If I am not mistaken this is a developer's forum.
As that I think it is a great loss Feeyo forced decision not to post again in this forum.
Feeyo must be back.
The reputation of his roms show that he must be here as other developers with lower reputation.
Feeyo think again.
Moderators you must be less critical with developers which the last 2 weeks being developing a rom for all of us.
The competition between developers made us happy with better roms.
Sorry but Feeyo has made this decision all on his own and has in no way been forced, certainly not by any member of the VillainRom team.
papadcha said:
If I am not mistaken this is a developer's forum.
As that I think it is a great loss Feeyo forced decision not to post again in this forum.
Feeyo must be back.
The reputation of his roms show that he must be here as other developers with lower reputation.
Feeyo think again.
Moderators you must be less critical with developers which the last 2 weeks being developing a rom for all of us.
The competition between developers made us happy with better roms.
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wait for the official thread dude, there a tonnes of reasons why it has come to this if you knew them you wouldn't of posted this message. Wait for town hall and all will be explained to you.
I am sorry but due to the flammability of the issue that you are posting, I will close this thread since it is only bound to give grounds to... well, flaming...
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To all,
We are closing this thread under allegations that this rom is the work of another dev, but modified to make it look like the OP's original work. This is also known as kanging a rom, for those of you unfamiliar with Android. Stealing work is against XDA's Rule #12
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12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
We are in the process of examining the allegations by comparing the rom in question to the alleged original work. Once we are done with our investigation (comparing files, time stamps, etc), we will update this thread with our findings, but until then, this thread and all of its links will be shut down.
Please do not spam the boards with messages of hatred towards our actions / polls or threads complaining about this or bombard us with pm / webmaster e-mail messages asking for the thread to be re-opened as they will simply be ignored (threads will be locked and / or deleted). The only people who we will entertain are the OP and any devs working closely with him on the project (this does not include beta testers or end users).
Thank you for your understanding.
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Firstly definitions,
An allegation (also called adduction) is a claim of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims to be able to prove. Allegations remain assertions without proof, until they can be proved.
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We flame those who create new threads demanding for new features in builds..those people being rude to chefs..those who are inpatient and cant wait for updates like the rest of us.
How about admins who have no courtesy to be discrete with such allegations such as the one above? Publicly humiliating a chef who has provided us with one of the best builds and most stable android builds. I've used many droid builds and mccm's MIUI is amongst the best as well as his desire build being stable and smooth..he even carried on darkstones work just to please users like us...
If i had the chance i would have gave that admin a piece of my mind after he posted that post...because yes if you suspect him stealing go ahead close the thread and tell him there is an investigation blah blah...but why post it for everyone to see? You might as well crucify him in front of the whole world and draw on his head 'Thief"..its the same effect.
I hope XDA staff especially if your a SENIOR learn to be more aware that chefs and devs here are human's and have feelings too.
Had an atrix for a few months now and have come to this forum almost daily to read and learn but have not posted until now. Below are just a couple general questions/opinions that I have based on how this forum conducts itself especially compared to other forums I frequent.
1. Why do people think they are owed something by devs and especially for it to be done on a timetable? To the best of my knowledge these people all have work/school/family’s/friends and work on this stuff on there own time and are not paid to do it.
note: to those who complain about making donations to devs and thinking this entitles you to the above learn the definition of DONATION, summarized as “gifts given to benefit a cause with nothing expected in return.”...otherwise it would be a purchase, investment, or wage.
2. Why can’t people read a thread before starting a thread or posting a reply, usually to ask a question that was already answered several times already in that thread or others?
3. In relation to question 2, why does this forum not have more moderators, especially in the Dev forum were people can’t seem to grasp what should be posted in there or what a appropriate reply is. Almost every thread worth readying takes 5x longer to read than it should to weed through the morons who seem to just want to voice there 2cents worth (and most isn’t worth that).
My theory is, if everyone just took a few minutes to search and read before posting then not only would they not fill the forum with junk they would also learn and potentially be able to contribute to the overall knowledge of the forum. I do want to thank those who already do this, I know I have learned an immense amount after coming here a complete android noob.
