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Root Now or Later?

Hey all,
I'm going to ordering a Nexus One is the next few days and was wondering whether I should root the device now or wait.
What I'm really wanting is to update the phone once a European flavour of the ROM is available to get multi touch support in Google Maps and the browser, as a UK version of Google Navigation (if it becomes available).
I'm a real newbie, so I may be missing something, e.g. Google Navigation for the UK could be an app on the Android Market if it becomes available.
What I really don't want to do is loose text messages, etc. By rooting the device later on. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.

There's no real instant-gratification reason to root now, IMO.
The problem with not rooting now, knowing you will root later, is that you'll wipe your phone (reinstall apps, readjust settings, lose messages, lose call logs). You're going to have to start fresh after you root.
IMO, if you know you're going to root at some point down the road, do it earlier rather than later.
I rooted my G1, but only to get A2SD. There's enough space in this phone that I don't foresee it being an issue in the near future. Plus, after a few months, my SD card kept wiping itself; I assume that's due to too much use of it. I don't expect to root my N1, but who knows, Cyanogen could come out with a superfast ROM, but the phone is so fast as it is that it seems unnecessary.
If you're a true nerd (which I am ironically ashamed to admit that I must not be) you want to root your phone ASAP, otherwise I think you can wait.
There's probably an app out there somewhere that lets you backup your texts. I know there's a Backup program for Rooted phones (Backup for root users) that is a lifesaver, but only if you have a rooted phone.
As of now, I don't think there are enough pro's to warrant rooting, but that's based on my usage -- others really want/need tethering, but that's about all you can get from rooting as of now.

SMS Backup on the Marketplace.
Done.

Just get it over with! However, if you're worried about hardware infant mortality, then, maybe wait 30-60 days. But, remember, when you flash the image to root, you'll have to wipe everything.

Thanks for the advice on the backup software.
Does anyone know if there's any chance that Google Navigation for the UK will be an app or will it be a ROM update for that as well?

The only way I think I will root my phone is if they figure out how to relock it. Im not gonna risk rooting it and then something happening and having a $560 paper weight. I paid wayyy to much for this phone to risk breaking it. If I could "un-root" the phone like you could on the G1/MT, then I would have rooted it right away.

Hold off the on rooting IMO. There aren't any real big reasons why you should want to root quite yet. No super-awesome ROMs or programs out for the N1 ATM. Give it a month and then it'll prolly be a lot more desirable.

I was an avid flasher on the g1! I paid full price on this puppy so I'm holding off. Mainly because I don't want to lose functionality.because we all know with flashing something gets broken! I don't want to lose camera or proximity sensor for a couple of seconds of speed. No offense out there to any of the great devs! I loved all the new roms but I'm gonna play safe for a while!

Nothing worth it right now.
Going to be awhile before it gets to the same point of G1 where so many good roms are out and pluses are clear.

I rooted mine as soon as I got home. Mainly because I wanted to have a poke about and have a look around.
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The only way I think I will root my phone is if they figure out how to relock it. Im not gonna risk rooting it and then something happening and having a $560 paper weight. I paid wayyy to much for this phone to risk breaking it. If I could "un-root" the phone like you could on the G1/MT, then I would have rooted it right away.
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Was gonna make a new post, but this seems more appropriate since it's on the same subject.
Is anyone working on the process of relocking / unrooting it? I know from the "How to Root Nexus One" sticky at the beginning of this area they started talking about it like they were in process, but I didn't see much else come of it before the thread got locked.
I'm very likely buying the Nexus when it hits Verizon, unless this whole Bravo / Incredible mystery unfolds and a better or more appealing option exists at or around the same time. I didn't know anything about the whole rooting business until I started looking into the Nexus and Android, so I did enough research just to sort of understand the benefits of it and kind of get what it is.
I also agree that right now it probably isn't of much use, other than obviously not wanting to have to wipe out all your stuff later on. However, I do see the benefit later on once some really good ROMs are out that cover all bases to keep original functionality and add full multi-touch, more precision to the bottom buttons sensors, maybe even more speed, etc.... I'm with who I quoted though on the fact that I'd like it to be possible to definitely put it back to original factory settings (un-rooted), incase you need warranty work done. That would be the main thing stopping me.

