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Reminiscent of my Diamond, when actively using the HD for a prolonged period, the battery area heats up almost as much as on the Diamond (plus I swear I just noticed a little screen dimming/flicker on it a short while ago - exactly as my Diamond does!)
It's not something that, on it's own, bothers me enough to attempt a re-flash (on the diamond anyway, given I'm not really very au fait with such things and really don't want to brick it...) but something I know was addressed in some of the cooked ROM's for that - so I guess you guys want to hear about issues with the HD/Blackstone as well.
This happened on my old Kaiser too, often if it was being used as a GPS for any prolonged period - it seems to be an issue with the Qualcomm chipset, and it's pretty shameful that it's still occuring on brand new devices. I don't think it's very healthy at all - overheating like this could easily shorten the lives of other electronic components even if the chip itself can take it, and it will be bad (potentially even dangerous) for the battery as well. There's some very poor hardware design going on here somewhere.
This also happens on my asus p750, so i think it is normal that devices get hot when you use gps or hsdpa.
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I agree this phenomen only occur using GPS.
But happens on all the hTC device with builtin GPS like Cruise,Dimond and now Blackstone.Don't know is this very healthy for the device.
Well I hate to say it, but my iPhone never runs hot, despite having a faster processor inside. It's not good enough to say "it's fast so of course it gets hot" - they could have put a Core 2 Duo in there and that'd be really fast, but it would also catch fire after a couple of minutes. The trick with mobile processors is to make them run fast enough, and cool enough, to do the job safely and well - and I think HTC (or perhaps Qualcomm) are pushing that margin too far, somewhere along the line.
Make no mistake, everytime it overheats like that, it's having a big knock on effect on your battery's health, and on the lifespan of various other components inside.
boba23 said:
Alright man, I can't judge it yet, since I won't get mine till tomorrow. But what you are saying here is simply .... well strange.
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Not strange, just common sense. Every component has an operating temperature range, and the closer it gets to the top of that range, the more strain it's being put under.
You seriously think that HTC puts out devices, that they haven't tested for operating within a safe temperature range?
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No, of course not, they have to gain FCC approval after all. They'll be within safe ranges, and there'll be a designed-in behaviours for when those ranges are exceeded (eg immediate shutdown), but that doesn't mean these are the best possible hardware designs or that these operating temperatures are particularly healthy for the device's longevity, it just means they aren't going to explode. Probably.
I really don't think unless the back of the device doesn't get REALLY HOT, that this will influence the device lifetime in any way.
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"REALLY HOT" is a pretty subjective measurement - I'd say my Kaiser did get "REALLY HOT" on some occasions, and there was an immediate influence on the device's behaviour like apparent battery drain when this happened. I wasn't alone in experiencing it either. As far as its longer lifetime goes, then of course it has an effect. The battery chemistry in particular is very sensitive to temperature extremes.
I got a T60p notebook, which runs very warm under load. If you put your hand on its back you feel it's really, really warm there. That notebook runs absolutely fine for 3 years now. No problems what so ever.
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That's a notebook - it has an active cooling system that draws cooler air over the surrounding components, and vents hotter air out the side. More than that it's also much larger with much more space in and around the components to allow the heat to dissipate. Phones like the Touch HD have none of that - not even a sidevent let alone a fan, and zero empty space inside - meaning pretty much 100% of that excess heat is being absorbed by all the other components. Not healthy, and not good hardware design - there's a reason why your T60p would never have been designed that way.
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Well I hate to say it, but my iPhone never runs hot, despite having a faster processor inside.
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if you do a search online you will find out that apple downclocked a perfectly good 667MHz cpu to 400 MHz. On top of that, the reason it runs cool and seemingly running fast is because it's 400MHz for only one program (there is no multitasking, except core applications that came with apple). Also iphone's GPS doesn't update as fast I blieve 1Hz, instead of 5Hz.
ah yes - foolish apple for underclocking that chip and producing a phone which runs perfectly cool, and still faster than any WM device I've ever used. If only they used overstretched Qualcomm chips instead, eh ?)