I agree with you for donations, however, I take exception on those who have spread themselves too thin, have opened up way too many projects and failed to deliver usable results on any of them. If you've got the donation pot out and you fail to deliver on all your promises, expect some reverb to come your way.
As for the rest of your post, you're definitely preaching to the choir
I'll be honest, I'm a little disappointed in the tone that gets set through this forum sometimes. Just like the devs have families/jobs/life outside of this forum so does everyone else. Now I 100% agree with using the search feature or even google to find information you need, I just think it doesn't always have to take a smart a$$ response when someone asks a question.
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I agree with you fully and that is why I truely believe my idea would clean up the forums immensely. (at least the important part - dev section)
Create ANOTHER sub-forum dedicated to announcements/discussions by actual developers. Make this forum public so all can read and keep up to date, but only those specifically allowed, such as recognized developers are allowed to reply. You could even split the existing dev section into two: Recognized Developer talk/User Developments.
This would:
1. Stop people asking for release dates, they are able to see exactly what is being done and when
2. Stop the release threads, such as PseudoROMs and Fastboot files for new SBFs getting clogged with "0MGz Tkx BRuu!"
3. Maybe make more developers post about their current status if they know they aren't going to cause another flame war or pointless thread due to arguing.
Just my two cents.
- DarkRyoushii
DarkRyoushii said:
I agree with you fully and that is why I truely believe my idea would clean up the forums immensely. (at least the important part - dev section)
Create ANOTHER sub-forum dedicated to announcements/discussions by actual developers. Make this forum public so all can read and keep up to date, but only those specifically allowed, such as recognized developers are allowed to reply. You could even split the existing dev section into two: Recognized Developer talk/User Developments.
This would:
1. Stop people asking for release dates, they are able to see exactly what is being done and when
2. Stop the release threads, such as PseudoROMs and Fastboot files for new SBFs getting clogged with "0MGz Tkx BRuu!"
3. Maybe make more developers post about their current status if they know they aren't going to cause another flame war or pointless thread due to arguing.
Just my two cents.
- DarkRyoushii
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we tried this on the samdroid forum and it worked ...keep a dev section for releases and a discussion section for the releases.
so every mod/rom had a thread in the dev section (restricted to dev's only for posting) and a thread in the discussion section for questions and thanks etc.
I've decided to post this regardless of the potential consequences to my membership here. To the mods, you've now closed airbus360's ICS thread despite a final warning to members that continued off-topic posts in violation of forum policy would be enforced. Despite this, instead, mods have locked the entire thread. This site has progressively become a zoo and TBH it is the fault of the site staff.
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I've decided to post this regardless of the potential consequences to my membership here. To the mods, you've now closed airbus360's ICS thread despite a final warning to members that continued off-topic posts in violation of forum policy would be enforced. Despite this, instead, mods have locked the entire thread. This site has progressively become a zoo and TBH it is the fault of the site staff.
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Personally its idiotic posters who wreck the forum .
not saying this is an idiotic post as i dont know the subject in question .
One has only to read posts on the forum to realize its hard to be a developers forum when its full of kindergarten users .
Mods don't get paid and there are few if any volunteers from the mass of users .
jje
codeworkx sums it up for you in one of the last posts in that thread. I believe it wasn't closed because of spam, rather an incompetent, donation requesting developer giving false hopes to the uninformed.
I fully understand this having direct experience with forum admin/mod duties on, dare I say, BlackBerry forums. Idiotic posts are specifically for site staff to manage, the continued bantering allowed in response to an individual idiotic post is a significant contributor, as is the elitist attitudes of some. That's all I'm saying (P.S. Your username seems familiar to me...).
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Personally its idiotic posters who wreck the forum .
not saying this is an idiotic post as i dont know the subject in question .
One has only to read posts on the forum to realize its hard to be a developers forum when its full of kindergarten users .
Mods don't get paid and there are few if any volunteers from the mass of users .
jje
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Crachel (site moderator) gave this warning before closing the thread.