I hate the way stock android looks. I rooted mine so I could theme it to how I want it to look. Mine was rooted about an hour after getting it. 30 minutes longer then I was going to wait because I had a phone call.

WaveSecure is my fav app at the moment- let's you back up messages and call logs - and best of all - let's you remote wipe or kill your phone if it's stolen
Mybackup is a good one for everything including sms and bookmarks.
Astro File Manager let's you back up apps but you have to pay for the full version
I guess the biggest thing is - whether they are trusted or just pirates stealing your info ... like the Banking app scam a few weeks ago ...
I just don't know anymore...

[Q] Selling Evo...should I unroot?

I've an HTC Evo that's been rooted using unrevoked3 and flashed with Cyanogenmod 6.1.2. I'm planning on selling the phone but am curious what the general opinion is regarding doing so with a custom rom installed? Should I unroot and get back to factory default before selling or simply sell it as is?

i dont know...
but if I was John Doe... and wanted root, but was always scared to. I think it would be a Plus for a lot that it has ROOT and ROMed for better performance and battery life.
You should put in your ad...will put back to stock if you want.
put all the files for rooting, unrooting, ROMs, and mods that you have for the evo.. in to the sdcard...under 1 directory. do quick write up on how to instructions for all. links to the web instructions.

but if I was John Doe... and wanted root, but was always scared to. I think it would be a Plus for a lot that it has ROOT and ROMed for better performance and battery life.
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And I could also see people that are worried about it, and just want a stock phone in case they have problems and need to go back to the sprint store.
I would tell people in the ad, that the phone can either come rooted or stock, that way to appeal to both groups of people.

Maybe you should ask the buyer if he or she wants the phone rooted or not

Thank you all for your quick responses. I believe my question has been answered. I think the proper thing to do would be to unroot and reset to factory defaults for warranty purposes and provide the option of rooting should the buyer desire to receive the phone in a rooted state.

I say rooted phones have more value, some people dont wanna go through the process themselves, but like the person above me said, you should ask. You also might get some people asking whats root....which is weird and funny from our perspective, but theres normal people out there that want evo's dont forget

Give the buyer options, but since it is already rooted leave it that way until the buyer decides. why go through unrooting it until you know how the buyer wants it.

Unroot it is the best option, you might like CM but the buyer probably won't. I've seen so many posts of people having problems going back to stock and getting boot looped or stuck on boot screen. If you sell them a rooted phone then they won't be able to go back to Sprint for help and they will be screwed. Which means they will give you negative feedback or force a refund from paypal because you sold them a broken phone. Trust me, in the long run they want a stock phone and let them take the risk of rooting or you will have a lot of headaches.

Be honest with the customer. Sell what you have done to the phone as high points. I sold my old hero for $50 more than the going rate on CL because I created value in the eyes of the consumer through marketing. I also solicited my services should they have an issue software wise with the phone or if they ever had to take it into sprint for repair.

Indicate in the ad that the phone gets much better battery life because of customizations, cpu tweaks, etc as compared to stock. However do offer the option of bringing it to a fully stock state if the buyer chooses. The point about bringing it back to sprint is not withstanding. Anyone with half a clue realizes buying through such channels is on as is basis.

The words "as is" shoots into my mind

[Q] Droid2 w/Gingerbread 2.3.3 Prep for use. Another Droid2 w/ bricked D2.3.7 loaded.