Say what you like about the Iphone, but the Qualcomm processors HTC have wedded themselves to are junk, plain and simple.
As for the GPS and multitasking - well the GPS seems to be far more sensitive to movement than my old Tytn II was so I doubt what you say is true, but if it is then clearly HTC's hardware advantage is getting lost somewhere in poor software. Multitasking - well the iPhone multitasks as much as my kaiser ever did, given that I was always precious about closing background apps down anyway to save battery life and memory - the iPhone still does it's phone thing in the background of whatever I'm doing, still plays music while I write an email, all that kind of stuff - and it's still much, much faster at doing anything than the kaiser ever was, despite the "same" 400mhz processor.
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ah yes - foolish apple for underclocking that chip and producing a phone which runs perfectly cool, and still faster than any WM device I've ever used. If only they used overstretched Qualcomm chips instead, eh ?)
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Didn't you read what he said? iPhone doesn't multitask anything like the HD or other WM devices for that matter.
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Didn't you read what he said? iPhone doesn't multitask anything like the HD or other WM devices for that matter.
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I read every word. Maybe you should have read what I said?
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Multitasking - well the iPhone multitasks as much as my kaiser ever did, given that I was always precious about closing background apps down anyway to save battery life and memory - the iPhone still does it's phone thing in the background of whatever I'm doing, still plays music while I write an email, all that kind of stuff - and it's still much, much faster at doing anything than the kaiser ever was, despite the "same" 400mhz processor.
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Still i dont understand why you people worry about longivity, since is more likely you're gonna change the phone to the 2nd-3rd newer model availabe, if not the next one.
The devices get hot because they offer so many features (eg multitasking) and I am sure they would run within specs. So far I havent heard anyone saying that any HTC device caught fire.
btw iPhone sucks!!! Unless you want a toy, WM devices are mostly business oriented even though they do most of the things that iPhones do.
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Still i dont understand why you people worry about longivity, since is more likely you're gonna change the phone to the 2nd-3rd newer model availabe, if not the next one.
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Plus htc give you a 2 year warranty.
according to this gizmodo android review, it seem's so...
http://gizmodo.com/5318860/htc-hero-review-ambitious-but-tragically-flawed
"Guts and Miscellany
Powering Hero is 528MHz processor virtually identical to one inside the Dream and Magic, and it has the same 288MB of RAM as the latter. Frankly, it's not enough. At least not with HTC's custom user interface, more than a couple of widgets and an application running. Killing all of the widgets—especially the Twitter one—does help. But moments where the phone does nothing for a second or three after you've tapped, flicked or swiped happens far too often. Which is to say, a lot, especially after it's been on for more than an hour. Fast, totally smooth transition animations are infrequent enough I'm pleasantly surprised when a desktop screen immediately and gracefully slides to the left or right without a hiccup. It's frustrating"
sounds like it doesn't that much better than hero on our g1's, which is sad for such a lovely gui.
tho I all I would really want from rosie/sense/touchflo is people/albums twitter and facebook integration as well as the twitter widget.
to really i'd love to have all the damned widgets, even the stock widget that no one here seem's to want, onyl if they could integrate it w/ google finance for the most real-time pricing available for free.
im running off on tangents tho..so i will stop..
Don't put to much stock in the engadget or gizmodo reviews. It's hard to get a earnest review of anything other than Iphones from either site. Some people in the gizmodo thread state that there is a clas4 card included with the kits, and swapping it out for a class6 makes the sluggishness go away. Apparently hero uses a swap file aswell. It would be interested to see them retest with a class6 card. Head off to some of the other sites and you will find reviews that explicitely say they DID NOT notice the sluggishness.
It's also noted that alot of the widgets only update when the phone wakes, some of that bogging could simply be the edge connections choking truing to update all the widgets, of which im sure they loaded every possible page full.
It would be very interesting to see if the class4 sd card really is the bottleneck. If it is, i would like these guys to eat crow for lunch. Even HTC is puzzled by the fact that some people report no issues, while the highest profile sites report its just abysmal. I'm getting one regardless, when the NA 3g band version is available, even if it was sluggish, one cyanogen and the gang get ahold of it, it's a wrap.
