- turn off 3G
phone screen > ##778 > "000000" > modem settings >
preferred mode- should be on auto as default, switch it to cdma only
menu > commit settings > (auto reboots)
poof 1x only mode!!!
(much slower data speed but much smaller data authentaction overhead - hence less power usage, good for low signal or good signal with fringe 3g coverage)
also be careful what you change in the settings, one of the modes will give you data only and no voice call(+sms) ability
- also "rev A." enable/disable has no reason to be off unless your network engineer so leave it on, turning it off will just limit you to evdo(3g) rev.0 vs allow both rev.A and rev.0
- dont clear your MRU, if you do you will need to hit a native verizon tower to get data to work
- preferred serving system - home/auto A/auto B
B is default and works best in roughly 90% areas, auto A looks at same preferred list but starts in reverse order before goign to none preferred towers, sometimes phones gets confused between two preferred towers and grabs one with lower signal or just switched to much, occasional it might help to tell the phone to start searching for ID's in reverse order, this is little over simplified and prl's contain signal frequencies as well which is more of what a/b switch will look to, but thats the way i like to explain it so tough cookie
also if your ambitious and your phone keeps jumping between good 3g signal and tower with poor coverage or data, you could grab the sID's of the tower with good connection and put phone in home only mode and alter the nam settings home sid to match that, also your allowed to enter more than one sid in the settings if you wanted to build a mini prl list of sorts
warning:-altering home sid will give roam indicator false info and roaming will still be network side regardless of what miss programed phone shows
also if you put prl files on root of sd card you can also update prl from a file
Prove the lower power usage.
Lino. said:
Prove the lower power usage.
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i'll skip how signal strength effects radios power output and B band penetrates buildings better in general and alot of boring electromagnetic theory
i'm guessing your referring to the 1x mode vs 3g/1x mode(3g/2g), if its not let me know
it was my assumption that it is general knowledge and accepted that evdo has alot higher power usage just maintaining network authentication with no data transfered for user purposes, it takes longer to acquire a 3g aka EV signal signal when booting phone or when its recovering from lost signal, the network packet overhead is larger between the phone and the cell tower, just like analog or cable modem has MTU that is basically the available space - used for network = info space, now imagine you had OCD and had to call your VM once ever min to make sure it didn't get deleted or someone change your password to check your messages, now say 1x would be listening just to make sure the greeting starts for maybe 10 seconds and your 3g would listen to say 30 seconds of the greeting before being satisfied the vm hasn't been lost or hacked, obviously the person broadcasting an open cell channel for less time will be able to use phone longer without charging, now these are made up numbers for illustration purposes and the authentication process takes fraction of a second, but it is done continuously over and over as long as the 3G icon is showing on the top of the phone
now actions speak louder than words and i would be more than happy to make some real world test to give you hard evidence and if this is what you want then you will have to wait because i'm changing alot of the apps on my phone and my usages is not consistent enough for test atm but i'll happily make one if you wait for my usage to settle down, now if someone wants to send me second htc incredible i'd happily make time dilated web video and post it to youtube so everyone can see first hand evidence of power difference
now if you are impatient and want proof right this second without a propper test conducted i can refer you to google but on more serious note the EVDO effect on moto razor is well know and modes have been done to edit, also the battery life of the v3a and v3m are very different, the largest difference in these two razors is one is evdo capable and the other is not, also cases have been documented of v3m users having less than half the battery life they had before after the EV icon starts showing up on the screen related directly to cell tower upgrade in the area they use the phone
now i know this is alot of nothing about the razor but it was very common phone, i have altered the data on lg wave, glimmer, htc touch diamond and few blackberrys and noticed power differences on all of them, its just the way modern cdma phones work and its effect is magnifed by lower signal levels, people that live few feet from cell towers will notice least difference while thous with 1 bar of coverage or around the -90 dbm or lower range will notice greatly magnified effects of this inefficient with data authentication process
seriously thou, anyone want to send me a second phone! lol
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couple googled links for you
http://www.hacktherazr.com/guides/verizon.disable.evdo.php
http://www.wikihow.com/Extend-the-Battery-Life-of-Your-Verizon-Wireless-RAZR
runkittyrun said:
seriously thou, anyone want to send me a second phone! lol
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couple googled links for you
http://www.hacktherazr.com/guides/verizon.disable.evdo.php
http://www.wikihow.com/Extend-the-Battery-Life-of-Your-Verizon-Wireless-RAZR
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Thats pretty good, but good luck with this one.
Coming from a G1 I was not expecting anything better on the battery for this phone, we get a phone like this because of it's features and everyone should know that features like this phone has are going to consume more power.
If battery is a persons problem and they will always complain about it, then they should not have a smartphone.
Also chargers are cheap.
I wander with the same amount of use, 2 identical phones one running 3G the other running slower, what would be the difference and how could this be done, the phone with 3G would be waiting on the other to load a webpage 90% of the time.
Sorry I left T-Mobile because of their lack of 3G service, I'll be dammed if I put my phone back to Edge speeds.
Lino. said:
If battery is a persons problem and they will always complain about it, then they should not have a smartphone.
Also chargers are cheap.
I wander with the same amount of use, 2 identical phones one running 3G the other running slower, what would be the difference and how could this be done, the phone with 3G would be waiting on the other to load a webpage 90% of the time.
Sorry I left T-Mobile because of their lack of 3G service, I'll be dammed if I put my phone back to Edge speeds.
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this definitely is not targeted for normal use
this is more for the person that cant make it threw 5 hours with the phone idle the whole time, if you want to start larger amount of data then switch it back and wait 40 seconds?? for reboot
2g will load web pages and email and all other data, except view vcast videos and thats blocked on network side, also voice chat programs like skype would take quality hit do to smaller bandwidth, if you used two phones in active data sessions the 3G would quickly become more efficient as session size and length increased, like you said it would finish loading larger websites and videos while 2g is still broadcasting an active session working on transferring the info, but if you set two phones with same apps on them in same place with one in 1x and other evdo and watched them in standby mode the 1x will have longer battery, now ideally if your going somewhere with low signal it is much easier to turn off all data threw normal menu and will give you even better battery but no emails updates or other data
I live in a poor Verizon signal area. Every phone I have ever had gets easy better batt life when set to 1x only so thanks for this tip.
Any easy to automate this with a macro or widget somehow?
lexluthor said:
I live in a poor Verizon signal area. Every phone I have ever had gets easy better batt life when set to 1x only so thanks for this tip.
Any easy to automate this with a macro or widget somehow?
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thanks, makes my post all worth while
would be a sweet widget if you could change the phone mode on the fly dont know enough about the android system to know if its possible, but maybe someone can look at the phone settings and make customized epst program and make widget just for this setting without the programing forcing a reboot, have seen some phone that can change nam programing without reboot but most phone do it automatically so be interesting to see if changed without a reset if it takes effect or not, hmm or even epst mod at commmit to bring up reboot yes/no instead force reboot on commit would work then we know widget should be possible
What it the point in having a top of the line media phone if you are going to cramp it's style by limiting it's functions. If you "need" this top of the line phone you should be able to pony up for an extra batt. The Incredible is a COMPUTER you talk on. Can your laptop last all day with heavy use unplugged ? ? NO.
I plug my phone in at work and in the car. I also keep an extra batt in my briefcase for out of the office emergencies. These are not flip phones that last all day. I have been using media phones since they came out and they have yet to make one that will last all day using all the features like you want to.
Why restrict what the phone can do , when all you need is an extra batt.
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What it the point in having a top of the line media phone if you are going to cramp it's style by limiting it's functions. If you "need" this top of the line phone you should be able to pony up for an extra batt. The Incredible is a COMPUTER you talk on. Can your laptop last all day with heavy use unplugged ? ? NO.
I plug my phone in at work and in the car. I also keep an extra batt in my briefcase for out of the office emergencies. These are not flip phones that last all day. I have been using media phones since they came out and they have yet to make one that will last all day using all the features like you want to.