Hi everyone,
Recently, a friend gave me my first Droid phone. It is a Droid2 A955 which had 2.3.20, and a cracked digitizer. My intentions were to get this device functional and rooted before replacing the digitizer. Well, like a tard, I let the device update to 2.3.4, and like an even bigger tard, I attempted to load the 2.3.3 SBF without doing my research first. Oops. Wait, scratch that. Big oops.
Now I am sure all of you know what the end result of that was, and you don't have to rub my head in the sand over it because I've been doing that for about a day now myself!!!
Either way, I have found someone who is willing to sell me their "went to collections" Droid2, with accessories, extra battery, and whatnot for around $50.. Their Droid2 already has Gingerbread 2.3.3 on it. I got him to give me the MEID, and I changed the MEID through VZW site on my "spare phone", and had him *22899 to OTA. All was successful, so it is free and clear for me to immediately activate and start using.
Here is what I need to know before I go messing with this phone, because I definitely can't afford to FF the bits on this phone up, especially when I'm having to pay for it, if you know what I mean!
1. From research, Droid 2 Gingerbread 2.3.3 can be rooted. How complex of a task is it? In fact, exactly what does "root" allow one to do? About the only real goal I have is to sparingly tether my laptop via wifi without having to sacrifice my soul to Verizon each month.
2. I understand that this phone will "nag" you to 2.3.4 and will automagically do the update if you don't stop it in 30 seconds, very much like my Droid2 did. What can I do to permanently disable the 2.3.4 update check once I have this functioning 2.3.3?
3. There is supposedly an "X" button that you push with the power button to enter RECOVERY MODE... Just what, exactly, is the "X" key?
I don't want another repeat of the D2.3.7 MEM_BLANK screen.
Actually, playing around, I was able to take the D2.3.7 down to D2.3.5, but unfortunately it still refused to take the stock Froyo flash or the 2.3.3. Is there earlier "bootloaders" SBF's out there that can be loaded into the Droid that *maybe* will allow us to unbrick them? When the memory is blank (according to MEM_BLANK), what is preventing the phone from committing the flash?? Mine stops at 99% and cries about something dealing with "BP". As if the bootloader is refusing to commit the flash to ROM after being uploaded into the phone's RAM.
Either way the Bootloader Screen displays Battery Low, so I'm spent trying to revive this device until I get the other one from my friend tomorrow.
I don't understand what is part of this Bootloader that is preventing us from fixing this. Better yet, I can't understand how Motorola would do such a shameful act of sabotage against their customers. I've been a hardcore Motorola fan since the StarTac/TimePort days, and Motorola has always been my #1 phone of choice. Not just because of its stability and reliability, but how easy they are to "monster flash" back to factory when things go crazy. Maybe I should just stick with my Razr MAXX and be a happy little boy.
I have noticed the 2.3.4 Gingerbread has been leaked for the Droid2 Global. It is not compatible with the regular Droid 2, unfortunately, and I hope that enough people are interested in restoring these bricks that some solution is released to bring them back to life.
I am reading that people are taking "backup repair" ROM's and storing them to the MicroSD card, and successfully wiping .621 from the device and reverting to a previous version. What is the odds of getting a "backup rom" from a 2.3.3 Gingerbread, or whatever device, and using that backup to unbrick the bricked pones because of .621? I don't know, because my experience with the Droid involved about 3 hours before I was at the Bootloader error screen. LMAO!
I am just trying to throw some ideas out there, because, the last time I flashed firmware on a phone, it was the Motorola V710, E815, RAZR, RAZR MAXX, v325(i), and a slew of LG's. The last "Smartphone" I flashed was the XV6700 (that WM5 phone was hilarious with the Apache WM6.0 code on it). So, as you can tell, I'm a little behind on the times, but I'm not too far behind you guys.
I thought about calling and complaining that this update "screwed my phone up" but I am also concerned if I have to return the core of this phone, and they see how bad the digitizer is in, I'm going to get a heaping bill. Either way it worked fine with the cracked digitizer, it was ultimately their software that crashed the device. Guess I could order and replace the digitizer and get them to replace it, but I'm not 100% positive they would still replace the device since it's technically not "under warranty." May be one of those "I'm out of contract you make this right or US Cellular is opening us with open arms"....
PS-- I used to be a VZW Customer Support/Service Techican. Back in my day we could get whatever firmware we needed through NetAce from "InfoCenter", not just for Moto phones, but LG and all the other devices as well. On some "returns" we had no choice but to do a factory "Monster Flash" in order to rid of the previous customer's data and bring the phone back to virgin status. I don't know how things are inside the Tech's office these days, though. Maybe I should call my Service Techs who still have jobs and see what they can do (I prefer not to get them involved because I don't want them risking their job).
I've also replaced many of the digitizers in these Droid 2's for my friends. They're a pain in the @$$, but retail on these puppies aren't exactly cheap, either.
Any advice you guys can give me would be greatly appreciated. Also, please be honest with me. Don't sugarcoat ****. If you guys don't think this phone is going to work right under "root" conditions with 2.3.3, or the phone simply isn't worth $50, please let me know!
Thank all of you!

