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Ive messed with pocket cm and a few others. What are you all using for a CM? Anything that loads at least as fast as the stock one?
I use the Pocket CM .16 It loads a bit faster than .15. If you find other let us know.
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pocketcm obviously.
PocketCM .16.
I use PocketCM also...just started actually. I'm having a few problems though. Any help would be appreciated.
1) In SMS, the keyboard pops up even when I'm using the built-in. I can't figure out how to stop it.
2) My outgoing SMS disappear for some reason
3) When I get a new SMS message, I still get the notification from the native messaging program, and not from PocketCM
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I use PocketCM also...just started actually. I'm having a few problems though. Any help would be appreciated.
1) In SMS, the keyboard pops up even when I'm using the built-in. I can't figure out how to stop it.
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Can't help with the last two. I get the notifications, didn't think of it as abnormal. The sent message disappearing was just a matter of scrolling down for me.
But the first with the keyboard popping up...
Go to the very top, middle of screen, press it, press "choose SIP" and choose "menubutton.nosip.tex".
If you're using PocketCM keyboard, that is notorious for getting "stuck". I removed it. You have to soft reset to get rid of it.
Thanks Frankenbike. That worked for the SIP.
As for the sent messages disappearing...they're nowhere. As soon as I navigate away from a conversation, they diseappear, and when I go back to a conversation, all of the sent ones are gone and I just have the incoming ones. It's weird.
hey, you need to go into mail settings and tell it to save copies of sent messages, then it will keep all of your sent messages there (don't delete them from the default program either...or they dissappear)
as for the sent message thing, if you look there is a cab file for a registry edit that gets rid of the sent message notification
as for the default messaging taking over... 0.15 would take over sms, but 0.16 won't... yet, it has been discussed on pocketcm.com, and apparently when the full release comes it, 0.16 will do that as well.
goodluck
I'm fed up with PocketCM. It's a great project and service for the community, but it's majorly buggy with every release. Not to mention, I've tried all the suggestions to try and stop it from defaulting as the sms program, but nothing changes.
I don't know what he's talking about when he says change your settings.ini when you received a new text.
I've looked at funcontact and icontact, and both seem much more robust and polished, then again funcontact is not free. I'm gonna give them a shot and I'll report back here =D
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I'm fed up with PocketCM.
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remember that pocketcm is still a beta program. its only v.15 stable release. I expect great things once it reaches v1
I tried Finger Friendly, PocketCM (which is good) and a couple others; I just decided to stick with stock. With quick index and touchflo, I can get to whomever I want to call pretty quick...
...and its just one less app loaded and taking room/memory.
Pocket CM Rocks....!!!! HAVENt used anything else. Love my Photo for contacts.. With my Outlook. Its great...
SMS PocketCM NOT sending
I downloaded PocketCM .19 a few days ago. I sent an SMS once and after that it stopped working. What can i do to fix this?
random access
I use the HTC app random access - seems to work well, has all the letters on the side of the screen for finger friendly scrolling. I took it from the all HTC OEM apps post.
FunContacts by vito technology looks like a good smooth app and loads/responds fast (very similar to pocketCM), but I will stick with Random Access until they integrate the SMS (coming soon!) <-- as promised on the website for the past 3 months lol ...http://www.iwindowsmobile.com/
EDIT: of course if Windows Mobile 6.1 delivers as promised with SMS messaging no one will care
definitely a random access guy, myself. tried pocketcm, hated the integrated texting. i like the texting that comes with WM. if there was a way to completely remove it from that app it would be great but ill stick to RA until then
I use icontact. Its easy to use and scrolls with my finger.
I like Pocket CM, much better than the built in WM one. Integrated SMS is great. The built in WM SMS is so clumsy.
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I downloaded PocketCM .19 a few days ago. I sent an SMS once and after that it stopped working. What can i do to fix this?
