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Hi, I was wondering what the setbacks with rooting your phone are. Will there be occasional lockup like apple would do to people, who jail broke their phones?
I just did my preorder with BB. I really missed 3g speeds on my touch HD euro version, which I bought last year thought I will be fine without the 3G speeds man was I wrong. It had a one click video call option for every call I would make, but would only work with 3G, was very frustrating to have something and not being able to use it, why couldn’t HTC just leave this feature on, It came with their UI, seems like they took it out just so they could market this new qik web service.
Anyways thanks for the advice
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Hi, I was wondering what the setbacks with rooting your phone are. Will there be occasional lockup like apple would do to people, who jail broke their phones?
I just did my preorder with BB. I really missed 3g speeds on my touch HD euro version, which I bought last year thought I will be fine without the 3G speeds man was I wrong. It had a one click video call option for every call I would make, but would only work with 3G, was very frustrating to have something and not being able to use it, why couldn’t HTC just leave this feature on, It came with their UI, seems like they took it out just so they could market this new qik web service.
Anyways thanks for the advice
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Rooting the phone will not be all that difficult, and should be available within the week of official launch. The problem will be when people want 2.2 on the device before the official OTA.
I'm not sure but I thought there was trouble with rooting the HTC incredible. If that's the case (which I will check later) then I would assume they will have trouble rooting the EVO since they are so similar in build. Also the EVO has several new aspects that hasn't been on any phone out there yet.
At any rate, I think it would take more time (say 2-3 months) before they are able to root the EVO. My hopes are that it's sooner rather then later...
deekoi said:
I'm not sure but I thought there was trouble with rooting the HTC incredible. If that's the case (which I will check later) then I would assume they will have trouble rooting the EVO since they are so similar in build. Also the EVO has several new aspects that hasn't been on any phone out there yet.
At any rate, I think it would take more time (say 2-3 months) before they are able to root the EVO. My hopes are that it's sooner rather then later...
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I, optimistically, disagree..heh...I think we may have a bit more developmental support as I'm sure MOST devs are waiting for the EVO and havent an Incredible to work with. Hopefully more hands will make the load lighter than 2 months..
Been looking around on line and haven't seen anything confirming when we will get our update. Anyone got any good speculation.
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Been looking around on line and haven't seen anything confirming when we will get our update. Anyone got any good speculation.
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The international version of the phone is supposed to have it by the end of September. This is in no way an indication as to when the other phones will. It would make sense that they would give it to the international version first, then roll it out at the same time for all of the US variants (vibrant, captivate, fascinate, Epic).
I'm certain Sprint users would be in an uproar of AT&T got it first.... and the same goes for other carriers.
International version is getting it 23rd
http://androidspin.com/2010/09/13/rumor-samsung-galaxy-s-to-get-froyo-around-23rd-september/
Don't know about US versions but Epic might take a bit longer because they still gotta make TW3 work..
Didn't sprint say that the Epic was for sure getting it this month? I thought I remember reading that somewhere?
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As much as my Epic is my precious baby, if Samsung does NOT have Froyo + bug fixes out by the end of this month, I will be returning my phone for a EVO.
Samsung STILL hasn't put out bug fixes for the Captivate or Vibrant, and I'm losing the small amount of faith i had in samsung.
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As much as my Epic is my precious baby, if Samsung does NOT have Froyo + bug fixes out by the end of this month, I will be returning my phone for a EVO.
Samsung STILL hasn't put out bug fixes for the Captivate or Vibrant, and I'm losing the small amount of faith i had in samsung.
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an epic user actually admits that samsung didn't fix captivate and vibrant. Someone was in the evo subforum saying that there were no problems with captivate or vibrant.
Also tbh, i wouldn't get my hopes up for the OFFICIAL release from samsung on froyo, but most likely someone will port another galaxy S update to the epic. So sort of like a custom rom with froyo running it.
Was told early to mid October today.
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Was told early to mid October today.
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October isn't cutting it for me...
We only have Samsung's word when it comes to updates that they will push. After Samsung publicly promised that Froyo would be out by September, now you say mid-October?
Of course the updates will roll out once everyone's 30 day return period is up.
Samsung didn't even *promise* for other bug fixes that the Galaxy phones have! I mean come on, have you seen the list of official problems with the Fascinate? How long do you think those problems will take to be fixed (if ever?)
I'm being a pessimist, but I would LOVE for Sammy to prove me wrong.
I have not heard anything about the Epic getting the update but I know Verizon is planning as of right now for an October 2.2 update.
