Hi folks.....,
Anyhow, I have several questions for y'all about the phone. I was wondering, can anything be done about the pink hue in camera shots? I've noticed that in some pictures, it's not so evident, but in others, it's clear as day. Is there a trick to this? I know that changing phones don't really work as it seems to be something to do with the tech of the camera itself + the housing of the lens or something.
Also, since this is my first time using WM 6.5, is it normal for the Start menu, to segment in terms of scrolling? Like, instead of a smooth drop all the way to the bottom, it goes in "pages" almost, if this makes any sense. Also, is there a trick to using capacitive screens? Whenever I try to use my fingertip to scroll, sometimes it registers, sometimes it half-registers. Is angle an issue here? Do you get better with this over time?
I'm running stock ROM right now, with a yellow-reset button if that matters, with 2.13. Having said that, what are some of the common things I can check for in terms of manufacturer's defects, etc? I want to try avoiding flashing until I've checked for these common issues first to save me the hassle of flashing back again, etc.
Thanks everyone! But boy...the phone is snappy.
PoisonWolf said:
Hi folks.....,
Anyhow, I have several questions for y'all about the phone. I was wondering, can anything be done about the pink hue in camera shots? I've noticed that in some pictures, it's not so evident, but in others, it's clear as day. Is there a trick to this? I know that changing phones don't really work as it seems to be something to do with the tech of the camera itself + the housing of the lens or something.
Also, since this is my first time using WM 6.5, is it normal for the Start menu, to segment in terms of scrolling? Like, instead of a smooth drop all the way to the bottom, it goes in "pages" almost, if this makes any sense. Also, is there a trick to using capacitive screens? Whenever I try to use my fingertip to scroll, sometimes it registers, sometimes it half-registers. Is angle an issue here? Do you get better with this over time?
I'm running stock ROM right now, with a yellow-reset button if that matters, with 2.13. Having said that, what are some of the common things I can check for in terms of manufacturer's defects, etc? I want to try avoiding flashing until I've checked for these common issues first to save me the hassle of flashing back again, etc.
Thanks everyone! But boy...the phone is snappy.
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I can't answer your question about the pink hue. I haven't noticed it in my pictures, yet.
Yes, the page scrolling in the start menu screen is by design. It's so you don't go way farther down than you wanted to. I think it's retarded.
The touch issues you are describing could be for two different reasons.
1st, I hope you aren't using your fingernail? A capacitive screen requires skin contact.
2nd, the 2.13 ROM has serious touch sensitivity issues. There is a sticky in the "T-Mobile USA HD2 General" forum up top that gives you a .cab to install that fixes the registry for much more responsive touch scrolling.
Since you posted this in that same forum, I'm sure you will see it up there!
Thanks for the reply. I actually tried the cab above by zim or something, and it made my touch scrolling so much worse in SPB Mobile Shell. So I don't know what's going on.
Anyhow, I spoke with a T-Mobile rep, and we went through the usual rigmarole, and he told me since I can't get rid of the pink hue, I should just go back and get an exchange. Anyone think I should do this? Or are all units likely to have this problem? How many HD2 users here do not have this problem for the T-Mobile HD2 version?
A good number of the units have the "pink hue" problem. You can see several videos people have made on YouTube about this.
I have a bit of it as well.
My contention...live with it because it seems as though you have about a 50/50 chance of getting another unit with the same problem.
Camusa said:
A good number of the units have the "pink hue" problem. You can see several videos people have made on YouTube about this.
I have a bit of it as well.
My contention...live with it because it seems as though you have about a 50/50 chance of getting another unit with the same problem.
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Is it normal to see the pink hue even through the screen though? Like, you start up the camera, even just at looking at the screen, I can see the pinkness in the center already. Is this normal?
That's my worry too. Everything else with the phone works so far. No dead pixels, no manufacturer's defects in the physical case....my worry is that by exchanging, I'm increasing the risk of obtaining one of these other problems.
Edit: Also, I have to mention that the pink hue is without flash.
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Is it normal to see the pink hue even through the screen though? Like, you start up the camera, even just at looking at the screen, I can see the pinkness in the center already. Is this normal?
That's my worry too. Everything else with the phone works so far. No dead pixels, no manufacturer's defects in the physical case....my worry is that by exchanging, I'm increasing the risk of obtaining one of these other problems.
Edit: Also, I have to mention that the pink hue is without flash.
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Mine...on occasion it does have the pink tint but when I take the picture it is not there. People said to try to take a picture of a blank piece of white paper and see what it looks like. I tried with my phone and it looked white and my friend tried it with his iphone 3gs and it was fine as well. I read somewhere about it being an issue with a number of cameras not only the HD2. That being said a lot of people have including myself have taken really good pictures without a hint of pink?!?!
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Mine...on occasion it does have the pink tint but when I take the picture it is not there. People said to try to take a picture of a blank piece of white paper and see what it looks like. I tried with my phone and it looked white and my friend tried it with his iphone 3gs and it was fine as well. I read somewhere about it being an issue with a number of cameras not only the HD2. That being said a lot of people have including myself have taken really good pictures without a hint of pink?!?!
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Flash, no flash?
Indoors or outdoors?
White balance set to auto?
Brightness settings?
whenever I try to use my fingertip to scroll, sometimes it registers, sometimes it half-registers.
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don't use your finger tip, use the pad. the conductance of the tip is lower than the pad. my left index finger simply won't work at all!
samsamuel said:
don't use your finger tip, use the pad. the conductance of the tip is lower than the pad. my left index finger simply won't work at all!
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Yeah, I figured as much now. I realize when I use the pad of my thumb and scroll, it's so orgasmic and makes me jizz in my pants. And to see the scrolling without the icons being rendered as you go is.....just ....how it was supposed to be.
Funny enough though, I can't seem to hit the corners as easily. This is apparently evident when for example, you're in the Phone settings, and you have the two arrow keys on the bottom right. It's almost impossible for me to use my right thumb without hitting 10 times while my left-thumb needs about 2 ~ 3 tries. The screen seems to register the touch at the center of my thumb-pad, so to speak. Is this normal? Or does it just register the area of the thumb that gives off the most "signal", so to speak?