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You need to hold Send for about a sec or 2. he created a delay and i think on his website he mentions how to lower or higher the threshold
using the original sms prog with pocketcm i find works better
ok so this phone is the best phone i have had.. except who ever tested the text messaging app must not have alot of friends..
i get about 20 people in the list of messages and my whole phone messes up..
i click one guy and the message gets sent to the guy at the bottom of the list.
you gotta really watch out, because it has the right name but the wrong number.
when i click messages from someone with more then 20 it takes 20 seconds to load them up and sometimes when i go back to the today screen the phone crashes..
sometimes i hear the text message sound and i have no new messages..
come to find out the message went ON TOP of the list from that sender.. not on the bottom.
sometimes the indicator that you have a new message never goes away, even after you read it..
anyone else having huge text problems?
first of all great title
im completely with you mate the texting on this phone is a joke
who's clever idea was it to load every single text every time you want to send 1?
plus the keyboard lag is a royal pain in the ass especially as im a fast typer
i have had no problems with sending texts to wrong people however, i think, maybe some people are having a real laugh at my expense..
i hope it gets fixed soon
i just dont understand how an iphone, with some 400mhz processor is 100x smoother than this phone
there must be some real fault somewhere
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ok so this phone is the best phone i have had.. except who ever tested the text messaging app must not have alot of friends..
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that was really funny.
ROM 1.66 fixed much of this, but still known bugs remain - as reported in this forum.
You were lucky not to be around in Dec 09, when you had to soft reset every time you sent an sms which got 'stuck' in the Outbox!!!
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i forgot to put in that is the tmobile US HD2..
The HTC messaging app is not meant for hardcore text messagers. To stop it from loading every message, you can tap on a message then hit back.
One of the solutions is to disable the HTC messaging and use the default WM6.5 threaded SMS. Google search "disable HTC messaging" and look for Zenyee's CAB to disable it, then look in the WM Theme forum here to find some nice looking WM SMS themes.
The other solution is to disable HTC messaging and use something like BsB Tweaks to enable SMS classic mode, which takes you to an older version of the SMS app when you tap on a message in the messaging tab, that doesn't lag like the new one does, but it doesn't look as nice.
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i forgot to put in that is the tmobile US HD2..
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I send 100-150 texts a day, and receive just as much.
I never have any problems.
i use full QWERTY and texting speed is quite nice. I mean, multi-touch keyboard would be NICE, but it gets the job done for now.
As much as TMOUS stock ROM fixed lots of glitches, it still doesn't beat most of the ROMs cooked by chefs here.
Try flashing (at your own risk, of course), then see how much your phone has evolved.
Have you tried changing it from conversation mode to traditional mode?
Menu, settings, traditional mode
are there any different messaging clients which can be used instead?
Does anyone know if the new messaging client from the thread below works on the T-Mo US version? More specifically on the original ROM (not the updates one tmobile released with the screen sensitivity issues?)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700495
That I am not sure b/c in order to install a new messaging you would need to uninstall the old one which is not possible on a stock rom (as far as I know) That sucks too b/c the 1.8 version fixes a lot of the issues you are most likely having
I just installed it last night on the original Tmo HD2 stock ROM (2.10), and it seems to be working just fine for the most part.
I used the 2015 version on that thread, not the 2016. Installed just the cab for the new client, didn't bother updating the .mui file he provides, since I don't care about the securebox. It installed without a hitch and replaced the stock 2012 version of the client.
The only issue I seem to be having is an odd SMS notification icon (new, not sent...) show up in the taskbar, and my batt meter isn't showing there now for some reason. I'm sure I just goofed a step somewhere, I just haven't had the time to figure it out yet.
But, the bottom line is that the client does install and work on the first stock tmo ROM, I just can't say yet if it's faster (though I'm sure it is) because I haven't filled it up with enough messages yet to stress-test it
Same here, installed v15 on stock tmo ROM, so far so good. One minor but annoying bug, it says that i have a new unread text message but i really don't.
