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X10, will be updated Eclair or to Froyo? What do you think?

After the last news that they say that in May probably there should promise to be Android 2.2 (Froyo): what do you think that it will do SonyEricsson? Will it update 2.1 (eclair) or to 2.2 (Froyo)?
I think that if it updates Eclair(2.1) it will be an error because Froyo has many progress
Rgds

SE will not update to a system that is not available during the updateprocess...

who says it's unavailable? to you and me, maybe

Yes well.. It's still undergoing production and isn't done.

I bet that the update will be to 2.1: they have started the work on 1.6 and they have released the phone with 1.6 even if 2.1 was already available for months. SE will probably never update to 2.2.

i don't know...i wouldn't be so sure of it
even tho Froyo is "undergoing production" that doesn't mean that they can't be working together with google or whoever's developing it and test it on the way it's being done
if that weren't possible than that would mean that first we'd have to wait for Froyo to come out and then NO phone in general would have it for months until the phones are adjusted, that to me doesn't make sense
it's like saying windows 8 is awailable but none of you can install it on your system until we've adjusted it
if you get my point...

giddorah said:
SE will not update to a system that is not available during the updateprocess...
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That already, it is logical, but SE has said that it will update 2.1 in September, that's why he was asking about it because it is supposed that in September Froyo 2.2 will have already gone out

X10 will be a constantly the 'last version' phone. We're stuck with 1.6 when 2.1 is out in the wild, and we will be stuck with 2.1 when all other phones have 2.2.

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That already, it is logical, but SE has said that it will update 2.1 in September, that's why he was asking about it because it is supposed that in September Froyo 2.2 will have already gone out
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SE's comments regarding upgrades were all part of the below article: can you please tell me where in there Harold de Kort (Communications Manager at Sony Ericsson) states that the X10 will be upgraded specifically to Android 2.1, or where he mentions "September" as a release date?
Major update for Xperia X10 after Summer
In the final paragraph the writer even states specifically that SE hasn't stated which version of the Android SE will be going to with the X10:
Although Sony Ericssn has to make her own interface available for a higher version of Android, the interface will not chage a lot. Sony Ericsson herself does not make a statement on which version of Android the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 will receive in the second half of this year and therefore doesn't confirm that it will concern an Android 2.1 update.
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The info you are referencing comes from a post on Engadget from late last week which was unsubstantiated rumor from a "trusted" but un-named source who was wrong on in regards to his claim that 2.1 would bring multi-touch to the X10. I wouldn't put any stock in the rest of his claims.

ShadowFlare said:
X10 will be a constantly the 'last version' phone. We're stuck with 1.6 when 2.1 is out in the wild, and we will be stuck with 2.1 when all other phones have 2.2.
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This is not necessarily a bad thing. This means that we will always have a stable and well known platform. If SE would apply the policy to always updated the phone to the second last version, it would be great. But my fear is that, as usual with SE, we will not get too many updates, maybe only one major update and then a minor bug fixing update. Then the phone will be "abandonware"... like the Xperia X1.

lornova said:
This is not necessarily a bad thing. This means that we will always have a stable and well known platform. If SE would apply the policy to always updated the phone to the second last version, it would be great. But my fear is that, as usual with SE, we will not get too many updates, maybe only one major update and then a minor bug fixing update. Then the phone will be "abandonware"... like the Xperia X1.
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perhaps not so much a problem with the X10 - being Android based it will be easier for them to upgrade the base OS.. unless they have a complete change of direction with their own overlay... (which wouldn't surprise me!)

im_iceman said:
perhaps not so much a problem with the X10 - being Android based it will be easier for them to upgrade the base OS.. unless they have a complete change of direction with their own overlay... (which wouldn't surprise me!)
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Come on, it was not so difficult to upgrade the X1 from Windows Mobile 6.1 to 6.5, and all the buyers would have been happy. This way, SE has just collected a lot of unhappy or angry customers. Moreover, this has been always the habit of SE: abandon the development of their phone after the release and leave the customers with bugs and issues. I really hope they've changed they strategy.

lornova said:
Come on, it was not so difficult to upgrade the X1 from Windows Mobile 6.1 to 6.5, and all the buyers would have been happy. This way, SE has just collected a lot of unhappy or angry customers. Moreover, this has been always the habit of SE: abandon the development of their phone after the release and leave the customers with bugs and issues. I really hope they've changed they strategy.
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To my understanding, most WinMo 6.1 devices weren't upgraded to WinMo 6.5. My iPAQ 910c certainly wasn't.

