what is the difference between those two? and IF i have 6.5 is it possible to upgrade to 6.5.x [if there's any adavantage]
thanks
i believe the x either stands for professional version of windows or the amount of memory (1024 mgb) just a guess though
Actually the difference is that WM6.5 is the mass market currently released version of WM. 6.5.X denotes to the latest Sys builds from microsoft, basically the next version of WM. There is currently 6.5.3 & 6.5.5 which add features like threaded email, larger more touch friendly menus & the start button is on the bottom of the screen. The context buttons that you use are larger too.
The main purpose of 6.5.X series was to take advantage of the touch screen based PPCs that have been coming out by making it easier to use WM without a stylus. Especially if any more capacative WM devices are released.
As for upgrading, there is no official upgrade but most custom roms in the development area are using 6.5.3/5 currently so that will be the best way to go. When we first started using those I didn't like the large buttons but it's grown on me now and I won't go back to plain jane 6.5.
One last thing to take into account though is that 6.5.X builds are not as 100% stable as 6.5 based roms seeing as how 6.5.X is still in development. I have never had any issues but others have said that 6.5 is faster and such. On this phone it doesnt really make a difference.
The thing i really don't like about 6.5.x is the bubbly buttons and start menu button at the bottom of the screen, they just look tacky IMO and eat up more screen real estate, I've not had problems hitting the current smaller and flat buttons on 6.5.
I've not looked much into 6.5.x to find out if there's a way to revert that back to the 6.5 "classic" style
The bubbly buttons remind me of the "Fischer Price" style apps that used to be somewhat common years ago. They just look tacky and ugly as hell, there's a reason a standard user interface was developed.
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This is a serious question although I appreciate it could be taken as a troll.
Should Microsoft start again with their mobile OS? I know why they have kept compatability with older software but I personally think this is hurting them more than throwing away backwards compatability.
Look at the iPhone - that started from scratch and has grown to prominence without any back catalog of software.
Cheers, Rob.
Actually, the "General" topic is a better place for this so asked question there.
How do you delete a post?
Cheers, Rob.
Actually MS Should start by now and give a very good strong Update for WM 6.5 (May be R2) which should have:
0) Very Very Stable Core and clean and Easy UI with Finger Friendly.
1) May be some UI like SBP MobileShell
May be something like:
a) Windows Professional -> The current WM 6.5 Default Theme style
b) Windows Ultimate -> Theme like MobileShell (that will have multiple pages and arranging capabilities for the gazgets)
Not sure if MS got this capabilities or planing to give all these in their WinMO 7 after 2012
Is it possible to make the scrolling more smooth? (Maybe like the iphone?)
an app or ROM that can do it maybe?
can you give us more information? which handset are you using? with which ROM?
I dont have a wm phone yet
I just watched the Iphone vs WM 6.5 from pocketnow and he said that scrolling on the iphone is just SO Smooth, and on the wm 6.5 its a little "Natchy".
So i just wandered if we could Customize the scrolling ability in wm6.5 to make it more Smooth?
lobfredd said:
I dont have a wm phone yet
I just watched the Iphone vs WM 6.5 from pocketnow and he said that scrolling on the iphone is just SO Smooth, and on the wm 6.5 its a little "Natchy".
So i just wandered if we could Customize the scrolling ability in wm6.5 to make it more Smooth?
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There are a few programs that allow for kinetic scrolling which is found on the iPhone. Many custom and official roms have this built in of course. The video you may have been watching probably showed a rom without a scrolling driver/program. FTouchSL is a program that allows this.
Scrolling smoothness depends on processing speed of the device itself. I have a HTC Touch and scrolling in menu and lists is jerky at default CPU speed(200Mhz). When i overclock it, the scrolling appears much more fluid (btw, my ELFin goes up to 300Mhz!! Even 308 works but i use it at 300 )
Actually the differences between the iPhone and WM6.5 aren't that different.
Scrolling on the WM6.5 has kinetic scrolling built in. The difference is that Windows Mobile will change the scrolling depending on what app you are using. Most scrolling is EXACTLY like the iPhone.
The "notching" effect is only found in the later builds of the Start Menu where when you FLICK... it only scrolls one page at a time... verses scrolling all the way to the bottom... similar to the iPhones homescreen where you flick to go to the next page of app icons.
