This is a log taking from the freenode irc channels. b16 explains a bit over the root fiasco involving Jake Day and all others. This should not be a flame thread.
http://pastie.org/986511
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[17:22:11] <b16> alright everyone i have some info about the whole root bs today on alldroid
[17:22:44] <b16> I am b16a2smith (co founder of the new AllDroid)
[17:23:38] <b16> so i am here to pass some word
[17:23:57] <b16> Jake did not post those pics today
[17:24:23] <b16> there was an attempt to take users money by posting a donate link......
[17:24:43] <b16> we dropped it immediately, so thankfully nobody got their hands dirty
[17:24:56] <CaptJager> What about the one at 2:30 am?
[17:25:03] <Phydeaux> i dunno about that
[17:25:08] <b16> this is an outrage, i am here to apologize for something i had no control of
[17:25:18] <Phydeaux> a lot of people got their reputations tarnished
[17:25:19] <b16> there was no donation link
[17:25:30] <phade_> Wow drive home from work and the root thread explodes
[17:25:33] <phade_> What happened?
[17:25:39] <Phydeaux> phade
[17:25:40] <Phydeaux> shh
[17:25:41] <b16> the 2:30 one i think you are talking about hte original announcement
[17:25:44] <Phydeaux> and listen
[17:25:53] <Herver> it prolly was jake. cmon the guy just got a new incredible because he made kernels when he was lying about them the whole time and mislead everyone to think he knew about ro$
[17:26:05] <b16> hereo please stop
[17:26:16] <phade_> I see it's still being debated..lol
[17:26:37] <b16> it was not him, we have info on who it was, i have passed the IP to a few friends and other sites admins
[17:26:40] <Phydeaux> i don't believe it was jake
[17:26:46] <Phydeaux> right
[17:26:50] <Herver> might not be
[17:26:53] <b16> so soon we will find out who it is
[17:27:05] <Phydeaux> the IP's are different (not that that makes it impossible)
[17:27:17] <b16> i have my idea of who it is but i will be respectful and not point fingers
[17:27:18] <Phydeaux> heh
[17:27:29] <b16> there are 2 ips
[17:27:33] <b16> i know that
[17:27:51] <b16> but if it is who i think it is, they are going to have a bad day
[17:28:01] <b16> legal action will be pressed
[17:28:01] <Phydeaux> ok..
[17:28:03] <Herver> all im saying is that jake said his friend had root. well his friend lied. he said he was making successful kernels when there was no root
[17:28:14] <b16> because to get money from paypal you need a verified account
[17:28:32] <b16> okay hero let me explain something
[17:29:01] <Herver> be my guest
[17:29:24] <b16> Jake has said dont worry about his friend, i was very amazed to see root achieved this morning when i woke up because.....
[17:29:46] <b16> so i was like whoah man! thats awesome, and he didnt respond
[17:29:50] <b16> he was sleeping
[17:30:06] <b16> because just the night before he was amking great progressm...........
[17:30:15] <Phydeaux> so we know the story is fake
[17:30:31] <phade_> Do we though?
[17:30:36] <b16> so when he woke up, we got together with scoob, and started doing research
[17:30:40] <Phydeaux> what we don't know is how close the real jake is to getting root, if he's close at all
[17:30:52] <Herver> be quiet and let b16 talk
[17:30:56] <b16> thats when we figured out what to do with the situation
[17:31:14] <b16> so what i chose to do is go public immediately
[17:31:21] <b16> this is bull****
[17:31:38] <b16> i am outraged, i am sooooo sorry for this, even though i cant control everything
[17:31:48] <b16> i feel like a piece of ****
[17:31:52] <Herver> so what ur explaining was that it is a hoax. we knew that
[17:32:00] <Herver> its not ur fault for having belief
[17:32:08] <b16> i know just listen please
[17:32:26] <Herver> ur still going?
[17:32:38] <CaptJager> NO TALKING!!!
[17:32:43] <b16> so jake will be addressing it tonight, he has some work left to do, he is very intelligent, he has a family
[17:32:51] <b16> so that has to be understood
[17:33:00] <b16> i am a family man and in the marines
[17:33:04] <b16> so i understand
[17:33:09] <b16> so that being said
[17:33:45] <b16> jake is still working on it, he does have kernels built they just were not tested, and from what he has shown me, which is incomplete........
[17:34:26] <b16> he has made progress, and acidbath can attest to that, Everybody I am sorry I did not know this would happen, i just admin a site that i cared for enough to help bring back.......$
[17:34:45] <b16> he will be making an announce ment on 9x6 and....
[17:35:05] <b16> letting everyone know whats going on. the last thing i have to say is...........
[17:36:02] <b16> Please stop the flaming, its hurting this community, I have tried hard to be respectable, today is my day, (mem day) i am here to cool the waters, please give the REAL jake a chan$
[17:36:31] <Phydeaux> thx for the clarification
[17:36:33] <CaptJager> b16 please make a post on your site so we can actually know that this is you.. that is when it gets back up and pm
[17:36:35] <xdarkfirex> Thanks b16 for relaying the info. There are so many young ones here that have no idea the hard work that goes into these things.
[17:36:52] <b16> what he has to offer, I think after the tarnished image he unrighteously got today, he deserves a chance, and if you can please have respect for others on the forums.
[17:36:55] <phade_> Thanks for the information
[17:37:17] <b16> Thanks guys, [email protected] if you want to verify
[17:37:19] <binny> It's him
droidincredilbe
17:39 < b16_> ok
17:40 < b16_> Hi everyone, my name is stev I am cofounder of Alldroid.org and i am here to explain the conundrum of today....
17:40 < b16_> steve*
17:40 < b16_> Jake did not post the pic either
17:41 < b16_> jake was asleep all day from working on the inc root last night, he made a lot of headway too, i can vouch, on top of that we didn't know what to do until.....
17:42 < b16_> i got a hold of everyone, this is an outrage, so i am here to open up and tell whats going on
17:43 < b16_> Jake didn't post it, the phone is not rooted , but damn close, acid can confirm the validity, please realize this has made jake look really bad, he has also stated he does NOT want
donations,.......
