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Outdated already?

is the Evo 4g basically outdated already? with the samsung galaxy s and the droid x coming out all i hear are better screen better processor pretty much better everything since even the 8 megapixel camera on the evo is lousy. really makes you think....

no phone will be the best for more than 3 months, ever

Not being the latest thing doesn't equal outdated. Frankly after having the CDMA Hero forum here be such an asset to me, I will follow the phone with the most developer pull.
Evo is it for me until Sprint drops the next flagship, then I will continue the never-ending game.
Huzzah for competition and technology!

The camera is actually fine, idk what problems your having with it but it will get better thanks to our amazing devs. yes it has a few quirks they are working out still, but im sure the droid x might or the samsung epic 4g. its apples and oranges, sprint vs verizon, 4.3" touchscreen to hardware qwerty. all clocked at 1GHz. i dropped $500 on the evo and dont regret it at all. plus we have the strongest dev community at xda, cant underestimate them either.

Mu5ic92 said:
is the Evo 4g basically outdated already? with the samsung galaxy s and the droid x coming out all i hear are better screen better processor pretty much better everything since even the 8 megapixel camera on the evo is lousy. really makes you think....
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There's always something better just around the corner. The EVO is a great phone, are there other phones that may be slightly better coming soon, yes. It happens every year in every industry as companies build toward christmas and then there's a lul during the winter months as they put the finishing touches on their spring/summer releases. It's just the way the industry works.

I don't like Samsung since they have a bad track record of handling their older devices. Plus the modification on the UI makes an update seem even more delayed. Evo is still the best bet IMO.

i personally like the evo alote. done some modding here and there and now im just really hoping that there able to break the fps cap on the 002 devices. it runs smooth never have i had to restart it unlike my old hd2 that needed atleast 3 restarts per day. its a great device and i guess like someone else said its a never ending cycle of better devices coming out.

droid x is missing a frontfacing camera and is on verizon which will cap data soon.
Its other hardware is definitly better, but i dont think it would noticable under 95% of the conditions you use your cellphone for.
Also motorolla locks there phones down making it much more unlikely it will have a large dev community.
The galaxy is also probably a little better and a version is even coming to sprint. But still not worth the hastle of trading in the evo now and waiting for it. By then something even better will have been announced.
I think the evo is still the best option for a year or so when the next iteration of smartphone comes out. probably dual core

Evo is Sprint's flagship phone for a while. I doubt they'll be dropping a new one anytime soon. I'm happy that newer Android devices tops another. It helps the overall goal of the 'Openness'. I welcome something better. Because I know that theyll get ported over to the Evo.
From the HTC Evo!!

engagedtosmile said:
I don't like Samsung since they have a bad track record of handling their older devices. Plus the modification on the UI makes an update seem even more delayed. Evo is still the best bet IMO.
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+1 for this

With all these new devices coming every month,I feel like goin back to regular flip phones again.
Mankind will NEVER be satisfied of what they have.that's in our nature.
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Sprint just announced the EPIC 4G . rofl.

oxeneers said:
Sprint just announced the EPIC 4G . rofl.
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Craptacular! LOL. That phone is a downgrade in multiple ways for me. Smaller screen, 5megapixel camera, manufactured by Samsung, slide out keyboard.. All features/specs I do not want.
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Except that AMOLED is awesome. There are a couple other good things about the phone as well. It's a solid choice for a phone.

danknee said:
Craptacular! LOL. That phone is a downgrade in multiple ways for me. Smaller screen, 5megapixel camera, manufactured by Samsung, slide out keyboard.. All features/specs I do not want.
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Samsung managed to fit a QERTY keyboard in a 14.2 mm phone. It is only a 1.5 mm thicker than the Evo (lot of wasted space inside).
The only thing that I'm not impressed with the Evo is how 'thick' it is. Galaxy S and i4 are both so much thinner.

Sprint was smart by releasing their device first. Now everyone is following suite. WE can say that all these other phones are "me too phones."
Definitely not outdated.
Droid is not 4g. But the Galaxy Pro is with Sprint so they have 2 4g phones now (if only they had the 4g network!)
The droid has the same TFT LED screen as the EVO (slight higher resolution, though not noticeable to the eye from what I can tell). Samsung is now withholding their AMOLED technology for their phones for the time being.
Each company needs a comparable phone to stay competitive.
Because all these phones are coming out within weeks of each other, the Evo is not getting the press anymore. Hell, now that the droid x is coming, the iphone4 has lost media attention too.