Why restrict what the phone can do , when all you need is an extra batt.
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your right, why dont we all carry around backpacks or napsacks with batterys and portable charges and spare parts for our smartphone, batterys are cheap
and people should not be allowed to buy tv screens over 32" if they can't show proof of owning blu-ray player, i mean come on, no top line device unless your gonna use it to best potienal, and in reality they are just making large screens more expensive for thou that do have blu-ray, yep, no big screens for people with dvd's and stander cable
OMFG!
why are people so quick to force their frame of reality on to everyone, is their a Hitler award i dont know about?
i get that smartphones are computers first and phones second, but that doesn't mean everyone using one has the same needs, some people need the phone part of the smartphone to, well actually work, i know what a strang concept why dont they just get an old bag phone, better signal, better battery life, and you can get them with shoulder straps!
android is about ability to customize our phones, why? because we all use them differently so you can change your home screens, pick the apps you download, the experience is aimed at being user driven
your example laptop is way off base, what you should be saying is if your laptop is full charged and its completely off or in a hibernate mode for 2-5 hours can you even at that point turn it on? that is what this post is about, not the time your using the smartphone but the time that its self-destructing between uses
look, i admit this is not for everyone, infact for 90+% i would recommend not even trying this, but the point is some people are effected by this and shouldn't they at least have the option or ability for this? there was post requesting this before i even brought it up
do you know how many people i've talked to over 80 that have smartphones these days, now i'm not saying these should have them or that it wasn't incredibly frustrating talking to them and i didn't want to bang my head on wall saying why did someone sell this person a smartphone we should have test to who can buy smartphones, if you cant figure out how to turn it on by yourself you cant' buy one! but the reality is smartphones are becoming mainstream
- why would anyone need top line media phone and then cramp it?
> because they dont use their smartphone the same way you use smartphone
i.e. my father runs poker tournament for a large company and bigger events are normal held at casinos, i dont know if you been to poker tournament lately but they are long events, also most casinos are bad on cell signal, partly cause of the building and partly cause they have areas with signal equipment that interferes, he also needs to have his email on the device because he's general contractor and works with larger companies that demand a quick response, now one could suggest blackberry in this case as of smartphones they in most cases do better with battery life, but honestly at the rate android apps are growing and how much for fun and enjoyment i get from it i cant dream of not recommending a android phone to him, now their is one degree of separation that shows an example where this is useful, and i could go on all day long with completely different examples where this is helpful
can we all agree to disagree about how people are stupid people are to modify how their phone functions? and try to keep to subject of re-enforcing this works or providing examples that contradict this, or question to how it works or expands on its helpfulness
jbh00jh said:
What it the point in having a top of the line media phone if you are going to cramp it's style by limiting it's functions. If you "need" this top of the line phone you should be able to pony up for an extra batt. The Incredible is a COMPUTER you talk on. Can your laptop last all day with heavy use unplugged ? ? NO.
Why restrict what the phone can do , when all you need is an extra batt.
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I hear you on all of that and I fully understand what I have. I just came from a Touch Pro and, I'll tell you, battery was probably good for 14-16 hours if set to 1x and 10 hours on 3G. That a huge difference.
I'm on Wifi both at home and work and use Opera Mini, which works very well on 1x, plus I had a pretty quick way to go from 3G to 1x and back. It didn't limit me *that* much, but sure, there were plenty of times I needed to check something fast, wasn't near wifi and didn't want to use my macro to change to 3G and back. Yes, it's a bit of a pain.
Plus, I barely get a 3G signal in my house anyhow. It's 1x 75% of the time.
Now that I have my incredible, which does even so much more than the Touch Pro, yes, I'd like to keep it to 3G and I have chargers everywhere and an extra battery and might get an external battery charger too.
Still, I'd love to see an app or widget that can quickly set the phone to 1x mode and back.
runkittyrun said:
your right, why dont we all carry around backpacks or napsacks with batterys and portable charges and spare parts for our smartphone, batterys are cheap
and people should not be allowed to buy tv screens over 32" if they can't show proof of owning blu-ray player, i mean come on, no top line device unless your gonna use it to best potienal, and in reality they are just making large screens more expensive for thou that do have blu-ray, yep, no big screens for people with dvd's and stander cable
OMFG!
why are people so quick to force their frame of reality on to everyone, is their a Hitler award i dont know about?
i get that smartphones are computers first and phones second, but that doesn't mean everyone using one has the same needs, some people need the phone part of the smartphone to, well actually work, i know what a strang concept why dont they just get an old bag phone, better signal, better battery life, and you can get them with shoulder straps!
android is about ability to customize our phones, why? because we all use them differently so you can change your home screens, pick the apps you download, the experience is aimed at being user driven
your example laptop is way off base, what you should be saying is if your laptop is full charged and its completely off or in a hibernate mode for 2-5 hours can you even at that point turn it on? that is what this post is about, not the time your using the smartphone but the time that its self-destructing between uses
look, i admit this is not for everyone, infact for 90+% i would recommend not even trying this, but the point is some people are effected by this and shouldn't they at least have the option or ability for this? there was post requesting this before i even brought it up
do you know how many people i've talked to over 80 that have smartphones these days, now i'm not saying these should have them or that it wasn't incredibly frustrating talking to them and i didn't want to bang my head on wall saying why did someone sell this person a smartphone we should have test to who can buy smartphones, if you cant figure out how to turn it on by yourself you cant' buy one! but the reality is smartphones are becoming mainstream
- why would anyone need top line media phone and then cramp it?
> because they dont use their smartphone the same way you use smartphone
i.e. my father runs poker tournament for a large company and bigger events are normal held at casinos, i dont know if you been to poker tournament lately but they are long events, also most casinos are bad on cell signal, partly cause of the building and partly cause they have areas with signal equipment that interferes, he also needs to have his email on the device because he's general contractor and works with larger companies that demand a quick response, now one could suggest blackberry in this case as of smartphones they in most cases do better with battery life, but honestly at the rate android apps are growing and how much for fun and enjoyment i get from it i cant dream of not recommending a android phone to him, now their is one degree of separation that shows an example where this is useful, and i could go on all day long with completely different examples where this is helpful
can we all agree to disagree about how people are stupid people are to modify how their phone functions? and try to keep to subject of re-enforcing this works or providing examples that contradict this, or question to how it works or expands on its helpfulness
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Why would someone need a backpack to carry a 2oz, battery ?
The more I read on this tread the more I understand.
That was an option on my G1 to turn off 3G, I never did, I hardly had 3G with T-mobile.
Anyway you can turn off Mobile network on the fly, you can also put the phone in airplane mode, but both of these you will have to internet, also you could turn off Auto Sync, or turn the phone OFF for best battery life.
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how can I turn it off so I can save some battery...
EDIT: I got a cab file for everyone...just install, soft reset and it will be part of your comm manager
http://www.speedshare.org/download.php?id=03F8B49B11
Start/Settings/menu/All Settings/Personal/Phone/GSM_UMTS Services tab/Band
I'm sorry but don't you think that's too many clicks?
I realize that this may not be the popular thing to say around here, but I came from an iPhone 3G. Contemplated getting the 3GS but decided to give WinMo one more try and placed an order for a HD2 just now via DeviceWire.
But getting back on topic.. in the iPhone jailbroken world, there is a fantastic app called "SBSettings". It gets activated by a swipe near the top left area of the screen. From there, you could turn on/off toggles for things such as bluetooth, Edge, HSDPA, rotation, autocorrect, etc etc. People are building other toggles as addons for it all the time. But something like that should also exist for WinMo.
Now that I'm a WinMo newbie (my last windows mobile phone was a PPC-6700 and I swore never then to buy another windows mobile phone again). So there might already be another app just like the one that I'm describing. But if there isn't, it'd be great for someone to build that software. I'd certainly be willing to pay for that kind of conveniences!
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Start/Settings/menu/All Settings/Personal/Phone/GSM_UMTS Services tab/Band
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At 8am this morning my battery was 100%.
