, possibly with number row on top as well
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That's interesting wu. Never thought of how simply that could be done. I'm definitely up for a sturdier keyboard anyway and an extra number row would make life easier.
mackaby007 said:
That's interesting wu. Never thought of how simply that could be done. I'm definitely up for a sturdier keyboard anyway and an extra number row would make life easier.
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Anyways going back to the topic. what have you decided fpbiii? where will you buy the dopod u1000 from?
Still haven't decided.
Believe it or not, the dealbreaker will be if it can fit in my pants pocket and I can handle the discomfort.
Can someone please post a picture of this thing in your pocket or something to help me decide. Once I know, I will buy! I like the one on ebay, but paying 1500 is outrageous. I will wait until it comes down around 1100 or so. I would take either the silver or black one.
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That's interesting wu. Never thought of how simply that could be done. I'm definitely up for a sturdier keyboard anyway and an extra number row would make life easier.
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haha, we might see different colour of keyboard as well. Man, this device got so many possibility.
fpbiii said:
Still haven't decided.
Believe it or not, the dealbreaker will be if it can fit in my pants pocket and I can handle the discomfort.
Can someone please post a picture of this thing in your pocket or something to help me decide. Once I know, I will buy! I like the one on ebay, but paying 1500 is outrageous. I will wait until it comes down around 1100 or so. I would take either the silver or black one.
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btw, silver and black is the only two colour you can get as well
fpbiii said:
Still haven't decided.
Believe it or not, the dealbreaker will be if it can fit in my pants pocket and I can handle the discomfort.
Can someone please post a picture of this thing in your pocket or something to help me decide. Once I know, I will buy! I like the one on ebay, but paying 1500 is outrageous. I will wait until it comes down around 1100 or so. I would take either the silver or black one.
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Ok if you want the black one order it from 972telecom.com. thats where i have also placed my pre-order. Its around $1000CDN on pre-order. Much cheaper than the dopod u1000 and much better. Let me know what you decide. You will have to pay $50-$100 on customs. I agree $1500USD is outrageous. And truly its uncomfortable in the pockets of your trousers. There is a high chance you might damage the screen or keyboard in your pocket. It is like a mini-book in the trouser! very discomforting. I am sure you dont need to see pictures for that
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Let me know what you decide ^^ because i would highly recommend 972telecom.com a store in montreal. Very good store. I will be picking up my black athena from there in april.
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Ok if you want the black one order it from 972telecom.com. thats where i have also placed my pre-order. Its around $1000CDN on pre-order. Much cheaper than the dopod u1000 and much better. Let me know what you decide. You will have to pay $50-$100 on customs. I agree $1500USD is outrageous. And truly its uncomfortable in the pockets of your trousers. There is a high chance you might damage the screen or keyboard in your pocket. It is like a mini-book in the trouser! very discomforting. I am sure you dont need to see pictures for that
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Let me know what you decide ^^ because i would highly recommend 972telecom.com a store in montreal. Very good store. I will be picking up my black athena from there in april.
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so did they say even if the device comes out to be more expensive, they won't charge you more from the pre-order price? if that's the case, then great news. However, when you say it's much better then DOPOD U1000? what do you mean? they are the same? just the colour is different? is that your personal view point again?
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so did they say even if the device comes out to be more expensive, they won't charge you more from the pre-order price? if that's the case, then great news. However, when you say it's much better then DOPOD U1000? what do you mean? they are the same? just the colour is different? is that your personal view point again?
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Yes all the devices have similar spec's. I just prefer the black one because of the material it uses and I have never possessed a HTC Branded phone before. I dont know how much of your story about dopod is true but they are certainly a huge company like t-mobile. I also like the material HTC used for the body frame part. Anyways the pre-order price is fixed. I can pay it all off now or later. But the price is fixed and i will ask him to send me an invoice/quote to proove it hence.
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Regardless, what i find amazing is that htcphonestore.com still retails Universal for $1100USD and Athena is only $1500USD.... i mean like does that mean that not much has changed from Universal -> Athena? Because I find that Universal is only worth maybe $500 - $600USD.
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Yes all the devices have similar spec's. I just prefer the black one because of the material it uses and I have never possessed a HTC Branded phone before. I dont know how much of your story about dopod is true but they are certainly a huge company like t-mobile. I also like the material HTC used for the body frame part. Anyways the pre-order price is fixed. I can pay it all off now or later. But the price is fixed and i will ask him to send me an invoice/quote to proove it hence.
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actually, the devices have exactly the same spec. btw have you hold an Advantage in your hand? did you go to the 3GSM? just want to know that.
Well, if the pre-order price is fix, then you can send a e-mail to expansys or mobile planet to tell them to remove their listing of Advantage, because they won't get any order if the price elsewhere is so much cheaper.
Also, this is just my PERSONAL though, the website you place pre-order on, it doesn't look very professional for me, any one think the same way?
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actually, the devices have exactly the same spec. btw have you hold an Advantage in your hand? did you go to the 3GSM? just want to know that.
Well, if the pre-order price is fix, then you can send a e-mail to expansys or mobile planet to tell them to remove their listing of Advantage, because they won't get any order if the price elsewhere is so much cheaper.
Also, this is just my PERSONAL though, the website you place pre-order on, it doesn't look very professional for me, any one think the same way?
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why dont you fly to their store then.. and yes i havent held a Advantage in my hand ever. But just so that why dont you call HTC and ask them what material is the body made of? prolly that will satisfy you?
nuclear said:
why dont you fly to their store then.. and yes i havent held a Advantage in my hand ever. But just so that why dont you call HTC and ask them what material is the body made of? prolly that will satisfy you?
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man, i though you have been following the post before, i was one of the tester of Advantage, i actually hold one in front of me before. I don't need to call them, because there is nothing i can find out. Basically, the only difference between them are the colour, material is down to your personal taste, all i can say is DOPOD (probably Ameo as well) is smoother surface, where Advantage is rougher.
One thing i am sure is you will be flashing DOPOD or Ameo Rom in the future.
p.s. And also, i am not saying the store is fake, i am just saying their website doesn't look very professional.
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man, i though you have been following the post before, i was one of the tester of Advantage, i actually hold one in front of me before. I don't need to call them, because there is nothing i can find out. Basically, the only difference between them are the colour, material is down to your personal taste, all i can say is DOPOD (probably Ameo as well) is smoother surface, where Advantage is rougher.
One thing i am sure is you will be flashing DOPOD or Ameo Rom in the future.
p.s. And also, i am not saying the store is fake, i am just saying their website doesn't look very professional.
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Thats fine i dont have anything to do with their website. Even if their website was simple text based. I only need the phone. ^^
nuclear said:
Thats fine i dont have anything to do with their website. Even if their website was simple text based. I only need the phone. ^^
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well, if you have place your pre-order, then there is nothing i can say,
although i will suggest any other people who consider buying the Advantage to wait until it's actually in-stock.
If the price is like what nuclear said so much cheaper than the official price, than i am sure all other store will have it as well. Don't rush yourself into this. Better wait and see, maybe you can get a even better deal!
Not much different if you place your pre-order now, you will still get it around the same time.

