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Lost files on SD card in XDA2

I just did a backup to SD and files are missing (Pix Mp3 etc...) now the only folders are the recycle bin (advanced explorer) Backup file 20Mb and "ignore mydocs" which is 0kb. The properties still says the space is taken up with stuff on the card but i can't get at the files. Any ideas or do i have to format the card.
I know SD card erasures has been thread before but I didn't know if the XDA2 problem was new. I'm using windows default theme, no-name 256Mb SD card.
Thanks

This is the first that hear about lost SD files on the XDAII. This has been bothering me a lot on XDA1 and WM2003 and there is no OS documentation on the Phone Edition of WM2003.
The interesting thing is that you do have some folders remaining in the card. Is the backup functional(Were you able to restore from it?) Most erasures completely erase the card and all the directories therein.
I did some research on the Radio Interface layer and the specific DLL's interaction with the OS. As a continuation to the following:
http://xda-developers.com/RIL/
I feel the problem lies in how the Radio Stack conflicts programatically with how SD cards are recognized by the device. So I wrote a few apps to trace how files are written to the card and when there is a new card ID generated by the device.
The erasures coincide with the new SD card ID in the OS and port/ layer. However, since the RIL and stack are built in and not documented I have not been able to isolate and resolve the problem.
How long have you had this card?
what apps do you have installed in the XDA II?
Has the erasure occurred before?

I've had this happen once and only once after uninstalling some software. I have a "viking 512MB" sd card.
I ejected it then put it back in then pointed the file explorer to it and all was back to normal.

once..
:twisted:
It happened to me once (i had xda 2 now for a month)...
I lost data which has no backups.. since I had this 512MB panasonic on all my Ipaq 3970,5450,550,2210,1910, and 4150 and it never fails ...
Now this xda 2 erased it all ... been 2 weeks now and still holding... but I am backung up my SD now once for while..
- my new problem, if my phone portion hangs, and softreset, I got stuck on O2 blue screen and need to hard reset.. last night it happened again and the pda portion still working , so backed up and hard reset...
I still has the 13Q protocol version, I heard someone fix this problem upgarding to 14 ?

xdaer said:
I just did a backup to SD and files are missing (Pix Mp3 etc...) now the only folders are the recycle bin (advanced explorer) Backup file 20Mb and "ignore mydocs" which is 0kb. The properties still says the space is taken up with stuff on the card but i can't get at the files. Any ideas or do i have to format the card.
I know SD card erasures has been thread before but I didn't know if the XDA2 problem was new. I'm using windows default theme, no-name 256Mb SD card.
Thanks
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I suggest if you can place the card in a Laptop or PC and run Scandisk.
There may even be a Pocket PC program that can do the same thing so you might try doing a web search for one.
Flash Format comes to mind:
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=851
HTH

tried all..
:x
I tried all in my laptop, even Norton etc... really nothing left !!
I had the PCMCIA adpter for MS/SD/MMC/Smartmedia..

the FILES ARE there!!
Hi all, please be carefull the files are not ERASED they are there but somehow hidden!!! :!: :?: :!: , it happened to me on my Sandisk 256MB and after a week, things went back to normal and i had all my files accessable, i copied them to my PC and now after a month , the files disapeared again on my SD Card but if you check the CARD you can see that some files are taking space which mean again they are there but not accessable.

a week ??
I dont think I can last a week to wait until my sd files come up again ...
DO you have any quick fix on this issue like rewriting the FAT thru norton or other SW ?
I had checked with my laptop last time and my files really disappeared..

HI
the files are there on the card and they are hidden. They appear to be broken up into 12k chunks... is there any way to recover them?? I'm using a no name 256k sd card and the problem occured after doing a full back up. Incidentally the recovery file is faulty and will no work. I'm not too bothered but i lost loads of photos....
thanks

Very strange,can't delete or add any file on my xda II

Strange indeed, I can't delete or add any file, when I try to do so, the small circle shows up to show that the pocket pc is working, then nothing happing it keeps going round till it blocks. I had this problem before and I solved it with a hard rest. I don't have the intention to hard reset again. Anyboby had this weird problem??

I might add that i can delete the files on my computer through activesync with no problem. I have O2 German upgraded to the T-mobile 1.60 english.. so any clues whatsoever???

What software do you have installed, I would be inclined to do a backup then hard reset, then when reinstalling software check if the problem occurs after each installation of your programs, this might pin it down to a program that is locking all files for some reason.