I will bet now that clockwork is slowly getting ported over that a custom 2.2 rom is not very far away for the rooted memebers
Definitely like the Epic more than Evo so not even considering moving anywhere. Who doesn't like improvements to their gadget..
Despite all the haba-haba concerning the gps, mine works fine with gmaps and copilot, no back button issue and so forth. Now if I could just find the battery drain culprit I'll be even more satisfied. As I'm typing I can watch my battery drop from 74 to 72. The battery meter/gauge needs some calibrating I think and some power management would be welcome.
Hmm, what else..guess I'll be on ebay later today for some cheap xl batteries and such. But seriously, this phone blows me away..so good and responsive. Love it.
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... I mean come on, have you seen the list of official problems with the Fascinate? How long do you think those problems will take to be fixed (if ever?)
I'm being a pessimist, but I would LOVE for Sammy to prove me wrong.
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Being an Epic user why are you even worried about the Fascinate? Especially since most of its problems are due to the Verizon customizations and a lack of QA by Verizon.
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Being an Epic user why are you even worried about the Fascinate? Especially since most of its problems are due to the Verizon customizations and a lack of QA by Verizon.
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samsung is the one that issues the updates, not verizon. Since fascinate is a galaxy S phone, just like the epic, with common/similar problems, it might have the same treatment as the fascinate had (which means 1-2 updates, and then nothing).
People keep saying that galaxy s phone is where samsung "turns" their rep around, but i have yet to see any of the galaxy s phones being supported. Hence why i said there might not be a 2.2 update, but will most likely be a 2.2 rom modded for the epic.
Samsung hasn't even activated their MediaHub which, theoretically, will bring in a lot of revenue. I'm sure that is a higher priority for them than 2.2. I wouldn't expect our updates before they get that out the door. But then I'll start worrying.
Having a Nexus One And HD2 with android 2.2 i gotta say im disappointed by this phone. Not because of the hardware, Its great. I love throwing video files on it and watching them on the wonderful screen, i love the keyboard, pretty much no hardware complaints. But I been spoiled by android 2.2 and its enhancements.
I didnt think it would be a big deal when i got the phone, but i constantly find myself going back to my other phones for web browsing (sprint 3G is a JOKE!) and using my epic for video playing. I only had the phone a couple days and im gonna give it a better shot, but hopefully we see 2.2 by the beginning of october. If not i will sadly return the phone and pony up for a G2 or My touch HD.
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Despite all the haba-haba concerning the gps, mine works fine with gmaps and copilot, no back button issue and so forth. Now if I could just find the battery drain culprit I'll be even more satisfied.
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Just a shot in the dark but is your phone settings keeping the GPS sensor powered up all the time? I mean, the symptoms match.
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Having a Nexus One And HD2 with android 2.2 i gotta say im disappointed by this phone. Not because of the hardware, Its great. I love throwing video files on it and watching them on the wonderful screen, i love the keyboard, pretty much no hardware complaints. But I been spoiled by android 2.2 and its enhancements.
I didnt think it would be a big deal when i got the phone, but i constantly find myself going back to my other phones for web browsing (sprint 3G is a JOKE!) and using my epic for video playing. I only had the phone a couple days and im gonna give it a better shot, but hopefully we see 2.2 by the beginning of october. If not i will sadly return the phone and pony up for a G2 or My touch HD.
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What enhancements? The UI is the same as 2.1. It's not going to change that much. Sure, the benchmarks will be much higher because of JIT, but performance isn't going to increase that much. I'm not sure what you mean by being "spoiled". Do you mean the apps2sd card feature that only about 1 in 20 apps have?
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What enhancements? The UI is the same as 2.1. It's not going to change that much. Sure, the benchmarks will be much higher because of JIT, but performance isn't going to increase that much. I'm not sure what you mean by being "spoiled". Do you mean the apps2sd card feature that only about 1 in 20 apps have?
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You also get the v8 engine in the browser which makes it much faster at rendering photos.
Btw, sprint's 3g I find to be much better than t-mobiles since you could walk 5 feet and be stuck on edge with them. Happens to my sister with n1 all the time. We are in an area that is 3g for the other 3 carriers but only edge for tmo.
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What enhancements? The UI is the same as 2.1. It's not going to change that much. Sure, the benchmarks will be much higher because of JIT, but performance isn't going to increase that much. I'm not sure what you mean by being "spoiled". Do you mean the apps2sd card feature that only about 1 in 20 apps have?
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Lol, no its more than that. Like I said I love the phone. But I miss things like flash 10. The new gmail and Google search. Other things I cant put my hands on at this moment.