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Thanks for the reply. I actually tried the cab above by zim or something, and it made my touch scrolling so much worse in SPB Mobile Shell. So I don't know what's going on.
Anyhow, I spoke with a T-Mobile rep, and we went through the usual rigmarole, and he told me since I can't get rid of the pink hue, I should just go back and get an exchange. Anyone think I should do this? Or are all units likely to have this problem? How many HD2 users here do not have this problem for the T-Mobile HD2 version?
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The pink spot was addressed by an HTC-issued patch for the euro Leo, which is still available on the HTC support/updates site for that model. But, the patch states that it's for builds prior to the ones used in the Tmo models, so I don't know that it will make a difference, but you're welcome to try it. I think the same tweak is available in all the HD2 tweaks listed in the sticky on the main page...in the list of all the "touch-x" cabs smaberg posted, there's one there for the "camera fix", I believe that's the same thing.
I haven't noticed the pink spot on my HD2 at all, and I did a test or two with a white paper...but I honestly don't remember what lighting I used. If I were you, I'd just test it several ways (indoors/outdoors/flash/no flash) and compare the results.
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The pink spot was addressed by an HTC-issued patch for the euro Leo, which is still available on the HTC support/updates site for that model. But, the patch states that it's for builds prior to the ones used in the Tmo models, so I don't know that it will make a difference, but you're welcome to try it. I think the same tweak is available in all the HD2 tweaks listed in the sticky on the main page...in the list of all the "touch-x" cabs smaberg posted, there's one there for the "camera fix", I believe that's the same thing.
I haven't noticed the pink spot on my HD2 at all, and I did a test or two with a white paper...but I honestly don't remember what lighting I used. If I were you, I'd just test it several ways (indoors/outdoors/flash/no flash) and compare the results.
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It's much more prevalent in indoor shots without flash. For outdoor shots, it's hard to notice it, but the farther you go away from the picture, the more noticeable the pink blur is. The radius of the pinkness get larger as the darker the ambient surround gets, at least for me.
Im still debating whether it is worth the hassle to argue for a brand new one, knowing that the reps might be reluctant to shell out a brand new HD2 over what they'd probably deem as a "minor" discoloration or something.
i noticed the pink hue on my hd it started after i had the screen replaced and then added copilot i beleive its from where the video driver has an issuse and it maybe to where u hav to get the device replaced dude if u hav a custom rom try task 29 and then add a new different rom so that the rom is fresh on the device now so far on my hd2 i see no pink hue but i hav one of the first genration of tmous-hd2 i ordered it the first day,,, hope info helped
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i noticed the pink hue on my hd it started after i had the screen replaced and then added copilot i beleive its from where the video driver has an issuse and it maybe to where u hav to get the device replaced dude if u hav a custom rom try task 29 and then add a new different rom so that the rom is fresh on the device now so far on my hd2 i see no pink hue but i hav one of the first genration of tmous-hd2 i ordered it the first day,,, hope info helped
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Hmm, but I've read online it's more to do with the low-quality of the camera parts and nothing to do with software really. Seems like a hit or miss really. Still fidgeting at this point whether to get it replaced or not since everything else works perfectly.
Anyhow, running SPB Mobile Shell on this monster results in 0 lags/freezes.
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Hmm, but I've read online it's more to do with the low-quality of the camera parts and nothing to do with software really. Seems like a hit or miss really. Still fidgeting at this point whether to get it replaced or not since everything else works perfectly.
Anyhow, running SPB Mobile Shell on this monster results in 0 lags/freezes.
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Yeah, my understanding is that the root of that issue is hardware based...the fix that was released was just an attempt to improve the way the software tries to compensate for that. But yes the only way to 100% eliminate it is to use higher-quality (and therefore bulkier) hardware components, at least from the references I've read on the topic.
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Yeah, my understanding is that the root of that issue is hardware based...the fix that was released was just an attempt to improve the way the software tries to compensate for that. But yes the only way to 100% eliminate it is to use higher-quality (and therefore bulkier) hardware components, at least from the references I've read on the topic.
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What would you do Phunkee? Live with it or try your luck for a new phone?
Also, does anyone know if enabling Wireless N increases your drain when using Wi-Fi? And if you'll see a speed increase on Wireless G networks? And does enabling Wireless N count as "voiding" the phone's warranty?
PoisonWolf said:
What would you do Phunkee? Live with it or try your luck for a new phone?
Also, does anyone know if enabling Wireless N increases your drain when using Wi-Fi? And if you'll see a speed increase on Wireless G networks? And does enabling Wireless N count as "voiding" the phone's warranty?
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If it's noticibile enough in your own pictures that it bothers you, I'd only try for a replacement phone if they can guarantee you a new one instead of a refurb (might want to take it into a store). I still can't seem to recreate the issue for sure, at least in any pictures where coloring isn't already kooky overall because of lighting irregularities.
Keep in mind too that it looks like new/replacement units are now being shipped with the 2.13 ROM from the factory, so also decide if that matters to you or not.
EDIT: I don't know about the wifi-N drain or performance improvements...I have it enabled on mine but my work and home networks are still G-only. I'm 99.8% sure though that it does NOT void your warranty to enable that.
1. There is a CAB file for the pink spots, have you tried it on your model?
2. Wireless "N" seemed to drain my power more also. And no it will not void your warranty because after a hard reset it will turn the registry tweak off. Hard Reset brings everyting back to stock except for your call timers. (unless you HPSL'd your phone).
Thanks for the suggestions so far guys. Right now, I've noticed that outdoor shots, it's hardly noticeable on the computer, so I think I'm likely to just stick with this phone. Everything runs great after all.