'Wow, cifs module affects wifi? I'm more amazed everyday at this thread and the absolute nonsense being spewed from here. Your claims of what you're fixing would be in the kernel making your next "release" require source per GPL. So go ahead and upload/link that too or I'm locking this thread to put these noobs out of their misery'.
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P.S. Your not a lemming, people don't NEED to donate anything, and to be honest, no disrespect, but codeworkx now jumping in and essentially hijacking the thread I'm sure is against forum policy as well. No I'm ready to be crucified lmao.
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codeworkx sums it up for you in one of the last posts in that thread. I believe it wasn't closed because of spam, rather an incompetent, donation requesting developer giving false hopes to the uninformed.
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site staff should make it mandatory to display every users age, then we can really see how young those people are.
Did you guys really think that one lone developer would be able to pull off something the entire Hacksung team wasn't able to do (without kernel sources?)
What codeworkx did what right, IMO.
What XDA needs is more serious developers, not little kids trying to do something that's way beyond their reach. I've read nearly all the pages in that thread and it was a complete joke. I'm so glad that thread got locked.
All I saw from airbus was asking for donations, asking for other people to compile the builds, posts about failed builds and some pretty embarrasing theories as to why something wasn't working.
I'm all for this site being a learning ground for everyone who wants to develop, but there should be a special section for that. He is just not experienced enough to pull off a fully working ICS AOSP ROM for the GS2, and with that in mind, he shouldn't be allowed to pull wool over all the users' eyes.
Cool down bro .... nothings lost ! both teamhacksung and airbus are all at the same level so unless sammy can give them a proper workable build none of those guys are gonna fork out anything usable.
No one apart from sammy can fix stuff on there devices as the kernel source is still closed sourced so i would say at this point , there no use in ranting on why a ASOP or CM rom is not released or closed ! ...
I you still want to vent your anger vent at sammy for not releasing the source.
First of all, the thread was not a dev thread, it was a "dogs and cats in heat" hostage situation. 156 pages of nothing, over nothing and for nothing. While I can't comment on Airbus360's competence, he did stirred the waters by achieving a decent build of ICS - though no audio,cameras and SD. It doesn't matter how he did it- it's all part of GPL game. Saying that wifi is broken because of cifs.ko(or whatever cifs was he talking about) provided some clues for the devs.
Codeworkx said what he said, so if that's true, the work of Airbus360 can be replicated easily in a matter of minutes - given the fact that everybody coming here should have a clue about github and kernels.
What DOES matter is how people expect XDA to be a community for all.
IT IS NOT. IT HAS NEVER BEEN, NOR WILL IT BE.
It's open for a lot to read and here,@reading, it all should be stopped. Read, read, understand, read more and maybe, maybe then, post something, post something USEFUL. We don't pay for servers, nor we see a flood of banners here.
It's not a Sammy/HTC/ HP support forum.
2 things killing the sgs2 forum
Increasing number of:
1. n00b devs asking for donations for kanging
2. n00bs that just wont read
The culprits are getting away with it, on a daily basis.
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2 things killing the sgs2 forum
Increasing number of:
1. n00b devs asking for donations for kanging
2. n00bs that just wont read
The culprits are getting away with it, on a daily basis.
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This is unfortunately true in particular your second point, the same questions being asked over and over again, even last year on the HD2 forums we had this issue but it's become much worse in 2011 and i think when newbies register they should have be given a list of FAQ's and told to search the forum for any questions they might have where the chances are they will find the answer and only if they cant then start a thread where people will help, failure to do that should result in infractions leading to bannings,it may sound harsh but i believe it would be effective.
Well I am of the mindset to simply provide a noob with a reply or information regarding their question while others choose to gang up, berate and rudely direct them to search for themselves, c'est la vie. All of this contributes to a cluttered and chaotic thread. We were all noobs once, remember that.
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This is what I was partly referring to, mods provided a final warning that infractions would be handed down to individual users, instead the entire thread was closed. Make up your minds.