I believe Android itself is part of the bottleneck - the Dalvik VM makes everything unbearably slow. Hopefully HTC will make use of the NDK.
There are several comments from actual Hero users who say that a lot of the sluggish behaviour was gone when they didn't use the Class 4 MicroSD card and used Class 6 instead, which indicates a problem with the IO as Android uses the mem card for its swap file. That means its not the processing time when all these apps are running concurrently afterall. Food for thought..
I've read both the gizmodo and engadget reviews, as mentioned before, both sites do have a bias towards the iPhone, but I found that engadget's review of the hero to be quite objective in their testing. As for the gizmodo review, they seemed ready to hate it as soon as they didn't see an apple logo on it.
I think Hero is just poorly coded. Have you watched the logs on this thing? Providers in Providers, hundreds of BroadcastReceivers, its crazy. To do anything on the device 100 different apps wake up.
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according to this gizmodo android review, it seem's so...
http://gizmodo.com/5318860/htc-hero-review-ambitious-but-tragically-flawed
"Guts and Miscellany
Powering Hero is 528MHz processor virtually identical to one inside the Dream and Magic, and it has the same 288MB of RAM as the latter. Frankly, it's not enough. At least not with HTC's custom user interface, more than a couple of widgets and an application running. Killing all of the widgets—especially the Twitter one—does help. But moments where the phone does nothing for a second or three after you've tapped, flicked or swiped happens far too often. Which is to say, a lot, especially after it's been on for more than an hour. Fast, totally smooth transition animations are infrequent enough I'm pleasantly surprised when a desktop screen immediately and gracefully slides to the left or right without a hiccup. It's frustrating"
sounds like it doesn't that much better than hero on our g1's, which is sad for such a lovely gui.
tho I all I would really want from rosie/sense/touchflo is people/albums twitter and facebook integration as well as the twitter widget.
to really i'd love to have all the damned widgets, even the stock widget that no one here seem's to want, onyl if they could integrate it w/ google finance for the most real-time pricing available for free.
im running off on tangents tho..so i will stop..
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My G1 running Hero is NOT slow at all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxLZOhUA3R0
I don't know if you guys remember, but the original release of android was also plagued with sluggishness when it first came out. Browser scrolling was choppy, using browser and then going back home would cause a re-load (on a stock system). The hero is not much more different than then Dream in terms of hardware (the qualcomm processor uses the same ARM core, and I believe the only change between it and the Dream's is improvements in the radio), much more like the sapphire. I was too disapointed when I saw videos of the Hero device and saw slowdowns and sluggishness, and like Cyanogen pointed out, HTC basically built Touch-flo on top of running android processes without caring for either disabling or reusing them. The size of HTC's framework is about as big as the original Android system (considering how much of android they've taken off too).
I also have to wonder, though what it is people are perceiving as "speed". If, like Breakthecycle2, you're reffering to speed as just flicking the home screen from side to side without slowdown, then you're just considering the UI aspect of the whole system (and only the home app at that).
A system that runs lean, boots fast, keeps all systems shut until they're required, and is able to start them quickly on demand is really a fast system, and android sucks at that. Android is much like vista, it likes keeping the memory full and all services ready to make up for the shortcomings of running a VM, but the Dream is not a desktop computer, nor does it come equiped with 4 gb or ram where you can get away with doing just so.
I don't believe it's gonna change anymore either, programmers, companies, nobody really cares about optimizing runtimes anymore. We've been spoiled with increased capacities, speeds, etc that we're completely comforatble with wasting resources to use shortcut instead of solving challenges programatically (ie, loading up bitmaps instead of creating and using vectors, just because we have the storage for them and it's easier), and companies will settle with "good enough" or "fast enough" just to make a profit, after all, if it's selling, why spend money on improving it?
I know all Atrix users are having problems with slower data connections than using, say the iPhone 4. So I went ahead and did a quick video of, iPhone 4 and Verizon LG Vortex to show the speed difference. Clearly you can see that the Atrix is very slow in uploading, but overall was pretty close in download speeds with the iPhone 4. I have been averaging around 2.2 Mps down and .31 upload. Overall when using the Atrix phone to look up anything in the Market place or web browsing, and or using a app that requires data, it feels much faster overall. Could be that the Dual-Core is helping in this. My next video will be, comparing on the phone browsing and using data apps to compare.