Anyhow, I wanted to ask, how do you guys use your screens? Do you use the base of your thumb? I can't for the life of me get scrolling to work when I use the tip of my forefinger. Not my nail, just even towards the tip, it's choppy. I test it out on the Notes program and I try to do a flick and I can understand why. Instead of a single vertical line being drawn, it's being split into 3 ~ 4 smaller lines, as though the screen is not able to register the touch continuously. Is this something to do with my personal body charge and how my finger is shaped? I only ask because I've used an iPod Touch before and I was able to scroll just fine with my finger tip. Is there anyway to improve the sensitivity even further?
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Thanks for the suggestions so far guys. Right now, I've noticed that outdoor shots, it's hardly noticeable on the computer, so I think I'm likely to just stick with this phone. Everything runs great after all.
Anyhow, I wanted to ask, how do you guys use your screens? Do you use the base of your thumb? I can't for the life of me get scrolling to work when I use the tip of my forefinger. Not my nail, just even towards the tip, it's choppy. I test it out on the Notes program and I try to do a flick and I can understand why. Instead of a single vertical line being drawn, it's being split into 3 ~ 4 smaller lines, as though the screen is not able to register the touch continuously. Is this something to do with my personal body charge and how my finger is shaped? I only ask because I've used an iPod Touch before and I was able to scroll just fine with my finger tip. Is there anyway to improve the sensitivity even further?
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There has been some sensitivity issues with 2.13; not saying that's it but a good place to start looking. There are also some registry tweaks for the flicking of your finger (how far it flips up/down). I don't have the exact link, but a quick search will get you in the right place. I personally use the end of my index fingers, thumbs, whatever finger is closest to the key I'm looking for.
PoisonWolf said:
Hi folks.....,
Anyhow, I have several questions for y'all about the phone. I was wondering, can anything be done about the pink hue in camera shots? I've noticed that in some pictures, it's not so evident, but in others, it's clear as day. Is there a trick to this? I know that changing phones don't really work as it seems to be something to do with the tech of the camera itself + the housing of the lens or something.
Also, since this is my first time using WM 6.5, is it normal for the Start menu, to segment in terms of scrolling? Like, instead of a smooth drop all the way to the bottom, it goes in "pages" almost, if this makes any sense. Also, is there a trick to using capacitive screens? Whenever I try to use my fingertip to scroll, sometimes it registers, sometimes it half-registers. Is angle an issue here? Do you get better with this over time?
I'm running stock ROM right now, with a yellow-reset button if that matters, with 2.13. Having said that, what are some of the common things I can check for in terms of manufacturer's defects, etc? I want to try avoiding flashing until I've checked for these common issues first to save me the hassle of flashing back again, etc.
Thanks everyone! But boy...the phone is snappy.
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by pages I wonder if you are describing lagging. Lagging should not be normal. I suggest you notate how much free ram you have and how your program screen behaves (smooth or laggy)by going to >start menu>settings>system memory. After, run clean ram and repeat the above mentioned steps. You should have more memory and a smoother user interface.
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Hi, Just wonder if you still have the screen problem (register the wrong place when click) after the upgrade.
No. You should check out the humongous thread on google support forums. Googe have now abandned even giving updates on this serious problem.
http://www.google.com/support/forum...8e&hl=en&fid=04134c63c784258e00047fdfe09ae547
p.s. no fix in ere36b either (as im running that now and still experience this problem at random)
I don't understand this issue, I just don't see it on mine at all, no matter what ROM I install ... there has to be something more to this than a simple fault across all handsets ... either select faulty ones or some other factor. Mine just works 100% as expected at all times.
That said I have had no 3G issues either, no matter what radio version I use. Perhaps I am lucky ?
I think its because people are touching the edge of the screen while pressing with the other causing it to register incorrectly
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I think its because people are touching the edge of the screen while pressing with the other causing it to register incorrectly
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That is not it, there are plenty of videos that show the touchsreen misfiring while just laying on the table. Also, the way I hold my phone I am never touching the glass surface other than with the one finger doing the touching.
With regards to some people not seeing it, this issue is very random. I can go for days without noticing it and then out of the blue it would come back, most annoying when it happens while typing something.
There is another somewhat related issue with the sensor on the n1. If you download an app called multi touch paint and try to draw two parallel lines simultaneously from say top left corner down to bottom right you will see that the lines are not straight at all and full of zigzags. Only way that this sensor recognizes multiple lines properly is if you draw perfectly vertical or horizontal lines.
There is also a discussion on developer groups where game developers are pointing out this very problem of multi toch totally being screwed up where it switches axis causing your touch to register in completely the wrong place. From the comments of the android engineer it makes it seem that the sensor hardware is just like that, cheap and low quality.
Link to discussion: http://groups.google.com/group/andr...read/thread/d0aa3eea8fd9a2b8/9a8ea81133866460
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I think its because people are touching the edge of the screen while pressing with the other causing it to register incorrectly
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trust me its not.
i have had this twice and has nothing to do with that.
i dont see it as a huge problem but a lot of people are getting this on a daily basis..
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That is not it, there are plenty of videos that show the touchsreen misfiring while just laying on the table. Also, the way I hold my phone I am never touching the glass surface other than with the one finger doing the touching.
With regards to some people not seeing it, this issue is very random. I can go for days without noticing it and then out of the blue it would come back, most anyin when it happens while typing something.
There is another somewhat related issue with the sensor on the n1. If you download an app called multi touch paint and try to draw to lines simultaneously from say top left corner down to bottom right you will see that the lines are not straight at all and full of zigzags. Onlyway that this sensor recognizes multiple lines properly is if you draw perfectly vertical or horizontal lines.
There is also a discussion on developer groups where game developers are pointing out this very problem of multi toch totally being screwed up where it switches axis causing your touch to register in completely the wrong place. Fromn the comments of the android engineer it makes it seem that the sensor hardware is just like that, cheap and low quality.
Link to discussion: http://groups.google.com/group/andr...read/thread/d0aa3eea8fd9a2b8/9a8ea81133866460
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I know, I have seen all these videos and attempted to re-create many times to test I have never seen this issue once.