Why on earth are people paying $1200 for this phone?

Have you guys seen the pre-release models? I love the phone, I think it will be great, but every pre-release model I've seen has been a buggy piece of garbage. Not to be judged considering the software isn't close to complete on those models, but I don't understand why people are paying $1200 on eBay for a phone that's so glitchy.
To be first to have it, to be unique... who knows...
yea i remember when i was very into getting unique phones and i wanted to stand out have something that everybody didn't have
but this was when phones where a lot cheaper in pre-released states
but it's to be unique and different and to have that new thing before everbody does
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I think I remember not to long ago when Black93300ZX was bragging about being the first having a certain phone bragging that he paid 900.00 or something for it.
I can't believe it. Black93300ZX is banned again. What did he do this time?
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I think I remember not to long ago when Black93300ZX was bragging about being the first having a certain phone bragging that he paid 900.00 or something for it.
I can't believe it. Black93300ZX is banned again. What did he do this time?
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ha i just realized it when i got the notice for this thread in my email i was like wait didn't Black buy a touch pro/fuze for 900 on ebay like a month or two ago.
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I can't believe it. Black93300ZX is banned again. What did he do this time?
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I would hazard a guess at oxyMORONic posts like the OP...
i dont mind bidding on sony x1 on ebay!
i need something new to play with!
i getting tired of qvga and vga!
i want a wvga phone!
i want to bid on ebay, but those (scums) sellers never reply to my questions!