I'm not confident that the x10 itself will receive an update at all. This is my 3rd Android device and my first SE device.
As a result of all the nonsense surrounding MT and colour support I've lost faith in SE already.
I think there xperia line will have upgraded OS's, but I don't know about the X10.
I've never had this much trouble with HTC devices (but I guess that has been down to this forum).

I'm not confident that the x10 itself will receive an update at all. This is my 3rd Android device and my first SE device.
As a result of all the nonsense surrounding MT and colour support I've lost faith in SE already.
I think there xperia line will have upgraded OS's, but I don't know about the X10.
I've never had this much trouble with HTC devices (but I guess that has been down to this forum).
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well htc too have been mischievous in releasing updates fr their fones.. hd was never upgraded to 6.5... there r no promises tht hd2 will get win 7.. atleast se has promised a 2.X update..
btw this is my first se device nd i am quite impresses... i used lots of htc devices and was hpy wid dem..

saltorio said:
To my understanding, most WinMo 6.1 devices weren't upgraded to WinMo 6.5. My iPAQ 910c certainly wasn't.
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You are right. However, it is not a good way to keep customers. And SE has already a constantly decrease in market share, and I think that the only way to reverse that trend is to build the reputation of a very high customer satisfaction. For smarphones, this means frequent and effective software updates.

Fair enough.
I just think that if they can take so long, to release their flagship handset in first place, and taking their supposed track record into account. Should we really expect 2.1 at least anytime soon?
After taking all those extra months to get the device ready for consumers, they release a device with a substandard input method, slow camera speed and poor in call volume.
Their famed customizations also have issues. Timescape is slow and on occasion I have to press keys several times for the system to register my input (mediascape).
We should be worrying about stability and and performance updates on 1.6 before we consider 2x.
This phone has so much potential but it still seems like a prototype to me.

yea it desperately needs an update. having said that, even though its running 1.6, it DOES have the latest kernel dosent it?
i'm hoping the fact that it comes with a 2 year warranty instead of the 1 year all other phones come with is an indication that we'll get reasonable updates past a year.
also- SE was the first to acknowledge the existance of 2.2, remember? when some guy mentioned the x10 will get 2.x

A Sony Ericsson rep confirmed to me that it will be a 2.x update in Sept.
She also said that their reasoning behind 1.6 was to ensure network compatibility so it could be sold across all networks, but I'm not sure if that makes much sense.

I am pretty sure that the gyus here at XDA will do something for us if SE will not give the right version in time. I had 6.5 on X1 for more than 9 months without any SE involement
Mugur
http://mugur-ionescu.ro

NO 2.1 we want 2.2 for X10!

2.2 is wonderful! X10 can handle it very well!
let's e-mail to SE to express our idea!

if the x10 can be rooted, does that mean that we technically would be able to run froyo on it ? 2.2

i hope so .

Yeah, i saw some vidoes of 2.2 on youtube and i was left feeling really jealous of the nexus one people that will get it!
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when it comes for my x10 ?

se has promised 2.1 and froyo would take another 4 months ..

jnd16d said:
when it comes for my x10 ?
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we willnever get it without root

look at the company that respect their customers http://www.gsmarena.com/all_the_latest_htc_android_phones_will_get_the_froyo_treatment-news-1674.php after only one day of announcement of the new android ,they announced that all their devices will get it before the end of the year ,(ofcource you all know which company iam talking about )

ok,
froyo looks good, very good.
2.1 in Q2010/4 and 2.2 in Q2011/1 for x10 makes no sense.
That means there are a some reasons why SE could stick to 2.1/Q4:
- SE plans a X10 sucessor for Q4 with froyo (including multitouch)
- google wants to have a clean froyo/hardware base, which could mean all f froyo-devices should have multitouch
- ?
- SE is cool or clever enough (like HTC) and announce 2.2/froyo for all X10 device-classes and cancels the 2.1 update

meta96 said:
froyo looks good, very good.
2.1 in Q2010/4 and 2.2 in Q2011/1 for x10 makes no sense.
That means there are a some reasons why SE could stick to 2.1/Q4:
- SE plans a X10 sucessor for Q4 with froyo (including multitouch)
- google wants to have a clean froyo/hardware base, which could mean all f froyo-devices should have multitouch
- ?
- SE is cool or clever enough (like HTC) and announce 2.2/froyo for all X10 device-classes and cancels the 2.1 update
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from where didi you got your info SE didnot canclled 2.1 never said any thing about 2.2

especially since its just been announced that flash will need 2.2 as a minumum.