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That I am not sure b/c in order to install a new messaging you would need to uninstall the old one which is not possible on a stock rom (as far as I know) That sucks too b/c the 1.8 version fixes a lot of the issues you are most likely having
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There is no need to uninstall the old one, the way WM works with ROM files is an newer file that "overwrites" a ROM file is sorta mapped into place. The original file is still there in ROM but the newer version is used, if the newer version of the file is deleted or app uninstalled then the ROM file comes back.
as already reported this does work I just installed it on mine and it definitely seems faster. i had been archiving all my SMS every week and then deleting the database, I might attempt to reinsert all my weekly archives in and see what happens. Think ill give the messaging app a few days make sure nothing weird comes up.
As for the icon, yeah it did change over the stock sms notification icon. the envelope with word balloon looking icon is gone. now a new sms is a white envelope and new emails are a black envelope. I noticed this change in the 2014 messaging app that i installed a few weeks back
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Same here, installed v15 on stock tmo ROM, so far so good. One minor but annoying bug, it says that i have a new unread text message but i really don't.
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I had seen this prior with the old messaging client while restoring backups into the database. I think the DB entry gets corrupt. If its showing which if your contacts have the unread message, try sending them a message and have them send back. That seemed to have fixed it prior, you could also try a battery pull
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There is no need to uninstall the old one, the way WM works with ROM files is an newer file that "overwrites" a ROM file is sorta mapped into place. The original file is still there in ROM but the newer version is used, if the newer version of the file is deleted or app uninstalled then the ROM file comes back.
as already reported this does work I just installed it on mine and it definitely seems faster. i had been archiving all my SMS every week and then deleting the database, I might attempt to reinsert all my weekly archives in and see what happens. Think ill give the messaging app a few days make sure nothing weird comes up.
As for the icon, yeah it did change over the stock sms notification icon. the envelope with word balloon looking icon is gone. now a new sms is a white envelope and new emails are a black envelope. I noticed this change in the 2014 messaging app that i installed a few weeks back
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Well I stand corrected, I always knew it to not work that way. Thanks for the info!
Yeah I noticed the different icons on 2014 too but I just install a custom taskbar anyway that takes care of that.
So far I noticed that it does improving loading quite a bit. And the issue where it highlights the last message is finally gone, that was my biggest gripe.
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Yeah I noticed the different icons on 2014 too but I just install a custom taskbar anyway that takes care of that.
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Hey Chris, what custom taskbar are you using? I've got dinik's anastasia taskbar icons right now, and the new odd-looking notification icons are still showing unskinned....but, I didn't reinstall the taskbar after putting the new msg client on, so maybe that's what it requires. I'd still like to know which one you're using that skins them though, in case I need to troubleshoot further, thanks!
Just installed it so far so good, seems pretty quick..
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Hey Chris, what custom taskbar are you using? I've got dinik's anastasia taskbar icons right now, and the new odd-looking notification icons are still showing unskinned....but, I didn't reinstall the taskbar after putting the new msg client on, so maybe that's what it requires. I'd still like to know which one you're using that skins them though, in case I need to troubleshoot further, thanks!
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These are the 2 files that control the icons in the messaging client.
MessagingRes.dll & MMSRes_480x800.dll
Does this updated message client (2015 and 2016) and anything to the messaging system other than speeding it up? Any new features? I've always found the HTC messaging on the HD2 very lacking compared to say, my Omnia II.
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I had seen this prior with the old messaging client while restoring backups into the database. I think the DB entry gets corrupt. If its showing which if your contacts have the unread message, try sending them a message and have them send back. That seemed to have fixed it prior, you could also try a battery pull
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I've got this issue too, and I wish it went away by just replying...I haven't found a solution other than a soft-reset, or just ignoring the damn thing
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Yeah I noticed the different icons on 2014 too but I just install a custom taskbar anyway that takes care of that.
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zelendel said:
These are the 2 files that control the icons in the messaging client.