Like I said, I didn't think it would be a big deal when I got the phone and its really not as I replaced Google search with vlingo and use skyfire for video (when I can get decent speeds on sprints so called 3G or 4G.)
Funny, as I type this I realized the problem I have is not so much 2.1 vs 2.2 (although 2.2 is just better) but more with sprints network. On 3g I only get an avg of .5kbs and on 4G I get around 2 saw as high as 5mbs. I avg atleast 4mbs on T-Mobile.
It makes a world of difference when browsing or checking out a quick video.
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You also get the v8 engine in the browser which makes it much faster at rendering photos.
Btw, sprint's 3g I find to be much better than t-mobiles since you could walk 5 feet and be stuck on edge with them. Happens to my sister with n1 all the time. We are in an area that is 3g for the other 3 carriers but only edge for tmo.
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Total opposite for me. I have 3g everywhere I go on T-Mobile. Maybe if I go 30miles outside the city to the country it would be like that. But I don't go outside major cities to often
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Samsung hasn't even activated their MediaHub which, theoretically, will bring in a lot of revenue. I'm sure that is a higher priority for them than 2.2. I wouldn't expect our updates before they get that out the door. But then I'll start worrying.
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Quick google search turned up several articles stating a release date of September 16th for the media hub: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368537,00.asp
After many failures with the newer hardware versions, Unrevoked came thru with flying colors. I wanted to thank everyone for their time and effort for not just me, but all the other chicken-sh!t folks out there. This is my first posting, as I didn't want to ask questions that others were asking. Believe it or not, my biggest obstacle was trying to root using windows 7, 64 bit. Worked like a champ on a 32bit version.
I removed most of the sprint apps, but kept a few. I found out that removing some will make it impossible to load new apps. There was still a bit of trial and error, but I could have not done it without everyone's help. I removed all the apps using Titanium. The only issue is that it does not seem to back everything up that you select (so no restore); however nandroid to the rescue. The biggest issue with that software is the names in Titanium does not always match what people recommend to remove via a terminal session.
My next leap will be a new rom (possibly gingerbread when it's finalized). I am happy just to get rid of the major sprint crap. Speaking of Sprint, I talked with a good buddy in corporate (yes I know everyone says this) and he told me don't hold your breath for a EVO 2 anytime soon, if at all this year. They really thought the Epic would be the next evolution, but we all know better. They don't foresee a new a new HTC replacement this year, which is a shame. Also, I was told that Sprint and HTC are banging heads regarding upgrading us to Gingerbread. Also, the shocker to me is that Clearwire is starting to test LTE with an unknown phone. Apparently with Verizon talking about being LTE only now, Clearwire is on the run. I would be happy with any 4G service at this point. Who knows, maybe the sexy LG dual core phone will make it's way to sprint.
I will end this long monologue with a quick question.... Is there a multi-purpose ROM that will enable me to keep the camera, 4G (if it ever comes to us) , tethering and a few of the other goodies that you have to give up when you switch.
Again, bow to all the effort put into these forums.
What hardware version do you have
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Sprint should offer an exchange program to go from Epic --> Nexus S 4g.
Because Samsung has failed to resolve long standing problems (dropped keys, tws, gps to name a few) let alone provide promised updates, they should allow Epic owners to exchange their phone for a Nexus, no charge. Because the nexus will be supported by google, it will have issues resolved in a timely manner and provide all promised functions.
It's a long shot, but if sprint actually cared about their customers they would do this and bury these epic's out in the desert next to the Nintendo E.T. game cartridges...
Update: E.T. was on atari...
Yeah it dosnt hurt to dream ha
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Lol @ the Nintendo E.T. game cartridges. That game was horrible.
I'm 12 and I agree with this
Epic 4G.. the ishtar of phones?
I believe E.T. was for the Atari 2600. Worst. Game. Ever.
An exchange program would of course be nice, but they would have to do it on all phones. For example any time a second version of a phone comes out, they would have to offer an exchange for people who bought the 1st version right before the new one came out. (That always ticks people off , lol)
If only, if only. It'll never happen, of course.
I very well may be the only one, but after EB13 dropped, I've become quite happy with my Epic. Bought a Yoobao battery to deal with the whole "eating battery" thing, and flashed Syndicate. If nothing else, we can look forward to (hopefully) easier porting of purely Google-baked Gingerbread to the Epic?
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An exchange program would of course be nice, but they would have to do it on all phones. For example any time a second version of a phone comes out, they would have to offer an exchange for people who bought the 1st version right before the new one came out. (That always ticks people off , lol)
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It's not about getting acnewer phone. Its about getting a phone that isn't defective.