17:43 < b16_> reason being, that is not his MO.......
17:43 < b16_> he wants to do it for the community
17:43 < b16_> and that is why im here
17:44 < b16_> I am not a developer, i am an avid user who serves in the Marines,
17:46 <+b16_> Jake is very disgruntled, so am I I got on twitter and blew it up, i had to erase all tweets, its so embarrassing, i cant tell you all how sorry i am, ...........
17:47 <+b16_> please give Jake a chance, I represent him, until he shows me otherwise i support all devs, i buy phone for them, im just saying, the flaming needs to stop, we are supposed to be
adults......
17:49 <+b16_> Just know I am sorry. Please take this sincerely, if anyone has any questions or wants to help, I will give you any help i can provide, I will be making a thread on alldroid in the
discussions thread, and i would appreciate to see any body come by and tell me what you think or how you feel...........
17:50 <+b16_> This is my last piece, please do what you can guys to keep this community real, it would be much appreciated. I love android and I want to see the kiddies on the grown uo sites grow
up or leave.......
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Thanks for the openness b16.
I personally think Jake (the "real" one) is an IDIOT for not clarifying on his own blog that he didn't post the picture. He makes a statement about it, but doesn't do what he SHOULD HAVE DONE to put an end to these shenanigans a lot sooner... Makes no sense. Why would you not clear up the confusion Jake when you had a chance??
Please no bad talk here, mistakes happen.
its called damage control. he got the incredible, on the pretense when he did discover root, he would post it on alldroid. he had to consult with b16 first to make sure not to make the site look stupid.
this is not anyone but the troll's doing.
b16a2smith said:
Please no bad talk here, mistakes happen.
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Still hoping he gets root.
Having said that....
He claimed (or implied depending on how you want to look at it) that he/his friend had root.
At best, it was foolish for him to make such public comments without any technical data or other means of verification to back it up other than 'his friend's' word (the friend who many of us aren't even really sure exists).
At worst, he lied.
seanmcd72 said:
I personally think Jake (the "real" one) is an IDIOT for not clarifying on his own blog that he didn't post the picture. He makes a statement about it, but doesn't do what he SHOULD HAVE DONE to put an end to these shenanigans a lot sooner... Makes no sense. Why would you not clear up the confusion Jake when you had a chance??
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This has been discussed for many pages on many forums. Give it a rest. This is not the thread to post on. Just relaying info posted on irc to clear up questions and confusion.
b16a2smith said:
Please no bad talk here, mistakes happen.
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super #epicfail "close thread"
Re: B16 Owner of Alldroid.org Responds to Incredible Root
Give the guy a break. Has nobody ever said "my buddy told me..." to someone else and then find out it wasn't true? That's all that happened. Plus, IT'S A PHONE. It's not some device that's going to stop war or anything after it's rooted. I think everybody should stay of all the sites they normally go to for info for a couple days and see what's new when they come back. That is all.
Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk
The real blame here lies with HTC, or with the carriers, or both.
This is all ridiculous. We should have had root in the first place.
Let's move on. We're all very disappointed, but tomorrow is another day.
Let's learn from this and work TOGETHER to achieve the goal.
I call big a$$ bull crap!!! How did fake Jake have access to real Jake's blog? Second, this is just all a make up story to get them out somewhat nicer out of this whole $hit hole they got themselves into...and all the lies... Plus image said "Alldroid is first" and so did alldroid site....this is just another lie that's been added to their reputation. Way to go to bring traffic....
Now that I vented, "REAL" developers, please keep on working on mastering the root. We have hope in you....Paul, Cyanogen, Koush, binny, acid and many more that I missed.
I deleted the comment to prevent drama. Me and Tats understand each other.
b16a2smith said:
Please get some help. For if you procreate your child might spell with numbers.
Get your facts correct son, you have school tomorrow. Go spread drama elsewhere, you are not helping.
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Wrong x2....
1.... I am probably older than you.... and
2.... I am a female... so you better have some respect there son....
All facts I stated are facts and I wouldnt speak if I was clueless.
It would be more manly and honorable for those involved, to admit the mistake, apologize and go on with life....and keep working on root. Of course its easiest to start finding fake Jakes and so on.
I mean no harm, but agree that this was a slap to many.
Look, you do need to understand from my point of view, I am sick of the crybabies just not knowingly, in a comatose manner, yelling F Jak.... Frankly I don't give a sh** about some 13 year old. But as a service member, I learn to deal with kids. I just wish they would let the grown ups talk. And no disrespect, but what age group do you expect me to think you are in spelling like that?
Food for thought.
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Wrong x2....
1.... I am probably older than you.... and
2.... I am a female... so you better have some respect there son....
All facts I stated are facts and I wouldnt speak if I was clueless.
It would be more manly and honorable for those involved, to admit the mistake, apologize and go on with life....and keep working on root. Of course its easiest to start finding fake Jakes and so on.
I mean no harm, but agree that this was a slap to many.
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Look, you do need to understand from my point of view, I am sick of the crybabies just not knowingly, in a comatose manner, yelling F Jak.... Frankly I don't give a sh** about some 13 year old. But as a service member, I learn to deal with kids. I just wish they would let the grown ups talk. And no disrespect, but what age group do you expect me to think you are in spelling like that?
Food for thought.
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I spelled like that due to respect to site...just trying to avoid the real words....and hold back the strength of my true feelings. If you have been aside from all this, I apologize.... I hope those involved learned a good lesson.
@tats_06,
if your an adult like you claim then it is time to start acting like it. Your language is against forum rules. Personal attacks are against forum rules. I would imagine that if you keep up like you are then a ban might be coming your way.
blazingwolf said:
@tats_06,
if your an adult like you claim then it is time to start acting like it. Your language is against forum rules. Personal attacks are against forum rules. I would imagine that if you keep up like you are then a ban might be coming your way.
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Where did you see a personal attack?