To Upgrade or not To Upgrade

Hello all,
I currently have a Raphael, running a just about bedded-in NRG ROM, with Sense 2.1 and all the trimmings. My Orange UK contract is up and I have moved to a 1 month rolling SIM, as I couldn't get a 12 Month contract with a phone anywhere.
So my question to you Leo owners is, is it worth £490 of my non-existent money to upgrade to this phone?!
Stuart
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is it worth £490 of my non-existent money to upgrade to this phone?!
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This one man's opinion is YES.
I hated my Samsung BlackJack & BlackJack II, and was VERY disappointed in my HTC TouchPro (Raphael). I realize some other people have had problems, but after 3 weeks with this phone I have no big complaints and I am quite happy with the purchase.
Of course, please buy food and clothing with your non-existent money first. No phone is worth starving to death
I agree. Buy it. Buy it now. In fact, why are you wasting time on this forum when you could be out buying a HD2??
Nah, seriously there are issues, which I'm sure you're aware of, and it seems that some batches of the phone have had lots of issues, whilst others have virtually none, so it's just pot-luck.
If you can, it may be worth waiting a few months to see if HTC sort out the current issues.
Personally, I've got one of the good ones and I have very few problems. I can type on it faster than any phone I've ever had, and I usually only have to reset it when I do something wrong!
I couldn't recommend it more, but I can't promise you'll get one of the good ones.
Awesome
Thanks for your answers...
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and was VERY disappointed in my HTC TouchPro (Raphael)
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No, I am really happy with the Raphael, especially with EnergyROM
Of course, please buy food and clothing with your non-existent money first. No phone is worth starving to death
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lol, no Phone before food any day!, I probably do spend more time on my phone than eating!!!
The money situation isn't completely bleak as I have saved money on my monthly contract by switching to sim only.
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I agree. Buy it. Buy it now. In fact, why are you wasting time on this forum when you could be out buying a HD2??
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Good point ...
oh wait, I am holding out till I win one on the Modaco competition tomorrow lol!!
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Nah, seriously there are issues, which I'm sure you're aware of, and it seems that some batches of the phone have had lots of issues, whilst others have virtually none, so it's just pot-luck.
If you can, it may be worth waiting a few months to see if HTC sort out the current issues.
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Not really what I want a luck of the draw phone purchasing lottery!!
And knowing my luck I will get one where the screen was put in the wrong way round!!
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I can type on it faster than any phone I've ever had, and I usually only have to reset it when I do something wrong!
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Thats good because I am a little worried about not having my hardware keyboard any more.
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I couldn't recommend it more, but I can't promise you'll get one of the good ones.
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Now to persuade myself to spend the money!!
Stu

New HD2 On its way :-)

Hey All
Just ordered myself a HD2 off of Ebay. Paid $750aud inc shipping. Finally decided to retire my slow old Xperia X1, will prob just keep using it to test new rom's that come out....
Now I have a few questions. Are they're any special tweaks or cabs to install to make it better? What case's are people mainly using with the HD2? Any general problems or things I should know?
Thanks everyone
I think that is very personal.
I am using cookie tab now and it is very good for what i like about a phone. Just look around this forum and read, try and experience !
It`s very nice to try tweaks especially if they are in a cab. If you don`t like it, just uninstall. If anything is not good the folks here will help you set thing right again.
Its a great forum for a great phone
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Hey All
Just ordered myself a HD2 off of Ebay. Paid $750aud inc shipping. Finally decided to retire my slow old Xperia X1, will prob just keep using it to test new rom's that come out....
Now I have a few questions. Are they're any special tweaks or cabs to install to make it better? What case's are people mainly using with the HD2? Any general problems or things I should know?
Thanks everyone
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You will not be disappointed... I was worried about the lack of keyboard when I made the change from the X1 to the HD2 and I can tell you its not a problem... for tweaks a must is BSB Tweaks (found on here in a sticky I think), has loads of tweaks that are very handy... there is also a thread on things to do with your HD2 when you get it... some of them are covered by bsb others not so much all handy... I have not yet had a problem with my HD2 but some do... again there are loads of threads about this problem or that... so far (touches wood as probably just jinxed myself) its been all gravy...
I reckon you should stay with the oem rom for at least a week and research this forum. customising your hd2 is a very personal thing, what suits one will not suit another. there's a thread which people post there must have apps, I would try there first. that's my opinion
It is interesting to see how fast the pricing of the Leo drops from 820AUD at the end of Jan to 750AUD now.
But anyway I recommand you to test your device for few days before doing some flashing or customising to see if there is any hardware issues
If I were you I would install several tweak softwares like BSB and HD2Tweak.
just to cover all the available reg tweaks
Just my tiny bit of advice
The Leo should amaze you lol
Cheers
CN23
hi guys, i want to ask~
is AU's telstra version hd2 using exactly the same frequencies with US's T MOBILE versions?
thank you.
im not sure if AU's version can use China's WCDMA frequencies.
Ebay
I just hope you get it. I ordered a phone via ebay before and got burnt along with many others, had a good rep etc. Anyway Ebay are basically useless in terms of assisting to get any $ back.
Other than that you'll love it, its a great phone and very customizable.
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I just hope you get it. I ordered a phone via ebay before and got burnt along with many others, had a good rep etc. Anyway Ebay are basically useless in terms of assisting to get any $ back.
Other than that you'll love it, its a great phone and very customizable.
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Its not true. Paypal buyer protection is very good. They always return my money when they should. And the seller must prove that you got the parcel.
Yer I was planning on staying on the stock rom for a bit....funny I used to flash my xperia to be like a stock HTC phone, so yer the stock rom should keep me happy for a few weeks...
Yer I was a bit skeptical about having only an onscreen keyboard, one of the things I loved about the xperia was the HW keyboard
Cant wait till it arrives, it looks like an amazing phone
you should have waited for wp7 phone
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you should have waited for wp7 phone
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lol, you are SO gutted aren't you? want to sell me your hd2?
I geeve yoo plenty good priceee
hoss_n2 said:
you should have waited for wp7 phone
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As far as has been put out by Microsoft we won't see any WP7 phones till holiday time, i.e end of year. That's a mighty long time to wait.
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As far as has been put out by Microsoft we won't see any WP7 phones till holiday time, i.e end of year. That's a mighty long time to wait.
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only 6 monthes
samsamuel said:
lol, you are SO gutted aren't you? want to sell me your hd2?
I geeve yoo plenty good priceee
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don't you already have one ?
LordLugard said:
As far as has been put out by Microsoft we won't see any WP7 phones till holiday time, i.e end of year. That's a mighty long time to wait.
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I had asked HTC on twitter when the new win7 phones will be coming out since I was interested in the hd2, they told me that the first phones will be for sale in Q4,
Right now i dont know exactly what to do. But ill give it a chance and hope for an update. So ill be getting the HD2 tonight.
I bought an xperia last year in feb and was really dissapointed when there werent any new official panels, thnx to XDA I pimped my phone a little bit. But now when I recieve my new phone tonight, ill give my old Xperia to my mother who needs a new phone
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Its not true. Paypal buyer protection is very good. They always return my money when they should. And the seller must prove that you got the parcel.
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Unfortunately not in my case and with 32 other people. Thats how many people this guy stung. Through letters from all victims, QLD police investigated, and the guy was tracked down and currently behind bars, this was the update from the police however still no money despite chasing for it.
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you should have waited for wp7 phone
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Like 6-7 month you mean ? Sure that a good idea.