Here is the link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA72kfo856w
Ya shouldn't run both ATT phones at the same time.
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Ya shouldn't run both ATT phones at the same time.
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Why its a fair real work comparison that way. No one is going to be the only one running a connection at any give time.
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Why its a fair real work comparison that way. No one is going to be the only one running a connection at any give time.
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If you are interested in testing the device's ultimate speed, you shouldn't be running the test at the same time right next to each other period. That causes channel interference (if on same carrier) which degrades performance, not to mention you are cutting available air interface resources in half in on the same channel/sector. That is not going to tell you jack **** about how the device performs (as far as above average potential) in comparison to another device on the same network...it only really shows how each device handles data in a crappy signal situation....interestingly ATT was better than VZW.
It has been demonstrated that the Atrix lacks HSUPA and will generally not perform as well as iPhone4 (or other HSUPA enabled device) until this problem is resolved.
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If you are interested in testing the device's ultimate speed, you shouldn't be running the test at the same time right next to each other period. That causes channel interference (if on same carrier) which degrades performance, not to mention you are cutting available air interface resources in half in on the same channel/sector. That is not going to tell you jack **** about how the device performs (as far as above average potential) in comparison to another device on the same network...it only really shows how each device handles data in a crappy signal situation....interestingly ATT was better than VZW.
It has been demonstrated that the Atrix lacks HSUPA and will generally not perform as well as iPhone4 (or other HSUPA enabled device) until this problem is resolved.
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I think you misunderstood what he's saying. In the real world, you could be standing next to someone else using an AT&T phone, so that interference isn't unexpected. How the device handles that kind of interference is absolutely relevant information.
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I think you misunderstood what he's saying. In the real world, you could be standing next to someone else using an AT&T phone, so that interference isn't unexpected. How the device handles that kind of interference is absolutely relevant information.
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In the real world, he probably isn't running a speedtest right when you are.
It's still pointless as if you are trying to compare device speeds on the network, you need to give them ideal conditions....otherwise you aren't comparing the devices really. This is obvious because it isn't showing the Atrix's crippled network interface.
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In the real world, he probably isn't running a speedtest right when you are.
It's still pointless as if you are trying to compare device speeds on the network, you need to give them ideal conditions....otherwise you aren't comparing the devices really. This is obvious because it isn't showing the Atrix's crippled network interface.
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I'm not even sure I understand what you're arguing. Someone next to you is not using a data connection if they're not running a speedtest? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying. The speed of the phone next to you is irrelevant. A phone pulling down 1000Mbps as opposed to 100Mbps won't magically decrease the surrounding signal. In modern devices, channel interference like that isn't really a problem anyway.
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I'm not even sure I understand what you're arguing. Someone next to you is not using a data connection if they're not running a speedtest? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying. The speed of the phone next to you is irrelevant. A phone pulling down 1000Mbps as opposed to 100Mbps won't magically decrease the surrounding signal. In modern devices, channel interference like that isn't really a problem anyway.
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Based on that statement, it looks like you really don't understand how WCDMA (or CDMA based) networks work. Channel noise, noise floor, neighboring interference etc. plays a huge part in network performance. So yes, even though signal receive strength may be very good, performance can suffer from channel noise...and I see it all the time in cell overlap areas (I live in one even).
And when you have two devices like that operating right next to each other using the same ARFCN, especially if one is in the upload portion of the test, it's going to create additional noise that the other device is going to have to fight through....then throw on top that both devices are fighting for whatever is left of free resources on the site..which is basically cutting whatever is left in half....if they are on the same sector/channel.
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Based on that statement, it looks like you really don't understand how WCDMA (or CDMA based) networks work. Channel noise, noise floor, neighboring interference etc. plays a huge part in network performance. So yes, even though signal receive strength may be very good, performance can suffer from channel noise...and I see it all the time in cell overlap areas (I live in one even).