@ tats_06...at least act like a lady
bilbobrian said:
@ tats_06...at least act like a lady
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Hey now...
Lady been hurt
Lady loves her Mr. Incredible
...but life goes on.
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He is obviously mentally challenged and just filling the board up with his drivel.
Get rid of him.
Either ban him, or what also would probably work is that we just ignore him. Hopefully he will get bored and annoy someone else.
Post his IP and the matter will soon be sorted :twisted:
Totally Agree
The man is just littering an outstanding forum and insulting some of the top minds we have working on projects here
here here
Anyone who posts things as offensive and ignorant as he has done deserves banning, good call!
Is it a coincidence that all 6 of the above messages were posted by Brits? I do not condone v4victory's attitude or language but this coordinated counter-attack smells a bit racist, although for the life of me I can't understand where he's from.
nmonger said:
Either ban him, or what also would probably work is that we just ignore him. Hopefully he will get bored and annoy someone else.
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It will NEVER happen. I've been thru lots and lots of sites like this and they all have two things in common: There's always some retard who posts crap like this because he/she is staved for attention and there's always at least one idiot who just has to reply. And so it goes.
arisg said:
Is it a coincidence that all 6 of the above messages were posted by Brits? I do not condone v4victory's attitude or language but this coordinated counter-attack smells a bit racist, although for the life of me I can't understand where he's from.
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Dont get paranoid. V4Victory is a flamer without a life. We all just recognise it.
@ arisg - racist?? er no. Just think that using profanic swearwords like he has been doing...and to quote "you english C*NTS" is totally out of order and uncalled for. Its what you expect from a school playground.
But then by posting this message he is getting the attention he wants...so I think the only option is to ban his ID / email from this site.
arisg said:
Is it a coincidence that all 6 of the above messages were posted by Brits? I do not condone v4victory's attitude or language but this coordinated counter-attack smells a bit racist, although for the life of me I can't understand where he's from.
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I would seriously hope that the fact that all 6 of the people who agreed with the original poster are British is a coincidence, and think its a bit sad that someone would assume that this is a "coordinated counter attack" just because we take offence at the way v4victory has posted such rubbish. I don't get why you would think that we were being racist? If anything my assumption was that the guy WAS British (or is that being racist?!). Anyway, the best way is probably to ignore idiots like him as someone has already said, I just couldn't resist agreeing with other people who don't like to see racist comments on this excellent forum.
indeed, i thought there was a phone we all talked on about in these parts
Please just post his IP......
Would have posted this sooner but could not get on the site.
Right, arisg, you can stop that rubbish right now.
Do NOT turn my thread about a sad, abusive time wasting poster into some misguided rant about race, creed or colour.
Race has nothing to do with it and it is people like you who wish to turn something simple into a politicaly correct torch burning exercise that detract from the true meaning.
arisg said:
Is it a coincidence that all 6 of the above messages were posted by Brits? I do not condone v4victory's attitude or language but this coordinated counter-attack smells a bit racist, although for the life of me I can't understand where he's from.
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I second some kind of ban / restriction...
As for Brits posting.... probably because of the time of day.... plus for some reason I have seen this on a US forum when there was a prob. I think its the Brit Stiff Upper lip thing of speaking out we see injustice.... well thats what Bush told us to say
Terran
Is it a coincidence that all 6 of the above messages were posted by Brits? I do not condone v4victory's attitude or language but this coordinated counter-attack smells a bit racist, although for the life of me I can't understand where he's from.
arisg said:
Is it a coincidence that all 6 of the above messages were posted by Brits? I do not condone v4victory's attitude or language but this coordinated counter-attack smells a bit racist, although for the life of me I can't understand where he's from.
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Terran
Arisg,
You cannot possibly be serious about an "organized counter attack". Have you even read the things this guy has posted? These guys are just expressing their opinions (they all just happen to have a Brittish service provider, and/or be Brittish). I am from Argentina (currently living in the States), and I feel exactly the same way about v4victory than any of these guys. Plus, if you look at the forums that feature this guy, people are from all over the place and they are all against him.
With all due respect, I believe your comment was out of place.
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Arisg,
You cannot possibly be serious about an "organized counter attack". Have you even read the things this guy has posted? These guys are just expressing their opinions (they all just happen to have a Brittish service provider, and/or be Brittish). I am from Argentina (currently living in the States), and I feel exactly the same way about v4victory than any of these guys. Plus, if you look at the forums that feature this guy, people are from all over the place and they are all against him.
With all due respect, I believe your comment was out of place.
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Well done mate i agree its never been about race its about a prick called V4Victory which btw is the name of a old english war firm right?
Nah, he's not, he has a post at modoco. Apperently he is from Sri Lanka, and there is even a post with a email address for him.
Just a tidbit of interest here concerning the koolaid that Sprint employees are trying to push. The Sprint employee "mykey" on Sprints Community Forums has all but called the knowledgable and hard working devs here liars concerning the CDMA kernal. Some of you might at least get a laugh out of it! A Sprint idiot at his best! community.sprint.com/baw/thread/25921?start=15&tstart=0&reqsorting=dec
wow thats epic.
ignorance is bliss, "I'm an employee, I know better than anyone else because I have the 'inside scoop'." Except for the slight detail that he's completely wrong about the source code being released, in a sense is is released, but only partially as it is lacking the cdma specific portions.
Edit: He really is cocky and ignorant. Oh well, not worth my time arguing on the internets with a douche-nozzle like that.
That guy is an absolute clown. I'm sure he knows he's wrong by now, but won't be admitting it or apologizing to the folks in that thread.
Being an employee means nothing when it comes to information. I myself am a sprint employee. Sadly many of our customers have more information than what we are privvied. We are usually made aware of upcoming changes about 1 to 2 weeks before they actually go into effect, and most of which has already been leaked or confirmed online prior to it ever hitting us.
edit :found it
this guy is just a douchebag that is probably a "technition at a sprint store so he thinks that he is just the man.