MessagingRes.dll & MMSRes_480x800.dll
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Thanks guys, a simple re-install of the custom taskbar cleared it up
Now, if I could just get rid of the extra sms notification. It always starts at "2", whenever I get a single new incoming message, and won't return to "0" till I soft-reset
i downloaded the 2015 all in one cab and so far so good. well i havent really texted but the only thing thats annoying is that everytime i send a message it tells me it was successfully sent how do i disable that
i know theres is a way i seen the option but i just fogot
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i downloaded the 2015 all in one cab and so far so good. well i havent really texted but the only thing thats annoying is that everytime i send a message it tells me it was successfully sent how do i disable that
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Use a reg editor to make this entry
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Jataayu\Messaging]
"DisableSMSSuccess"=dword:1 Or use the cab
thanks alot. so far i have not experience any lagg. when switching to landscape its nice and quick. i am going to let others know. hey guys i think we found the cure for aids.
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Thanks guys, a simple re-install of the custom taskbar cleared it up
Now, if I could just get rid of the extra sms notification. It always starts at "2", whenever I get a single new incoming message, and won't return to "0" till I soft-reset
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Glad you took care of it, yeah I am using Steve007 located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637858 if you are still interested.
im surprised there isnt more activity on this thread. this is kind of a big deal. has anyone with a tmous 2.13 rom running spb shell had any success with this?
thanks
jason
jason370 said:
im surprised there isnt more activity on this thread. this is kind of a big deal. has anyone with a tmous 2.13 rom running spb shell had any success with this?
thanks
jason
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There's actually a separate thread just for the new client itself, this is just one that got started in this area...the link is in the 1st post of this one.
Hello everyone!
Just recently I got the 2.2 OTA for my Droid (rooted) and I'm absolutely loving it, except for one thing: the new MMS app. I strongly dislike the new look; I don't want to see my own profile icon and I definitely don't want to see several of each icon. I really liked the way the Eclair MMS app looked, and I really liked seeing my friends' facebook statuses next to their contact icon.
I've tried replacing the Froyo Mms.apk with the Eclair Mms.apk, which could display everything and worked perfectly fine except for when I actually went to send a message. It would force close and never show that the message actually sent, even though I got replies back, so I know they sent. Also, in order to get this to work, I had to remove Mms.odex. Once I saw that the Eclair app displayed everything and seemed to work fine, I (foolishly) erased my backup of Mms.odex and now I can't run the standard Froyo Mms.apk. Luckily, I did find a modified app that I can use in the meantime, so I'm not totally out of luck right now.
Is there any way to get the old Eclair MMS app/look back? I would REALLY love it! And please don't just suggest Handcent or Chomp. I've tried them and I just don't like them. I went through all the styling and customization options and I just couldn't get it to look like I want. All I want is the old Eclair app back, not alternatives (unless they look almost identical to Eclair's). If it's impossible, I guess I'll deal with it, but "impossible" and "Android" don't really go together...
Thanks in advance!
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I attached two screenshots taken out of an emulator, just in case anyone isn't familiar (why you'd need to see them, I dunno, but I figure more info is better).
Bump. This is a good question. I hadn't really even though about how much better the 2.1 vs 2.2 SMS/MMS app. I knew there was something different but thank you for laying it out. I'm having a problem where the app isn't posting my icon. It is synced with my Facebook contacts so I don't see why it doesn't show my avatar, and if it isn't supposed to then why even change it? No sir, I don't like it. If there is any way to downgrade to the earlier messaging app I would very much be interested in knowing.
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Bump. This is a good question. I hadn't really even though about how much better the 2.1 vs 2.2 SMS/MMS app. I knew there was something different but thank you for laying it out. I'm having a problem where the app isn't posting my icon. It is synced with my Facebook contacts so I don't see why it doesn't show my avatar, and if it isn't supposed to then why even change it? No sir, I don't like it. If there is any way to downgrade to the earlier messaging app I would very much be interested in knowing.
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if its the problerm im thinking of, you need to make a Me contact, and put your picture there
Shameless bump. Still driving me crazy. Hoping there's an alternative by now?
Hello All,
Just wanted to say that the new update is awesome. I was looking through the settings and I can seem to find option to change the wake button. Is there an option to change the wake button?
Love the new update Zip!
Eric
Don't flame him guys. He doesn't have enough posts to put this in Zips thread.