And when you have two devices like that operating right next to each other using the same ARFCN, especially if one is in the upload portion of the test, it's going to create additional noise that the other device is going to have to fight through....then throw on top that both devices are fighting for whatever is left of free resources on the site..which is basically cutting whatever is left in half....if they are on the same sector/channel.
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I understand the theory, I've just never seen it affect a device in practice to any noticeable degree. I might get 3.15 down with no other devices nearby, and 3.14 down with several others running at once (GSM and CDMA devices).
Living in an area with several carriers fighting for the airways can impact performance, but again, I've never seen a big enough difference to care. Maybe you've just been in areas with outdated hardware or poor filtering. This is all from personal experience, however, and I live in Chicagoland where there is no shortage of service from any carrier.
I know some have said that having all 3 devices and running the test can affect the performances when running data. I was hoping to try to run a test that could show what would happen if you were out and happen to be close to other smartphones that might be accessing data.
I will post another video showing how the data performance is, by running the speed test one at a time. I did try that today, and I can say that whether I had all three running at the same time or run speed test one at a time, the speeds didn't not change much; maybe only .04 difference. So having all three running the speed test would only affect around .04 to .06 difference in download speed.
I will also do a test to compare the speed to open browser and going to websites.
Also when I was doing the speed test today with my Atrix, I was using it as a mobile hot spot to provide internet to my Samsung Galaxy Tab, and the download speeds on the Atrix was very good. I got around 3.0 Mbps down and .29 Mbps upload; which is very slow compared to my iPhone 4. Hopefully soon this will be fixed.
So in real world situations if others around me are using their phones/data I shouldn't judge how my phone performs based on that? Individual testing is fantastic, but I'm rarely the only person in the room with an AT&T smartphone so it's not practical. Everyday use throughout the day (speedtest app or not) is the only real way to judge data performance in my book.
Besides, the speedtest app can go from 1.2 to 3.4 to .08mbps in 3 consecutive tests. It's all over the place.
For browsing the Atrix should open pages quicker because the processor will help out along with the network speeds.
I am beginning to suspect that there may be a simple reason 'some' N7's are having crash issues with custom kernels/ROMs. I have a small temperature & CPO widget, and also use Sense Analog Clock w/system data, and I have been paying attention to - temperature. FULL DISCLOSURE: I use a case that is very solid and enclosing, as I travel a lot and want my N7 protected well, and that may be keeping some additional heat in via insulation.
In any event, I notice that the N7 starts out at about 79.5F, but with even moderate use, is over 85F. I use mine mostly for reading news and books, I don't play games on it, and only review the occasional youtube news video. Could the 'culprit' be simply overheating?
It would be interesting to have some small app that would record CPU, GPU & memory use, temperature, and 'crash' information - we might be able to get to the 'bottom' of the sporadic freezes/crashes that some are experiencing.
Will cross post this in a couple of places. jf
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I am beginning to suspect that there may be a simple reason 'some' N7's are having crash issues with custom kernels/ROMs. I have a small temperature & CPO widget, and also use Sense Analog Clock w/system data, and I have been paying attention to - temperature. FULL DISCLOSURE: I use a case that is very solid and enclosing, as I travel a lot and want my N7 protected well, and that may be keeping some additional heat in via insulation.
In any event, I notice that the N7 starts out at about 79.5F, but with even moderate use, is over 85F. I use mine mostly for reading news and books, I don't play games on it, and only review the occasional youtube news video. Could the 'culprit' be simply overheating?
It would be interesting to have some small app that would record CPU, GPU & memory use, temperature, and 'crash' information - we might be able to get to the 'bottom' of the sporadic freezes/crashes that some are experiencing.
Will cross post this in a couple of places. jf
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Desktop CPUs generally will run up to 85C, which is 185F. I suspect mobile CPUs are not specced nearly that high, but you have nothing to worry about there.
Are there variations, issues, solder problems? Sure, any of that could happen, and be exposed under various thermal stresses. But 85f is nothing to be concerned about.