I will be the first to admit that I had some reservations about following advice on this forum. However when I had a problem with my hero (see this thread) I spent an hour on the phone with sprints "advanced tech support" and they couldnt figure it out. I put the thread up and 40 minutes later the first post that replied nailed the problem right off the bat.
I learned my lesson, post here first and then if no one here can help, might as well get a new phone.
wtphoto said:
this guy is just a douchebag that is probably a "technition at a sprint store so he thinks that he is just the man.
I will be the first to admit that I had some reservations about following advice on this forum. However when I had a problem with my hero (see this thread) I spent an hour on the phone with sprints "advanced tech support" and they couldnt figure it out. I put the thread up and 40 minutes later the first post that replied nailed the problem right off the bat.
I learned my lesson, post here first and then if no one here can help, might as well get a new phone.
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Yeah, that's pretty much how I work with everything now, not just phones. I'm tired of speaking to (no offense)people in countries such as India that I can barely understand, and to top off the matter, don't really no what I'm talking about.
It looks like they don't want us posting on the subject anymore:
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Sorry folks - this thread has generated more than enough abuse reports for personal attacks and more.
I'm closing the thread.
If you chose to take the GPL issue up again, please keep your posts professional, courteous and if you work for Sprint remember that you are representing the company when you post - even off hours.
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I wasn't abusive...much.
make a new thread and continue it on lol
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It looks like they don't want us posting on the subject anymore:
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Sorry folks - this thread has generated more than enough abuse reports for personal attacks and more.
I'm closing the thread.
If you chose to take the GPL issue up again, please keep your posts professional, courteous and if you work for Sprint remember that you are representing the company when you post - even off hours.
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I wasn't abusive...much.
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he he. I outright cursed the bastard out. It pisses me off when the devs work their asses off on this **** because a company refuses to give us what we have a right to have and then some smart ass says they dont know anything. Ooh it pisses me off.
lol deep breaths chuck anybody with a brain knows that that guy was full of it.
good read...just wanted sound smart and got shot down...
Wow... Educated much?
As an employee, I can honestly say, even during some of my calls, I refer to this forum for answers. xda for android and ppcgeeks for winmo is pretty much biblical when it comes for hard facts, knowledge, and know how. I just had to say that. I don't post much, but I've been able to a lot of tough questions based on the answers found here.
I can't stand Sprint's forums. They are about as fair and balanced as Fox news.
notrock said:
I can't stand Sprint's forums. They are about as fair and balanced as Fox news.
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hey now some of us like Fox News lol. anyway yeah sprints forums are full of reps that feed miss-information and general stupidity
obelisk79 said:
ignorance is bliss, "I'm an employee, I know better than anyone else because I have the 'inside scoop'." Except for the slight detail that he's completely wrong about the source code being released, in a sense is is released, but only partially as it is lacking the cdma specific portions.
Edit: He really is cocky and ignorant. Oh well, not worth my time arguing on the internets with a douche-nozzle like that.
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LOL douche-nozzle. I'm gunna have to remember that one +)
well not all sprint employees are as fing stupid as him i for one am not this site is my haven f**k sprint.com there i said it! lol stupid freaking mods havent given me my "sprint employee" badge and its been like 7 months so forget them =) XDA!!!!
hey!!!
wait a min!!!
my sis works for sprint!!!!
but she is in the HR department
she comes to me for advice on their phones
she dont think most of there customer service techs know much.
and i come to XDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL douche-nozzle. I'm gunna have to remember that one +)
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douche canoe
What's it customized to do?
thread; the new pm
this ain't twitter
lock this please....
wow I thought this might be relevant to other people's interests. If you don't like the thread don't click on it.
you're not junior mods that get threads locked at your request so gtfo.
LOl Hilarious
akijikan said:
wow I thought this might be relevant to other people's interests. If you don't like the thread don't click on it.
you're not junior mods that get threads locked at your request so gtfo.
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not junior mods, not claiming to be... this isn't YOUR forum as much as it's not mine or anyone elses... and it is EXPECIALLY not your personal pm. If he responded then maybe you can put something of relevence here,
not a topic asking a specific person a specific question :facepalm:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622916
make your own kernel
johnsongrantr said:
not junior mods, not claiming to be... this isn't YOUR forum as much as it's not mine or anyone elses... and it is EXPECIALLY not your personal pm. If he responded then maybe you can put something of relevence here,
not a topic asking a specific person a specific question :facepalm:
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facepalm yourself, there's nothing wrong with asking a specific person a question in a topic. You obviously don't care for the thread and you have nothing to add to it so stop posting in it just to thread crap.
david279 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622916
make your own kernel
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Thanks, I already know how to do that though. This thread was started to ask if kkruse might share with us what he did since it might be useful to incorporate into our own kernels.
akijikan said:
facepalm yourself, there's nothing wrong with asking a specific person a question in a topic. You obviously don't care for the thread and you have nothing to add to it so stop posting in it just to thread crap.
Thanks, I already know how to do that though.
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You're just a damn moron, so I forgive you and I'll break it down like barney... (he's a big purple stuffed dinosaur geared for 5 year olds fyi)
I see the point you would be getting at in this topic, in fact, very interested in what it *could* potentially be about... hence why I clicked on it... but found absolutely nothing of importance inside.
I want my 5 seconds of my life back please.... they add up reading crap like this. And the 5 minutes explaining that to you... I accept visa or mastercard
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You're just a damn moron, so I forgive you and I'll break it down like barney... (he's a big purple stuffed dinosaur geared for 5 year olds fyi)
I see the point you would be getting at in this topic, in fact, very interested in what it *could* potentially be about... hence why I clicked on it... but found absolutely nothing of importance inside.
I want my 5 seconds of my life back please.... they add up reading crap like this. And the 5 minutes explaining that to you... I accept visa or mastercard
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I'm not going to pay the time you wasted trying to bully me into doing things your way. Sorry you choose to see that as moronic.
johnsongrantr said:
You're just a damn moron, so I forgive you and I'll break it down like barney... (he's a big purple stuffed dinosaur geared for 5 year olds fyi)
I see the point you would be getting at in this topic, in fact, very interested in what it *could* potentially be about... hence why I clicked on it... but found absolutely nothing of importance inside.