Don't get me wrong I can understand it being a mare of you are having it, but I just dont ever see it.
after trolling the Google thread, it seems to me there are several scenarios everyone is lumping into "screen issues" and it's going to be hard to pin it down to one source
Mine happens (touch registers on the wrong part of the screen) when I am using certain apps (Ringdroid, Browser mostly) - a couple of things clears it up ; press the sleep button, kill all tasks if you have an app for it, or change to landscape mode. For other people it's the soft keys and/or much worse. Since mine clears up with a specific action, I tend to think it is software related.
With mine it used randomly to happen but only in the Launcher (never again since 36B). I couldn't point anywhere but if I selected any app with the trackball and opend ist everything worked fine again, also the keyboard on the launcher worked well. For me it seems that it has something to do with the launcher.
I remember reading a thread about this back when the HD2 was released, but I haven't really thought about it until now.
Since I bought it on the release date, I've been having problems typing on my HD2. The keyboard seems over sensitive and not accurate. When I press one letter, I genereally get the one next to it. When I try and delete the accidental character, I end up typing a heap of L's, M's and P's!
If I do the screen re-alignment it seems to be better for a while, but then after a reboot (which you need to do every couple of days with WinMo!) it goes bad again.
I hate texting now and entering passwords is impossible! I've got to the point where sometimes I want to throw the damn thing away.
I've had 2 iPhones, and HTC Touch Diamond and Touch HD previously so I know its not me. If I try my father-in-laws HD2, I can work it no problem.
I contacted HTC who told me to try a Hard Reset - but as I flash ROMS frequently I know this isn't going to make a difference. They said to contact them if the Hard Reset doesnt work and send the phone in for repair.
Obviously I'll need to reflash a stock ROM first!
Has anyone sent their phone back and what happened? Did it get fixed, and how long does it take?
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I remember reading a thread about this back when the HD2 was released, but I haven't really thought about it until now.
Since I bought it on the release date, I've been having problems typing on my HD2. The keyboard seems over sensitive and not accurate. When I press one letter, I genereally get the one next to it. When I try and delete the accidental character, I end up typing a heap of L's, M's and P's!
If I do the screen re-alignment it seems to be better for a while, but then after a reboot (which you need to do every couple of days with WinMo!) it goes bad again.
I hate texting now and entering passwords is impossible! I've got to the point where sometimes I want to throw the damn thing away.
I've had 2 iPhones, and HTC Touch Diamond and Touch HD previously so I know its not me. If I try my father-in-laws HD2, I can work it no problem.
I contacted HTC who told me to try a Hard Reset - but as I flash ROMS frequently I know this isn't going to make a difference. They said to contact them if the Hard Reset doesnt work and send the phone in for repair.
Obviously I'll need to reflash a stock ROM first!
Has anyone sent their phone back and what happened? Did it get fixed, and how long does it take?
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i have the shaking screen issue when zooming and i cannot detect if it is hardware issue or software or it is normal
Search for "weird touchscreen behaviour".
If you send it back to HTC they'll change the screen and it will come back fixed, or they'll do something random and it won't.
I don't think its just you, I have similar issues! I'm learning to type slower, and there are some links in the tips & hints thread that may help.
I reflashed back to the stock ROM and surprise surprise, same problem.
I emailed HTC back who then said it would have to come back for repair.
They said to phone them to arrange, so its all set up - being collected by UPS tomorrow. Hopefully it will all get sorted.
On another note - I'm now using an old Nokia 3600 Slide while my HD2 is all packed up. I'm loving having an old keypad again! Texting is a delight again, and the small form factor of this phone is great. Its a shame the screen is tiny and the Opera Mini functionality is poop!!
If HTC did a modern version of the Touch Dual with a big touch screen and a slide out keyboard then I'd buy one in a flash! Maybe I'll get a Touch Pro 3 when it comes out
did you try this?? it works for me.Hope it helps
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did you try this?? it works for me.Hope it helps
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I have been using that - or a similar one - for the last few months, which helps a bit. The problem isn't the sensitivity though, its the accuracy of the screen. When I press 'P' I get 'O', or 'R' I get 'E'. Its like its not quite lined up correctly.
hmm... I had exactly the same problem,but just because screen was too sensitive and this cab helped. Have you also tried align screen??
If this one won`t help I think your fingers are too big (sorry,joke)
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i have the shaking screen issue when zooming and i cannot detect if it is hardware issue or software or it is normal
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I have the same issue...
Registry tweaks to decrease sensibility help but I think is a hardware problem, so I'd like to know if someone has sent his phone for repair
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I have the same issue...
Registry tweaks to decrease sensibility help but I think is a hardware problem, so I'd like to know if someone has sent his phone for repair
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all my friends iphones have this issue but less than hd2 i think it is capastive screen issue
Sent mine back to O2, not HTC. I was getting light blotches on the screen in various places, they were very prominent when displaying light colours and they were getting gradually worse. Got it back yesterday and it looks brand new.
Did you flash the phone back to stock at all?
Yes, you need to remove the HSPL and that can only be done by flashing a stock rom from the memory stick - USB flashes the stock rom but leaves the HSPL intact. If you don't they will send it back to you saying the warranty is void. As well as replacing my screen they upgraded the stock O2 rom I had on it so they obviously check the software even if it's a hardware issue you have sent it back for. It goes without saying the first thing I did when I opened the box was replace the HSPL and flash Xannytech's Evolution.
I know to get rid of it, was just wondering if you did
Touch wood never had to send mine back but at least they can't tell you've HSPL'd it in the past...
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all my friends iphones have this issue but less than hd2 i think it is capastive screen issue
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Not all HD2 have this issues, at default (without registry tweaks) was impossible to write anything for me.
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Sent mine back to O2, not HTC. I was getting light blotches on the screen in various places, they were very prominent when displaying light colours and they were getting gradually worse. Got it back yesterday and it looks brand new.
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You had a different kind of issue, should know if someone with shaking/poor accurancy screen has sent his phone back
Well folks... my phone was picked up last week by UPS and returned to me today.
Before sending it off I reflashed the stock ROM and got rid of HSPL.