It is now 3pm and my battery is 60%. Weep.
I watched Star Trek for 30 mins on the train and did some email browsing and general tasks.
Wow.
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I'm sorry but don't you think that's too many clicks?
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Sure, if this was a setting people used one or more times a day, like turning wifi/bluetooth on/off.
How many people will ever even want to switch from the automatic default? 1% who are looking to save battery at the expense of speed? I'm sure there'll be some crazy control freak who wants minute-by-minute control of this, but who cares?
For 99% of people auto-3G degrading to 2G when 3G is unavailable is exactly what they want. For 0.99% of people they'll want to switch to pure 2G for battery purposes, it's a one-off action done on day one. It's easy enough to find in phone settings.
Who cares about that last 0.01%? If they're that bothered they can pay someone like me to knock up a switcher app.
I don't own an HD2, but I wouldn't be surprised if this could be speeded up a bit. On my Touch Pro2 the normal route would be Settings/Communications/Phone/Band (at the bottom of the screen). But the thing that gets launched when you go through that sequence is actually a programme in its own right, called CMBandSwitching.exe (resident in the Windows folder). So if you make a short-cut to that programme and put it in the Start Menu, then you can jump straight into it. Maybe there's a similar trick on the HD2?
look at first post...got a solution for everyone.
credit goes to moritz from pocketpc for creating this
[email protected] said:
look at first post...got a solution for everyone.
credit goes to moritz from pocketpc for creating this
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Nice find!
So I am at work, looking at my N1, and I'll let you all tell me if you think there is a problem...Since a full charge last night, my phone has been off the dock for 2h9m ...
In that time, my battery has dropped 14% already. The biggest culprit...the display...with 59%...despite only being on for 15m. I always use it on the middle brightness setting from the power bar. Ive lost basically 1% for every minute the screen has been on. At that rate, my phone wouldn't even last 2 hours turned on.
Am I being paranoid? Do I have some rogue program sucking battery life? Your thoughts?
Everybody says controversial stuff about phones like N1 or iPhone regarding battery life. But I can tell you from experience and some conferences I have been the following tips to improve your N1 battery:
-Leave brightness to minimum. Only at street you will need to have it at medium or maximum so you can see well.
-Use 3G or wifi when available. It will save more battery than if you use edge.
-Use push, also it's better.
-User apps like TaskManager to auto kill some application that remain open.
And last thing, if you have a new N1 the battery life will improve with the use within the next 2 weeks. Also, I'm sure you are playing around more than usual if you just got it.
I hope this help you.
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Battery History
See what the figure for 'running' is, if it's high, something is stopping the phone sleeping. Should that be the case, chage the top drop down box to 'partial wake usage' and see what is to blame.
blastik said:
Everybody says controversial stuff about phones like N1 or iPhone regarding battery life. But I can tell you from experience and some conferences I have been the following tips to improve your N1 battery:
-Leave brightness to minimum. Only at street you will need to have it at medium or maximum so you can see well.
-Use 3G or wifi when available. It will save more battery than if you use edge.
-Use push, also it's better.
-User apps like TaskManager to auto kill some application that remain open.
And last thing, if you have a new N1 the battery life will improve with the use within the next 2 weeks. Also, I'm sure you are playing around more than usual if you just got it.
I hope this help you.
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This is the complete opposite of what everyone else will tell you.
Most people say to force 2G (Edge) because it'll save battery over 3G. There are reports that WiFi will use less battery than 3G though, but not as good as 2G. Google even says this on the screen where you force 2G.
Push Email will require a constant polling on the internet. Since Android is a web OS, its probably connected to the internet anyway, but you can disable Auto Sync and Background Sync to save battery (once again, Google says this on that screen).
I agree with #1 and #4 though. If you don't want to do the lowest brightness setting, try the Auto Dim, it seems to dim it a lot more than my old Windows Mobile phones did.
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This is the complete opposite of what everyone else will tell you.
Most people say to force 2G (Edge) because it'll save battery over 3G. There are reports that WiFi will use less battery than 3G though, but not as good as 2G. Google even says this on the screen where you force 2G.
Push Email will require a constant polling on the internet. Since Android is a web OS, its probably connected to the internet anyway, but you can disable Auto Sync and Background Sync to save battery (once again, Google says this on that screen).
I agree with #1 and #4 though. If you don't want to do the lowest brightness setting, try the Auto Dim, it seems to dim it a lot more than my old Windows Mobile phones did.
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At first I had the same opinion as you have but after I watched this video it changed radically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUemfrKe65c&feature=player_embedded
mindfrost82 said:
Push Email will require a constant polling on the internet.
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No it doesn't, that's the beauty of push email. It opens a connection to the server and just sits idle.
Rusty! said:
No it doesn't, that's the beauty of push email. It opens a connection to the server and just sits idle.
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You are right so ... it saves battery at the end.
@mindfrost82. Check out the video, it will tech you few things because most of people is wrong as I was in the past.
Battery Drain
My phone would drain 15% battery in 1 hour just being idle witht he screen off. I dialed *#*#4636#*#* and changed the option from WCDMA preffered to WCDMA only. When I don't get a 3g signal (not often) I jsut go back to that and set it to GSM only. For one reason or another the WCDMA preffered SUCKS THE BATTERY!
4 hours of the phone being idle and only 5% battery drain! DO IT! IT WORKS!
blastik said:
At first I had the same opinion as you have but after I watched this video it changed radically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUemfrKe65c&feature=player_embedded
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WTF? 3g uses LESS POWER than edge/wifi?!
My whole world just got turned upside down
Thanks for posting the video
ap3604 said:
WTF? 3g uses LESS POWER than edge/wifi?!
My whole world just got turned upside down
Thanks for posting the video
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You need to be careful of this. The point the video made is that if you download something OF SIMILAR SIZE, you will realize battery gains by virtue of the fact that what you are downloading/uploading takes exponentially less time to retrieve. The real question is, if 2 phones are both casually browsing for the same amount of time...without worrying how much information was actually transferred...one on Edge, the other on 3G...is there a difference in battery performance?
What the video said is just common sense. If I am going to send you 20 MB file and one way takes 2 minutes to download it and the other takes 10 minutes to download, then OF COURSE the 2 minute method is going to be more efficient. So you can download on Wifi where it might take x amount of time, compared to 3G where it takes 5x or edge where it takes 10x. Thus, if the file size the person is going to download is known, then of course it makes sense to tell them to wait until they are on wifi. However, many of us casually browse, on the spot, without regard to the type of connection we are on.
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You need to be careful of this. The point the video made is that if you download something OF SIMILAR SIZE, you will realize battery gains by virtue of the fact that what you are downloading/uploading takes exponentially less time to retrieve. The real question is, if 2 phones are both casually browsing for the same amount of time...without worrying how much information was actually transferred...one on Edge, the other on 3G...is there a difference in battery performance?
What the video said is just common sense. If I am going to send you 20 MB file and one way takes 2 minutes to download it and the other takes 10 minutes to download, then OF COURSE the 2 minute method is going to be more efficient. So you can download on Wifi where it might take x amount of time, compared to 3G where it takes 5x or edge where it takes 10x. Thus, if the file size the person is going to download is known, then of course it makes sense to tell them to wait until they are on wifi. However, many of us casually browse, on the spot, without regard to the type of connection we are on.
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Yeah, what you just said is right. But still you are saving battery up! Plus I wouldn't use edge at all in my N1. What's the point of having almost everything disabled so I can receive calls?
I remind you that while edge is sending/receiving data you cannot get any calls
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At first I had the same opinion as you have but after I watched this video it changed radically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUemfrKe65c&feature=player_embedded
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This is an excellent video, I highly recommend watching it if you are even remotely interested in the inner workings of our phones.
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I remind you that while edge is sending/receiving data you cannot get any calls
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Thanks, I didn't know this, for the info this thread is full of great stuff...
1) middle brightness is very bright. I'm sure you can live with 25%. Display brightness will always drain battery like mad.