[PULLED] Due to very unflattering HD2 reviews. I apologize.

I read a couple review, Gizmodo and few others. I see that having T-Mobile, I am better off with my Nexus. I apologize.
Just out of interest, why are you wanting a HD2 over a Nexus 1?
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Just out of interest, why are you wanting a HD2 over a Nexus 1?
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It's my 4th Android device, and as much as I love Android, and seeing as I've already gone through everything I can do with my iPhone, I'd like to see what WinMo is all about.
wait after mix10 and you will find allot of people who wants your nexus one instead of their hd2
I have HTC HD2 & was thinking of the Nexus Mmmm, sounds interesting....
i will exchange. new condition, unlocked and with a free case. I'm based in Derby so I'll even pay your petrol money. pm me for details. Leon.
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I'll even pay your petrol money.
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i think the OP is in america, , thats gonna be quite an expensive fuel bill!
lol I've just noticed that. looks like it'd be postage instead then
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wait after mix10 and you will find allot of people who wants your nexus one instead of their hd2
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What is mix10?
leoni1980 said:
i will exchange. new condition, unlocked and with a free case. I'm based in Derby so I'll even pay your petrol money. pm me for details. Leon.
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Can you send pics and details
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I have HTC HD2 & was thinking of the Nexus Mmmm, sounds interesting....
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What do you find to be the downside of the HD2
I'm not sure what the band situation is as mine is a UK model. I can send you pics if you wish though. I've not even opened the headphones or touched the packaging since I got it and I've had it in a case with a screen protector since day one.
I come from Android and iPhone and found the SMS app and its alternatives to be inferior. I send up to 4200 texts a day and have to constantly delete threads to prevent the app slowing down.
I also use Twitter and IM a lot and Android presents a great deal more options.
I do love my HD2. I even carry a spare battery as I use it so often, but I get fed up of the bugs.
Maybe I'll regret it when I get rid as my handset is one of the few not to have a screen sensitivity bug: it works perfectly with no ghost typing or weird flitting between letters; my other three suffered annoyingly from this hardware problem.
leoni1980 said:
I send up to 4200 texts a day
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Sorry to barge in, as I'm not looking to trade, but please say that was a typo...
oopsy.
yes, even I would struggle to hold down a career and social life sending 126000 text messages per month!
Wow thats a lot. I send like 8000 a month. The most ive done was 2000 in like two days.
ezeddiekun said:
Wow thats a lot. I send like 8000 a month. The most ive done was 2000 in like two days.
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Are you 13 by any chance?
BlackElvis79 said:
What do you find to be the downside of the HD2
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I love the HD2 but I get on better with Android, my phone is sim free and I have the proporta flip case.
BlackElvis79 said:
What is mix10?
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it is a conference made by microsoft where the confirmatiin that hd2 will not get the wp7 upgrade will be announced
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