I've tested it a bit and am very happy - so I'm now flashing my Miri ROM back on as I type! HTC have replaced 'LCM (LCD)' and replaced 'Rigid-Flex Board (FPC Board)' as their diagnostic stated 'Touch Panel function abnormally and Camera Flash Malfunction'.
Typing feels like it should as the key I hit is now the one that actually presses. I don't know about the camera as I haven't tried it yet - but I didn't think there was anything wrong with it.
My only complaint is that the phone went in for repair with an HTC Screen Protector fitted, and they must've removed and refitted it - as its full of bubbles and knackered! Never mind - I'll order another one.
If anyone has the problems I described... contact HTC and get it sorted, as this is like using a new phone. Hopefully I won't feel the need to throw it again!
I'm mightily pissed off as I have just had to return my Leo back for the 2nd time with exactly the same problem as I had previously (see above). HTC and their crappy cheap LCDs must be costing them a lot of money.
I've been experiencing almost all the bugs in my HD2, last month i sent it back to HTC for repair.
They changed the touchscreen and display because they thought it wasn't bright enough (i didn't notice that).
I got it back a week ago and immediately saw that i now have a different touchscreen, more dots and diagonal lines can be seen.
All the problems are gone and i haven't been experiencing any problems the last week.
My Advise for people with touchscreen problems, have your touchscreen replaced !
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Sent mine back to O2, not HTC. I was getting light blotches on the screen in various places, they were very prominent when displaying light colours and they were getting gradually worse. Got it back yesterday and it looks brand new.
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i had the white blotches issue too and htc also replaced my screen under warranty (turnaround 11 calendar days) and paid carriage both ways; this despite my lacking a sales invoice, having bought the phone used on ebay and the moisture tab being tripped (which they also replaced).
a very good service from htc only slightly spoiled by the tech who reassembled my phone leaving a fingerprint on the *inside* of the camera lens cover glass which rather than sending it back to them again, i cleaned off myself by means of unscrewing the back panel.
Any fix for this ugly bug ?
Before HTC HD2 i had iPhone 3G, and it had no such bug.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRrKEDP59XE
This bug works on all apps, the biggest problem is when you type text on virtual keyboard, all buttons around are triggered.
Get a life man.
Obviously it has a sensitive touch screen. It is not a bug. You can decrease the sensitivity using BSBtweeks amongst others. But if you touch and twitch your finger on the screen that's what you get.
And if you don't like it go back to you iPhone.
waza123 said:
Any fix for this ugly bug ?
Before HTC HD2 i had iPhone 3G, and it had no such bug.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRrKEDP59XE
This bug works on all apps, the biggest problem is when you type text on virtual keyboard, all buttons around are triggered.
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there are a lot of faulty devices initially which were released. claim your
warranty, bring this back to where you bought it and show them your problem
waza123 said:
Any fix for this ugly bug ?
Before HTC HD2 i had iPhone 3G, and it had no such bug.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRrKEDP59XE
This bug works on all apps, the biggest problem is when you type text on virtual keyboard, all buttons around are triggered.
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it is not bug it is due to over senstivity and it is common in capastive screens even my iphone do it but not so much as its screen is smaller
just don't use the tip of your fingure
there are any. cab to lower the sensitivity enough to solve this problem?
thank you very much
waza123 said:
Any fix for this ugly bug ?
Before HTC HD2 i had iPhone 3G, and it had no such bug.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRrKEDP59XE
This bug works on all apps, the biggest problem is when you type text on virtual keyboard, all buttons around are triggered.
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you obviously have a defective unit. I tested mine exactly the same way and doesn't have this shaking screen at all. (even at the maximum zoom level at opera.) try to get a replacement.
i was having problems with the sensitive touch screen, not as bad as most, but very annoying. the main one being when trying to press the back key on the keyboard it would randomly hit a letter instead bout 1 outa 5 times. most other things where quite good.
Phone was still quite new so i returned it to virgin for a replacement and this new one works perfectly. Also, my old one had the visible matrix at angles where as this one does not. Also, the sticker on the packet says rev.B. Not sure if its relevant.
Anyway, to some it up, if you are having screen problems that are souring your phone experience and like me you can get a hassle free same day exchange, i'd go for it, cos the difference is really quite large. Previously id adopted to using skype as the normal qwerty was too innacurate for fast input. but now i can type quickly and accurately in portraite mode on the normal keyboard. Pinch to zoom seems to be working much better now aswell.
I have BSBtweeks and low sensitivty in that movie. On/OFF no big deal same effect.
I guess you guys don't have iPhone 3G and don't know how to real TouchScreen should work.
Why are you keeping your finger on the screen for so long?
Why not ?
For example, you scroll web down, and up in one move to see it all etc..
or u use Virtual mouse like notebook touchpad to control your pc cursor over wifi. etc.
I do it on iPhone without this bug.
get the same probleme and bsb don't change anything
LOL @ tags to this thread
I try and I try and I try but I can not replicate the problem in any software at any zoom level....
I have turned the tweak on and off and still cant make my screen do that maybe your phone is faulty,
i had the same problem, get your phone replaced under warranty !
i sent mine out under warranty repair and foud that they did nothing to fix it so i rang them (o2) and told them the problem is still apparent.
they sent me recondtioned model. cant tell the difference (physical) between reconditioned and a new one if you ask me!
i dont have the shakes with this phone
I got the exact same problem. Screen shivers like crazy, damn annoying. Bought in Norway... So it goes under warranty? I thought it was supposed to be like this......
eddyos said:
lol @ tags to this thread :d:d
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+1
Read my post thats one below this! I had a similar problem and just got my phone back after a week at HTC. A new screen (and camera?!?) and it works an absolute dream now. Definately recommend making the call!
Demon_man said:
I have turned the tweak on and off and still cant make my screen do that maybe your phone is faulty,
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+1.
We've got a Iphone troll on the forum lol
LOL @ tags
ok thx guys
I loved everything about this Phone until today. Today is the day I tried to access ebay from my Phone. Brought up the page in only a few seconds, good start. Pinch to zoom working well, excellent.
username in without too much trouble.