It seems that it happens randomly, cuz when I made a backup I didn't had this problem.Then when the problem occured I restored but the problem remailned. I have a lot of programs installed I wans doubting Microsoft voice command but the problem remailned after uninstalling it other programs(metro,tomtom 2,finger clix,fullscreen keyboard,sms writer,xcpuscalar,pocketMVP) any of these programs is known to force this problem. Thanks

I don't know that any of these programs by themselves are known to cause this behavior - but sometimes combinations of programs, glitches during installations, or any of a dozen other things can cause abnormal behavior.
I would agree with cruisin-thru . . . the only way to be sure if it is one of the programs you have installed, and if so which, is to do a hard-reset and install the programs one-at-a-time, giving some time for testing between installations.

Same problem here
Yep - I have had and currently have the same problem.
Uninstalling programs does not help, only a hard reset and then reinstall one by one testing as you go.
I have done a hard reset in the past, but never built it back up to the same spec, so have not pin pointed an app (if it is an app)
It may help if you compare to my install list ??
Let me know how it goes,
Ian
Adode Acrobat Reader 1.0
Astraware Bejeweled
Astraware Bookworm
Belkin WPDAK
Boma Software Reversi Game for Po...
Fonix UK Roger (2 MB)
Fonix VoiceDial 1.2 EN
Macromedia Flash Player ActiveX
Microsoft Money for Pocket PC
MTUX RingToneX
Pocket Bluetooth Tools
PocketMac_CEWindows.Net RegKin...
Realnetworks RealOne Player
SanDisk Wi-Fi SD Card for WinCE 4.00
SBSH.net Birth2Day
SBSH.net Calendar Plus Proffessional
SBSH.net iLauncher
ScaryBear Software Check Notificati...
Smartphone4u Extended ROM Switc...
I have also had, but removed now:
mov Software imov Messenger(tm)

>Strange indeed, I can't delete or add any file, when I try to do so, the >small circle shows up to show that the pocket pc is working, then >nothing happing it keeps going round till it blocks. I had this problem >before and I solved it with a hard rest. I don't have the intention to hard >reset again. Anyboby had this weird problem??[/quote]
I think that there is a bug which appear only when you use the SD card slot.
I've the same strange randomic problem, the workaround is:
- Remove SD Card
- Softreset
- Reinsert SD Card
At least, you don't need hard reset anymore

I think that there is a bug which appear only when you use the SD card slot.
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All I can say about that is that I use SD cards extensively, and I have never experienced the behavior that whafni77 describes. It could be . . . but I'm skeptical.

Maddoc ur the man, it really resolved the problem and u made me feel small not having thinked of that. For the rocord the only program in common with InaF is Pocket Bluetooth Tools, don't know if it has something to do with it. Thanks guys

Well what do you know!!!
Well Maddoc, this just goes to prove you learn something new every day!
o I tried to delete a file in File Explorer - it hung
o I killed off File Explorer from the running program list - probably not required, but just to prove the file had really been deleted
o I ejected my SD card - a very cheaply made one
o Soft Reset
o Tried to delete another file - and it worked !!
o Inserted the SD card
o Tried to delete another file - and it worked !!
I'm very happy, and the confusion as to why it is acting like this will soon disappear.
Thanks again!

That's the good part, the bad one is that you have to pull out the SD card every single time you do a soft reset, but I'm satisfied with that until someone knows what the heck is going on.

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I think that there is a bug which appear only when you use the SD card slot.
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All I can say about that is that I use SD cards extensively, and I have never experienced the behavior that whafni77 describes. It could be . . . but I'm skeptical.
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Just to add some extra informations...
In my office there are 2 qtek2020 users, me and another friend.
The only differences between devices is that i use SD cards regulary and only my device is having this kind of problem, the frequency of this problem arises when i use TOMTOM navigator and the maps are stored in SD card.
The results are the same with my 256mb sandisk and 128mb pretec.
Seems that at some point the QTEK2020( and i think also mda/imate etc... ) is unable to "receive" file change notifications( or something like that ) and the results are:
1) You can't delete file with "file explorer"( hourglass loop )
2) If you write a new note and save it, you can't even see the note on the list !!!
3) If you install another application, the program group/start menu is not updated !!!
BTW i've just reformatted my 256mb sd card with flashformat two days ago, no problem for the moment but i'm not using navigator now...
Thanks to all

I stand corrected! Partially anyway . . . :wink:
Since I do not use TomTom Navigator (or any other GPS software for that matter) it is conceivable that the software is corrupting the FAT on the SD card.
Have you tried using StorageTools (or other similar software) to scan (automatically fix all errors) and defrag the SD card to see if it has any effect?

