Database Users

NEW USERS!

We've got a lot of new users appear on here lately, it looks like in search of updated roms for the x1.
PLEASE IF YOU ARE NEW TO THIS THEN DO NOT FLASH A ROM
without
A) reading
B) reading some more
C) reading even more!
All the roms should come through the SE Update Service, please use that as it is a simpler method and if something goes wrong, then you can go to SE to complain..
Please use the search if you have a problem, if you don't find what you want the first time, then search again, maybe try searching around the subject.
There's a very very good chance that the question has already been answered several times!
If you can't find the answer then flick through the older pages on the thread, if it's something to do with the operation of the X1 then there's a good chance it's in the oldest pages of the forum.
Experienced members get upset by people starting new threads with the same moans or questions because it really clogs up the great search system with all manner of wasted threads. If there's an existing thread than use that please! If the questions already been asked don't ask it again!
This forum is not a SE support forum, no-one (that will admit to it anyway) is from SE so if you have issues with them why not raise it with them?
If you want to know how you X1 does various stuff try one of the operators online guides.
If you flash a custom rom or another rom obtained from here, despite being warned not too. DO NOT go running off to MS or SE complaining that it's all gone wrong, they
A) won't likely listen
B)won't like us very much
Ta.

You should keep this on the very first ROMS subforum page fards
I know It's already written everywhere... old problem... but many people falls in parachute here, landing directly inside the ROMs post from external links. XDA DEVS is da bomb
And no newbies seem to read anything but exclusively what they are looking for

gtrab said:
And no newbies seem to read anything but exclusively what they are looking for
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Hmmm...a rather sweeping generalisation methinks...
I'm a noob here, I'll admit that. However, I'm a board Admin elsewhere in cyberspace so I know exactly where you're coming from. I've done my time reading, understanding, occasionally asking relevant questions in the relevant places, and trying to help out where I might have some answers.
Your advice is spot on, and anyone who is inexperienced should tread slowly and carefully. There is all the time in the world to learn how to get it right, but it takes very little time to totally stuff things up.
"Use the search, Luke"

Instead of telling new guys to read, you could've put the same effort into and making a nice thread for them instead.
Maybe a list on where to start reading and so on!
This thread has no meaning whatsoever. New guys will probably just read first lines skip it and ask a question.
And remember we have all been there, not knowing how to flash etc.
Also searching can be a very time consuming thing to do, and asking and getting an answer is often way faster.

this thread doesnt make sense without any links to where to read...

This forum is where you read. it is a development forum, not a help forum!
you read the first thread that the moderators try to get EVERY NEW USER to read, this was a gentle reminder to get people to do just that.
People are not here to act as customer service for people who are too lazy to use the search facility on this site.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=681487&postcount=1
try that and the one below for starters.

tarnaman said:
this thread doesnt make sense without any links to where to read...
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A perfect example of not reading. The purpose of this thread is not to reference, it's to inform.

FrezoreR said:
Instead of telling new guys to read, you could've put the same effort into and making a nice thread for them instead.
Maybe a list on where to start reading and so on!
This thread has no meaning whatsoever. New guys will probably just read first lines skip it and ask a question.
And remember we have all been there, not knowing how to flash etc.
Also searching can be a very time consuming thing to do, and asking and getting an answer is often way faster.
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Searching is quite time consuming but you have no idea what kind of information is in this treasure chest. U accidentally stumble on to some great stuff.

Bxsteez said:
Searching is quite time consuming but you have no idea what kind of information is in this treasure chest. U accidentally stumble on to some great stuff.
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and unfortunately it gets harder the more threads we get asking exactly the same thing over and over again.. ;P

Yea that is true. I was searching PIE6 and i ran across about 13-14 threads of the same question. i was on like page 3 or 4 of the search before i got the right hit.

maybe xda-newbies.com should be registered as a none development and referance site? lol

Bxsteez said:
Yea that is true. I was searching PIE6 and i ran across about 13-14 threads of the same question. i was on like page 3 or 4 of the search before i got the right hit.
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which reminds me the pie8 files that sun_dream posted in his BA 6.5 thread work, when copied over on itjes 6.5 (it's still pie6 core I think. but a bit snappier).