I want my 5 seconds of my life back please.... they add up reading crap like this. And the 5 minutes explaining that to you... I accept visa or mastercard
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Wow... The pot calling the kettle black... You are just as retarded.. You're arguing like a little *****.. Shut your mouth... Leave the guy alone. If you don't like the thread, forget it exists..
It is not yours, nor anyone else's to say anything.. A forum is made to voice any concerns whatsoever that the users feel necessary... For you to reply as aggressively as you did, doesn't make your forum rep jump up, you actually just end up making yourself look like a bigger **** than we all already think you are...
Every time I see one of your posts, I wish you would just leave the community...
Maybe its below your asshole tolerance level, but he has every right to post whatever he wants. Go troll somewhere else.
Now, back to the original topic OP.....
^ heard that..what rom is this kat running with the kernal darch's 2.1?
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not junior mods, not claiming to be... this isn't YOUR forum as much as it's not mine or anyone elses... and it is EXPECIALLY not your personal pm. If he responded then maybe you can put something of relevence here,
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It's 'ESPECIALLY'. There's no X in that word. Also 'relevance' not 'relevence'. I'm certain I'm missing one or two there, but this was just a quick glance. Since you seem to be all over propriety, I suggest learning to spell before criticizing others.
I like these forums, but GOD I'm getting sick of the self proclaimed topic police around here. The guy asked a legitimate question. There was no reason to jump all over him for it.
LUL
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this is funny
I am not here to agree with johnson's approach to this thread but I have to agree that this thread should not have been created in such forum. PM's are exactly how you communicate with other members and if after PMing said Member, he received info that he felt relevant to the forum, then he should post it. Just starting a thread to ask someone something like that is just a little much.
Loud noises!!!!
I am just tired of threads like this... then people backing up the justification of it being there.... then people going after the ones that get on the ones that post stupid sh*t like this....
I've been reading xda for a very long time and it just goes on and on and on, but this particular handheld seems to attract a butt load of self richous know nothings... and not noobs.. but know nothings... the retard to technical person ratio is just totally f*cked currently, makes me want to go back to hacking winmo phones or something, at least there the idiots let you know they were idiots up front.
and I don't give a big flying f if I can spell or not.. that is the weakest type of argument ever... you obvioulsy know what I'm saying... so I don't really care if you correct me or leave it be, it makes you sound as pompous as you are suggesting I am is all.
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@azyouthinkeyeiz I can be the biggest asshole on the face of the planet if I want... I can care less if you or anyone else likes me or not, a knowledgeable person is a knowledgeable person. My job and/or goal here isn't to make friends, it's to learn and to share knowledge. I can dish out whatever info I see fit however I see fit, you don't like it... tough sh*t
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Loud noises!!!!
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I love lamp.
johnsongrantr said:
I am just tired of threads like this... then people backing up the justification of it being there.... then people going after the ones that get on the ones that post stupid sh*t like this....
I've been reading xda for a very long time and it just goes on and on and on, but this particular handheld seems to attract a butt load of self richous know nothings... and not noobs.. but know nothings... the retard to technical person ratio is just totally f*cked currently, makes me want to go back to hacking winmo phones or something, at least there the idiots let you know they were idiots up front.
and I don't give a big flying f if I can spell or not.. that is the weakest type of argument ever... you obvioulsy know what I'm saying... so I don't really care if you correct me or leave it be, it makes you sound as pompous as you are suggesting I am is all.
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@azyouthinkeyeiz I can be the biggest asshole on the face of the planet if I want... I can care less if you or anyone else likes me or not, a knowledgeable person is a knowledgeable person. My job and/or goal here isn't to make friends, it's to learn and to share knowledge. I can dish out whatever info I see fit however I see fit, you don't like it... tough sh*t
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How ironic that you tried to paint me as the 5 year old in the equation.
I'm here for the same thing, the sharing and development of knowledge surrounding this phone, and this thread as it was started (don't think the same could be said now) met that end in a direct manner.
The only one acting self-righteous though is you.
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The only one acting self-righteous though is you.
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given... but at least I know my sh*t
i apologize to any and everyone whose work i have used without getting your permission first i truely truely am sorry. i will be taking everything down that i have posted on xda that has other's work without them giving me permission to use it. and even once i ask them and they deny permission i will be taking the uploads down after that as well. again i'm sorry
as for everyone's comments about my HUGE MISTAKE I'M SORRY ABOUT....
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I never gave anyone permission to do this. You didn't ask me, you told me after the fact. I was planning on letting guitardoc take over, but this is just unacceptable.
Please take this down.
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i did post a comment on your thread asking you to pm me but you never did and i got impatient and hyped up about things and i just rushed things and posted finished stable builds of your rom without your permission thinking things would be okay if i emphisized 3x on the thread i didn't do anything but finish your rom all credit goes to you for all other work. but again i went about things the wrong way i wasn't trying to take full credit for your rom i thought i made that clear in the first post but i guess saying it 3x still isn't the right way to go about things, glad to see we're working things out (btw everyone check out the title of his thread now ) for the better now bro! so i'd like to say this publicly, SORRY FOR USING YOUR ROM WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION LIQUID! (i wanted to say that on the forum so everyone saw lol ) do you accept my appology liquid? (impaler please ____ , you know what we talked about, after liquid post his reply)
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Uh-oh!
Sent from my Pedal to the Metal Hero
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LiquidSolstice said:
Let's get something straight here, because it seems you're all offended right now. You can stop fishing for pity or sympathy, because I have none for you.
"help" would have been PMing me what you tried to do, I could test it, and if it works, the links would get posted on the ORIGINAL thread with full credit to you. Hell, I would have put a goddamn donate button right next to links to you. That's how proper crediting goes. I credit with permission every single person who has tested or fixed something for me with the ROM, and that would not have been any different.