With WM6.5 you don't need any type of additional scrolling as it is already smooth and fluid. Stock WM6.5 drivers are even better then that of FTouchSL and HTC Gestures.
Few days ago a guy at work asked me whether you can even use the touch screen on Windows Mobile because he thought that's only possible with iphone. That's so RIDICULOUS (my favourite word as of recently). But I guess we can blame it on MS for launching 6.5 way too late....
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Few days ago a guy at work asked me whether you can even use the touch screen on Windows Mobile because he thought that's only possible with iphone. That's so RIDICULOUS (my favourite word as of recently). But I guess we can blame it on MS for launching 6.5 way too late....
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I'd blame it on apple for their brainwashing of the most of the population, including looking at that latest lawsuit themselves, into believing that they are teh only ones to do anything at all ever..
Regardless of any kinetic scrolling present in Windows Mobile 6.5 or later, there really is nothing out there that will let the default WinMo apps scroll as consistently smooth as an iPhone, not even on my HD2.
There are some third party apps with excellent smooth scrolling built in (Like Resco Explorer 2010), but if you want the start menu, WinMo contacts, messaging, File Explorer etc. to have perfect smooth scrolling - it's not going to happen.
It's not terrible by any means, but you'll get the occasionally hiccup or lost frame or pause. And it doesn't seem like its running at full frame rate either - but most of the time it runs pretty well. Certainly not anything to lose sleep over
Well you can always get some Cooked ROM like Dutty`s ... I could say that it is better than my original ROM was. And I mean in all terms.
Coincidently, i have a related doubt. Is it possible to make scrolling in WM 6.5.X more fluid and bouncy like in WM 6.5 by replacing some registry setting or file?
I would like to know this too,I dont think its possible.
usju said:
Coincidently, i have a related doubt. Is it possible to make scrolling in WM 6.5.X more fluid and bouncy like in WM 6.5 by replacing some registry setting or file?
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Just install this cab
Steve0007 said:
Just install this cab
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Im using the ROM from my Signature so its a 6.5 Build and like some peoples here say the drivers are already includet in the 6.5 Builds but i search in the rom and i found that file PhysicsEngine.ddl in my windows directory the file was only 20kb
So i download the cab scrolling bouncing 6.5.x.cab and i saw in the cab that here just have the same PhysicsEngine.ddl but its a bit diferent and is 23 KB not 20 like in my ROM.
I install the CAB and i don`t know do is placibo effect but now the scrolling is even better, so my question is from withch ROM you extract this ddl file and maybe have diference in the this files so when this is a bigger size its mean that is a bit diferent.. because if was the same size 20kb this mean is the same.
Also if this is right we can extract this ddl from the very very latest 6.5 Buld witch is posible to be more up to date and the ddl file to be even better.
It seems to me my scroll is also become better. Before it was often, that then I started to scroll, the phone recognized it as a touch and lunched what was under the finger. Now then I scroll – it scroll, then I touch – it touch.
wow
this makes scrolling much better.
Good POST
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Just install this cab
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This does noticeably affect how this scrolls. Thanks so much for the cab. I am running an NRG ROM, and it has most definitely improved my scrolling abilities. GOOD WORK!!!
It's certainly better. Anyways, I once used a ROM which had a really, really smooth Windows menu. Just as smooth as iphone. But I forgot which ROM it was. I have no clue why it was so smooth : (
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Can I use this on my T-Mobile HD2 (USA) Stock ROM?
Thanks!
Test and let us know
HTC Mogul currently on WM6.1 Live from RyanMogul, tried 6.5 heavy was a bit much for the device. any recommendations, pros/cons for 6.5/6.1 heavy/light on the mogul? has all services from cricket active on account.
Personally I love the 6.5 heavy. though I have not used the 6.5 light. I think the 6.5 was a huge improvement from 6.1. I am also enjoying the Win7 inspired edition from Ryan Mogul
For this device, I feel like 6.5 is too hefty. I can't deal with the slow speed when unlocking, changing orientation, texting, etc.
I prefer Ryan's 6.1 (version 1.5). I keep the standard Today Screen and use Iconsoft PhonEx 2.2 to replace contacts, dialer, and call screens. If you really hate the standard Today screen, I recommend iPhoneToday, as it uses less resources than any other alternative Today screen I've tried.