Password.... it took me 20 mins to get this in due to the ****ty sensitivity on the screen. I was almost at the point of throwing it against the wall.
I have the sensitivity fix installed, is there proper solution for this problem or some way to make the screen much more accurate for typing?
stoolzo said:
I loved everything about this Phone until today. Today is the day I tried to access ebay from my Phone. Brought up the page in only a few seconds, good start. Pinch to zoom working well, excellent.
username in without too much trouble.
Password.... it took me 20 mins to get this in due to the ****ty sensitivity on the screen. I was almost at the point of throwing it against the wall.
I have the sensitivity fix installed, is there proper solution for this problem or some way to make the screen much more accurate for typing?
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calibrate the screen ,it solves allot of issues , if this doesnot fix it change the screen
change the screen, you mean have it replaced?, this is my second phone as they other was the same, are we sure this isnt something we are going to have to live with?
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Password.... it took me 20 mins to get this in due to the ****ty sensitivity on the screen. I was almost at the point of throwing it against the wall.
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what was the problem?
clicking the password field (I just find you have to be quite zoomed in, in opera it seems to ignore clicks to fields unless the fields have been zoomed in on.)
or typing the password on the keyboard because it has no auto text correction? (I dont really find this a problem to be honest, I use a large number of numbers, letters uppercase and lowercase and symbols and aslong as I dont type it too fast and think about each key I will always type it right first time)
getting into the fields wasnt too bad with zoom. The problem was multiple taps. When I type a key sometimes It also puts on all the keys around it, seems to be a bit random - I havent got sausage fingers either.
It may be worse for me as I had a touch HD before this and the resistive screen was very accurate, may just need more time to acclimatise.
you probably should go into notes and try drawing lines around, if they aren't really straight or if by pressing in one spot you have the cursoir drawing all around your fingertip, then it's probably still something to do with warranty servicing
Me, on the other side, never ever had any problem with sensitivity at all, all the contrary I think that if I had to install the sensitivity patch it would be way more unpleasant to use the phone, I like the sensitivity as it is now
:S hmm that sounds a bit weird, I don't really have much of a problem with key accuracy.
are you typing your password too fast? might help if you slow it down, instead of retyping it ten times, take 5 times longer to type it the first time and you have already cut down the time it takes you by a lot
Get the original stylus from HTC and try again. If it happens with the stylus too the screen is fu.....
This is going to be a random suggestion
Do you have any Task Managers installed? Such as Dutty's/Touch X or Appelflap's or anyone that put an icon in the top right of your screen.
If so, try uninstalling them and see if this a has any positive affect on your typing.
We'll deal with a replacement Task Manager later
when I move quickly accross the page it is fine, when moving slowly its absolutely terrible, akin to sizeometer earthquake 9 on the ricter scale. I am using Laurentius26 GoldEdition V2.1, I will flash back to stock and see what that is like.
this is what I am getting, exactly..!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJJ1eyM9FM&feature=related
Have you tried using a different rom, if a new rom doesnt fix it there must be some hardware failure since that is not standard behaviour for the screen. I have just performed the same test on my phone and I get near perfect straight lines even while varying the pressure on the screen.
You say you have a fix installed is it this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
I had the none ghost fix installed but realised I have both problems. Just uninstalled and installed the ghost+sense fix and reset....
no change
will try a new ROM, if no change then I am going to send it back to VODA, this was a "nearly new" phone on their swap scheme, got it free on £20.month, seemed to good to be true and was.
Watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egVn2HvexhQ&feature=related). It may be the case that your HD2 needs to be sent for repair as it may just be defective.
Did you try running no task managers? I presume that it did not help.
Send it off and explain it's unusable in this state.
put stock new ROM on from Voda, a lot better by far. It must either be the ROM, the fix or Zoomer which is causing this. I wonder if anyone else has has this problem, i will log this on the ROM thread.
still having problems with this, not as bad as before, think i am going to send it back and cancel the contract, I think this phone although beautiful is not fit for purpose.
Right, since this is such a significant impairment (and some users don't seem to experience it), I decided to create a separate thread for it:
If anyone finds out how to properly CALIBRATE the touchscreen on Froyo on Blackstone, please post it here.
So far, the "msmts_calib=0x395.0x3c9.0x79.0x77" results in random keys etc being pressed on the left hand side of the screen.
Thanks
z.
zero0007 said:
Right, since this is such a significant impairment (and some users don't seem to experience it), I decided to create a separate thread for it:
If anyone finds out how to properly CALIBRATE the touchscreen on Froyo on Blackstone, please post it here.
So far, the "msmts_calib=0x395.0x3c9.0x79.0x77" results in random keys etc being pressed on the left hand side of the screen.
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z.
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well, there is a bigger problem as the calibration part ...
in froyo it seems to be, that the calibration willb e done automatical and it is not necc. to do anything extra...
but the module/driver for touchscreen is buggy ...
better for testing is the app dotty (can be downloaded from market).
there you'll see, that if you press via finger middle botton, that it jumps on screen touch to left botton - only sometimes ......and with this bug it is almost not possible to use the phone via fingers ...
my boot paramter for calibration is: msmts_calib=0x395.0x3c9.0x79.0x77
but as told above ... the problem is the touchscreen doesn't work correct if using finger ...
if you use the stylus, then it is working, so i think it is a bug, that if the touchscreen driver is getting multiple zones on touching the display, then something strange happen, and then it add an extra point on the left side, which makes using keyboard (SIP) almost impossible.
the only questions would be: does this bug also happenon 2.1 ?
because it it is there working, then we can try to implement the driver from 2.1.
cu camel
Slow down...
Slow down guys...
For 99% of users the calibration works fine, you're in the minority experience tolerance issues.
Touchscreens drift over time, and with heat fluctuations (quite dramatic ones only) etc.
You guys are just unlucky and have devices that have clearly drifted by some amount....