Instead, without telling me, you copied my thread, put up a modified version of my ROM, and told me only AFTER the fact that you did so.
You have some INSANE issues with understanding permission and crediting, and as I understand it, this isn't your first time. It doesn't matter if you put my name in 72 BOLD pt in this thread, you never asked me and you posted a whole damn new thread for it. That's just not ok.
If you really want to be "omg super-hero dev", you need to start earning your fellow dev's respect, and right now, that's not working out for you.
If you're still interested in being credited for this, PM me with the download links, I'll check them out, and if they are ok, I'll put it in my original 2.1.1 thread with full credit to you. That's how it works.
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i really want to earn my fellow dev's respect but i keep screwing up i'm sorry again bro. and i'm reading the forum rules about crediting as we speak right now.
laie1472 said:
LMAO I gotta post on this. Sup kifno man?? How can you post take down jasonmaloney and i's rom??? When in the op man you don't give him credit for anything. You state you have finished up ls's rom not jasonmaloney and you. And come on kifno you didn't even ask the man could you work on his rom??? Wow impressive.
Yea its me Again With the
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no i asked to take down jasonmaloney's build and my build (two seperate things) b/c we both posted our build's on liquid's thread without his permission.....which was a big no no....but i made things worse by making a seperate thread....again sorry liquid. so there was no need to credit jasonmaloney, laie i know i messed up big time smh stupid move on my part
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Not that it matters much, but his ROMs and jasonmaloney's are separate. jasonmaloney just put his in Liquid's original 2.1.1 thread here.
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exactly what i was saying about taking down our build's....
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At least jasonmaloney did not try to make a brand new thread about it. He would have asked me ahead of time, as a proper dev should.
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again i asked ahead of time on the thread but no reply but i did screw things up worse by making this thread again sorry....
il Duce said:
this is EXACTLY what I was talking about in the NFX rom that you put up as your own, you are officially a KANGAHOLIC, and people have been and should be banned for it. Every thread you posts seems to be less about development and more about popularity, you even say **** like "my rom" which you could only REALLY say if you built it from google source, which you obviously can't do. I sincerely hope liquid reported you to the Scotsman, and appropriate action is taken. you = sick. me = sickened.
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i said in my rom's thread that it was based of nfx rom and i gave him credit, i said what i did. i didn't do what i did with liquid's rom, two completely different things... il Duce ik i screwed up with this rom and again i won't be making any mess ups like this again (me = thinking before my actions from now on xda) sorry
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it's not even as though I would have minded him PMing me first or even do what Jasonmaloney did (posting it as a reply in the original thread )
My rom (I say that very loosely) is based on nfx, but only with full permission from nfinite and on popular request. Even further I credited (with permission ) anyone who helped in testing or debugging, and that is the proper thing to do.
I'm just disappointed. that's the worst of it.
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again my apologies are given to you, do you accept? i know i screwed up big time bro....smh big mistake here
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LS should be out of this and not to be so ofended or asking for any recognition about what someone did when he walked away from his own ROM.He sould thank this guy for finish what he started and never finished after a lot of promess and excuses
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no bro i screwed up...i can't even agree to anything you just said b/c all i wanted to do was help
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oh my god you cannot be serious. smh
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read what i said
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go kifno good work
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good work = yes did i mess up? = HELL YEAH!
FdxRider said:
FORUM RULES12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
Seek permission <---- What part of that do you or kifno not understand?
Doesn't matterr if it's been dormant for long time still LS's work. Follow the forum rules.
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dpeeps74 said:
Oh man, I'm team Jacob!
Wait, wrong drama
~run, run, as fast as you can, can't catch me I'm the gingerbread man~
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lol wow
33hfl said:
I dont know why LS is crying right now when he wallked away from his own ROM after a lot of excuses and promises.he turned his back on his own son.He should thank this man for the woderful job done.Or he forgot his post.Kifno never took credit for what he was doing,he always gave it to LS
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i did give credit to him 3x throughout the post and said all i did was finish it as he planned to but i went about it wrong....
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LMAO u sew funneeeeee! NOT!
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ik that was funny right?
jasonmaloney said:
Again with the hostility.
Folks, there is a report post button on every single post on this site. You would all do better to use it than to fill up the development forum with unnecessary drama.
Yes, it wasn't very smart to use LiquidSolstice's work without his permission AND to start a new thread for it with a misleadingly similar title. But the bickering and harassment isn't any more accepted by the rules, nor is it productive in any constructive way. It doesn't really matter who was originally right or wrong; this forum is getting flooded with way too much verbal diarrhea. This is not the XDA mantra.
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again i apologize for doing what i did to even create this drama....this wouldn't have happened if i did things the correct way....sorry
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What's the big deal?
The man gave LS credit and he said it "I'm just finishing what LS COULDN'T FINISH"
LS, if you don't want people to finish your ROM. Maybe YOU SHOULD TRY FINISHING YOUR ROM..
You left your ROM out there as a bastard child and that bastard child found a father to take care of it.
WHY CRY ABOUT IT?
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no no i went about things wrong i take full responsiblity for my mistake...sorry liquid
LiquidSolstice said:
Excellent contribution. It must be nice, sitting there just using other people's work and never really taking the time to find out how it all comes together. I'm sure you must be spoiled and basically taking all these custom ROMs you get for granted as most people seem to these days. Just a quick look at any tech blog concerning Android, and you'll find comments such as "oh I'm not worried, XDA will figure it out". People freeload off this place so willingly, paying nothing in either donation or even respect/appreciation (which is all most devs are looking for)
In the meantime, we'll just go with this; my rom = my rom. Whether or not I want to finish it, or whether or not I want it to be finished, or in this case, wehther or not I want someone else to do it, that would be my choice. I put in the hours, I put in the time, you did nothing.