As PhonEx is a pay application, alternatives would be iDialer and iContact - however, I find that PhonEx uses less resources and behaves nicer than these.
Some swear by SPB Mobile Shell. I enjoy it as well, but I'm content with the above options. Mobile Shell is a great all-in-one solution, but it uses a bit more memory than the choices above.
I maintain around 27-28MB after Oxios. SPB Mobile Shell may get you to the 23-24 range.
Hopefully this helps!
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For this device, I feel like 6.5 is too hefty. I can't deal with the slow speed when unlocking, changing orientation, texting, etc.
I prefer Ryan's 6.1 (version 1.5). I keep the standard Today Screen and use Iconsoft PhonEx 2.2 to replace contacts, dialer, and call screens. If you really hate the standard Today screen, I recommend iPhoneToday, as it uses less resources than any other alternative Today screen I've tried.
As PhonEx is a pay application, alternatives would be iDialer and iContact - however, I find that PhonEx uses less resources and behaves nicer than these.
Some swear by SPB Mobile Shell. I enjoy it as well, but I'm content with the above options. Mobile Shell is a great all-in-one solution, but it uses a bit more memory than the choices above.
I maintain around 27-28MB after Oxios. SPB Mobile Shell may get you to the 23-24 range.
Hopefully this helps!
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Since the time i wrote this i have been using the 6.1 light, and having no issues except my data connection/wireless web doesnt want to work right, however, the pix msgs work just fine, crazy i know, im still working this out ( somehow, someway) i know i have the full package from cricket, so its just a matter of time, and some complaining to tech support and im sure itll work itself out.
6.1 has always worked better than 6.5 for me on our device. Just not enough RAM.
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Does anyone have a picture of the differences of WM6.5 heavy vs. WM6.5 light?
I have used several ROMs with sense 2.5 for its quick link facility. I use lots of Medical tools with my HD. But as HD is well outside the capabilities for Sense 2.5 was designed. And I feel it is very slow for everyday use sometimes.
I have used Win 6.5 Titanium with SPB Mobile shell. There are many themes which simulate sense 2.5 with shortcut functionality. For example HTC PURE STYLE 3 from Mobilecustom.fr. There are even win Mobile 7 like skins from Proplus.
I feel some speed gain but not sure whether it is my mind due to bias.
Which combo is faster???? Post your experiences!
using additional application such as SPB Mobile Shell will slow down your HD because of additional RAM consumption. i think standard ROM (no addtional application installed when there're existing application which do the same function) will speed up your HD.
wrong section needs to go in general.
try NRGZ Standard Reference ROM - it's wm6.5+standard sense 2.5
then just install GFXBoost, and get BSB Tweaks and tick all of the graphics boosting boxes, and it should be quite zippy. but try different ROMs - different chefs focus on different things, some on features, others on speed. but there are definitely builds out there with speed.
personally, MS3.5.3 is way too laggy and the features, skins and themes aren't as elegant as Sense 2.5...there is always something not quite as good as sense.
for example - the calendar is not as flexible, smooth or as nice to use as the Sense 2.5 version.
Is there a way to implement quick links or shortcuts in Home page of manila 2.1?
black new
tries Black new V 2.5 Manilla fastest ROM that I had 38%
Winner is SPB Shell. Down load a rom without HTC Sense or manila. Test it by yourself. I got at least 100m RAM left after SPB Shell (70-80m with manila) .
You can also customize the short cuts for it (3 to 5 pages with 10 to 15 shortcuts for each page. It should be enough for your needs.
I have tried few ROMs up to now including Energy, Stonehedge, Kenia and KWBR. I always felt that SPB MS with WIN 6.5 is quite snappy and fast though I love the interface of Sense more.
I've been using Mobile Shell 3.5.5 lately with kwbr's WM6.5 and Manila 2.1 (no Sense) - very impressed. So impressed in fact, that I'm looking for a snappy WM6.1 ROM to use it on as I think this would cover everything I'm looking for!
You should try KWBR's titanium ROM with SPB MS. No point installing a ROM with manila unless you want to switch between two interfaces.
ok, this is useless thread number 23984723492...