How about a period of not being able to post when registering ?, a day or three would give new members with their questions a little time to cool down and search/read for the answers which will usually be found here somewhere.
Just an idea.

loggy said:
How about a period of not being able to post when registering ?, a day or three would give new members with their questions a little time to cool down and search/read for the answers which will usually be found here somewhere.
Just an idea.
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I actually think that's not a bad idea, was just suggesting it to a couple of other members. Only drawback I think is that it couldn't be restricted to one sub forum such as the x1 from my experiences with vbulletin..
So it would restrict some of the truly amazing first posts that have come from some of the great genii?? on this site..
Alternatively we could have another Sub-forum, in the X1, with for newbies to ask the same questions of each other (like a creche) and anyone found straying outside of that forum until they've learnt to search and read would get electrocuted.. or something..

you mean, something like asking a question about an advanced feature, if you have it right then you're allowed to the real forums?
Well to be honest, the only thing a noob should read are the stickies. I learned to flash, edit, modify, type, behave, proof read, error correction, ask nicely, say please thank you cookie i love you, by reading those stickies.
Actually I think it's a good idea to have a sub-forum for the newbies, and then bomb them with the 'READ THE F-WORD STICKIES OR DIE' *going too far here...

Search ?? No thanks
FrezoreR said:
Instead of telling new guys to read, you could've put the same effort into and making a nice thread for them instead.
Maybe a list on where to start reading and so on!
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I LOVE this one.
Seems like he hasn't even seen the ROM-DEV subforum front page with all those sticky posts full of DIY tutorials, clear explanations, links, "how to"s... never mind...
FrezoreR said:
Also searching can be a very time consuming thing to do, and asking and getting an answer is often way faster.
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Maybe he's right: xda-devs should delete the "search" box and google is a freaking waste of time
And yes: I received two or three "search and read!!" replies to my very first posts too... Human nature...

gtrab said:
I LOVE this one.
Seems like he hasn't even seen the ROM-DEV subforum front page with all those sticky posts full of DIY tutorials, clear explanations, links, "how to"s... never mind...
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Well sure the sticky post are great, but this post could be done more helpful instead of saying something that is already stated all over the forum
Maybe he's right: xda-devs should delete the "search" box and google is a freaking waste of time
And yes: I received two or three "search and read!!" replies to my very first posts too... Human nature...
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But to search efficient you have to know what to search for, the keywords are important in a search engine. And when you're a newbie those terms might not be known to you. Or you might not understand a lot of them.
And beeing sarcastic about my comment is not helping anyone that is just pure immature.

fards said:
would get electrocuted.. or something..
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Haha. Make sure everyone has an 'xda' branded keyboard with strategically placed electrodes on it..
Ok ok, I guess that would be a bit overboard!

FrezoreR said:
Well sure the sticky post are great, but this post could be done more helpful instead of saying something that is already stated all over the forum
But to search efficient you have to know what to search for, the keywords are important in a search engine. And when you're a newbie those terms might not be known to you. Or you might not understand a lot of them.
And beeing sarcastic about my comment is not helping anyone that is just pure immature.
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Lets face it. Most people that come here with questions like "how can I flash my ROM?" just didn't bother to look. And trust me, there's plenty.
The bothersome thing is not that people ask questions, that's normal in a developer environment. What does bother me, and most - if not all - others is that they ask questions they can answer themselves by putting just a wee bit of time into it. Instead, they had rather have other people spend time doing everything for them. I can see where this attitude comes from - it's easier, but you get my point.

FrezoreR said:
Well sure the sticky post are great, but this post could be done more helpful instead of saying something that is already stated all over the forum
But to search efficient you have to know what to search for, the keywords are important in a search engine. And when you're a newbie those terms might not be known to you. Or you might not understand a lot of them.
And beeing sarcastic about my comment is not helping anyone that is just pure immature.
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If people manage to use a search engine to find this site then they can manage to use a search engine to find the answers to their questions.
Not knowing or being too lazy to be independent enough to search is the real immaturity.

Radical suggestion - let's restart this forum?

HD has been around for many months now and the forum seems to be full of duplicate messages and requests.
How about we delete it all and start again?