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This is unfortunately true in particular your second point, the same questions being asked over and over again, even last year on the HD2 forums we had this issue but it's become much worse in 2011 and i think when newbies register they should have be given a list of FAQ's and told to search the forum for any questions they might have where the chances are they will find the answer and only if they cant then start a thread where people will help, failure to do that should result in infractions leading to bannings,it may sound harsh but i believe it would be effective.
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We were all noobs once, remember that
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Unfortunately whilst we're all indeed noobs once, some of us read and search, rather than post new threads.
I've been following airbus twitter for quite a while now and something that bothered me after some time was the numerous attempts for donations while the progress was none... saying that he needed more ram... showing his laptop going berserk while compiling... posting pictures and links of the new computer he needed... and his progress was always two steps behind cm9 while he owes me nothing and
i respect his work even though he didn't accomplished nothing new he's learning from the experience and i had some fun following him on twitter. the subliminal donation messages became very annoying after a while... and why post a dozen threads of alpha roms where none is daily material ? i don't understand it ...
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to add my opinion here, airbus never asked for a donation directly or never gave assurance that he will fix all the existing problems. Normally its the othe forum members who flooded the thread with ETA and some OT discussion. preferably the mod could have cleaned the thread instead of closing it, i feel like a growing dev is being supressed. no offense to any one, just my opinion though
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This is what I was partly referring to, mods provided a final warning that infractions would be handed down to individual users, instead the entire thread was closed. Make up your minds.
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Learn to read, even in your own thread.
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Crachel (site moderator) gave this warning before closing the thread.
'Wow, cifs module affects wifi? I'm more amazed everyday at this thread and the absolute nonsense being spewed from here. Your claims of what you're fixing would be in the kernel making your next "release" require source per GPL. So go ahead and upload/link that too or I'm locking this thread to put these noobs out of their misery'.
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codeworkx sums it up for you in one of the last posts in that thread. I believe it wasn't closed because of spam, rather an incompetent, donation requesting developer giving false hopes to the uninformed.
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WArning was given at 5.21 pm and thread closed at 6.30 pm, isnt that too short for a warning?
THREAD IS MOVED HERE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28131167&posted=1#post28131167
Considering there is no support to anyone using CheckROM on XDA as the thread was closed. I have created this thread for people to list issues with the ROM or any themes, fixes or general ROM related problems.
I tried this once before a moment ago but it was closed by conantroutman because he is a really cool guy and obviously incredibly intelligent and knows exactly what has happened.
Originally Posted by uppon2
Under what rights did you close that thread? It was a general discussion thread for CheckROM.
General discussion means anything general. I believe you have no grounds to stand on closing that thread. Prove me wrong
First of all, this "general discussion" thread is nothing more than a thinly veiled excuse for you to rant about the fact that this particular ROM is not being updated as quickly as you would like and/or because the developers have decided to focus on a newer device over the SGSII. That is their decision, deal with it.
As for the problem with checkrom.com, that's a checkrom.com issue not an XDA-Developers issue. Take it up via the proper channels. (Hint, XDA is not the proper channel)
As I said before, if you have an issue with somebody, resolve it via PM. Due to the way you have chosen to word the OP this thread would only lead to you being flamed and we wouldn't want that now would we?.
This is a development forum, not a place for gossip and idle chit chat.
These are the grounds upon which I stand, consider yourself proven wrong.
I appreciate that you're a little miffed so here's a particularly adorable kitten to cheer you up. Have a nice day.
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You forgot to post this PM I also sent to you
Uppon2 = I don't need to contact anybody by PM by the way? Why would I need to do that. I am just laying out the truth in a general fashion. I think every man and his dog have sent them many PMs and requests for an explanation about their lies. Don't come along all high and mighty without reason dude.
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He never responded to either of my PMs even considering that is what to do first. Instead he posted it in the thread like a hero and gave me no chance to defend myself.
I was never trying to say anything else other than GadgetCheck and Leomar hyped up an unreleased ROM encouraged people to donate and took donations only to not actually do anything they said they were going to do. They have a donate button for a reason. To encourage further development (Which was already told was happening months ago) and to also give them a pat on their backs for what they have done already. I know for a fact many users donated solely on the fact there was going to be an ICS release as soon as jkay was ready and then again in June (Both times it never happened)
Now you can close this thread again, you can ban me, mute me and do anthing your powers provide. It is just solidifying my argument about CheckROM and proving that you're a macho moderator.