I left the ROM because no one seemed to give a damn about it, and I'm finding out increasingly that I was very wrong about that. If you looked at Chef Central on the Main XDA Forum page, you'll find a few threads by me asking for help with the last bit of cooking, which was the kernel. I didn't notice that Kifno figured it out, and only realized what I needed to fo when jasonmaloney PMed me. I said I had every intention of making it stable, and I was indeed working on it.
Which means that it is my task and my right to put up the final update to my own ROM, not have someone else do it without even letting me know beforehand or asking me, and then posting my exact thread over again instead of PMing me the link to add it in the OP, and then telling me after the fact.
Kifno has already got in touch with me and we're working it out, you guys can relax now.
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again we talked things out and i'm sorry bro. and yes i may just be improving others work (the espreeso 2.1 rom i posted) and changing things, i never took full credit actually most of it goes to nfx b/c everyday i wake up he has a pm in my inbox helping me out with the espresso 2.1 rom, it wouldn't be where it is at without his help. only thing i can take full credit for is my build.prop's thats the only thing i actually did from my own work as for the espresso 2.1 rom that was from the help of many other members on this site, i never took full credit for that rom. i use the term my rom, when i refer to the espresso 2.1 rom, b/c i changed it, not b/c i developed it from scratch and did everything to it on my own, i'm not a super-dev yet lol. i'm just improving other's work and learning along the way and giving them credit and asking permission along the way from now on until i know enough to make something of my own again (besides text files lol) that will be of great help to the community....but for now i'm focuses on improving my rom (AGAIN IT ISN'T COMPLETELY MY ROM MANY OTHERS HELPED ME ALONG THE WAY) and helping others with their work for the hero and problems....first person on the list....liquid!!!!!! (we're pming each other now folks working this out for the better so its alright)
kevphan08 said:
So.....can we use the Rom or No.....Just seems like it was a mistake by the OP to reuse LS's unfinished work without permission, that obviously was a mistake, but if the rom is up and running and "stable" can we just not forgive and forget?
I'm just wondering, not taking a stance/side just a user asking a question.
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we're working on things right now...
You know what man, you're a smark kid, you just take things a bit fast.
You'll grow to understand what it means to command respect here, and I'm sure you'll earn it from everyone. This place is bursting with ideas and creativity, but just PM ROM devs in the future. Every ROM dev needs help, there's no denying that. Sometimes the help you have to offer isn't enough or isn't to their preference, but there's never any harm in PMing to find out.
As far as my ROM goes, with your help, we'll finish this up and finally put an end to all this over exaggerated madness.
E huuuuuuuuug
[dpeeps74]
I think we all learned something here (I sure did), and that's a positive.
Kifno:
I understand you're trying to help, but make it short and sweet. We don't need a full passive - aggressive rundown of events.
I think you would do a great service to yourself (and the people reading your long disjointed posts) if you learned to use some basic English language sentence structure. Your lack of punctuation and your paragraphs of run-on sentences makes you look uneducated and immature.
You're not a bad person, so please take this as constructive criticism.
Kifno,Way to walk this world in man's shoes! I have the most profound respect for you. Make a mistake and own up to it
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Kifno,Way to walk this world in man's shoes! I have the most profound respect for you. Make a mistake and own up to it
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I AGREE with FDX.... RESPECT MAN!!
KIFNO, Admitted he was Wrong!!
That's Big in itself!! It's seems these days, People find it SO MUCH EASIER to just LIE, or BULL**** their way through MISTAKES and basically LIFE in general!
Kifno DIDN'T DO THAT! Instead he owned up to his MISTAKES....
"LIKE a MAN" Should do!
After the Fact, at the End of the Day, All that's Left to come to some sort RECONCILIATION is a TRUE from the HEART a APOLOGY!!
*Sent On My*
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"Sprint" Hero... Running My, *ExpressoEnergyHero*ROM, KIFNO's Build.Prop.Tweek, & The XDA.BLUE.apk! "Page:10"of My Thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957867
Hey kifno
Sent from my HTC Hero CDMA using XDA App
U no tjsy myvrnhlo
Sent from my HTC Hero CDMA using XDA App
Wow man great job kifno. It's tough to own up in the face of so many people watching this, you're really just a good person beyond the scope of these forums. I'm proud to call you a fellow human being. I've been watching this escalate and deescalate and I must say it's been a roller coaster ride. I must say some people have been a bit harsher than they should have, but it's understandable when looked at from a different perspective. Kudos to you again.
I'm excited about how the ROM is moving forward at lightning speed right now. Note, LS, that I'm actually using your ROM right now (2.1 stable) and I llllllllooooove it! keep up the good work, I bet it's time-consuming and frustrating to look through and optimize so much code!
~ Jake
Thanks everyone
And I'm not a grammar freak lol I don't treat my post as essays I just type what comes to mind lol that's why my paragraph structure and grammar look bad on the forums just like this very long run on sentence but really constantly working, and school, and keeping 5 roms (mine and ls 4 builds) and my tweak up to date with fixes and new tweaks and optimizations is very time consuming and hard to fit all in one day lol but I just want to help the community and I plan on doing that the right way, LESSON LEARNED HERE, BTW look out for kifno & ls projects in the future
Don't worry about the Grammar police brother. They're pretty tamed here.
Keep up the excellent work! We grow through our mistakes; damn glad you took the initiative. Stay motivated!!!!
Many thanks!!
In the aftermath of all this stuff, I just want to say that truly I appreciate ALL the hard work that you devs put into keeping our Heroes from becoming paperweights. Just the small amount of work I've put into making my own themes for myself makes me appreciate the scope of talent and sheer blood, sweat, and tears it takes to make this stuff work.
ALL YOU DEVS ROCK!!!
oohaylima said:
Don't worry about the Grammar police brother. They're pretty tamed here.
Keep up the excellent work! We grow through our mistakes; damn glad you took the initiative. Stay motivated!!!!
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You forgot a comma between "police" and "brother". You have been warned. The next offence will result in more badgering.
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Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Gingerbread-on-Hero action here!
Lol Ya got me cop'er.
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You forgot a comma between "police" and "brother". You have been warned. The next offence will result in more badgering.