Glad you like the ROM, and welcome to the forum.
I'm about an hour out from being able to install it so I can't answer your question. I can, however, tell you that if you are wanting trackpad wake its not happening on ICS yet.
only option i saw is to set volume buttons to wake phone
Gmail Issue
I'm a newbie as well, and know this question probably fits better in the dev section, but don't have enough posts to put it there. I have been lurking on here for a while, learned a ton. I've been using Zip's 3.11 ROM for a while, no problems and loved it! I flashed the new 4.01 ROM and ever since have been having trouble with Gmail syncing. It seems my phone is not receiving push notifications. The only way I get any emails is if I manually press the sync button in the gmail app. Wondering if anyone else has this problem or know of anything I could try to fix it.
Thanks!
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I'm a newbie as well, and know this question probably fits better in the dev section, but don't have enough posts to put it there. I have been lurking on here for a while, learned a ton. I've been using Zip's 3.11 ROM for a while, no problems and loved it! I flashed the new 4.01 ROM and ever since have been having trouble with Gmail syncing. It seems my phone is not receiving push notifications. The only way I get any emails is if I manually press the sync button in the gmail app. Wondering if anyone else has this problem or know of anything I could try to fix it.
Thanks!
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Have no problem with mine, automatically sync and notify me when I get new email. Maybe try reinstall Gmail again and clear data? Or better yet reflash the whole rom, fullwipe and everything before hand.
@op
The only wake button that u can use now is volume, home button and power button. Zips mentioned touchtap wake is coming, so just wait for it
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mattb1615 said:
I'm a newbie as well, and know this question probably fits better in the dev section, but don't have enough posts to put it there. I have been lurking on here for a while, learned a ton. I've been using Zip's 3.11 ROM for a while, no problems and loved it! I flashed the new 4.01 ROM and ever since have been having trouble with Gmail syncing. It seems my phone is not receiving push notifications. The only way I get any emails is if I manually press the sync button in the gmail app. Wondering if anyone else has this problem or know of anything I could try to fix it.
Thanks!
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Hinouchi said:
Have no problem with mine, automatically sync and notify me when I get new email. Maybe try reinstall Gmail again and clear data? Or better yet reflash the whole rom, fullwipe and everything before hand.
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Don't do this. Just remove your google account and add it again.
Also make sure gmail settings are default or set to your likings or w/e.
I2IEAILiiTY said:
Don't do this. Just remove your google account and add it again.
Also make sure gmail settings are default or set to your likings or w/e.
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I already had wiped/reflashed and then flashed the gapps zip. That seems to fix the problem. I'm wondering if it had something to do with a system data file that I restored using Titanium Backup. I am not restoring any old system files this time.
@estallings15. I thought it might be something with ICS. Good to know. Thanks for the information and humoring a posting newbie. I've been following the forums for a while now. Most of my questions get asked by someone else.
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another newbie question
...since I can't post in the dev forum either.
I was previously using Virtuous Affinity with Sense 3.5. I was using the default Messages app there and had a large store of messages. I don't delete often for some personal reasons. I tried to use Titanium backup to restore my messages storage which made the phone process die over and over on reboot.
I know if I had to get them, the raw data storage is in SQLite. I'm just wondering if there's a more reasonable way to get them imported into ICS (Zips CG)?
@playdrums Well here goes something as a newbie trying to help.
One possibility to restore your messages that I can think of would be to restore your previous rom and then download SMS Backup+ back up your messages with that, and then restore/reflash Zips CG and restore the messages with the same app which is included if you installed it with aroma. This will also leave a copy of your texts on your gmail account.
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@playdrums Well here goes something as a newbie trying to help.
One possibility to restore your messages that I can think of would be to restore your previous rom and then download SMS Backup+ back up your messages with that, and then restore/reflash Zips CG and restore the messages with the same app which is included if you installed it with aroma. This will also leave a copy of your texts on your gmail account.
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+1 Perfect
I like this set of noobs
They even made the decision to keep their questions in one thread so as not to clutter up the forum. And they are helping each other out. Brings a tear to my eye to see it.