hoss_n2 said:
from where didi you got your info SE didnot canclled 2.1 never said any thing about 2.2
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problem is, companies are not as stupid as we sometimes thinks. they just make sometimes the wrong desicions.
the x10 has no multi/dualtouch maybe the big screen & dual/multi was (last year) to expensive/not avaible.
To annouce 2.1 two weeks before google I/O is also very stupid, because everyone knows that 2.2 will come at google I/O
... so there must be a reason, maybe a reason SE knows before (e.g. google wants froyo only on multitouch devices, maybe,
look, there is no HTC Legend in the HTC - 2.2 update list) so SE had to announce 2.1 before google I/O . If this is correct we only can hope ...
Second time in my life i have to thank adobe, because flash 10.1 needs 2.2 and this could change everything.
The X10 devices (mini, etc.) and SE cannot survive beside the desire/nexus without flash ... so next week(s), we will see ...

I sincerely hope that Sony Ericsson Xperia to update to Froyo, because if do not update, Sony will be out of the game.
Consumers are not stupid. Not sell any telephone.
I will never again buy a Sony product.

The truth and we really know this already is that we will not see an official update from Sony to the xperia x10 in 2010.
We really need to face this and realize its just NOT going to happen. I am not being negative just realistic.
Our only hope is for the guys on the development side come up with a way to root the x10 and get it to run froyo. But an official update from Sony is VERY unlikely!

meta96 said:
Second time in my life i have to thank adobe, because flash 10.1 needs 2.2 and this could change everything.
The X10 devices (mini, etc.) and SE cannot survive beside the desire/nexus without flash ... so next week(s), we will see ...
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Yeah, I hope google isn't trying to set a baseline for 2.2+ with multitouch as a requirement.
But I do agree with this. Flash could just save us...
Oh and cmboud, we will see an update from SE this year. The problem is if it is the update we want or not

Maybe it sounds stupid but how about a petition? As long its post on multiple forums we can get lots of people, what you think?I willing to start it,just need someone to write me a good intro for it since my english is not the best as you probably have noticed.

It sounds like a good idea but I'm pretty sure it's something that they already know, of COURSE we want the latest and greatest, that's why we choose this phone most likely.
I don't belive a petition will resolve anything in our favour - if they could announce 2.2 they would - it would sell more handsets!
my .02

On a norwegian mobile site mobilen.no, stated:
HTC say they will make 2.2 available on phones that are launched this year, writes Phandroid.com.
The Sony Ericsson says the long term will make 2.2 available for its Xperia X10 models. Here we are waiting still on version 2.1.
http://mobilen.no/wip4/fullt-godbiter-android-2-2/d.epl?id=44606
How long we (X10 owners) have to wait? *Wondering*

An online petition could be a great thing if we wouldn't talk about SE. What do you think will happen? Where to send this petition?
Send it to SE vie email?
Hmmm let me think we will get an answer like "Thank you for your opinion, try to update your x10 via SEUS...blablabla"
Call the Support and inform them about the petition?
The answer would be something like "Don't believe the internet!! The X10 works fine. Try an Update via SEUS... blablabla"
What should we write into that petition? Give us 2.2?
Answer "There will be an Update to 2.1 in Q4... Thank you"
Fix the battery issues
Answer "Thank you very much for your contact, there will be an update try SEUS... blablabla"
Or better "Battery issues? Don't belive the internet!"
I think it's very poor that such a big company doen't care at all about their customers. If SE doen't come up with some ass kicking updates in the next months this was my last SE device.

2.1 in Q3

blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/06/16/x8-announcement-and-xperia-updates/
I smell "No x10 firmware update until Q3"....

disroyal said:
blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/06/16/x8-announcement-and-xperia-updates/
I smell "No x10 firmware update until Q3"....
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omg yeah just read this in a tweet! does this mean Q4 we get 2.2!? dammit just release it already!!!!

kmaximax said:
omg yeah just read this in a tweet! does this mean Q4 we get 2.2!? dammit just release it already!!!!
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Well the 2.2 isn't even mentioned, i doubt we will get it in this year.
BTW, great news, so we will get the 2.1 somewhere near september, not bad.

We are of course very glad to offer this upgrade earlier than originally planned. Xperia™ X10’s position will also be further strengthened through the addition of HD video recording as part of the same Q3 upgrade. A further upgrade to the Xperia™ X10 in Q4 will make it possible to connect and display wirelessly content on your television and enhance the Timescape™ and Mediascape applications.
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Froyo (wifi hotspot) hint?