jerryparid said:
Samsung managed to fit a QERTY keyboard in a 14.2 mm phone. It is only a 1.5 mm thicker than the Evo (lot of wasted space inside).
The only thing that I'm not impressed with the Evo is how 'thick' it is. Galaxy S and i4 are both so much thinner.
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Wow I didnt know the Evo was that thick!
Hmmm well the epic might be the phone for me since it is similar to the Evo but you can play emulators on it due to the keyboard

droidx not interesting at all, motoblur sucks, htc sense blows it out of the water. Bet i can get better benchmarks on retired but legendary herolol

ap3604 said:
Hmmm well the epic might be the phone for me since it is similar to the Evo but you can play emulators on it due to the keyboard
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good luck with Emulators considering that Samsung devices do not recognize multiple keys at the same time. Try pressing forward and turning...it doesn't work.
Samsung may look Greener but don't be fooled into jumping the fence.
...Just my opinion from using too many Samsung Devices.

ramiss said:
good luck with Emulators considering that Samsung devices do not recognize multiple keys at the same time. Try pressing forward and turning...it doesn't work.
Samsung may look Greener but don't be fooled into jumping the fence.
...Just my opinion from using too many Samsung Devices.
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Your a good man ramiss. Thank you for letting me know!
I've never had a Samsung phone yet so I will DEF have to watch out now for this.

Samsung Epic 4G Announced

http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2010/06/sprint-epic-4g-t-mobile-vibrant/
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=9843
This is the galaxy s pro.

This is...Epic....

Kcarpenter said:
This is...Epic....
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Did you realize the entire General section was at a halt until you said that? Also, QFT.

I bring all the boys to the yard

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I bring all the boys to the yard
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You and your milkshake?

The name Samsung scares me after the Moment. How are the rest of their phones?

This might be my next phone.

gunnyman said:
The name Samsung scares me after the Moment. How are the rest of their phones?
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Hardware, like most Samsung products, is usually pretty immaculate - can't complain about that. TouchWhiz UI is likely garbage as with most Samsung products software.
So with Root and a competent developer who could get AOSP working - Rockin.

Kcarpenter said:
Hardware, like most Samsung products, is usually pretty immaculate - can't complain about that. TouchWhiz UI is likely garbage as with most Samsung products software.
So with Root and a competent developer who could get AOSP working - Rockin.
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My problems with the moment were hardware related. I'm going to keep an eye on this phone though. I want a kicking 3G phone though since I don't live in a 4G area and hate the idea of paying extra for a feature I won't use.

Kcarpenter said:
Hardware, like most Samsung products, is usually pretty immaculate - can't complain about that. TouchWhiz UI is likely garbage as with most Samsung products software.
So with Root and a competent developer who could get AOSP working - Rockin.
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Also they seem to hate the default way of setting up Android OS. Their file system is pretty bizarre.

every sammy i have owned has sucked.. lol but for every sammy i hated prolly 3 more liked.. so mostly personal pref..
Im happy to see this come to sprint..for one reason..they need it. more android..look at verizon.. lol

This is like phone porn. I'm all horny for touchwiz 3. http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/29/samsung-epic-4g-preview/

Think this will be my next phone, i'm tired of waiting for HTC to put out a killer android phone that has a slide out keyboard. I have had bad experiences with samsung phones in the past (they were before smart phones even existed) but i'm willing to give them one more shot with this phone.

I've never had a Sammy phone. I had a couple Sony Ericsson's and then the HTC Wizard came out, been with HTC ever since. The hard qwerty is what drew me to HTC, I had no idea places like xda existed. It's been over a year since HTC has made a keyboard phone and the HTC Vision has one but I think it's only going to Tmous and I can't do that because they dont have a single 3G tower in Arkansas... I'm presently on AT$T because when I first got a cellular in 2003 Cingular was the best carrier in the state and I'm a creature of habit so I've stuck with them. But, they suck about picking up phones I like, the iPhone has hamstrung their network, and they're handing out free femtocells but when I called about that they basically told me to fu*k off. My two complaints about my TP2 are slowness and no headphone jack. Epic 4G/Galaxy S Pro ameliorates both of those to a t...
So, how do you people like Sprint? They'd save me money and I like the new phone every year... Also, what's the build quality like on sammies? Last question is are they as easy to take apart/repair as HTC phones are?

I have to say that every samsung phone I, or anyone I know has owned, holds up like a tank. They drop them, throw them and step on them and they are fine. I wouldn't be that rough, but its nice to see.

Really? I was a little worried about build quality since they seem to use a lot of plastic and little if any metal. I'd love for Epic's slider to be as firm as the Droid's but wasn't expecting much.

Well, their initial quality is what it is. But they stay in that condition with very good resilliance in my, and my friend's, experience.