Now, there ARE instructions floating around about how to fix calibration issues, but they aren't on the Blackstone thread, they are elsewhere and I can't recall quite where, but they DO exist.
When it comes to used a finger instead of a stylus, here you just have to live with the differences between a resistive and capacitive touchscreen. Resistive is the one used on Blackstone and most other touchscreens older than 18 months old, whilst never devices tend to have capacitive screens.
What's the difference?
Resistive need physical pressure against the screen, but can be highly accurate in ONE position. You can use these screens with or without a stylus, so can be good for handwriting recognition etc.
Capacitive need NO physical pressure against the screen, but are less accurate.
However they can detect multiple presses at the same time in different parts of the screen.
You can't easy use these screens with a normal stylus and so they aren't ideal for handwriting recognition or fine detail work.
When it comes to using your finger on resistive screen, a lot of accuracy is lost... you're just pressing a large area of the screen and the screen can only deduce ONE point under your finger. This can lead to inaccuracy and wrong buttons being pressed with a UI that has tiny icons and controls.
If your touch calibration is ALSO out, then things get worse still.
Now, before any techies get too techy, there ARE some 'smart' techniques for trying to have multi-touch on resistive displays, but we will no go into that here, and they are generally 'hacks' that don't work in all scenarios.
You guys just need to get your displays recalibrated... that should cure 95% of all your problems, and the remaining 5% are just the stuff we all face... like no multitouch, pinch to zoom etc
It's definitely wrong to give the impressions that XDAndroid releases simply don't work correctly with touch screen. That's very misleading indeed.
i too have issues with touch screen accuracy (both 2.1a and 2.2 v1.0)
80% of the presses are fine, but the other 20% xdandroid would place my finger about 1" to the right, slightly down of when i first contact the screen, and then work out where i've actually pressed a fraction of second later, translating it into a swipe etc.
the touchscreen tool in the debug area proves this fact.
WM is perfect.
weirdly, it seems not to occur at all/noticably less using the stylus. maybe something todo with pressure/contact area?
i do think the OP has a valid issue tbh.
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Slow down guys...
For 99% of users the calibration works fine, you're in the minority experience tolerance issues.
Touchscreens drift over time, and with heat fluctuations (quite dramatic ones only) etc....
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Thanks for the info.
First, I didn't mean to mislead anyone. I just noticed increased inquiries about this issue and I wasn't aware of the 99% of users having it perfectly working...is this a fact btw?
Besides, I am aware of the different types of displays but obviously, pinch zoom etc are not exactly the main concern, we are just looking to use the phone with our fingers mate!
I agree - I have been using the phone for many months running WM and I had no issue, whatsoever. I am not much of a techie but you are still referring to the software calibration, correct?
Thanks for sharing some valuable info again. I would love to see those instruction on how to do this calibration as without it and along with much of resentment to use stylus, it pretty much makes the phone running Froyo useless )
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Thanks for the info.
First, I didn't mean to mislead anyone. I just noticed increased inquiries about this issue and I wasn't aware of the 99% of users having it perfectly working...is this a fact btw?
Besides, I am aware of the different types of displays but obviously, pinch zoom etc are not exactly the main concern, we are just looking to use the phone with our fingers mate!
I agree - I have been using the phone for many months running WM and I had no issue, whatsoever. I am not much of a techie but you are still referring to the software calibration, correct?
Thanks for sharing some valuable info again. I would love to see those instruction on how to do this calibration as without it and along with much of resentment to use stylus, it pretty much makes the phone running Froyo useless )
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But windows mobile typically makes you calibrate your screen when you reflash a ROM, making the calibration specific to your device.
It's also not clear where the calibration info is stored, other than the registry it MAY be stored in E2, or some flash area somewhere. Regardless, it usually forces you to recalibrate (some custom ROMs skip this).
The XDAndroid chaps deemed to 'auto configure' Blackstone calibration for some reason, and this is the most probable reason why folks are having issues.
As for 99%, hummm well, just my releases alone have over 20,000 downloads, and my stuffs one of the lesser used!... yes, some folks have calibration issues, but the majority aren't reporting any... I've maybe seen/heard 20 folks with the issue... that's not too many all in all across all the various releases. AND, some of those guys were also the types of guys saying "this sucks, the battery lasts 2 hours".... as if we didn't all know that ;-)
There was a calibration tool floating around somewhere, plus, those values CAN be edited to suit your device, so there is some home!
Wow, I thought I was one of the only people that had the calibration issue. X_X It's what caused me not to use XDAndroid as much. =(
Anyone have any idea what the calibration tool was? I tried searching calibrate and calibration but no tool was mentioned in the Blackstone droid threads.
PS. I have no idea on how to change the calibration values... =/ When I open up the ts_calibration it shows up as blank. When I open up the startup.txt ("msmts_calib=0x395.0x3c9.0x79.0x77") I do not know exactly what the values affect.
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I tried using the stylus but it currently has the same problem as if I was just using my finger... Does that mean that my touch screen is going out on me? =(
I have a problem too with touch screen calibration.....I guess i'm 1% of users...
im curious as to how maany others have this issue - seems theres a few coming out of the woodwork now
im sure the XDAndroid FAQ or the release thread says the devs are aware of almost all issues so dont bother reporting them (or something to that effect), yet i havent seen anyone mention touchscreen issues upto this thread.
does anyone see a need for a bugtracker for the XDAndroid, or are the forums sufficient? to me, forums seem a bit 'unofficial' with reguard to bugs - maybe an official bug tracker (specific to the android project) would help everyone to see what people are experiencing and numbers involved.
i must say i am only a user, so i dont see or get involved in the development side so maybe this thing already exists in closed circles.
to put it another way, each phone has their own android subforum so it must take the devs alot of time to collate info. bug tracker could be a better way to manage this?