As you can see from the responces, there are a lot of possible good and fast roms.
However you just need to try and see what you like best!
Some people say it is 'fast' when it is 'smooth' others sit by their rom with a stopwatch to determen if it's fast...
Oh, and this is not related to rom development, just to the HD so -> subforum general!
Hi can you tell me which is the fastest ROM for our HDs .Doesn't matter 6.1 or 6.5. I just want fast ROM with weather on the homescreen. Of course I prefer 6.5 with sense but I don't know does it fast as 6.1. If there is WinMo 6.1 with interface Sense 2.5 and it's fast like touch flo for example will be great.
Thank you!
this question has been asked and answered dozens of times.
the fastest rom is the stock rom wm6.1 with touchflo 3d 1.3
this touchflo version only has a weather tab, no weather on home screen. also not all sense 2.1 versions have home screen weather.
if there were such a thing as a perfect blackstone rom, no other chef could be bothered building own versions, the blackstone classically is a device on the line. it has a high display resolution, yet not the powerful processor, most new devices with that resolution have.
so, you have to pick, either speed OR a lot of features.
you can try cloudy 0.7 for instance. while on the one hand, it has not been updated in almost a year (also, as in most roms, the twitter tab does not work anymore). but it combines wm6.1 with sense 2.5 and it is relatively fast.
but if you are actually all about the speed of the rom, you might want to try a stock rom, and simply move the weather tab to the 2nd position, right next to the home screen. it isnt't too much work to swipe over the display once to check the weather. just think of iphone users, who with one swipe only just unlocked their phone and are hardly ready to access all kinds of information without launching 267 apps
Fast rom and ram
Chef_Tony,
First of all sorry for going off topic i just have a few questions
1. Does more free Ram makes a rom faster. i mean if a rom have 100 MB free ram on start is faster then a ROM having 60 mb free ram.
2. I dont use manila, sense, titanium or any today screen, just resco today items, i use to have xperia x1 b4 my hd n there was this rom by laurenti, which have 160mb free ram.( x1 have 32 less ram then HD) and on my hd its only 100 mb(blackstonehedge v6.5) with sense, manila turn off, only resco today items, is there any ultra light rom like laurentis for hd(6.5 or 6.5.x bottom start button, X button closes app.)
3. if is there isnt any rom( i have searched, but might have missed) , can you please cook such a rom.
PS.
was using - Build 23134 - Laurenti v2 (new AKU 5309). from this thread on my x1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=676383
1. not necessarily. less ram usage extends your battery life and has more potential for running apps.
it does affect the speed, when the operating system, for the sake of the example, let's say wm6.5.5 with CHT 2.0, hogs all the ram and cpu power, trying to run a 3d game or watch hi-def video might get annoyingly slow.
but the general speed of the GUI cannot be read from ram or cpu usage alone. when picking a rom you should have a look, where certain packages come from. when a rom mostly consists of leo packages, you will see that it is quite slow, because the leo with 1ghz has much better resources. generally, packs from devices closer to the blackstone, like the rhodium, run slightly faster.
2. so much for the theory. if you don't use any of the built-in home screen extensions, you can pick practically any rom around here. either you go with wm6.1 for more speed, or you pick something newer for more finger-friendliness. in contrast to most other users, you don't need to choose your rom for the manila version. just have a look at the integrated apps, because that can really save you time, setting up the device.
3. there are several ultra-light roms:
- one would be a stock rom, it comes with almost no integrated apps and you'd only need to disable touchflo and you're good to go.
- there is also raving rom wm6.1, which comes without manila or sense, just a custom home screen and a very little ram footprint.
- in the energy roms thread, at the very bottom, you'll find a titanium rom, which is meant for users of own GUI solutions, like spb mobile shell or you resco home. but i wouldn't exactly call it ultra-light, because it comes with a lot of integrated apps.
p.s. despite my user name and avatar, i am not a rom chef, or any chef for that matter, it is just a parody of one of the most annoying persons in late night infomercials
so unfortunately i can't cook you a custom rom.
Thank you very much for a quick reply,
look like i black stonehendge is best option for me know, really appreciated your detailed answers.
thanks again
Nicely answered Chef_Tony
Thread moved to General forum (where all queries should be asked )