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Lol.... Good **** Guys, Gotta Nice Laugh Outta Me!!
*Sent on My*
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You forgot a comma between "police" and "brother". You have been warned. The next offence will result in more badgering.
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Uh oh better watch out for that Guy glad to see everyone getting along and joking with each other
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Uh oh better watch out for that Guy glad to see everyone getting along and joking with each other
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Lol, I'm Not Really Sure Why?
But, For Some Reason, It Seems like Some of us Rather Stray Away from the Joking Level, to Instead be Uptight and Insulting!????
Especially when the Majority of us (Members) are Mainly Here to Learn, and Share Knowledge that these ****y Phone Companies Don't want us to Know!!
*Sent on My*
Fast as its Ever Been....
"Sprint" Hero.... Running My, *ExpressoEnergyHero* ROM, KIFNO's Build.Prop.Tweek, & The XDA BLUE.apk!! "Page 10" of My Thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957867
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WTMLMK6M
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/profile?user=PMGRANDS
PMGRANDS said:
Lol, I'm Not Really Sure Why?
But, For Some Reason, It Seems like Some of us Rather Stray Away from the Joking Level, to Instead be Uptight and Insulting!????
Especially when the Majority of us (Members) are Mainly Here to Learn, and Share Knowledge that these ****y Phone Companies Don't want us to Know!!
*Sent on My*
Fast as its Ever Been....
"Sprint" Hero.... Running My, *ExpressoEnergyHero* ROM, KIFNO's Build.Prop.Tweek, & The XDA BLUE.apk!! "Page 10" of My Thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957867
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WTMLMK6M
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=US#/profile?user=PMGRANDS
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*LIGHTS AND SIRENS*
Sir, I'm here to confiscate your shift key, and for good measure I'll need your caps lock, too. Capital letters are a privilege, not a right. Don't abuse them.
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*LIGHTS AND SIRENS*
Sir, I'm here to confiscate your shift key, and for good measure I'll need your caps lock, too. Capital letters are a privilege, not a right. Don't abuse them.
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lmao! --> extra characters because my message was too short.
I would like to say sorry for my mindless outbursts.
It was not needed for me to react this way.
I feel that i have made a very bad example of myself, and i hope to correct that.
@stvmook
I apologize for insulting you and for my threats.
I do not however agree "that the semi-brick does not exist"
as i have proven from your own source that is does.
And i am no longer willing to discuss it with you.
At the mods sorry for bothering you and your valuable time.
At anyone i may or might have offended,
I apologize and hope that we can put this behind us and continue in a constructive manner.
Pyscho alert!!!!
No.. i realized what i did.
and i feel bad.
i'm not asking for any sympathy.
I just feel.. bad.
Coocoo coocoo
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
kudos to you omega, it takes balls to appologise in public like that.
let us all move on now ehh
Don't forget the threat you made to me via PM.
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Don't forget the threat you made to me via PM.
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I am truly sorry for that. "hardly remember why now.."
Hope we can swift a beer one day. last one to the bottom must eat the cookie.
I just want to end the fighting.
I'm not sure if people are still, gona hate me after this.
Sometimes i don't act like i should i guess anger brings out the worst in of me.
And i learned that i severely need control it better.
I also didn't represent my self as a friendly South African very well neither.
Lets please let it go.
You seem sincere, and we're all human. All is forgotten. ;-)
oh BTW.. this post..
You are forgetting all SE system apps that legally bound to be protected for the developers, including the CAMERA. SE also has a legal responsibility to protect Apple's patent on Multitouch, which I know there is still argument if it is a hardware issue or a bootloader issue. Nonetheless SE still has a legal responsibility to enforce its agreements with partners made before the device ever hit the market. Period.
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Cleared up alot for me.
Hey man, I'm not in any way insulting you with this post, just trying to offer some constructive thoughts. You are not stupid, but you have made some dumb decisions but hey, so have I. No harm in that as long as you take ownership of the mistakes(which you have). Just remember that there are some people here who have years of experience in the electronics field and we should all try to learn from their experience and not argue with them over what the internet says. Happy trails man!
Sent from my Delorean using a flux capacitor!
Thanx i understand.. i too love many forms of art.. most of them require pc's or my 25-50W soldering iron.
I love the smell of resin core in the morning.
apology accepted, moving forward
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I would like to say sorry for my mindless outbursts.
It was not needed for me to react this way.
I feel that i have made a very bad example of myself, and i hope to correct that.
@stvmook
I apologize for insulting you and for my threats.
I do not however agree "that the semi-brick does not exist"
as i have proven from your own source that is does.
And i am no longer willing to discuss it with you.
At the mods sorry for bothering you and your valuable time.
At anyone i may or might have offended,
I apologize and hope that we can put this behind us and continue in a constructive manner.
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how about @Windst, huh? I think you owe me an apology. A whole thread too to every person's intelligence you insulted, suggesting them as insecure and ignorant. Nice to make a thread too, I think it's better off a signature than a whole thread.
Oh good...we all kissed and made out..! Moving on now..
This thread alone was ment to apologize.. if i had to pm XDA member 1 by 1 in the milions, i would never get anywhere.
Consider this thread my full on apology.
I think i covered that in OP.
At anyone i may or might have offended,
I apologize and hope that we can put this behind us and continue in a constructive manner.
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Buddy.. relax. Now come on guys..
Lets please move on..
More important stuff to do here than my meanderings.
And you must admit.. that i was right about parts of Semi-brick debate.
And no one made that easy.
Errare humanum est!
Obrigado
Like i said.. it's something that will bother me for a long time.
The comments/pm's directed at me may be painfull,
but it will never be as bad as what my own mind will do to me.
I'm glad that XDA is full of intelligent caring people.
Sure life has it's hurt, it's how we move on.
gd step from u dude..like it alot
from now do ur best to help others and you will feel good
Just don't go shooting random people at a public school and everything will be just fine.
Devtone said:
Just don't go shooting random people at a public school and everything will be just fine.
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lmao, not funny tough