I have a sammy dumbphone, the a727, and it has amazing build quality. Soft touch plastic, super thin and light, great battery life.
Samsung can make a good phone if they put their minds to it. The epic seems like the best galaxy phone, mostly because of that soft touch back. Getting the soft touch battery cover for my Pre made it feel five times better, much more solid and durable than the crappy glossy bendy plastic that is default on the pre(and the other galaxy variants).

Can you see how far we've gotten in the world of on the go? =)
Another thing. Isn't this video just beautiful? --> Epic
Note: yes I bumped this ancient ass thread

Shoulon said:
Can you see how far we've gotten in the world of on the go? =)
Another thing. Isn't this video just beautiful? --> Epic
Note: yes I bumped this ancient ass thread
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HTC Evo or Samsung Epic?

Im going to be eligible for an upgrade in October and I know others are waiting on theirs. Id like to know if you are going to upgrade, what are you planning to move to and why. Here is descriptions of both phones.
Samsung Epic 4G Preview
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HTC 4G Evo Review

I can't stand the samsung phones, especially after seeing how they treated the Moment (worse than the Hero was treated by HTC and Sprint). Not to mention I think the Epic looks like crap, and the Evo just looks freakin sexy

Touchwiz is pretty damn ugly and it's quite pervasive in the Galaxy S operating system. Then again, there will likely be custom roms and lots of support for the Epic since it will be on all major carriers. The screen kicks the EVO's ass and it's allegedly quite responsive, unlike the Moment. I think we need to wait for full reviews of the Epic.

I'm keeping my eye on the Epic too. There were some good points to the Moment but the bad outweighed the good.

They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?

cmccracken said:
They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?
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Both are intended for purses obviously.

lets hope software updates last longer than 6 months.

ya they are big..a damn holster would like so freakn silly for these phones.. hell the one for my hero with the seidio 3500 extended battery is huge already.lol
I think 3.5 to 3.8 inch would be my range as far as screens go.. any bigger and to me its like a mini tablet.lol
but like all will skip samsung because of one reason. they never have any good extended batteries.. unlike htc... where they are plenty... so might get a evo ( maybe ) around dec.. who knows.. still love my hero...to even think bout it.. I mean look at the dream..lol they got froyo.. the hero will still get support for a awhile..so why switch..when that money can go to something else.. like food,lol

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They're both too damn big. Who has pockets that large?
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the Evo will fit nicely in my back pocket. Hell, it'll fit nicely in my front pocket of any pair of my jeans. And it'll rarely be in my pocket anyway, since it sits on my seat in my car when I'm driving, and it'd sit on my desk while I'm at work, just the way my Hero does now

But the hero fits in my watch pocket also the epic is supposed to have a faster gpu. And I love my hero, but I like the idea of a keyboard for gaming.
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im like the epic better but like what has been said ill wait for reveiws and see what people say on here and see if samsung will fix any problems that might happen like with the evo

I plan on waiting for the dual cores next year anyways, not eligible for upgrade may.
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Both phones are nice and I think it comes down to three main factors imo:
1. Will Samsung Epic be rootable, and if so, will Dev support be equal to the Evo;
2. Do you prefer a physical keyboard; and
3. Do you prefer Sense UI over the Epic's UI
The thing that sucks (well, actually good) is that technology is always advancing and new devices are being released every few months and each release tries to out-do the last.
Personally, I'm going to say Samsung Epic since I am on a Hero and have problems using the keyboard. I'd like to give a physical keyboard a try for a few months.

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Both phones are nice and I think it comes down to three main factors imo:
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1. Will Samsung Epic be rootable, and if so, will Dev support be equal to the Evo;
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If its essentially the same as the other Galaxy S line up the yes easily rootable. The Dev Support should stretch across the lineup too.
2. Do you prefer a physical keyboard; and
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I have no specific preference but they are nice
3. Do you prefer Sense UI over the Epic's UI
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Neither! I want AOSP Froyo on it.
The thing that sucks (well, actually good) is that technology is always advancing and new devices are being released every few months and each release tries to out-do the last.
Personally, I'm going to say Samsung Epic since I am on a Hero and have problems using the keyboard. I'd like to give a physical keyboard a try for a few months.
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They just need to announce a damn release date.

spiritcrusher33 said:
ya they are big..a damn holster would like so freakn silly for these phones.. hell the one for my hero with the seidio 3500 extended battery is huge already.lol
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I have the seidio 3500 extended battery also. What holster are you using?!?!? I can't find anyone that fits it.