Yes, read it on Easto, Such a great news And Mikrokiwi, You've a point

dlna
they mean

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dlna
they mean
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oh yea, makes sense
I've heard that they will skip froyo and move on to gingerbread anyway, but that is just pure speculations/rumors as always ^^

I really wish I could believe them when they say Q3...
The good thing is that we have a fairly functional Donut, we could've been stuck on a stock version and that would've been painful. When you avoid the cool but oh so slow stock apps like Timescape and add some stuff from the market it's a really nice OS.
What would be awesome though was if we could get vanilla images without all the extra stuff bolted on and the ability to customise it fully. But without root that's not gonna happen. :/

Sounds like the root news has scared them abit lol

Nice move SE
That's good to hear. I see where SE is going with this. Previously they planned one big 2.1 update on Q4 but after receiving numerous complaints they divided it into "2 phases" updates in Q3 and Q4. It’s clear from the announcement that the promised DLNA support along with other features will be postponed until phase 2 on Q4.

mikrokiwi said:
Froyo (wifi hotspot) hint?
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I think its more about Google TV. Probably u can use ur phone as remote or so.

Don't you just love how NOTHING about that small update was mentioned? Did they just stop with that one all together, or what?

great news!!! seems that SE started to listen to the market and customers. love SE!!!

so the first rollout will be september 30th! Just keep that in your mind and you will be ok!

Hopeful, but im still doubtful. Time will tell so lets hope they get it right.
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Theaccomplice88 said:
Don't you just love how NOTHING about that small update was mentioned? Did they just stop with that one all together, or what?
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* Apologies. I am aware that we haven’t followed up on the post re smaller software update that Sumit did a couple of weeks ago. We will get back to you with more info on this very shortly (read very shortly)
Wouldnt that be a little info?

At least it sounds like they're starting to listen to their customers "a little".
To survive on the market they have to provide smaller, faster update cycles. It's the new model to stay competitive. Releasing monolithic updates that take forever just doesn't work anymore because there are so many other alternatives available and people don't have to wait. They'll just move on and then all the work put into the update is wasted because no one is using your product.
So fingers crossed.

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At least it sounds like they're starting to listen to their customers "a little".
To survive on the market they have to provide smaller, faster update cycles. It's the new model to stay competitive. Releasing monolithic updates that take forever just doesn't work anymore because there are so many other alternatives available and people don't have to wait. They'll just move on and then all the work put into the update is wasted because no one is using your product.
So fingers crossed.
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That's not how SE thinks and works. A more obvious explanation would be the Release of the X8 , so they try to push the Phone ASAP to the market and as both Phones, with slightly differences , have the same Specs they try to get the X8 on the market WITH Android 2.1 , so they have to hurry up and as they do 2.1 for the X8 they spend the update to the X10 a bit earlier. SE learned how the market reacted to their release of the X10 with Android 1.6 and I'm almost sure they won't do the same mistake with the X8.
SE is pushing new Models to the market very quick and they want to sell them all. When we get 2.1 we can be happy because i don't see a further Release of 2.2 or higher for the X10 , this will be exclusive for their new Flagships.

All android phones shall be getting updates.
The only way flagships shall differ will be through hardware.
From a reliable source.

se_dude said:
All android phones shall be getting updates.
The only way flagships shall differ will be through hardware.
From a reliable source.
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So all devices will have outdated OS:es, but flagships will have beefier hardware they can't use?

Bad News for Xperians!!!! :(

While I was browsing, I found this!!!
http://www.slashgear.com/sony-ericsson-confirm-no-froyo-for-xperia-x10-06123921/
they said there will be no froyo or gingerbread update for the Xperia Line up!!! Ohno!!!

We all know that. It`s confirmed after the announce of the Xperia Arc

wow
that is like news old like 6 months... even sony-ericsson guy on their blog wrote that... becouse they are pushing some new PSP phone... or something like that...

so sadddddd

not dev related, moved to general
Best, DK

SE don't want to update their current android phones because of marketing.
people will have to buy xperia arc to get android 2.3. good for their bussiness. this is how it's work.

propc said:
SE don't want to update their current android phones because of marketing.
people will have to buy xperia arc to get android 2.3. good for their bussiness. this is how it's work.
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That's how it works for them, not necessarily for the rest of the industry.
There are phones with worse hardware than the Xperia series which have been given Android 2.2 updates.
IOTW, they **** on their current customers and profit on them. Nothing else.

Its not everything bad.
We can get all that have 2.2 by root phone and we will get multytouch actually we already get it.
They uploaded firmware with multytouch.