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@playdrums Well here goes something as a newbie trying to help.
One possibility to restore your messages that I can think of would be to restore your previous rom and then download SMS Backup+ back up your messages with that, and then restore/reflash Zips CG and restore the messages with the same app which is included if you installed it with aroma. This will also leave a copy of your texts on your gmail account.
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Thanks spork. I have a nandroid backup of my Virtuous Affinity setup. I may be able to do this. I'm liking Creamed Glacier but I do miss Sense a bit. And, don't laugh, seriously, I miss the genius button. Google Voice does not perform as well.
I have the genius button apk. Wonder if it would work on ICS?
cybereric518 said:
Hello All,
Just wanted to say that the new update is awesome. I was looking through the settings and I can seem to find option to change the wake button. Is there an option to change the wake button?
Love the new update Zip!
Eric
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I'm with you I also installed a few hours ago but am curious about what's going on when I pull up the thread to read it and it seems like it's having problems focusing and scrolling is a Lil slow, is that what's called ROM slowdown, and I also can't post in that thread so if anyone got ideas of what I got to do not only on the phone but also to be able to post in the thread. Someone in there was asking about Swype someone should tell them to Google the beta installer it works. Thanks all
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Love the new update Zip!
Eric[/QUOTE]
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cybereric518 said:
Hello All,
Just wanted to say that the new update is awesome. I was looking through the settings and I can seem to find option to change the wake button. Is there an option to change the wake button?
Love the new update Zip!
Eric
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I only saw the volume buttons to, as well as back menu and home but they are hard set for now. Nice so far tho, I tried ice insomnia to, this is a little further along.
zips ice
mattb1615 said:
I'm a newbie as well, and know this question probably fits better in the dev section, but don't have enough posts to put it there. I have been lurking on here for a while, learned a ton. I've been using Zip's 3.11 ROM for a while, no problems and loved it! I flashed the new 4.01 ROM and ever since have been having trouble with Gmail syncing. It seems my phone is not receiving push notifications. The only way I get any emails is if I manually press the sync button in the gmail app. Wondering if anyone else has this problem or know of anything I could try to fix it.
Thanks!
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Just a thought did you apply the patch to ?
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Just a thought did you apply the patch to ?
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I did. Sorry, should have mentioned that as well. I've decided to restore back to 3.11 and wait to see how things shape up with the next update. Currently on the job hunt and need my phone more stable than the 4.01+patch was giving me (Gmail not syncing and frequent reboots/locking up). Loving the work done on it so far though!
PS. I'm trying my best not to fit in to the typical noob stereotype haha.
mattb1615 said:
I did. Sorry, should have mentioned that as well. I've decided to restore back to 3.11 and wait to see how things shape up with the next update. Currently on the job hunt and need my phone more stable than the 4.01+patch was giving me (Gmail not syncing and frequent reboots/locking up). Loving the work done on it so far though!
PS. I'm trying my best not to fit in to the typical noob stereotype haha.
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On the noob issue so am I your not alone I have been doing for a while but this is a hobbie of mine but feel I've lurked long enough of I do something stupid at least I did it.LOL
Google Voice
Hey Everyone I am new on here, but am wanting to try out Zips Creamed Glacier, I use google voice for work, and wondering how well or not well it works on zips 4.02 or 4.03? any input?? Much appreciated! Also was wondering if it has visual voicemail feature for tmobile?
hep81 said:
Hey Everyone I am new on here, but am wanting to try out Zips Creamed Glacier, I use google voice for work, and wondering how well or not well it works on zips 4.02 or 4.03? any input?? Much appreciated! Also was wondering if it has visual voicemail feature for tmobile?
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Read a few comments above. Google Voice performs better under Sense ROMs. Zips Creamed Glacier is an awesome ROM, but I honestly just flashed back over to MIUI today for more stability.
EDIT: I forgot to include my point. If you want to use a more reliable version of Google Voice, you're better off staying away from ICS ROMs for now.