I have the same problem, since 1.6... i touch the screen and is like i touched 1cm outside the screen on the left for 0.001 seconds, so is extremly difficult to type without stylus.
with the stylus is much better but still not good
Ps. i remember the first version of android working on blackstone (1.5 i think) was working good, and the touch screen was fine
veehexx said:
im curious as to how maany others have this issue - seems theres a few coming out of the woodwork now
im sure the XDAndroid FAQ or the release thread says the devs are aware of almost all issues so dont bother reporting them (or something to that effect), yet i havent seen anyone mention touchscreen issues upto this thread.
does anyone see a need for a bugtracker for the XDAndroid, or are the forums sufficient? to me, forums seem a bit 'unofficial' with reguard to bugs - maybe an official bug tracker (specific to the android project) would help everyone to see what people are experiencing and numbers involved.
i must say i am only a user, so i dont see or get involved in the development side so maybe this thing already exists in closed circles.
to put it another way, each phone has their own android subforum so it must take the devs alot of time to collate info. bug tracker could be a better way to manage this?
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I was actually thinking about the same thing..unsure how to proceed though...
mitikos said:
I have the same problem, since 1.6... i touch the screen and is like i touched 1cm outside the screen on the left for 0.001 seconds, so is extremly difficult to type without stylus.
with the stylus is much better but still not good
Ps. i remember the first version of android working on blackstone (1.5 i think) was working good, and the touch screen was fine
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I would dig up that version along with calib code in the startup txt file then!
well, i've put the idea forward in the main android subforum here.
it would certainly be useful from a user side perspective to see progress and known issues. fingers crossed
edit: and when did i move to 'Senior member'!!?
I experience similar issues with 2.2, didn't notice it to the same extent in 2.1. When I type on the on screen keyboard, pretty often i get an added button press detected off to the left (about 2 - 3 cm). The problem does occur a lot less when using the stylus instead of the finger.
This is NOT likely to be a calibration problem, as in that case all presses would be off consistently (e.g. always half a centimeter in the wrong direction or something like that).
It looks as if the Touchscreen sends some "incorrect" data that WM filters as too short of a press or whatever and that is affecting some users.
mmm, questionable.
Calibration is as far as I'm concerned done each time, individually with new system (ROM) unless using a saved one from previous attempt install (my Froyo case).
To my understanding of the matter, wrong calibration doesn't necessarily have to mean your display is "shifted" 2cm to the left or so. Simply, it just doesn't work properly i.e. you have the same problem as all other people in this thread.
Maybe reading TheBrilliantMistake's post about different types of screens earlier would help you understand...
after all, we need that calibration tutorial/tip which is allegedly somewhere around here...
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I experience similar issues with 2.2, didn't notice it to the same extent in 2.1. When I type on the on screen keyboard, pretty often i get an added button press detected off to the left (about 2 - 3 cm). The problem does occur a lot less when using the stylus instead of the finger.
This is NOT likely to be a calibration problem, as in that case all presses would be off consistently (e.g. always half a centimeter in the wrong direction or something like that).
It looks as if the Touchscreen sends some "incorrect" data that WM filters as too short of a press or whatever and that is affecting some users.
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I have the same problem, exatly the same.
Cant we set android to ignore the first 0.1seconds of a pression on the screen?
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I experience similar issues with 2.2, didn't notice it to the same extent in 2.1. When I type on the on screen keyboard, pretty often i get an added button press detected off to the left (about 2 - 3 cm). The problem does occur a lot less when using the stylus instead of the finger.
This is NOT likely to be a calibration problem, as in that case all presses would be off consistently (e.g. always half a centimeter in the wrong direction or something like that).
It looks as if the Touchscreen sends some "incorrect" data that WM filters as too short of a press or whatever and that is affecting some users.
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ah - finally
now you got it - this is exact the problem what i want to tell everybody ..., and i'm sure, that this happen, because the touch screen driver doesn't calculate correct the position when a bigger range (like touch from a finger) is touched. This doesn't happen, when stylus is used ...
to remove the first 0,1 sec or something ... don't think, that this would help
...on the other hand ... which module is responsible for touch screen ?
Just for a start the background of calibration (it's on security risks with touchscreen based voting machines but the principle is obviously the same) - http://vote.nist.gov/threats/papers/touchscreencalib.pdf
I believe TheBrilliantMistake in this case thought we'd sometimes hit adjacent buttons. But fact is, it always does trigger to the left and in addition to the correct press being detected, so well there's something else to this one.
Guess it will be ironed out eventually as it's a lot less common in 2.1. But it's annoying to the point of making texting a real pain in 2.2.
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Just for a start the background of calibration (it's on security risks with touchscreen based voting machines but the principle is obviously the same) - http://vote.nist.gov/threats/papers/touchscreencalib.pdf
I believe TheBrilliantMistake in this case thought we'd sometimes hit adjacent buttons. But fact is, it always does trigger to the left and in addition to the correct press being detected, so well there's something else to this one.
Guess it will be ironed out eventually as it's a lot less common in 2.1. But it's annoying to the point of making texting a real pain in 2.2.
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does it means, that under 2.1 there is no such kind of "touchscreen bug with finger" ?, because then we can take a look to the modules - maybe we can compare the difference to 2.1 ...
I didn't experience it there but I have to admit that I didn't use 2.1 for too long. Maybe it's a speed issue with 2.1 being more optimized and polished then 2.2 which leads to it occuring on a less frequent basis.
Due to the known problems with powersafe modes not being supported yet in XDAndroid I'm currently mostly running WM6.5 but I'm looking forward to the advancements with XDAndroid, great project.
Add 2 more devices to the 1%.
I'm experience the same issue. My friend which has a newer Blackstone than me let me put my XDAndroid mSD card into his phone and there goes the same issue.
Tested with some drawing applications, here is what i experienced:
Just like others stated before most of the times when the bug occurs I get a line starting like 2 cm to the left of my finger (and a little lower) and ending under my finger. It's like I've been dragging my finger across the screen for 2 cm. Sometimes it goes as far as the left side of the screen.
Since this is inconsistent I doubt it's a calibration issue. I must assume it's the driver. But I might be wrong.
Anyway I believe a lot more people than 1% are experiencing the issue but they aren't posting about it since they believe it's a known issue.