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Desktop CPUs generally will run up to 85C, which is 185F. I suspect mobile CPUs are not specced nearly that high, but you have nothing to worry about there.
Are there variations, issues, solder problems? Sure, any of that could happen, and be exposed under various thermal stresses. But 85f is nothing to be concerned about.
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Agreed... but I'm getting that on light usage - I wonder what the game players are getting.. and if heat is causing a lot of the problems being reported on the N7 on XDA...
I use my N7 mostly for entertainment purposes, browsing the web and such. Why is it that my 6 year old single core obsolete winXP netbook can consistently out perform my my souped up 4 core tegra Nexus 7 in every respect???????????????
You're joking right... -_-
your device must be faulty then. it runs utterly butterly smooth here. don't even want to use my macbook pro compared to using the nexus depending on what i am looking for.
if you like your netbook, why bother with a nexus then. at least the nexus doesn't get bluescreens
btw: it's always nice to put a good thread title to make people able to see what you are looking for, even if they don't want to enter the thread...
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your device must be faulty then. it runs utterly butterly smooth here. don't even want to use my macbook pro compared to using the nexus depending on what i am looking for.
if you like your netbook, why bother with a nexus then. at least the nexus doesn't get bluescreens
btw: it's always nice to put a good thread title to make people able to see what you are looking for, even if they don't want to enter the thread...
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didnt say i like my netbook better, love the nexus. I challenge you to view www.washingtonpost.com on your macbook vs. your nexus and see which performs better.
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You're joking right... -_-
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didnt say i like my netbook better, love the nexus. I challenge you to view www.washingtonpost.com on your macbook vs. your nexus and see which performs better.
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And you're basing this whole "thought" of your netbook being faster on which loads a webpage better? Thats not an issue with the hardware, its more what web browser your are using on both. Even then mobile versions of full scale browsers are not the same. I just tested this with my Quadcore laptop at 2ghz compared to my N7. They both loaded at the same relative speed. You also have to factor in connection strength. The netbook will obviously have the better range distance while the N7 will have a weaker signal. I get my full 30Mbps on my latpop in my room whereas my N7 gets roughly 22mbps. You may want to base your "thoughts" on something a little more credible than loading a webpage next time.
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And you're basing this whole "thought" of your netbook being faster on which loads a webpage better? Thats not an issue with the hardware, its more what web browser your are using on both. Even then mobile versions of full scale browsers are not the same. I just tested this with my Quadcore laptop at 2ghz compared to my N7. They both loaded at the same relative speed. You also have to factor in connection strength. The netbook will obviously have the better range distance while the N7 will have a weaker signal. I get my full 30Mbps on my latpop in my room whereas my N7 gets roughly 22mbps. You may want to base your "thoughts" on something a little more credible than loading a webpage next time.
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thanks for your reply. I am not trying to be "credible" or "definitive" with my post, just making some empirical observations over the course of hours of N7 use. It is not based as you say on "a webpage". Its my sum total experience of web surfing with all of the top android browsers. My comparisons are with my wireless ap right adjacent to the N7 and netbook. Anyway, thanks for your input and running the comparison.
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thanks for your reply. I am not trying to be "credible" or "definitive" with my post, just making some empirical observations over the course of hours of N7 use. It is not based as you say on "a webpage". Its my sum total experience of web surfing with all of the top android browsers. My comparisons are with my wireless ap right adjacent to the N7 and netbook. Anyway, thanks for your input and running the comparison.
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Then next time dont make it so ludacris. "OMGZ MY N7 IS SLOW COMPARED TO MY NETBOOK" Is not the way to ask things let alone your vague title. Better question would be "Why is my netbook better at web surfing than my N7?" There are still too many factors to justify it fairly. Both using different OS's as well as web browsing software. And im sure the laptop has the site cached if you visit that site more often. So does the android browser but obviously not as efficiently. In my experience my laptop has always been faster, but its not as convenient. My laptop is quite a nuisance to carry around so the N7 would obviously be the choice.