Droid Root 2.3.3
Thanks for your help guys.
I have the Droid, same Bootloader 2.3.7 as my bricked one, but it is at Gingerbread 2.3.3.
I was able to get "MotorolaOneClick" to load Superuser to the device.
Now there are two things I need to accomplish
1. Unlock tethering
2. Disable device from taking 2.3.4 OTA
I think if I can get these two things taken care of, I'm golden.

You can find everything you need to do both if you search the site. Shouldn't be a problem.

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I am pretty sure I have taken care of preventing update to 2.3.4.
But I am still having trouble getting tethering to properly work.
Downloaded the Wifi Tether.
Still get paywall screen.
Close Wifi Tether.
Get paywall screen through the phone!!!
Have to reboot.
Also out of curiosity, does the speaker (not speakerphone) sound like you need a hearing aid??? The speaker in this Droid 2 is absolutely horrendous, sounds like I'm trying to listen to an XV6700.

Soft Speaker!
OK, I think the speaker is ok in this phone, but I am determined this mesh screen covering it is completely clogged. Time to get a fresh box cutter (closest thing I have to an xacto knife at the moment) and carefully cut this thing out. I don't have a T3 at the moment, and quite frankly, I don't want to tear 5 or 6 layers apart to tear this clogged screen out!! Either way, if things go sinister, I still have the busted up Droid 2 to take the speaker out of (Or the entire ribbon from what my research reveals).
I can tell you this much. I wish I had the previous owners set of ears. I bet he could hear a pin drop a mile away if he was able to hear the sound out of this thing. Then again, I am used to volume levels from REAL Motorola phones, I was swapping between the v325i and Razr MAXX previous to this Droid 2, and was truly expecting the same sound quality with this phone.

Done
So I finally got tethering enabled without having to sell my soul to Verizon. There really wasn't a clear-cut way of doing it. But here is what it took.
1. Install Droid 2 Recovery Bootstrap v1.0.0.3.apk
2. Place TBH_D2_Tether_Patch_1.0.zip in root of SD Card.
3. Run the Recovery Bootstrap, then reboot (through the Recovery Boot program).
4. Install the ZIP from SD Card.
a. It makes 4 NV changes.
5. Reboot and exit from the Recovery Bootstrap.
Now I can tether through the built-in 3G Hotspot app, and the "Wifi Tether" app I downloaded also works and doesn't send the cellphone to the paywall.
PS---How do you guys communicate through these forums??? Just trying to get the captcha right takes like 45 minutes.

Just purchased a MXP and have questions

While I wait for the arrival of my MXP I have some questions for the community so that I can hit the ground running. First thing, I'd like to unlock my boot loader but I was just curious if there is a way to re-lock it afterwards just in case I need to send in for repairs or something along those lines? Also wondering about VOLTE support. I see some roms that state they have it working but is this a stock feature or do I need to use a custom ROM to get VOLTE to function? Also is there any known method of rooting without unlocking the boot loader just in case re-locking it is not possible? Thanks for the help everyone.
I am coming from a g920a. That phone is torture for someone like me who likes stock Android and rooted devices. Probably the worst phone I have ever had. Can't wait to get my hands on my MXP and leaves this piece of junk behind!

I'm on Verizon and I can confirm it supports advanced calling, which is VoLTE as far as I know but it might require turning it on at the provider level.
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I haven't messed with VoLTE yet so I can't answer those questions, but as for your others: The bootloader can be relocked, but the unlock method involves submitting an unlock request code to motorola, and they immediately email you an unlock key, along with a warning about voiding your warranty, so even relocking it does not unvoid your warranty. HOWEVER, it only voids your warranty for software issues. If it's a hardware problem unrelated to the bootloader being unlocked, they'll still handle it, and accidental drops and things are still covered if you buy an accidental damage warrenty. Also, as far as I know there is still no way to root without unlocking the bootloader.