2) 3G power use is usually decent. The N1 has terrible RF so it might be fighting 2G/3G. That will cost you a lot of power. If you're getting full 4 bars 3G everywhere you go even underground, you might be ok, but in low reception areas, it's gonna drain your battery struggling to boost power. Bigger issue during a call too.I notice this on my Milestone. The N1 completely fails at 3G while my Milestone fights for it. As a result the Milestone gets quite hot.
3) There are sometimes apps that run in the background. Some people insist task killers aren't necessary, but lemme give you an example. Stupid Speedtest program failed to acquire my location. After a test, you can't really exit, so you just hit home. Droidforums fanatics will always repost that link to that one thread where they talk about memory and its ok to not have to kill an app. Think again. The GPS turns on because of Speedtest and it keeps trying to acquire your location. Gotta kill it with a task manager or that thing will kill you. Or a webpage. I've heard of people going to some site that keeps refreshing. Oh good luck to your battery. Make sure you close these things. Use a task manager. Sometimes Facebook or Twitter might be the culprit even if your refresh rates are awfully long. I do not understand this phone sometimes. At times I feel that multitasking/memory management on Android gets you into more trouble than if you just flat out restricted it like in the iPhone. I'm not saying the iPhone's restrictions are the way to go, but Apple knew what it was doing. There's a reason Android phones gobble power and pull data like mad even when you aren't aware. Random apps sometimes start. Facebook widget refreshes even though the app itself is set not to auto notify and to update on its own. So with so many things running loose, its quite easy to see why your battery can go down so fast.
RayKinStL said:
You need to be careful of this. The point the video made is that if you download something OF SIMILAR SIZE, you will realize battery gains by virtue of the fact that what you are downloading/uploading takes exponentially less time to retrieve. The real question is, if 2 phones are both casually browsing for the same amount of time...without worrying how much information was actually transferred...one on Edge, the other on 3G...is there a difference in battery performance?
What the video said is just common sense. If I am going to send you 20 MB file and one way takes 2 minutes to download it and the other takes 10 minutes to download, then OF COURSE the 2 minute method is going to be more efficient. So you can download on Wifi where it might take x amount of time, compared to 3G where it takes 5x or edge where it takes 10x. Thus, if the file size the person is going to download is known, then of course it makes sense to tell them to wait until they are on wifi. However, many of us casually browse, on the spot, without regard to the type of connection we are on.
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That's exactly the idea I got from that video too, which makes sense.
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1) middle brightness is very bright. I'm sure you can live with 25%. Display brightness will always drain battery like mad.
2) 3G power use is usually decent. The N1 has terrible RF so it might be fighting 2G/3G. That will cost you a lot of power. If you're getting full 4 bars 3G everywhere you go even underground, you might be ok, but in low reception areas, it's gonna drain your battery struggling to boost power. Bigger issue during a call too.I notice this on my Milestone. The N1 completely fails at 3G while my Milestone fights for it. As a result the Milestone gets quite hot.
3) There are sometimes apps that run in the background. Some people insist task killers aren't necessary, but lemme give you an example. Stupid Speedtest program failed to acquire my location. After a test, you can't really exit, so you just hit home. Droidforums fanatics will always repost that link to that one thread where they talk about memory and its ok to not have to kill an app. Think again. The GPS turns on because of Speedtest and it keeps trying to acquire your location. Gotta kill it with a task manager or that thing will kill you. Or a webpage. I've heard of people going to some site that keeps refreshing. Oh good luck to your battery. Make sure you close these things. Use a task manager. Sometimes Facebook or Twitter might be the culprit even if your refresh rates are awfully long. I do not understand this phone sometimes. At times I feel that multitasking/memory management on Android gets you into more trouble than if you just flat out restricted it like in the iPhone. I'm not saying the iPhone's restrictions are the way to go, but Apple knew what it was doing. There's a reason Android phones gobble power and pull data like mad even when you aren't aware. Random apps sometimes start. Facebook widget refreshes even though the app itself is set not to auto notify and to update on its own. So with so many things running loose, its quite easy to see why your battery can go down so fast.
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I'll second this, I never used to use a task killer as I figured it was just extra drain on the battery but after running across some rogue programs that kept running after being closed and draining the heck out of my battery I decided to install taskkiller and set it up to autokill apps when the screen goes off.
It's really easy to setup just install it from the market then use it to kill everything then flip through your homescreens make sure everything is up and running and go back into task killer and add everything there to the ignore list and turn on "autokill when screen off" now you don't ever have to worry about rogue apps killing your battery again and everything else will function normally.
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Yeah, what you just said is right. But still you are saving battery up! Plus I wouldn't use edge at all in my N1. What's the point of having almost everything disabled so I can receive calls?
I remind you that while edge is sending/receiving data you cannot get any calls
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yes you can, the phone will stop whatever data it's processing and take the call.
seanhassars said:
yes you can, the phone will stop whatever data it's processing and take the call.
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I'm sure 100% that while phone is receiving data over edge you wont get calls. I know because I had push enabled and afterwards I was getting SMS from my carrier that I have missed calls. It might say "ey sb is trying to call you" and then stop data transfer but for sure your will miss first call if someone is trying to reach you several times.
Check it out yourself.
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Everybody says controversial stuff about phones like N1 or iPhone regarding battery life. But I can tell you from experience and some conferences I have been the following tips to improve your N1 battery:
-Leave brightness to minimum. Only at street you will need to have it at medium or maximum so you can see well.
-Use 3G or wifi when available. It will save more battery than if you use edge.
-Use push, also it's better.
-User apps like TaskManager to auto kill some application that remain open.
And last thing, if you have a new N1 the battery life will improve with the use within the next 2 weeks. Also, I'm sure you are playing around more than usual if you just got it.
I hope this help you.
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there are a lot of people who say do not use a task killer, including google devs etc.
i used advanced task killer for the longest time, being used to needing one as a WM user before getting my n1. after reading various posts on the issue, i tested without and my battery life increased.
i use juice defender now as well to turn off the apn and wifi, based on speeds/location/etc
have it set to prefer 2g (dont get 3g at home)
screebl also setup to turn screen off when not in certain position in hand
last one is setcpu (need root for this though) underclocking the cpu (including advanced setting and profiles i have set)
lowest setting for brightness
also keep gps off unless needed
i hit about 24hr from unplug til 10% w/ heavy useage, wifi on all the time (although juicedefender handles when its on/off)
just now went to kmobs UV kernel and testing that to increase my times
i've done a 24hr test from 100%>10% based on each app i've mentioned
I think while we are on topic of battery life.. for those of you who are rooted. Here is another link that I would recommend. I used these on my HTC Dream and works great on the Nexus One. Increase your battery life 10 fold.
Your Tube: "Get Better Battery Life" by droiddog
sorry not allowed to link yet
I read on another site to simply turn off the always on in the wireless settings (not the background data in the sync menu) and my battery life has at least doubled. I was worried that my e-mail would not download or other apps would not work, but all my email still comes. The trick is that while your phone is in sleep mode it does not look for email, but once you use it the phone will get your email. Unless you MUST get your email right away, I would highly recommend changing this setting. All input would be greatly appreciated, I want to see if my good luck is working for other people. On a side note I am using Fresh ROM 2.0d.
Could you post the specific path to the setting you're talking about?
If I set my wifi to anything other than "never sleep", then once my phone goes into sleep mode I have to follow a long, convoluted, pain in the ass procedure to get wifi to work at all.
Hopefully that's not the setting you're talking about?
I posted this exact same thing in another thread two days ago. I was so stoked on my battery performance that I wanted to tell others. It's incredible the difference it makes! If you want even better performance go into Settings>Location...uncheck the use wireless networks box, and check the use GPS. Believe it or not the GPS uses a lot LESS battery life to detect your location than the wireless networks.
I'm getting like 2 whole days out of my phone now after doing these things...and that's with pretty moderate use. Hope other people try it out too.
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Could you post the specific path to the setting you're talking about?