Well I formatted the SD card(pdc 256) with storage tool and fixed all errors(tried fat32&16) but the problem still there. The thing remains to try is to uninstall TomTom2 along with the Gps software to see if it solves. :?:

A key point here is that even uninstalling might not solve the problem. It is a sad fact that many times when you uninstall a program, both on PCs and PPCs, it is not uncommon for registry entries to be left behind, unnecessary .dlls and other files to remain, and some files that were overwritten by newer (or older) versions to remain as well. This is why several of us have stressed hard-resetting the device . . . it is the ONLY way to be sure you are starting from a known platform.

SD problems
I've only seen these type of problems if I haven't first formatted the card in the target device first.

Well finally the problem resolved. I should say the hint that mrg2003 gave is really the solution,in other words you should not format the card from the device but rather from the card reader(fat and not fat32) and bingo no more blocks. I should say this forum is great. Cheerz :lol:

Re: SD problems
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I've only seen these type of problems if I haven't first formatted the card in the target device first.
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I confirm, i formatted my sd with flash format... No problems at all now !!!!

I really don't understand this perfectly right! I have an SD Card and the same problem as all of you state.
What do I have to do? I use the Qtek 2020...
Thanx in advance.

Still have a problem and can someone help me with it!
I formatted the sd card with a lot of tools through the Qtek, like storagetools and flash format.
Afterwards I tried to format through windows format tool!!
But none of them worked and still have the problem of the hourglass..... Can somebody help me? I have a Sandisk 256 MB Ultra II.
Thanx in advance

SD card free memory incorrect

I have a 256Mb SD card that suddenly reported itself as having only 40Mb free when the total of stored files was only 16Mb.
I had to reformat to reclaim the lost space.
Has anyone else experienced this with SD cards and, if so, what it the likely cause?

well file explore dont really display hiddenfiles so the card could have all kinds of those
other file managers like total commander display all files

hi. I don't have XDA 2 but I think it happen to most most ppc 2003 OS because you are install some software that do not fully support or not support wm 2003. ( it happen to me on h5555, h5400,e405) So you need to hard reset a few times.

Sd problems continued....
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Well i have a similar problem, but could solve it with a soft reset.
Now i have another problem..... I dont know how, but my card is.... i dont know how to explain. let me start from the beginning.
When i got my SPV M1000, i also got a new SanDisc SD 256 MB.
I installed cuple o programs :
PHM ( Pocket Hack Master ) main memory
Pocket Mechanic Main Memory
Stuntman Evolution Sd Card
Crazy Cart Sd Card
just to give you some exaples.
I then copyed the exe files and a X back up on my card. to have them with me if needed.
After biing happy for a half week ( experimenting with PHM and Pocket Mechanic) and a lot of playing with my device, all of a sudden, my SD card was wiped out!!!
It was all gone!!!!!
I tryed to repair/reformat/restor with pocketmechanic but nothing.
Everythin was simply not there anymore ( im talkin about 30 meg of data!!!
Active sync tells me " unavailiable " when i try to install to the SD card, and when i chose to do it anyway.... it works.
Files get istalled just fine on my card.
Now for the interessting part.
Crazy Cart just stopped working!!!
" Cannot find "crazycart" or one of its components.
Make sure the path and filename are correct and all the required libraries are availiable"
is the text i get when i try to start it.
Its happenig again...... its starting to ,lose files??
has anybody expirienced the same or similar ?
is my card broken eaven though POCKETMECHANIC TELLS ME ALL IS FINE?
Any help would be coooooooool
thanx
peace

tomtom and navigator erased off of mini

Well let me just say this site is really fab! I have learnt so much from viewing on here.. thatnks
Being the absolute plonker I am , I did a hard set , taking my sd card out, thinking that would save my tomtom and sat nav but alas it has gone! the maps and files are still all on my card. BUt on the mini it has gone. is there any apps that will make it work again?

well just to catch u up to speed..... upon reflection.. when I look on the sd card all the stuff is still there. app, maps, license, ...... it is just not in the program list on my mini.. how can I get it back to there?thanks

qhen u first installed it, did u install to ur sd card, or to ur phone? If u installed to ur phone, then u cant get it back, if u installed to ur sd, den maybe only da shortcut is missing. Try opening the tomtom file somewhere in ur sd (most likely a file ending in .exe), and maybe it'll work.

when I first installed it i did so to the sd card. I have tried the app in the sd storage and it starts then shuts down. I must have erased a link to it from the phone.. or a driver..
at least I know it is still there. just need to figure out how to get the program into the phone somehow.. any suggestions?