Cheesy Dave said:
HD has been around for many months now and the forum seems to be full of duplicate messages and requests.
How about we delete it all and start again?
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Not really a practical way of doing this as the whole process would just repeat itself.
A few ways of doing this:
1. Leave it as it is
2. Have more categories so questions on specific topics are in specific folders i.e. all game threads in one folder, all threads on battery in other and so on.....but this would create dozens of folders, so again not practical.
3. Have a new setup so noobs aren't actually able to post questions unless they have already searched the forum.....but again, this also isn't practical
4. Have a section for noobs where all basic questions are asked and then another section for other members....but again, I'm not sure this would work either as a person may be posting their first thread but be an experienced user.
Personally, I would just leave it as it is, and possibly just delete a few threads which are useless to clear the waste

Baby and bathwater spring unbidden to mind!

sorry to say.....
when a new phone comes out.....this happens to all threads
when the diamond came out...we was in the same boat..
when the diamond2 come out....it will all happen again
you have to get used to it....thats what happens when n00bs get new toys

liamhere said:
when a new phone comes out.....this happens to all threads
when the diamond came out...we was in the same boat..
when the diamond2 come out....it will all happen again
you have to get used to it....thats what happens when n00bs get new toys
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Totally agree, thats why after all my suggestions I said it wouldn't work so just leave it as it is!!

while i agreee thre are lot of multiple threads i still beleive leaving them up is the besy way to help as user SHould search theyll get more options
ive just got this toy. but ive owned a godd few winmo phones before hand so im no noob but we alll have issues

Something that would help i think is better use of the wiki. Each cook having a page, each rom having its own page. each app having its own page. the discussion belongs in forum but ROMs should have their own page then theres 1 location for update info, details ect.

liamhere said:
when a new phone comes out.....this happens to all threads
when the diamond came out...we was in the same boat..
when the diamond2 come out....it will all happen again
you have to get used to it....thats what happens when n00bs get new toys
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Mabe start the cleaning process by banning all the "nOOb" bashers. That would cut down on a lot of the redundency around here.

If you cant beat them.... join them....

well...
If wiki was better organized... and have screenshots tutorials... and it should be a separate child forum for each phone

istoica said:
If wiki was better organized... and have screenshots tutorials... and it should be a separate child forum for each phone
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Or integrate an automatic search screen (maybe a popup to act as a temporary block) for:
a) anyone starting a new thread with
b) less than 40 or 50 posts history.
Then continue VIGILANTLY marking and reporting useless/repetitive threads.

Abram said:
maybe a popup to act as a temporary block for:
a) anyone starting a new thread with
b) less than 40 or 50 posts history.
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Quite like this idea of a pop up for noobs asking them to check if question has already been asked and telling them how to use the site including search option!

Fallen Spartan said:
Quite like this idea of a pop up for noobs asking them to check if question has already been asked and telling them how to use the site including search option!
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Should be easy to implement as well, I think. Mind you we'll still need to do the cleaning up.

Abram said:
Should be easy to implement as well, I think. Mind you we'll still need to do the cleaning up.
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All we need is a few MOD's to have a look at this thread and hopefully some ideas will get implemented.......obviously not all

I will vote for changing the forum first page. Giving that the number of devices is increasing, it is getting harder to find your phone through all of them. Maybe it is possible to categories it like saying depending on the model year/release date or specificationsod the device. That would be much more interesting than scrolling the whole page waiting to find a specific one.

Psyberd said:
Something that would help i think is better use of the wiki. Each cook having a page, each rom having its own page. each app having its own page. the discussion belongs in forum but ROMs should have their own page then theres 1 location for update info, details ect.
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ya.. ya... more option is good... may be almost the same problem but different solution...