If I set my wifi to anything other than "never sleep", then once my phone goes into sleep mode I have to follow a long, convoluted, pain in the ass procedure to get wifi to work at all.
Hopefully that's not the setting you're talking about?
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where are these options?
I agree, I used the GPS as well, not the use wireless network. I forgot about that one. Your phone will only use the GPS when it needs it, not all the time like we used to think. The exact settings are at MENU/SETTINGS/WIRELESS & NETWORKS/MOBILE NETWORKS\AND UNCHECK ENABLE ALWAYS-ON MOBILE
alexthearmo said:
If you want even better performance go into Settings>Location...uncheck the use wireless networks box, and check the use GPS. Believe it or not the GPS uses a lot LESS battery life to detect your location than the wireless networks.
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This will vary from person to person. It will depend A LOT on how good your coverage is in the spot you're currently at.
GPS is GPS. It will require the same amount of juice anywhere on the planet.
Cell chips are different. They are hardcoded to give more electricity to the radio circuit when the signal is weak, for obvious reasons. So if you have a cell tower in your back yard, then yeah, you'll get great battery performance relying on cell based options. If your nearest cell tower is 4 miles away, and you're one of those people that loses signal when you go into your basement, then telling your phone to use cell info is only going to chew up battery even faster....
no thanks. This isn't a fix, it's a pref change.
Fix would mean that everything stays the same and you just get better battery life.
But, good advice none the less, just not for me.
scirio said:
no thanks. This isn't a fix, it's a pref change.
Fix would mean that everything stays the same and you just get better battery life.
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Yeah, people on the forum use the word "fix" WAY too quickly.
"Fix" means everything works like you would expect, and like it should. Around here, people use the word "fix" when what they really mean is "here's a half-assed workaround that's a complete pain in the ass, but it will get 10% of the people by until something better comes along...."....
scirio said:
no thanks. This isn't a fix, it's a pref change.
Fix would mean that everything stays the same and you just get better battery life.
But, good advice none the less, just not for me.
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+1 - 6 minutes and counting to receive a test / text msg, while phone is sleeping. Nice the know though, if I need to really trade connectivity for battery duration. I should test whether sms polling is tied to the email polling interval. Cause it ain't interrupt driven with this setting.
edit: i know it's not really sms polling, but rather the lack of an interrupt(-ion of sleep).
Yes, you are right, it is not a fix, but a great way to increase battery life and like I said, everything works the same. I get messages the exact same way and email will go straight to my phone once I use it.
bigupurself7 said:
Yes, you are right, it is not a fix, but a great way to increase battery life and like I said, everything works the same.
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You sure about that?
When my wife sends me a text, I want to see it 5 seconds later, not 5 minutes later.
That may not matter to you, but when you make a statement to the whole world, you have to realize that some of us care about things that you might not.
How thoroughly did you test before you decided to say "everything works the same"?
Did you really test EVERYTHING? Or did you just test "everything that matters to you"?
I used to turn off background data and stuff on my stock 1.5, and I was thrilled I could actually leave it on with 2.1 so I wouldn't have to wait for google voice texts and gmail to come in. With 2.1 I can go the whole day with moderate usage and still have 40% at least left when I go to bed. Let it charge overnight and I'm good. This is good to know though if I am out in the sticks in a pinch and need the extra battery.
maybe it's different in 2.1 but in 1.5 i tried turning off the "always on" setting under mobile network settings under wireless controls but i found that after a while the phone will fail to restart evdo upon awakening and the only way to fix it is reboot. Never tried it on 2.1 but to me between the time on without signal fix nd upgraded radio i get all the battery life i need...
I get messages right away. I just got another one, tested it with a friend and it came right away!
On a side note, messages and phone calls have nothing to do with the internet. Remember we used to get text messages and phone calls way before smart phones.
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On a side note, messages and phone calls have nothing to do with the internet. Remember we used to get text messages and phone calls way before smart phones.
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Key words... "Used to"....
trust me, it works for me, wish it worked for you guys. its great having amazing battery life!
bigupurself7 said:
trust me, it works for me, wish it worked for you guys. its great having amazing battery life!
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But at what cost?
That's the big question here. Are you 100% sure that you're not missing any communications, or having them delayed?
I'd LOVE to have better battery life, but when it comes down to it my phone is a communication tool. If any battery tweaks delay messages, then they're WORSE then useless, they're actually harmful.
If I wanted to use my phone as a half-assed replacement for a PSP, then I'm sure I could squeeze some amazing battery life out of it, too. But above all, and with NO compromise, I must be able to send and receive communications instantly.
That's what a phone is.
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trust me, it works for me, wish it worked for you guys. its great having amazing battery life!
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Have you rebooted while in that mode?
Yes I have rebooted and just did another test. Got the text right away. Even more interesting is I have a program called Mobile Defense which can find your phone if it is missing and that works as well since it is all done through text messages.
So I've had my S5 for a few months now. It's basically been a dream for the time being.
Now the phone is pissing me off the same way the S4 pissed me off...
Battery life is totally fine, absolutely no complaints at all. My phone lasts for ages except for when I play tons of games on it.
Performance however is quite slow (probably due to lack of RAM).. despite running fstrim, cleaning cache on a weekly basis and using apps like Greenify etc.
The worst thing however is the ridiculous issues I am having with 3G/Data.
I am unsure if it is just my carrier (The largest network in Finland (SONERA)) or if it is my phone.
I made a video here of the EXACT SAME issue with Wifi (data is even WORSE):
http://youtu.be/2zNBV63Dk0U
Basically you see the first 2 pages load up pretty fast. Then what's with the wait on the rest of those pages whilst they are loading?
The speed of my network is 10MB/s up and down. It's a symmetric connection. It shouldn't be slow at all, and ping times are tiny. So why is it taking so long for my phone to resolve the website, regardless of the browser and method of connection (data or wifi) that I use?
Basically my phone will just switch between 3G and H/H+ continuously without actually being connected, or loading pages etc.
So basically I'll be in the middle of the capital city, on Finland's LARGEST network connected to 3G with FULL bars and not have a connection. Yet all around me, people are using their phones without remotely any issue at all on the same network..
Some information about my phone:
Galaxy S 5 (SM-G900F). Stock ROM, never flashed. Towelrooted.
4.4.2. - Baseband G900FXXU1ANE2
Build - KOT49H.G900FXXU1ANE4
Stock Kernel
80+ User Apps installed
Xposed Framework installed
The biggest issue I have is the fact that the Data connection just sucks in 2G or 3G. There's just this huge lag between loading any webpage, where there is literally ZERO data being transferred (I have the speed indicator xposed app), yet the icon just flashes back and forth from 3G to H to H+ and back. No matter what browser I use, and even often on Wi-Fi it's just terrible and there is STILL a huge wait time between pages actually loading. However apps at least seem to download totally fine.
I have my Buffalo N300 router on Wireless N. I am NOT running at 5Ghz, because it drains more battery. My 3G plan is set to 21Mbps, and I should have no throttling or cap. However I RARELY seem to see speeds over 250KB/s and in the centre of Helsinki or anywhere in the outlying (2-3km areas) there's just no data transfer at all. Full bars, but in some cases the entire network will just cut out and say that it is unavailable.
Could it be an issue with my phone's Modem? Could I just flash a newer modem over the current one that I have? The phone is running stock and it shouldn't be so slow, no matter what.
My stupid provider just suggested that I change to a more expensive 4G plan (yeah right, 3G on other providers was never remotely laggy)
Any ideas guys? I'll give you any information that you need to help me out...
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Well what info do you want from me?
I posted a video of how the pages load so slowly even on Wifi. I told you my router. It's a Buffalo N300. I don't have 5Ghz mode on. It's set to Wireless N. My internet speed is 100/100mbps. I think that is plenty of information.
I also gave my complete phone specs. My knox is 1x1 yes. I gave my baseband etc. above.