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Its not everything bad.
We can get all that have 2.2 by root phone and we will get multytouch actually we already get it.
They uploaded firmware with multytouch.
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that would be good
please support us,for new fw updates for the X8 and X10 family
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=904941

I am for.

What I find most annoying is that SE seems to have forgotten they made the x8 entirely.
I'm not even sure if the x8 is considered "part of the x10 family" or not. I can make semi-informed guesses, but there's no official word to clarify this.

thats bad....

Sony mentioned the x10, mini and mini pro and forgot to mention the X8..??
either they r gonna bring froyo to X8 (which i m think is never gonna happen) or they dont think X8 is important enough to mention..!!

I had tweeted SEAnswers about the Xperia X8 and this is what they had to say, I quote "There may be updates to software, however we will not be upgrading past 2.1 OS".Check the Discussions on their Facebook page, no further updates to the Android version.

So... since the x8 was originally intended to launch with 2.1, this pretty much makes the life-span of this particular device... Dead on Arrival.
It's a fine device, but the policy that comes with it is just utter rubbish.

Rikard: rolling out next Update for the Xperia x8

There's a new post by Rikard on the blog.
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/02/01/next-update-for-the-xperia-x10-and-x8-family
All that is mentioned for the x8 is:
"the mini products and the Xperia X8 we
also have enabled the ANT+ support in the
chipset. "
and thats it.
No dual touch, new Timescape, no changes to 4 corner UI, so called uxp update is a sham.
SE is crazy. No 2.2, ok we cried but we stayed mum. But going back on a promise of providing a decent update is pretty sad.

How can they not post DT for X8. I dont care about the stupid timescape, or the stupid launcher. All I want is DT (and most of the users here).
$$%$%$%!%$%$%$%

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How can they not post DT for X8. I dont care about the stupid timescape, or the stupid launcher. All I want is DT (and most of the users here).
$$%$%$%!%$%$%$%
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u are quietly right!!!!but froyo still needed...

i used US firmware, and check with SEUS and PC com, there's no update available.
Anyone has new update? and can you share your SI number? hope that new update is not china firmware, cause it makes my phone slower than US firmware

In case we will receive this update, am i right assuming it will delete anything on the phone?
So we have to reinstall all our apps, adjust settings again and so on?

Come on guys, SE never promised dualtouch for the X8! We don't even know if it's possible. I think we have no right to cry about this, as we bought our phone knowing there would be no multitouch.

Dammit guys! Why are you complaining? They'll enable ANT+!!! Don't you know how useful is it? It'll save many lives, and since we all have ANT+ monitoring devices, DT should be our least concern...
xD, yeah right... I really really don't see any purpose of ANT+, can't they at least give us DT?
All I can say right now is: SE, you haven't said a word about 2.2 on Xperia, while developers got 2.3 working on X10 and racht is in progress of making it work on our X8-s (I hope)...

Google construct the Android OS and SE is 2 lazy to customize it
SE u disappointed us all

The X8 update will start rolling out one week after the x10, so arnd 2-3 days more and we can expect it to begin, not that it'll add much but I want to see if they have made any improvements to the UI.

One "improvement" they surelly done is patch up the root exploit, so I would say not to update...

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One "improvement" they surelly done is patch up the root exploit, so I would say not to update...
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They have spy on forum.
No other way to know that.

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They have spy on forum.
No other way to know that.
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They could have found the exploit on their own.

As you bought the X8, did you read something about multitouch or Froyo 2.2? No. Point.

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As you bought the X8, did you read something about multitouch or Froyo 2.2? No. Point.
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As I bought x8, i read that it has ANDROID os AND when i bought it, x8 was new on the market. The most popular os in the world must be upgraded and it must have MT,Flash and app2sd.

Really, really dissapointed about this phone, seems to me that the next phone I buy will deffo not be a SE ( and I'm loyal to SE since my first mobile phone back in 1998 )
Way to screw users by not offering decent updates.

we want froyo in our x8 becuz this is our law. se must unlock the boot loader.

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One "improvement" they surelly done is patch up the root exploit, so I would say not to update...
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agreed..
i m not updating my phone until SE brings MT or froyo to the X8 (which is never)
this is seriously my last SE phone

Stop hoping for nothing, the X8 will never get froyo or MT oficially... the only solution will be to get a working froyo rom for the x8 and that will be it. Sony screwed me one time with the X8, but it will be the last time i buy a SE phone.

still not available in Croatia...

I just want to say"SE u disappointed us all"