Im due for an update in october as well, I'm goin for the epic!
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Hard to say. This is how I see it.
Epic: Best hardware, good physical size.
Evo: Full support of xda.
Top-notch hardware vs. top-notch modding community, it's a very hard decision (for me, at least).

I'm leaning towards the Epic. What keeps me on HTC phones is the support of this community. If that is going to carry over to the Epic, there is no real reason to stay with the Evo. HTC has poor support for their phones which has been proven by their lack of porting Froyo to the Hero. Clearly it is doable. Additionally, if the Epic crosses carriers, we will see a lot of great minds working on the same phone.

Ive read that the actual processing power on the galaxy s is quite better than the snapdragon processors, so if that's your thing...
Plus the pervasiveness of this phone might lead to a lot of work getting done in the xda community.

STOP!

If your hating this phone.
DONT BUY IT lol

i agree,
the phone has been released so these threads really shoudlnt be about people telling us how much crap they think the phone is

My only question is...
did the nexus ONE get the same amount of criticism

slowz3r said:
i agree,
the phone has been released so these threads really shoudlnt be about people telling us how much crap they think the phone is
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All the people that say the phone is crap, dont own it... lollol
How can you make an informed decision on just speculation, there are many factors that makes a phone great, not just massive leaps in tech... This phone IS a great piece of kit NO DOUBT!
JD

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All the people that say the phone is crap, dont own it... lollol
How can you make an informed decision on just speculation, there are many factors that makes a phone great, not just massive leaps in tech... This phone IS a great piece of kit NO DOUBT!
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People need to prioritize, they critisize it because it does not have a dual core CPU but really what good is that going to do, its a phone. It isnt like any Android app is that CPU intensive.
no HD video, doesnt matter either, HD video on phones still isnt anywhere comparable to a HD video camera. the resolution may be there but the quality isnt.
I for one rather take on time and priority Android updates over anything else.
I do like this phone, and glad i sold my N1 before the market for N1's shot down.

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People need to prioritize, they critisize it because it does not have a dual core CPU but really what good is that going to do, its a phone. It isnt like any Android app is that CPU intensive.
no HD video, doesnt matter either, HD video on phones still isnt anywhere comparable to a HD video camera. the resolution may be there but the quality isnt.
I for one rather take on time and priority Android updates over anything else.
I do like this phone, and glad i sold my N1 before the market for N1's shot down.
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Damn you!!!!! Lol, I just bit the bullet on eBay on my N1, and yes, prices are lower, I took $50 less than I would've a week ago.
And criticizing something they dont own is the same thing people did with the G2, then people found out it was a really great device. It doesn't help companies or end users when people prematurely "bastardize" a device.

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did the nexus ONE get the same amount of criticism
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Thats a good question lol see I used to not read forums back then but im sure they would have deterred me from getting a Nexus One, which turned out to be the best phone I ever owned SECOND to my Nexus S!!

azzeh3 said:
Thats a good question lol see I used to not read forums back then but im sure they would have deterred me from getting a Nexus One, which turned out to be the best phone I ever owned SECOND to my Nexus S!!
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I got the Nexus one when it first came out... read the forums briefly... but I only remember people complaining about battery issues... like it would die with so-so hours.
I was trying to see if there were anything else that got fixed later on.

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Thats a good question lol see I used to not read forums back then but im sure they would have deterred me from getting a Nexus One, which turned out to be the best phone I ever owned SECOND to my Nexus S!!
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The Nexus 1 got ripped in its first few weeks for its dodgy clearpad 2000 screen which has support for only two touches at a time and its overlapping axis... This just shows you people are never satisfied. The N1 is one of the most important phones in history
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I absolutely agree. before I got the phone I read so much crap left and right. All the whining about dual core, no sd, etc...I buckled down sold my N1 and bought the Nexus S the first day and there is no looking back! best move I could have made. The phone is awesome, it's already rooted and will give you the best android experience without the bloatware(sense, touchwiz). Technology moves so fast and people are never happy. Right now, this phone kicks ass!!!

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I absolutely agree. before I got the phone I read so much crap left and right. All the whining about dual core, no sd, etc...I buckled down sold my N1 and bought the Nexus S the first day and there is no looking back! best move I could have made. The phone is awesome, it's already rooted and will give you the best android experience without the bloatware(sense, touchwiz). Technology moves so fast and people are never happy. Right now, this phone kicks ass!!!
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I second this!! All the way!

I freaking love this phone, you dont understand how great it is till you have it in your hands one word..IMMACULATE!

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I freaking love this phone, you dont understand how great it is till you have it in your hands one word..IMMACULATE!
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dito
10char

I used to hate Samsung phones (especially regular phones), but this one seems to be the best phone from Samsung and it looks very cool.
No memory card is the only thing I don't like.