What exactly do you need to know about my configuration? It's set to use 3G always. I always seem to have bars of 3G (even if it won't connect) but there is NO data transfer at all. You can see in the video that the speed indicator in the taskbar doesn't show any data being transferred. There's just this large amount of time that it does nothing. The page loading/connection stalls and I have to wait. I've tried multiple browsers too like I said, and more than 1 Wi-Fi network.
If I swap back to 3G or 2G (WCDMA/2G) mode. Then the phone still stays on 3G 99.99% of the time, but there's still NO data transfer. On 2G it will work just slow enough that I can send a whatsapp message. But it won't load a webpage, not even slowly.
My carrier I also explained.. Sonera, the biggest carrier here in Finland, I also even explained the data plan I am on. 3G, 21mbps, no throttling, etc.
P.S. The speedtest in my signature, is my HOME WIFI connection. It has NOTHING to do with my data connection. I'm not talking about my DL speed or throughput, besides those are the speeds I get on my COMPUTER. I get slower speeds on my phone. I am talking about the LAG that I get when I try to open a page. I.E. Why does my phone just stall loading something and make me wait for ages for it to finish? Why does my connection just stop, and page loading just stop 40%-60% or whatever through loading something?
What extra info do you need? You keep saying 'phone congifuration' but I just gave you basically everything. What specific 'phone configuration' info do you need to know?
You know what phone I have, exactly what version, how it is rooted, etc. You know my data provider, my wifi and data speeds. You know the issue that I am explaining that I am experiencing and how it happens. Plus a bunch of other information, what is installed on my phone, my router and its set up. etc. etc. etc.
What more do you need?
Thanks for your reply but. Frankly I think I provided more information than most people do about their problems here.
P.S. Here's another video which shows me getting 12.5x slower speeds than I should be:
http://youtu.be/N0aTikEPbPM
Excuse the exasperation and that accompanies my Australian accent
I got some data issues too.in H+ data just won't move like it should.
I'm using saunalahti.
When i open a web page my 3g turns to h+ . I think that's the way i should work
because nothing happens with 3g.
Nothing mostly happens with my 3G either, it has to be on H to do anything. I am starting to think it's an issue with 'Fast Dormancy' and I might go ahead and disable that.
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fffft said:
Yes, you provided considerably more information than most people. Kudos if that makes you feel any better. However as I explained at length it still isn't nearly enough to effectively troubleshoot much. I also spelt out what would be useful to have. Having 60% of the details doesn't complete a puzzle significantly more than 40% would. It narrows things down a bit but you're still in the land of guessing and throwing out common issues hoping that one of them will turn out to be the problem at hand.
There are lots of people who will be happy to pseudo-randomly guess at the problem. And you can try each suggestion in turn until you hopefully hit upon the right one. I'm more interested in methodical troubleshooting which requires much more detailed information. As I described what would facilitate that and you still ask what do I want, I can only assume that you missed reading part of my earlier reply.
Regardless you can either post the details I requested or wait for others to point out how to address commonplace issues that may or may not help your situation.
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Are you for real? Practically all of your replies here are "You haven't given us enough information"
You practically know my phone and my data and Wi-Fi as well as I do, from what I have explained.
Now your reply is just paragraphs of you blabbering on about how I still haven't given you enough information for you to help me. If you think you're being constructive here or something replying like this to other people, you really aren't mate. Yes you did explain at length, three times that I didn't give you enough information. Yet you failed, to explain even ONCE exactly what information you want. Except to say "phone configuration" I mean seriously what? That's the most broad term you could possibly use on the forums here. I've explained my phone config, and- actually you know what, I won't do it again. I've explained everything so much and posted TWO VIDEOS of the issues that I am facing. If you seriously don't know enough about my problem then, with all due respect you are of absolutely no help to me what-so-ever.
The worst thing is, I'm usually a patient person and I am grateful for the help I get from other people in the forums here and anywhere else. But every-so-often someone like you comes around and I can't, for the life of me, even fathom as to how to even communicate with you. All of the information is right there in front of you to provide a second opinion or give your personal advice. Yet you're sticking with "You haven't provided enough information". There's nothing else I can do buddy, save actually giving you my phone and letting you look at it.
Also the way at which you seem to post in that I only seem to have 2 options here is really quite ridiculous. That I can either choose to give you more information (What information EXACTLY?) or basically just wait for other people to guesstimate what the issue could be (which I was totally fine with).
If you mean this information:
Or do any testing that might have revealed patterns in your data and wifi rates e.g. speed and latency tests at different times of the day
- What's the point? I explained here and in the videos that this has been happening all the time, for the past month.
with different providers
- I don't have another data provider to test with, I'm not made of money
direct comparisons to other phones on the same connection
- How the f*ck can I get stuff like this? I'm one person on my own, do you suppose I go stand out on the side of the road with a sign on a highway?
ping plots, service menu details about which bands are active and actual signal strengths or anything like that
- Do I look like a scientist to you? How am I supposed to know, and the phone doesn't give me any sort of way natively to even know any of this information
did you do any searches of forums dealing with specific providers e.g. BBR, Hofo, to see if anyone else is having provider issues?
- Yes and lots of people are having the same issues, even someone else replied to this thread stating he had the same issue
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That is a ridiculous amount of stuff to ask from someone and I have either given you the details already, or you're asking something that isn't physically possible for me to do.
Personally, I think you're going about this whole 'helping people' thing the wrong way. Like there is some choice between getting your 'professional' advice or something or basically just taking hints and suggestions here and there. I don't remotely agree with the way you post on the forums here. I've provided umpteen times more information than just about anyone else on the forum here, and no, that isn't a compliment to myself. It's a fact.
Ugh, this whole situation is just absolutely ridiculous. It's one thing to wrestle with a phone that isn't working correctly, but then when I come to the forums here for advice, I get replies like yours. Supposed helpful replies that are really just basically spam, constant reiteration of a moot point with equally absolutely no clear, or distinct point, subject or purpose to them at all.
Maybe you should take your own advice and be more specific with what information you want from people if you are going to bother to reply to them at all. Rather than just responding continuously with "We need more information". You represent 1 person on the forum here, and your ideas or advice are no more important or relevant than anyone else's. If you're going to try and help someone, don't confuse a person into thinking that they only have 1 source from which they can receive assistance and that they must first comply with your vague requests before they can get any assistance.
As for this now failure of a thread and my now wasted time replying and taking videos perfectly illustrating the problems I am facing with my phone. I am subsequently going to abandon this thread, unsubscribe from future replies and leave it here as both a documented source that there is an on-going issue (as many others have stated) with data and wifi lag and that for anyone else to perhaps understand your methods of posting better. Because I sure as day don't.
Thanks anyway I guess.
As for anyone else with the same issue. I am going to disable 'Fast Dormancy' and see if that solves my problem. Good luck to others facing the same issue.
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ignore fffft he has issues.
have you tried your sim in other phones? do they get good data speeds? if i were you i'd flash a modem update and see if that fixed anything. maybe try a prepaid carrier on your phone and see how its network speeds are.
Happened to me too - could be an app on your phone. Check settings to see which apps or using most battery and background services.
Or do what I did, and get an uninstaller to uninstall 70% of your apps you don't use - could make a massive difference!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
Try this
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Gosh.... Can you tell us own many more phone are connected to the same cell as you? This is already a difficult issue to troubleshoot, I guess your videos and long posts are useless. How can you distinguish between a mobile provider problem and a s5 problem?
fffft warned you!
Did you tried the cleanmaster solution?
Having the exact same problems in the US with sprint, I can have 3 or 4 bars of signal and apps report network failures and no data connection, I do not usually have an issue on wifi, but it does happen from time to time.
Rooted with towel
no custom recovery
Multiple frozen system apps
Purchased launch day from Sam's club
Xposed installed, I've disabled most of the modules I installed as they don't seem to work, especially any listed as Samsung specific
Still using TW
Often when the data loss issue occurs the 3g or LTE icon in the notification bar completely disappears, but the signal bar stays in 3-6 bars.
Current battery life seems to have no effect on the issue.