Summarize
Major issue is looooong threads - which just go on and on. In the case of an answer to a particular problem - as soon as someone has a definitive answer the thread needs to be marked as Solved and the answer put in a reserved slot on the first page. It can me a nightmare going through a dozen solutions to fix a problem - and with people quoting bit's all the time there's probably 50% of the info duplicated.
Still
Best forum going

Toggs said:
Major issue is looooong threads - which just go on and on. In the case of an answer to a particular problem - as soon as someone has a definitive answer the thread needs to be marked as Solved and the answer put in a reserved slot on the first page. It can me a nightmare going through a dozen solutions to fix a problem - and with people quoting bit's all the time there's probably 50% of the info duplicated.
Still
Best forum going
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Good idea!
All threads should be done this way, i.e. once a solution to a query or bug is solved it should be posted at start of thread!!

istoica said:
If wiki was better organized... and have screenshots tutorials... and it should be a separate child forum for each phone
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Wiki can be easily edited so feel free to contribute to the community by starting to edit it and cover its flaws.

Fallen Spartan said:
Quite like this idea of a pop up for noobs asking them to check if question has already been asked and telling them how to use the site including search option!
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But the thing is Fallen, I've been trolling these forums for years, ever since I got my universal roughly 3/4 years ago. The majority of posts I have made really has been to help other people.
I am not a noob but have not made many posts, I am a competent programmer and can solve problems without having to post... Usually.
It would be really annoying if the few times I did need to post for help, or to share information, I would have to answer to a stupid popup asking me whether I have searched or not!
However, I do agree there is a severe lack in understanding the search facility on these forums, I think if a NOOB filter were to be placed it should go on join date.
P.S My join date was before Aug 07 I just forgot my email and password

Can any bdy post BUG FREE WIN 6.5 ROM??????????????????????

ive tried each n every rom so plzz ne 1 can u upload a bug win6.5 rom for htc opal viva....................
thanx in advance

For God's sake! There are already dozens of threads asking the same question, and tons of them are already in the first page, so you don't even need to search to find them. Couldn't you just look at them and post there.
Man, the moderation in this section is dead... Half of the threads here break the forum rules...
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i agree with MusikMonk
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For God's sake! There are already dozens of threads asking the same question, and tons of them are already in the first page, so you don't even need to search to find them. Couldn't you just look at them and post there.
Man, the moderation in this section is dead... Half of the threads here break the forum rules...
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quite true...some folks thinks that they could just waltz in here, make their demand and when somebody pities them and helps them out they just walk out...
@rishid
Its clear that this is not a customer support/care center...the great guys in this forum put a lot of hardwork, full of trials and errors, wasting time and energy trying to bring out better, efficient ROMs. Atleat, go through what other members have posted in the relevant sections and i am sure that you will find a problem similiar to yours and it may have been resolved in the post itself.
i don't think it's a good idea just to start a thread with a dumb question like 'Give me the best ROM' or 'Give me the lightest ROM' or 'Can any bdy post BUG FREE WIN 6.5 ROM??????????????????????' and the like.....
i don't mean you in particular...don't take it to heart...just pointing out the fact
hope you have a happy stay here in this great forum!

there's NO such thing as a Bug-Free WM6.5 ROM.

[Q] From Cyanogen to OTA Froyo MT3G

I'm currently running the MT3G 32b with the Cyanogen Froyo 2.2 install, considering TMobile is releasing the OTA Froyo update in the next few weeks, I'm considering going with that, but if I want to do that, do I have to do something to my phone to get it ready for the update? Or can I go straight from the Cyanogen mod to accept the OTA Update?
Thanks up front for your patience.

wow, amazing first post, now why dont you try SEARCHING for your answer, because its been answered 100000000 times

Foo_Blyat said:
wow, amazing first post, now why dont you try SEARCHING for your answer, because its been answered 100000000 times
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tldnr: post a link or it doesn't exist
I've searched every magic / dream / TMO OTA wall that has been created on this and the Cyanogen forum, as well as Googling for similar threads and data on various forums, and haven't found a single post on a single thread that answers simply this specific question. In addition, I've looked at every post that was recommended as possible solutions by this forum as I was creating this thread.
So if you could be bothered for a brief moment to get off your high horse. A horse whose saddle bags are filled with a fountain of knowledge and forum links of hundreds of millions of responses on threads to the question I have posted. Maybe you could post a single link with a response, or even a set of keywords that could be placed into Google or whatever search engine you prefer to use that would return a single result that answers the question.
If however, in your infinite wisdom, you feel that answering my question would take up too much time out of your day, I suppose I'll let you get back to trolling the forums in hope that you can post "first" and "search first" on every thread anyone creates.