Not dealt with TomTom, but as you have maps and license already, maybe this thread will help.
Backup your card as it is and then follow this thread. I know its for a different phone but the base WM is the same.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=338469

the app itself is erased, no matter whereto you install it, some files are always written to your internal memory (to the windows directory). so you have to reinstall the app again!!!! just run the cabfile in folder 2577 again

Yep! that will do. (unless you have deleted it cause it bugged you everytime you reset your phone) DOH! Smiles.

I have done it!!!
i went into the 2577 on my card and reinstalled the cab to the device..
fab!!
I love it when things go right.. that and I am a stubborn ass and would have spents endless nights getting it to work... ahhhhhhh.. thanks to you all...xxx

heloo folks. does the tomtom that could be use on the wizard hace realtime navigation, i mean while driving will i see that icon that represents my local moving on the map?

SD card is full or missing when in "Documents" tab

When I'm on "Documents" tab it says - "SD card is full or missing"
Any way around it ?

Come on ... nobody has this problem ?!!!

I had that problem too and I wish I could give you a way to fix it, but I had to perform a hard reset after WMWifiRouter screwed my WiFi up. Your post reminded me about the problem with the documents tab and I just checked it... turns out the hard reset also fixed this issue for me.
I'll let you know if it comes back and we can work out a fix that doesn't involve resetting everything on the phone.

I actually performed hard reset (because of a different issue). Unfortunately it did not fix Documents tab problem

are you using a ram disk at all? that is known to mess with the docs tab.

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are you using a ram disk at all? that is known to mess with the docs tab.
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I do not even know what is RAM disk on HD2. No, I do not use special RAM disk apps and my ROM is US T-Mobile HD2 stock ROM

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I do not even know what is RAM disk on HD2. No, I do not use special RAM disk apps and my ROM is US T-Mobile HD2 stock ROM
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hmm no clue then, sorry. Think if it were me i'd try copy off all the files and folders onto the pc then format the sd card and copy everything back, just to see.

Did you remove the original SD card that came with it? Or, replace it with another one? I know it's in the manual that once you do it, the SD card may not work anymore, or something like that. Maybe that's the cause, I'm just guessing since I don't have this kind of problem.

microSD card came with T-Mobile Hd2 (US version) already inserted. Did not touch it

I have this problem too with my Touch HD.
I can't read my documents. It says: "SD card is full or missing".
Any help. Please...

I've fixed this problem
I had this problem too
I've fixed this problem thus
I backed up all info the storage Card and I made a complete format the storage card complete under windows, after I copied all info into storage card again, and this operation fixed this problem
Dmonium
Excuse :me if my english is so bad

dmonium said:
I backed up all info the storage Card and I made a complete format the storage card complete under windows, after I copied all info into storage card again, and this operation fixed this problem
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Did exactly same thing but it did not fix it for me

Format worked for me, although I'm pretty sure the SD card was fine, and was gonna compare the pre-format files to post-format and see if I accidentally deleted anything that would cause this. Was in a hurry though, and never ended up comparing.
Formatted(full) SD card on PC, then put in phone and formatted there to get the stock files back on. Then copied everything else over (TF movies, and my downloads, etc..). Worked fine after that.

Hi
I had the same problem and quicikly solved this issue:
Go to: \Carte de stockage or Storage card\Application Data\HTC\databases\DocExp
And delete 2 files: postlist.DB & value.DB
It worked for me, hope the same for you

Installing a network plugin caused the issue on mine, when I unistalled it worked again

mdean11 said:
Installing a network plugin caused the issue on mine, when I unistalled it worked again
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mdean, do you happen to have the name or the cab handy, so I can take a peek at it for a possible connection to the cause? Thanks!

I tried 3 different ones, all caused the problem - generic network plugin, htc network plugin, and schnaps network plugin

SD Card is full or Missing - SOLVED
1. Delete the folder - Storage card\Application Data
2. Tab again the document tab - wait re-loading until finish searching all documents
3. Successful!

thanks dude i was having the same problem, when i enabled shared network folder in touch tool, it stop working but i went back and disabled it and now working again.

Glad you all figured it out... I had this problem 3 weeks ago and immediately after enabling and setting up the network plugin with Touch Tools 1.4. Luckily, I didn't have to look for the cause since the last thing I did was install & use the network plugin!
So, for future reference.........
Also, your facebook pictures in htc album's facebook tab will stop showing up if you manually assign a "CacheSize" value other than 0 to HKLM\System\StorageManager\FATFS.
Be advised!