Basically, you have to choose between having a boring phone and a defective phone. Th nexus s hardware is going obsolete soon, but it is still easily the best android phone available. Similarly, the palm pre I had before, IMO, made every other smartphone os obsolete, but it too was defective. The epic hardware, at the time, but every other phone to shame, it just sucks that it doesn't work half the time. I really thought they would fix gps within a week or two and it would be ok, but here we are wiz months later and it is still broken.
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If only, if only. It'll never happen, of course.
I very well may be the only one, but after EB13 dropped, I've become quite happy with my Epic. Bought a Yoobao battery to deal with the whole "eating battery" thing, and flashed Syndicate. If nothing else, we can look forward to (hopefully) easier porting of purely Google-baked Gingerbread to the Epic?
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If they fix the TWS and keyboard skipping thing (which only happens very occasionally for me) the Epic would be an exceptional phone. Since it looks like the developers here at XDA have fixes for both I'm not too worried. None of these are disabling bugs, it would be crazy to expect a free upgrade. I've been on stock EB13 with Genocide kernel and I'm pretty happy with my phone.
Besides, I'm not sure I'd be willing to give up my hardware keyboard and removable SD card. The Nexus doesn't really seem much better than the Epic.
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If nothing else, we can look forward to (hopefully) easier porting of purely Google-baked Gingerbread to the Epic?
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This is what I'm thinking/hoping. Given how close the two are this should be fairly easy to port to the Epic right? Other than hardware keyboard, removable instead of fixed storage, and lack of NFC, the two are near identical afaik. Would love to see the Nexus S 4G rom ported to our Epic 4G since it would be able to do what CM7 can't: use 4G radio (which is why I refuse to run CM7, lack of 4G on a 4G phone is a deal breaker imho).
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If only, if only. It'll never happen, of course.
I very well may be the only one, but after EB13 dropped, I've become quite happy with my Epic.
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No, you're not alone. The only problem I've seen that everyone's complained about was the camera FC when changing to sports mode, and that was because I actually went to try and duplicate it. Everything else has been flawless for me. GPS has been fine since I initially got it working on DK28. No Bluetooth problems to speak of. :shrug:
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This is what I'm thinking/hoping. Given how close the two are this should be fairly easy to port to the Epic right? Other than hardware keyboard, removable instead of fixed storage, and lack of NFC, the two are near identical afaik. Would love to see the Nexus S 4G rom ported to our Epic 4G since it would be able to do what CM7 can't: use 4G radio (which is why I refuse to run CM7, lack of 4G on a 4G phone is a deal breaker imho).
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They can't do it yet. Personally, I have no doubt they will get it working. 4G is no big deal to me since it's spotty at best in my area.
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It's not about getting acnewer phone. Its about getting a phone that isn't defective.
Basically, you have to choose between having a boring phone and a defective phone. Th nexus s hardware is going obsolete soon, but it is still easily the best android phone available. Similarly, the palm pre I had before, IMO, made every other smartphone os obsolete, but it too was defective. The epic hardware, at the time, but every other phone to shame, it just sucks that it doesn't work half the time. I really thought they would fix gps within a week or two and it would be ok, but here we are wiz months later and it is still broken.
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I understand that some people have had issues with their phones, but many have not, including me. My gps has always worked and I have always loved my phone. So, my phone is not defective. The phone I had before this was a blackberry Tour. I am not talking bad about blackberry (b/c I loved my curve) but that phone was HORRID. I couldn't get service anywhere, always dropped calls, and no one could ever get ahold of me. I called sprint an insane amount of times over that phone, they kept trying to fix the problem by sending airraves, updating prl , whatever.. anyway ended up going past my limit to trade it in and I just had to suck it up and get a new phone as soon as I could. I didn't get an exchange when a newer blackberry came out. My point is, if they did exchanges for this phone , they would have to do it for them all. This isn't the only phone that has had issues. They will all have issues. If your phone really is that defective, you should have taken it back, just like I should have taken the tour back.
They do have a buyback thing, but when they offered me $130 for my epic when I got the shift, I told them I would keep it for that money.
Ebay is giving you $190 for the epic
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Ebay is giving you $190 for the epic
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Haha, thank you sir that's awesome.
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iSaint said:
Ebay is giving you $190 for the epic
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Hmmm.
i have an epic that could go for 190...and I have a 2 year upgrade for 150..
o****.