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squallz506 said:
Volte is only available on stock roms.
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I thought this had been fixed on AICP based ROMS?
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countryfolk07 said:
I thought this had been fixed on AICP based ROMS?
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Whoops, yeah I guess they fixed it down the line. Sorry, I've been enjoying stock+xposed too much to follow custom development.
Edit: also root without bootloader unlock will likely never happen. We have a root method already, so there's no incentive to find another method.

The answer you seek was right in the first page of this forum....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-style/general/moto-x-style-how-to-unlock-bootloader-t3192140
That being said, I would consider waiting until after Marshmallow drops before you unlock your bootloader so as not to interfere with any OTA's. Conventional wisdom is that it is coming within the next few weeks as the "test drive" has already started and a "soak test" should follow shortly.

yeah i know it can be unlocked I already read that post. I would not have gotten this phone if the boot loader was not un-lockable. That's the whole reason I am moving away from my AT&T Galaxy s6. I was just trying to clarify if re-locking made any difference as far as the warranty is concerned. I appreciate the answers guys. Just trying to determine if I should keep it stock or use a custom ROM out of the box. Sounds like I will go stock for the time being. Now as far as unlocked boot loaders interfering with OTA's? Is this really a thing? And wouldn't somebody just post the OTA image on the forums when its ready anyway?

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yeah i know it can be unlocked I already read that post. I would not have gotten this phone if the boot loader was not un-lockable. That's the whole reason I am moving away from my AT&T Galaxy s6. I was just trying to clarify if re-locking made any difference as far as the warranty is concerned. I appreciate the answers guys. Just trying to determine if I should keep it stock or use a custom ROM out of the box. Sounds like I will go stock for the time being. Now as far as unlocked boot loaders interfering with OTA's? Is this really a thing? And wouldn't somebody just post the OTA image on the forums when its ready anyway?
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Well as to it being a thing, I certainly can't say for sure. But what reason is there to unlock the bootloader if you're not going to root? And once you do that, you almost certainly will not get OTA's. What am I missing? Is there another reason you are looking to unlock?
The one thing I don't know is if there a some type of a "tamper flag" that would require something like triangle away.
You don't think you could just do a fastboot oem lock?

Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again

timde9 said:
Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again
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I'd still recommend waiting at least a couple of weeks to see if Marshmallow shows up!
I'm coming to the MXPE from a OnePlus One which I have to say was one of the funnest phones I've ever owned. I wasiunlocked, rooted and flashing CM12.1 nightlies about twice a week.
I thought I would miss it, but so far so good on the MXPE without rooting. We'll have to see what happens after MM drops. I'd like to get it rooted, but I haven't done nearly the amount of modding you've done.
Good luck with your phone. I can honestly tell you it's a really nice device!

While its tempting to wait for marshmallow to show I cannot live without root any longer. I have already been without it for months because of this damn s6. I'm sure someone will upload the OTA as soon as it's available so I'll just flash it when the time comes.

timde9 said:
Sorry to give you the wrong impression but I fully intend to root and also install Xposed and all that good stuff. There are a lot of things I need that require these things such as BubbleUPNP's audio cast feature, and of course the all powerful AdAway and YouTube AdAway in addition to Titanium Backup and Viper4Android etc. I normally use that stuff every day and so dealing with my last phone was like living in Android Hell. All the great hardware but software that was hopelessly mangled un-rootable and just sad for such a powerful device as the s6. Being able to have these things back is my number one reason for buying this phone so you best believe that's the very first thing I will do once it comes in lol. The only reason I am so concerned about the warranty is because I have needed it in the past for several other devices and so don't want do something that is un-doable. But from the sounds of it this will only affect me if the software causes the defect and I am fairly confident I can fix anything software related all by myself. Mostly only concerned about hardware defects and if they will still be covered that is just perfect.
And already I am feeling the difference here in this part of xda. The forums for the g920-a are like calling out into the dessert, and in no time at all you guys have address my major concerns. Thanks again
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Well if you're an xposed user you should root immediately with no concern about the 6.0 OTA, since xposed doesn't work on 6.0. I'm not moving to 6.0, myself, until xposed is released for it. I use xposed modules everyday and am not giving it up, not even for doze mode.