Mine is not just data, there are times the entire phone freezes and becomes unresponsive, taking 20-120 seconds to respond to pressing back or home even, and I get no response to pulling down the notification bar.
I do not use any task killers or battery mods or apps, I did notice a significant increase in occurrences approximately 3 weeks ago and the only thing I recall that I did then was to install hangouts dialer.
The troubleshooting I've done makes me believe the device is "detecting" high temps and turning off or slowing the CPU /GPU cores, thereby causing the apparent 'Lag'.
One incident happened last night, where no part of the phone felt hot, my game did not lose connection, but was on Wi-Fi, but I was getting 1 frame every 2+ minutes for 6 or 7 minutes, then the phone rebooted.
I have started making it a habit of opening Rom toolbox and checking the CPU current settings, during these issues I have never seen the CPU max over 1728 MHz.
The only information I located in a cat log was that frames were dropped and how many. Nothing about temperatures, many lines about IP addresses failing to respond. I do not have a saved catlog handy, but attached are a couple screenshots of data fails with good signal.
If you look, you may notice the warning notifications, those are sync errors with Google photos wanting sign in information for alternate accounts I have on the phone and don't want duplicating my phot backup too (some of my games I play 3 or 4 different accounts).
I will be happy to do any testing suggested as soon as I can and provide additional requested info without insults.
Necropost... Still having this issue, I've been on MOAR, Pac ROM, and Slim. 4.1.1, 4.2, & 5.1.1 android versions. Same problem, on Wi-Fi and Sprint. Phone is about to hit 2yrs old in April. Will be my first and last Samsung I guess... I've had a lot, Nexus is next I think...
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So, this is my first day with this phone, but I have already discovered a lot of things. I will keep this thread updated, though, as I discover more of it on my journey to enlightenment.
Also bear in mind that just before this, I was the owner of an LG G2, so some of the things will be more of a comparison on the user friendliness LG offers.
Key features
Size: At least for me, this is the sweet spot. “Once you go Compact, you’ll never go back.” :laugh:
Glass: Feeling. It’s a smooth surface. You’ll want to be able to embrace it all you can all day.
Border: Grip usefulness. If you hold your smart phone from its borders, it’ll be a sure bet it’d never let go of you.
Microphone: The other end of the call hears what it’s said so clearly, it’s scary. Once it sounded as if the person was on the ring.
Camera: Have yet to try under low-light conditions, but at noon, this camera shined. I was complimented at wok for its effective resolution.
Middle ground
Buttons layout: Hardware and software buttons. I don’t know you, but I think this phone was made for left handed. Whenever I use my right hand, I don’t know, I feel my thump is all cramped in there trying to change volume, while if I use my left hand, oh, boy, it all feels natural, and no more cramping. The good side of this is I’ve learned to use my left hand more. Definitely the best uni-hand setup is that of the LG G2. With buttons behind the phone, both hands are equally free to work with them.
Front speakers: Sound is loud, but I found it to be muffled. I can only guess it’s due to its water/dust proof nature. To be honest, I never use the phone’s own speakers that much. Almost never on any phone I’ve owned so far.
Applications: I totally hate it they have bundled some of the worst widgets/applications I’ve seen, ever. “What’s New”... really? Yet, there are some useful or nice one, at least to me: Album, Walkman, PlayStation, and others.
Disadvantages
Glass: Coating is awful. I once a long time ago thought the my HTC Desire was the King of smudges and fingerprints. Guess what? We got a new champion...! Seriously, I’m thankful I bought the White version,which makes the back of the phone appear as clear as it could be, while only the front suffers totally from it. In just five minutes of constant usage (like in a game, or scrolling and archiving Tweets), the front glass was kinda “oily”, and you could see smudges everywhere. Also you know what? It’s slippery has hell. Never, ever, before, have I encountered a surface as slipper as these glasses. Words cannot describe how much that is.
LED Flash: It’s the worst. As for hardware, the darn thing “bleeds” light before it even leaves the case of the phone. I mean, Sony, seriously? This is totally unacceptable. I’m even thinking on returning it if only because of this. I tried the Flashlight notification widget, and the Torch application itself: total disaster. They are so dim, it looks as if they didn’t want us to use the “phone” as a flashlight. Yet, I discovered, the LED Flash can go even brighter. I noticed it while taking a picture in low-light conditions.
System navigation bar: No way to change it, even with some default presets. The LG G2 had this. For example I don’t use the Recents button much, but I do A LOT “switch back to previous application” option back on my HTC Desire with an application that would let me set such things up, like behavior when long pressing such buttons as well.
Permanent notifications: For some reason, some applications like Lifelog and My Data Manager create a kind of immortal notification on the Notifications Bar.
I’m pretty tired at the moment. I’ll try to update tomorrow morning with what’s missing or to try to answer other questions. Feel free to comment your own while I do so.
We're in the same boat bud.... Coming from a lg g2 to a white z3 compact. Feeling about the same too. I really would like to know your take on the battery life as this is one of the main reasons for me to switch. But it's still early so take your time and let us know.
Well, the LG G2 was a battery power house on its own. I made it to 72 hours once, but using only LTE and stock AT&T ROM. Wi-Fi disabled.
I’ll report back this weekend when I reach 1%.
Wow! Mine never reached 50 hours.
Buttons
I got my compact about a month ago, I love it
The only annoyance I see is the location of the buttons on the right side, when holding the phone during a call my fingers struggle to find a spot to hold the phone.
I think they should move the power and volume buttons further up
Falconzar said:
I got my compact about a month ago, I love it
The only annoyance I see is the location of the buttons on the right side, when holding the phone during a call my fingers struggle to find a spot to hold the phone.
I think they should move the power and volume buttons further up
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I never had such a problem. In the end it will never be okay for everyone, since we're all different.
mab71 said:
We're in the same boat bud.... Coming from a lg g2 to a white z3 compact. Feeling about the same too. I really would like to know your take on the battery life as this is one of the main reasons for me to switch. But it's still early so take your time and let us know.
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Alright, just reached 1% this morning. Check the attached images for details.
So, details of my analysis:
I didn’t use STAMINA mode. I will do so on my next testing session.
Most connectivity services were enabled all the time: NFC, mobile data and Wi-Fi. Also my preferred data option was LTE first, so take that into account as well. Bluetooth was disabled. I had the Location-based Wi-Fi option, so Wi-Fi would turn off if I wasn’t near any of my saved Wi-Fi locations. I think this is one of those smart options. I like it.
Looks like Facebook applications, it seems no matter which one, don’t do smart push notifications. It is ALWAYS using background data checking. I’ll be sure to disable Facebook on STAMINA mode next time. I use WhatsApp, but WhatsApp looks like it knows how to properly work with Push Notifications. That is, it’s not a battery drainer.
Kind of the same thing for the Swarm application.
Some applications consume data and hence battery only because of some “active” widgets I got on my home screens, like Walkman. I will profile and optimize them accordingly. I pretty much left all the widgets there from stock start up. Only deleted What’s New widget.
You see that the screen is what took most of the battery, yet I find it strange it doesn’t really indicate the applications I was using precisely. I mean, of course the screen was needed so I could see the applications, but I find it weird that, for example, I navigated through the Facebook application for like an hour, yet neither the video watching nor scrolling seemed to have taken a battery hit according to the Battery usage diagnostics. I need to dig deeper.
I did some gaming, but it was a lightweight game, Bubble Blast 2. I will try some more serious gaming later on. I’m setting up my old MyBoy! GBA emulator like I had it on my previous phone. It’s just that I live in another city from before, and now the commuting time is shorter, which was mostly the time when I used it.
Alright, that’s it for battery report.
I will sit down this weekend and try to truly optimize my work flow this time, so next tests are, as much as they can be, more accurate.
I’d wish more people commented. I’m truly offended no reviewers ANYWHERE I’ve read (outside these forums, I mean) have commented on things like the bleeding LED flash, the REAL slippery status of the glass (where they have mentioned it, they make it sound as a minor thing, and that it is NOT) and stuff like that.
Thanks!