I can't seem to understand why people hate their epics. Granted, I also want a nexus 4g... but I don't need it one bit. My keyboard doesn't skip, gps locks fast... basically every complaint I've ever read. Now that's not to say I've never had them. I seriously think the flaw to all the problems is in software. Keep trying new roms man. Im on midnight 4.1. My battery lasts a constant 20 hours, that's with brightness at a constant max with cpu at 1ghz with the undervolt, gps locks within 5 secs, no camera lag (actually it feels like its never taken pics and videos this well...)
Im sure this isn't everyone elsewhere experience but I think no matter what you issues Theres a fix. Im an idiot but my epic works the way its supposed to. The only thing I want now is gingerbread just so we can have hardware acceleration. I think theres a much bigger list of phones out there that deserve to be buried out in the desert, but this isn't one of them.
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E.T. google map home...
/looks at broken compass
side note : do I smell a HTC touch pro to HTC touch pro 2 free upgrade fiasco like before? maybe..
Didn't Sprint do the same thing back with the Mogul -> Touch Pro? Mogul was a failure so they upgraded people to a TP for no fee.
Okay, so EVO 3D is expected to receive ICS update in June if I recall. I am assuming that this is the break we have all been waiting for, an updated kernel that supports Wimax for ICS. Will Devs be able to transfer this ICS goodness over to the OG phone? Does this mean that us OG EVO users will be able to have some new life breathed into our phones?
I really want the new EVO 4G LTE, but LTE is not coming to my area (Sacramento) for a while. I get great Wimax coverage and don't want to give that up. I listen to the radio on my phone all day at work and tether my tablet with streaming video. It's great. But did I mention I really want the new EVO 4G LTE? LOL. The camera looks awesome, and we are all due for some new hardware. That being said, I can probably wait a little while longer if it can get an ICS rom on my OG EVO if it supports Wimax.
What say you?
"What say you?"
That my 3devo is still faster than my Evo 4g.
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Okay, so EVO 3D is expected to receive ICS update in June if I recall. I am assuming that this is the break we have all been waiting for, an updated kernel that supports Wimax for ICS. Will Devs be able to transfer this ICS goodness over to the OG phone? Does this mean that us OG EVO users will be able to have some new life breathed into our phones?
I really want the new EVO 4G LTE, but LTE is not coming to my area (Sacramento) for a while. I get great Wimax coverage and don't want to give that up. I listen to the radio on my phone all day at work and tether my tablet with streaming video. It's great. But did I mention I really want the new EVO 4G LTE? LOL. The camera looks awesome, and we are all due for some new hardware. That being said, I can probably wait a little while longer if it can get an ICS rom on my OG EVO if it supports Wimax.
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I agree. The specs may be beefed up on the new EVO LTE but when it comes down to just pure functionality you would probably get more out of the OG EVO. Especially when it comes to 4G/Wimax and Dev support. I mean who knows when that beast will get unlocked and rooted. Also another thing that a user brought up what the fact that the battery is sealed in. Basically meaning NO BATTERY PULLS! So could this mean more pricked phones? I mean a battery pull can be your best friend and get you out of the screwed up state. What has HTC employeed that could replace that? Makes me very nervious about ROM swapping on the LTE
Sorry. I've been watching a lot of Game of Thrones
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Don't get me wrong, Wimax is not the greatest. I hate it when I have to turn it off just because a web page will not load. I read that that was a network problem. On the other hand, when it does work I get 5mbps. 3hG only get 800kbps. Big jump. Also, there is a benefit in having two networks. Sometimes I get Wimax when 3g is unavailable. I can also use Wimax and the phone at the same time... damn I want the new EVO though.
Yea I had to do a battery pull or two. Hopefully EVOLTE will be easily rooted.
Cross my fingers Devs can build an compatible ICS kernal with Wimax support when EVO 3D gets updated
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I agree. The specs may be beefed up on the new EVO LTE but when it comes down to just pure functionality you would probably get more out of the OG EVO. Especially when it comes to 4G/Wimax and Dev support. I mean who knows when that beast will get unlocked and rooted. Also another thing that a user brought up what the fact that the battery is sealed in. Basically meaning NO BATTERY PULLS! So could this mean more pricked phones? I mean a battery pull can be your best friend and get you out of the screwed up state. What has HTC employeed that could replace that? Makes me very nervious about ROM swapping on the LTE
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I think i read somewhere that there will be a button sequence that will accomplish the same thing as a battery pull, just as on the iphone and ipods.
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I think i read somewhere that there will be a button sequence that will accomplish the same thing as a battery pull, just as on the iphone and ipods.
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Hold the power button ~10sec.
Found on Pg13 of the leaked user manual.