That's kinda how I am feeling as well. I can achieve similar results to doze with the xposed app amplify with enough tweaking so its not a big deal.

H820 OTA Update Aug 18

E: The Unsolicited OTA Update, or Why I'm Leaving This Phone. See post 3 for details.
I got a notice that there is an update for at least the ATT 820 variant of the G5 today. I'm not going to flash it until someone else does or we have a changelog, I dont want to ruin any potential root capabilities we might be looking into at the moment. Does anyone have any information on it? Guessing it's an attempt to close up some of the QuadRooter vulnerabilities, but that's just a guess.
Any info here?
E: Contacted both LG and ATT. Supposedly it's just to enable wifi calling and nothing else, but they didn't offer a changelog or anything so I'm not going to flash it as I don't care about that functionality.

I updated for the hell of it.
3 out of 4 vulnerabilities have been patched. Along with this, I've immediately noticed they added the normal launcher with app drawer. Much nicer.
Figured I'd take one for the team on this one...so if you want root, I'd suggest blocking this update as long as possible.

Update time. So, I didn't initiate the update. I didn't want to install it at all. I look down at my phone this afternoon and it says update on progress... Nice. OK, fine whatever.
Now there's a persistent notification in the pull-down whenever you don't have mobile data enabled. And you can't get rid of it unless you turn on mobile data.
Sorry, but **** this. I'm getting rid of the phone. This is ridiculous.
Screenshot attached. Returning the phone and probably just going to get another G3 that I "upgraded" from. Pity, I liked this phone, lots of potential but I can't handle no root, bootloader lock, ads, ads, ads, ads, and persistent notifications. I just honestly don't see how anyone can handle a phone without root and adblock these days. I also can't understand how if a consumer spends $600+ for a device that they cannot do whatever they wish to it. Brick it, throw it in the ocean, root it. Imagine if computers all came with a locked administrator account. Absurd.

Lol i will never root my device, last time i did, i ****ed it up, so i am happy with my stock lg g5, i will never root anyphone

I'm also not digging the H82011K OTA as it rendered my favorite data saving app unusable.
I was very happy with my rooted/rom'ed G3 until a bad CM13 nightly fried the motherboard. Now I've been suffering the life of G5 over a month and while it's not terrible (Adguard helps) it's just not the same. I'd still like to repair that G3 someday if I ever get the time/ patience to get around to it...

Nowadays people don't root often your phones because the software is getting better. If this is your first priority, you should get something like the Oneplus 3.

jreed3786 said:
3 out of 4 vulnerabilities have been patched. Along with this, I've immediately noticed they added the normal launcher with app drawer. Much nicer.
Figured I'd take one for the team on this one...so if you want root, I'd suggest blocking this update as long as possible.
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mrhizzo said:
Nowadays people don't root often your phones because the software is getting better. If this is your first priority, you should get something like the Oneplus 3.
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Really wondering which oem (and when ?) will jump first on kernel_version 4.x with possible "Live Patching"...

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Really wondering which oem (and when ?) will jump first on kernel_version 4.x with possible "Live Patching"...
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As far as "Live Patching" is concerned, I hope none of them do - ever. If I wanted my devices hijacked and tampered with behind my back I'd use Windows 10. This sounds bad for freedom within the Android community (why many chose it over iOS in the first place).

PHYCLOPSH said:
I'm also not digging the H82011K OTA as it rendered my favorite data saving app unusable.
I was very happy with my rooted/rom'ed G3 until a bad CM13 nightly fried the motherboard. Now I've been suffering the life of G5 over a month and while it's not terrible (Adguard helps) it's just not the same. I'd still like to repair that G3 someday if I ever get the time/ patience to get around to it...
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Shouldn't take more than a half hour. I replaced the broken screen and digitizer on my G3 after I dropped it on its face. Pretty easy really, the hardest part of getting the screen off was just getting the adhesive separated from the screen > body. Not bad at all. The board would be easier, it comes out as a piece.
Reason I downgraded to a G5 from my G3 is because even though the replacement screen was LG branded, it still had quirks... I'd be typing something and suddenly "This is a sentence I'm typinng aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
Super annoying. But honestly, not as annoying as the newest G5 update + ads ads ads ads...