Case Closed
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Foo_Blyat said:
wow, amazing first post, now why dont you try SEARCHING for your answer, because its been answered 100000000 times
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Here's a great example of how to be a total douche on a forum. Good job!

Development stickies

Hello! Recently, as many of us have noticed, the moderator of the Vibrant forums here on XDA has decided to consolidate all of the sticky threads in to a single thread. I, and several other members of XDA, have some major concerns with this including:
Former stickies are mixed in with development threads
Stickies are more difficult to find
Stickies receive less attention, and therefore there is less incentive to update them
Since having easy to access information reduces the number of off-topic and question posts over in development I put forth a suggestion to our moderator, that the users of XDA decide if the stickies are returned or an alternative solution is devised! If there is a majority in favor of changing the presence of the stickies mmelo has stated that he will abide by the will of the users.
If anyone has any alternative solutions besides the ones I have posted in the poll please come forward with them!

Being someone who has two of these stickies, the ones geared for those who need the most help... And the amount of time I spent... And for all those who post questions in them that I answer...
I'm a little offended and upset. I mean first there were stickies that had absolutely no business being stickied and now lumping them all together (now I have no clue if someone posts a question).. Whatever, I've taken a break from it for a few days and it's been nice. Perhaps this is my sign to just quit trying to help so much.
Perhaps we just need a new bibrant moderator too though.
Edit: I guess my suggestion is:
How it was before (before meaning not including threads that should not be stickies)
a new mod, someone who has a pulse on the vibrant and speaks English (isn't that a guideline for being a mod)... I mean absolutely no disrespect, just being honest.

My suggestion was to remove threads like the Nero fixes and stuff and the Samsung numbers.
Not your threads but I guess he didn't exactly understand,but this being a mobile website and all the stickies were filling up most of the screen.
There's plenty positives about this and negatives, but the statement its harder to find is BS.
U guys tell newbies to search anyways and searching will only lead to the same thread.

Find a post where I said search, AND didn't provide an answer.
It is harder. If someone posts a question, I have no clue now unless my thread happens to be on page 1.
The only positive I see is that you don't have to scroll down as much...

You know if you guys don't like what he is doing to the vibrant forum you can always go above him and let the administrators know.
A mod is just an employee and they aren't perfect, some even abuse their powers at times.
Ultimately if the forum members aren't happy then let the people above the mods know.
I personally think there were too many stickies to begin with, but sticking them all in one, including the bible and noob guide was a bad idea. Just my opinion that is all.

As someone who searched first and asked later. I miss the previous setup.
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I liked it the way it was tbh. Was very helpful to have all the info in one area, now i have to search for everything than bookmark it.

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I liked it the way it was tbh. Was very helpful to have all the info in one area, now i have to search for everything than bookmark it.
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Search for everything? You guys are over exaggerating it.
Its all in 1 sticky.
At the TOP of the page.
S15,you want to answer questions on it thread? Bookmark your thread and check it once in a while. Your not going to get 500 questions at a time and lose answering questions.

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Being someone who has two of these stickies, the ones geared for those who need the most help... And the amount of time I spent... And for all those who post questions in them that I answer...
I'm a little offended and upset. I mean first there were stickies that had absolutely no business being stickied and now lumping them all together (now I have no clue if someone posts a question).. Whatever, I've taken a break from it for a few days and it's been nice. Perhaps this is my sign to just quit trying to help so much.
Perhaps we just need a new bibrant moderator too though.
Edit: I guess my suggestion is:
How it was before (before meaning not including threads that should not be stickies)
a new mod, someone who has a pulse on the vibrant and speaks English (isn't that a guideline for being a mod)... I mean absolutely no disrespect, just being honest.
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s15 did put a lot of work into his thread. I tried searching for something and IT IS harder to get an answer. I say we put it how it was. Especially for the new people here.
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s15 did put a lot of work into his thread. I tried searching for something and IT IS harder to get an answer. I say we put it how it was. Especially for the new people here.
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Why are you saying search???
Its the first thing up there. WHY ARE YOU SEARCHING?
clicking 1thing to get info on 5 other threads isn't that hard.