No, THANK YOU! A very good and detailed review on battery life. I will keep checking in here to follow your findings. Thanks again.
Hello back.
I’ll be honest, I didn’t quite finish my whole homework. It’s been 2 days, 7 hours of battery running (29% left), I’ll admit most of it the device has been idle, so:
I didn’t fully optimize my workflow.
Haven’t reached 1% yet.
Still, I wanted to report some things I’ve noticed:
Wi-Fi drains your battery like hell. Even with the location-based settings, forget it. It’s better to enable it only for application updates or when you need to download something big. Leave even the weather updates to your mobile network.
Can’t tell for real if 4G (HSPA+)consumes less battery than LTE, to be honest. I’m always on LTE, and it is awesome.
Enable Ultra-STAMINA mode when you go to sleep. It’s a huge saver, and seriously, if you want to sleep, disable interruptions. Probably its activation can be automated with something like IFTTT or Tasker to be enabled at midnight.
Not exactly sure if the Extended standby option of the normal STAMINA mode actually works. Supposedly it disables Mobile and Wi-Fi networks when the screen is off, but whenever I turn it on, the network icons are there immediately, like they’ve never been disabled. At least Wi-Fi icon should take a second or two to appear, instead of being immediately there.
Disabled Lifelog, which was taking a lot of battery after the Screen.
Alright, that’s it for now. Let’s keep walking the path.
On my Z3c the WiFi doesn't drain the battery.. Odd. For the disabling / enabling it's super fast because of the integration of the chip
For example my SBH-80 connects in one second top or even less when my s4 needs 4 or 5 seconds to do the same. Even on the Z Ultra it takes up to 2 seconds.
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Greg2Lu said:
On my Z3c the WiFi doesn't drain the battery.. Odd. For the disabling / enabling it's super fast because of the integration of the chip
For example my SBH-80 connects in one second top or even less when my s4 needs 4 or 5 seconds to do the same. Even on the Z Ultra it takes up to 2 seconds.
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Hmm... well, to me, compared to having Mobile data enabled, Wi-Fi drains the battery more.
Nice to know about the instant connection. My package also came with an SBH20. Gotta try what you said.
Thanks.
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Hmm... well, to me, compared to having Mobile data enabled, Wi-Fi drains the battery more.
Nice to know about the instant connection. My package also came with an SBH20. Gotta try what you said.
Thanks.
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What's an SBH20?
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KaOSoFt said:
Hmm... well, to me, compared to having Mobile data enabled, Wi-Fi drains the battery more.
Nice to know about the instant connection. My package also came with an SBH20. Gotta try what you said.
Thanks.
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What, you got a SBH-20 (FYI mab71 it's a Bluetooth Handset ) IN your package ? In the french package the isn't even a pair of Sony MH-750 for the headset, it's just a old pair of headphone that came from '90
It's odd about the WiFi / LTE Because the LTE is known to drain more battery than WiFi in most situation. Do you have a good WiFi signal ? Maybe you could try to change the canal on your modem to optimize your signal, if it become stronger it would be better for the phone and then not pumping too much. But 2-3% a night is not so much anyway
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What, you got a SBH-20 (FYI mab71 it's a Bluetooth Handset ) IN your package ? In the french package the isn't even a pair of Sony MH-750 for the headset, it's just a old pair of headphone that came from '90
It's odd about the WiFi / LTE Because the LTE is known to drain more battery than WiFi in most situation. Do you have a good WiFi signal ? Maybe you could try to change the canal on your modem to optimize your signal, if it become stronger it would be better for the phone and then not pumping too much. But 2-3% a night is not so much anyway
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****! Mine is the old 90s one
I've also come from the g2.had the z3c for over a month now and I do miss a few things. The g2 screen was simply awesome and the led flash light was blinding. The battery is better for me on the z3c, I always have stamina turned on. Unplug at 7 am and by midnight I can still be at 85%. That's with just a bit of usage though. It's also better when I really hammer the battery too (ingress)
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For instance, in the Italian Package, there is a MH-750 headset AND a and OTG cable. I'm not jocking at all, I was astonished when i saw this, especially when the price is lower than for the French people !
I've received today the MDR-NC31EM, it's worth the money, really (30-35 bucks)
Yeah, it might be the signal is bad (although it appears full), but in all instances I’ve witnessed, Wi-Fi drains more battery than my LTE.
Going back to STAMINA, I find its behavior unreliable. I enabled the Extended standby, and I made sure to exclude Facebook from the White listed applications to use background data connection, yet I still keep getting notifications from it. Also on the Developer options, in Process Stats, Facebook keeps getting a 100% runtime, mostly from its MqttPushService service.
I think I will still keep STAMINA on all the time, but I find it weird. I will search these forums for other people’s experience with it, otherwise it’d be wise to create a new Thread just to research into this.
By the way, Greg2Lu, no, the SBH-20 didn’t come IN the package. I bought my phone from my country’s online Sony Store. I paid more than USA price for it, but I thought it was normal imports system ripping me off, which isn’t unusual in my country, but I wanted the phone anyways (and the warranty, should I need it and receive it). What happened was that I received three packages with my purchase: Sony Xperia Z3 Compact (White), an SBH-20 headset, and a 5000 mAh CycleEnergy portable charger. The attached invoice mentioned the correct prices for each item. I would have preferred if they had simply sold me the phone for what it was, instead of bundling me with stuff I didn’t need and making me pay for it. The phone box DID come with a set of MH410c, though, but I bet they are crap, and I already got a good headset anyways.
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Yeah, it might be the signal is bad (although it appears full), but in all instances I’ve witnessed, Wi-Fi drains more battery than my LTE.
Going back to STAMINA, I find its behavior unreliable. I enabled the Extended standby, and I made sure to exclude Facebook from the White listed applications to use background data connection, yet I still keep getting notifications from it. Also on the Developer options, in Process Stats, Facebook keeps getting a 100% runtime, mostly from its MqttPushService service.
I think I will still keep STAMINA on all the time, but I find it weird. I will search these forums for other people’s experience with it, otherwise it’d be wise to create a new Thread just to research into this.
By the way, Greg2Lu, no, the SBH-20 didn’t come IN the package. I bought my phone from my country’s online Sony Store. I paid more than USA price for it, but I thought it was normal imports system ripping me off, which isn’t unusual in my country, but I wanted the phone anyways (and the warranty, should I need it and receive it). What happened was that I received three packages with my purchase: Sony Xperia Z3 Compact (White), an SBH-20 headset, and a 5000 mAh CycleEnergy portable charger. The attached invoice mentioned the correct prices for each item. I would have preferred if they had simply sold me the phone for what it was, instead of bundling me with stuff I didn’t need and making me pay for it. The phone box DID come with a set of MH410c, though, but I bet they are crap, and I already got a good headset anyways.
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Go to settings, data usage, scroll down until you find both facebook and Facebook messenger and untick allow background data. This will stop facebook from updating.
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[*]Permanent notifications: For some reason, some applications like Lifelog and My Data Manager create a kind of immortal notification on the Notifications Bar.
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dude, just deactivate it for these apps, its a checkbox in the app details. Confirmed working for Life Log, thanks for this tip anyway
IMHO, its not an upgrade from G2.
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Go to settings, data usage, scroll down until you find both facebook and Facebook messenger and untick allow background data. This will stop facebook from updating.
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No, I don’t want to disable background data checking forever, that’s why I set specific rules for STAMINA (only when screen is off), problem is somehow Facebook applications seem to skip that.
darkarvan said:
dude, just deactivate it for these apps, its a checkbox in the app details. Confirmed working for Life Log, thanks for this tip anyway
IMHO, its not an upgrade from G2.
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I see what you mean. I found another way to disable it through Settings -> Personalization -> Manage notifications.
And yes, it is definitely not an upgrade. I traded screen resolution for more battery (or at least a longer lasting phone), but boy, I couldn’t be happier. A day of full usage, chatting and video and stuff, 18 hours. That’s awesome.
I’m gonna be keeping this baby for a long time.