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Then next time dont make it so ludacris. "OMGZ MY N7 IS SLOW COMPARED TO MY NETBOOK" Is not the way to ask things let alone your vague title. Better question would be "Why is my netbook better at web surfing than my N7?" There are still too many factors to justify it fairly. Both using different OS's as well as web browsing software. And im sure the laptop has the site cached if you visit that site more often. So does the android browser but obviously not as efficiently. In my experience my laptop has always been faster, but its not as convenient. My laptop is quite a nuisance to carry around so the N7 would obviously be the choice.
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comon, lets be fair. I did not say "OMGZ MY N7 IS SLOW COMPARED TO MY NETBOOK" i simply relayed my experience.
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comon, lets be fair. I did not say "OMGZ MY N7 IS SLOW COMPARED TO MY NETBOOK" i simply relayed my experience.
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Might as well..
Why is it that my 6 year old single core obsolete winXP netbook can consistently out perform my my souped up 4 core tegra Nexus 7 in every respect???????????????
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Try playing a 1080p H264 MKV video on your obsolete XP netbook..yeah, let me know how it goes.
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Try playing a 1080p H264 MKV video on your obsolete XP netbook..yeah, let me know how it goes.
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if accessed via a web link, the netbook will finish the video before the N7 renders the page
if youre using the chrome browser, try using the aosp android browser.. its MUCH faster and smoother.
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if accessed via a web link, the netbook will finish the video before the N7 renders the page
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The nexus 7 doesn't have to "render the page," you're obviously a n00b or a troll.
This isn't a forum for trolls, if you don't like the Nexus 7, get rid of it instead of making useless threads [There are already threads addressing "lag" problems].
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The nexus 7 doesn't have to "render the page," you're obviously a n00b or a troll.
This isn't a forum for trolls, if you don't like the Nexus 7, get rid of it instead of making useless threads [There are already threads addressing "lag" problems].
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the N7 certainly does render web pages. you must be a nuube or a troll. Take a moment to learn how browsers and OS's work. your useless post is not helpful or appreciated. Why would you feel the need to bring your "cyber bullying" attitude into the discussion. I asked a reasonable question in a "questions forum" based on my experience with a netbook and the N7 side by side . Never said i didnt like the nexus. People made thoughtful responses until you blundered in. Take your vitriol elsewhere.
Amazing. A lot of beating on the guy, yet NO ONE has even tried to answer his question. Typical.
gpo1956 said:
Amazing. A lot of beating on the guy, yet NO ONE has even tried to answer his question. Typical.
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thanks, ya i don't get it. I have advanced degrees in computer science and years of experience running internet tech organizations, but am the first to admit i don't know it all. Wanted to throw the question out to see what people think. There's a lot of school yard attitudes running amok in these forums. Was just hoping to learn something. good day.
patterone said:
There's a lot of school yard attitudes running amok in these forums.
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That's probably due to the fact that these forums are full of teenagers and college kids. However, your original post doesn't stray too far from some of the stupid threads these kids make.
To somewhat address your question: You've got 2 entirely different operating systems running 2 entirely different browsers on 2 different CPU architectures. I'm sure from that you could gather that due to various software limitations and the fact that Android is a mobile OS not originally designed for tablet use, it shouldn't surprise you that a full fledged desktop OS will outperform it in certain areas, even with old hardware.
gpo1956 said:
Amazing. A lot of beating on the guy, yet NO ONE has even tried to answer his question. Typical.
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I answered twice...
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ydoucare said:
That's probably due to the fact that these forums are full of teenagers and college kids. However, your original post doesn't stray too far from some of the stupid threads these kids make.
To somewhat address your question: You've got 2 entirely different operating systems running 2 entirely different browsers on 2 different CPU architectures. I'm sure from that you could gather that due to various software limitations and the fact that Android is a mobile OS not originally designed for tablet use, it shouldn't surprise you that a full fledged desktop OS will outperform it in certain areas, even with old hardware.
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The original post was not "stupid".
"it shouldn't surprise you that a full fledged desktop OS will outperform it ...." That is exactly my point, it does surprise me. I have studied the google android design philosophy briefings and the awesome N7 architecture, and see no reason why an old windoze netbook can compete with it. That was the motivation for my post.