I am putting money on it that this thread will be closed. THERE IS NO REASON TO CLOSE IT. I'm not taking peoples money and running. Let the public speak.
I am not trying to get unbanned from checkrom.com I don't even care, my point was to strengthen my original argument of being mislead. And proved it I did
If you had actually read everything in my original thread you would have still closed it but you wouldn't have replied the way you did mate.
I posted this here on purpose to get the attention of certain people. I do apologise for my actions and I was a bit of a douche
If you have a problem with a moderator, take it up with the moderator committee, instead of creating a thread in a development section.
Cheers.
As a member of XDA and a fellow user and somewhat acquaintance of the S.I.X. ROM dev, I feel this is a necessary post. Frankie (the dev) put a lot of hard work into S.I.X. ROM and some individuals seemed to not like that he on his own was able to make one of, if not the first functional Android 8 ROM for the N6.
I'm ashamed to be part of the XDA community right now as a result of all this. I thought we were better than this...
The point of a community is to work together to make progress, not attack those who get somewhere first because you are jealous.
Very well said. After 8 years here, I'm still amazed at the childishness of some supposed "senior" members and "contributors." Pettiness is the death of innovation.
Unfortunately this happens quite often on XDA. The people who originally figure stuff out get pushed out by kangers who want to "see" the code, claiming open source and license rule violations.
It's the interwebs, that the way it is. Your going to get trolls no matter what the subject is or what forum (Sports, Android, Gaming, Politics etc) your visiting.
Some of you act like you've never seen a troll, get your head out of the sand..........JEEZ!!!
EDIT: A Mod should close this thread because it serves no purpose whatsoever
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The Xda community has well over 7 million members.
Just like families of 6 or 10 have crazy uncles and weird cousins, there is NO WAY to remove all the craziness from a 7 million member community.
So while certain Roms or specific development areas DO have trouble, animosity, jealousy, kanging, etc, it is by and large a SMALL percentage of the Xda community.
As far as this specific situation; this won't be the first dev to pull their work and it won't be the last. Facts are facts.
There is absolutely NO WAY to keep every dev of kernels, Roms, apps, mods, etc. from being offended by something, someone, somewhere during their time with Xda, most of the time it's legit, sometimes it's just petty (devs are people too)
With that being said, the Moderation staff, which are all volunteers (just like the devs) work daily to remove, and reduce those who cause trouble within Xda.
The absolute BEST thing EVERY member can do is REPORT trouble, trolls, problems, and NO ENGAGE them in the threads when they come to town.
A large amount of thread troubles occur when well intending regulars of the thread engage trolls and troublemakers, and suddenly there are 4 pages of insults, attacks, disrespect. What dev wants to deal with that when they do this for free and for fun?
The reasons devs pull their work can be vast and multi-tiered, and no one can control the outcome of that except the devs themselves.
The more GOOD members who maintain their composure and follow the rules by NOT engaging in off-topic, troll chasing, the easier it is to identify, and remove the troublemakers, and the less trouble threads will have overall.
If 6.9 million members don't feed the .1 million trolls, they'll stop trolling... No private community will EVER be free of trolls, it's impossible as sometimes good members go tot he troll side and there is NO WAY to stop that prior to it happening.
So to you good members who respect the devs and the Xda community, do your part and follow the rules, report the trolls don't feed them, and we can all offer those who dev and assist in threads, the best atmosphere possible (which will never be perfect) to share, develop and enjoy this thing we call Xda.
Unfortunately, threads like this, no matter how well intended, only invite MORE drama and add more fuel to the troll fire, so it is being closed.
Thank you for your cooperation
tl;dr Xda is a HUGE community. You good members work at being the best part of Xda by following the rules, and not feeding the trolls. Let the Moderation Staff handle the troublemakers. Continue to help your fav dev with bugs and show them respect, say thank you a lot (it's free) and throw them a bone once in a while.