I still think Google and Samsung could have done better than this. LOL. LOL
Anyhow, it sounds to me that if you already got rid of your Nexus One you don't have a choice but to now love your Nexus S.
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It just wasnt a HUGE jump forward like the N1 was thats why
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I think this is the first topic I've read without reading a single post whining about this or that. Kudos to everyone in this topic and the whiners that didn't post in this topic. I say whiners because I see it in almost every single damn topic I read through.

I agree. Hopefully in a few weeks or so we'll see all the naysayers and doomsayers pass.
One day and we already have boot unlock (though that was admittedly pretty simple), custom recovery, root, and an optimized kernel. I only see bright things in this device's future, but that might just be the amazing screen!
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Not sure why people are hating on it so much. I havent taken my hand off it for a couple hours and I absolutely love it. Definitely worth my hard earned $560

Am i the only one..

Who actually thinks the new phone is cool, and wants it?
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Probably

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Who actually thinks the new phone is cool, and wants it?
/hides behind stone wall.
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well I don't blame. I'm assuming you live in the stone ages since your hiding behind a stone wall and think this phone is cool...
haha.

probably... i mean to make such a big hype for a phone that's a brick? no 4g...? no front facing camera? this literally looks like a Nintendo DS as a phone. It doesn't really appeal to me and probably a lot of other people.

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Probably not. It is an industry first, but it's also pretty much just a gimmick, like 3D. I would have been much more interested in a dual core phone, or even an Evo with an updated processor.
I can see how it would be good for mulittasking...if it had the power of a dual core processor...but the specs are very underwhelming, and the battery life is going to be horrible.

Its not that bad a phone but sprint did themselves a great disservice by hyping it up so much. People where expecting something huge and instead got a phone.
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it's sort of like taking a ds. And then taking out the gaming capabilities of it, and then.... selling it.

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Yes. Yes you are.

The issue is that it "may" be a good phone once some people get their hands on it and play with it.
But you cannot deny the overwhelming negative response (see their facebook page) as a pretty big sign that it may not be a good phone.
If you look at it from a sales/marketing POV they would much rather have a phone that everyone thinks looks really cool at a press release, but then falls a little short of expectation in the real world. At least they sell some phones, and the high initial praise helps sustain the life of the phone.
Now look at this situation, especially in this economy, 99% of the initial response is bordering "verbal lynch mob", even if it a good phone, how many people will actually give it a chance?
First impressions can kill...........

It's an interesting concept, I'll give them that, but it's made by Kyocera, looks like a brick and not a lot of developers will go out of their way to make use of both screens.

xHausx said:
Its not that bad a phone but sprint did themselves a great disservice by hyping it up so much. People where expecting something huge and instead got a phone.
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I've seen almost nothing on the phone, but I agree. The hype was the worst of it.
I recall saying something similar would be great. I dropped the thought when tablets came.
EDIT-saw the video. WTF? Now I know why people said brick. I no longer have any interest even in passing.

The biggest issue is that from what i understand, its a basic Android. Phone with a 2nd gen snap dragon running 2 screens. Won't that hurt performance?
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Say "neat-o" and move on down the line.
You have been EVOfied.

4G - I don't have it...and i don't need it.
Front facing camera - Mine sucks..i hardly use it.
Maybe it's just the cool factor of it, but I think it looks more professional than the Evo.

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but I think it looks more professional than the Evo.
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And a frumpy ***** in a business suit (echo) looks more professional than a supermodel (evo). Guess which one I want in my pants?

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And a frumpy ***** in a business suit looks more professional than a supermodel. Guess which one I want in my pants?
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lol. processor isn't to bad tho... same as as shift (which beats the evo) but clocked even higher.

aimbdd said:
lol. processor isn't to bad tho... same as as shift (which beats the evo) but clocked even higher.
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Nope. It's loaded with a first gen snapdragon... I repeat. Epic fail.

backdown said:
Maybe it's just the cool factor of it, but I think it looks more professional than the Evo.
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now thats just silly!
But, remember,
you will never get an update past the OS that they ship it with
you get like a whole 5 apps that can utilize both screens, and no developer is going to waste time expanding their code base to accommodate this
and now i have lost interest! lol

cheapskate88 said:
Nope. It's loaded with a first gen snapdragon... I repeat. Epic fail.
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Actually its the second gen check out engadget fire more proof...i don't feel like providing it.
. Under the hood there's a 1GHz second-gen Snapdragon running Android 2.2 -- we'll forgive the older software because Kyocera had to do extensive customization to add dual-screen support to seven core apps like the browser, email, and messaging.
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