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Im so confused!

Ok, heres my problem. I have a Verizon XV6900. I am currently on a local CDMA carrier. How can I get my HTC to work on my network, my network excepts outside phones so I know they will do it. Ive read about the Coke unlocker but I am confsued. Does the unlocker make it so you can use the phone on any CDMA network or just so you can put custom ROMs to it? Thank you very much, ive done alot of reading but I just need some clarification. Thanks.

PlaskiBass09 said:
Ok, heres my problem. I have a Verizon XV6900. I am currently on a local CDMA carrier. How can I get my HTC to work on my network, my network excepts outside phones so I know they will do it. Ive read about the Coke unlocker but I am confsued. Does the unlocker make it so you can use the phone on any CDMA network or just so you can put custom ROMs to it? Thank you very much, ive done alot of reading but I just need some clarification. Thanks.
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The coke unlocker is so you can install new/different ROMs on you device. What you really want to do is a full flash to your carrier. Who is your carrier? I might have some good pointers or even a tutorial I can point you too.

I have a local carrier called cellcom, theyre a local CDMA company.

I did a quick search and it seems like there is some sort of cellcom rom or something out there for the Vogue, so if you can find that, you shouldn't have an issue. I couldn't point you in the direction of that though, didn't find a download of any sort, just some random info.

PlaskiBass09 said:
I have a local carrier called cellcom, theyre a local CDMA company.
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Well that's a new one to me! But any way to flash over to them from Verizon you will need to gather some basic information like:
PRL files
MNC #
SID/NID #
activation number.
To get your web MMS working you will need to know other setting like HDr/ppp username and passwords. server names ports proxys, etc. Those you might need to get from cellcom.
There is alot of info that you can pull from a current handset if you have one and some that you will need to ask them for.
Here is a LINK for a tutorial I wrote for flashing the Vogue to cricket just replace all the cricket info with the cellcom info. If you have a question on the tutorial post it in that thread. I monitor it better then here.

From what ive read I can use an alltlell rom and it would work. Could someone tell me how to go about this so cellcom can activate it because I dont have any codes or anything. Thanks.

PlaskiBass09 said:
From what ive read I can use an alltlell rom and it would work. Could someone tell me how to go about this so cellcom can activate it because I dont have any codes or anything. Thanks.
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You can put an alltel ROM on it but you will still need some of the setting I mentioned above unless they are an alltel MVNO which would technically make them a Verizon MVNO now. But anyway here is a LINK to all the shipped ROMs for the Vogue I would start there with a shipped and then upgrade after you have it activated.
Be sure to unlock with coke unlocker first and follow all the instructions.

Well I previously had a razor that was from US Cellular and that worked fine and was activated perfectly but I read in my research that someone had a US Cellular Vogue and it wouldnt activate with cellcom. Is there a way I can just get the unlock code and then have them activate it without messing with the ROMs?

PlaskiBass09 said:
Well I previously had a razor that was from US Cellular and that worked fine and was activated perfectly but I read in my research that someone had a US Cellular Vogue and it wouldnt activate with cellcom. Is there a way I can just get the unlock code and then have them activate it without messing with the ROMs?
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The easiest way to do it find out the PRL & activation code for the OTASP and see if it will program the PST automatically. If it will OTASP successfully you will have at least talk and text.
and it won't touch the ROM.
Your unlock code for a Verizon device will be 000000. F.Y.I.

Could you explain to me how to do that? Im sorry but im a complete newb.

PlaskiBass09 said:
Could you explain to me how to do that? Im sorry but im a complete newb.
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The PRL file is going to be the hard part, I did a quick search and came up empty handed.
For the OTASP I would say call your carrier and ask for it. Most carriers are like *228, *2, *22804, etc, etc.
If you find out the important info I can tell you how to use it.

This site will give you a little bit of intell on PRL's SIDs MNC's and different info you will need. http://www.roamingzone.com/

Ok, I used the service menu and pulled some info out of my rumor. I have the PPPID, PPP Pass, SID, NID, and PRL. I guess the only thing im missing is the MNC and the OTASP number. Im gonna call cellcom in the morning for the OTASP number but does anyone know where I can find the MNC.

PlaskiBass09 said:
Ok, I used the service menu and pulled some info out of my rumor. I have the PPPID, PPP Pass, SID, NID, and PRL. I guess the only thing im missing is the MNC and the OTASP number. Im gonna call cellcom in the morning for the OTASP number but does anyone know where I can find the MNC.
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Pulled it from my last posted link
here it is Cellcom MNC 600
Now on your PRL you will need the file if you don't have it post your PRL number here and I'll see if I can help you locate it.

My PRL number is 10010. But I guess cellcom doesnt do over the air activation, I called and asked them, so whats my next step? I really really appreciate all the help your giving me on this. Its nice to find an online community that is actually helpful.

PlaskiBass09 said:
My PRL number is 10010. But I guess cellcom doesnt do over the air activation, I called and asked them, so whats my next step? I really really appreciate all the help your giving me on this. Its nice to find an online community that is actually helpful.
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Well so now you will need to manually program it with all your gathered information. To do so you are going to access the PST program by dialing ##778# or ##778snd then it will bring up another window click on edit enter 6 0's. Frfom there find all the info that you will need to replace and replace it. As for a PRL file it is a scarce creature for cellcom. I would recommend asking them if they might be able to refer you to where to get it.

try this one it works for me!!!
I have got HTC P3050 (TELUS) I have got a procedure to unlock SPRINT TOUCH but anyone can tll me that it will work for TELUS TOUCH i want to use it in India it may be any network
here is the procedure:
I did this for my Sprint Touch. I am still using it in the USA but my phone has been modified to support other carriers with no problem.
The steps are simple:
Here is what you need to do:
1. Download GetSPC(attached below)
2. Unzip to desktop
3. Turn off phone and remove battery.
4. Write down your HEX ESN
5. Power your device back on
6. Connect via ActiveSync or WMDC
7. Copy entire folder to main memory on device.
8. Run GetSPC.exe
9. In the top box type in your HEX ESN(make sure caps is on)
10. Click generate or whatever the button is named
11. The resulting number should be a 6 digit number, your MSL, write it down.
12. Search for, download and install Qualcomm's QPST tool.(not freeware)
THE FOLLOWING STEPS ARE VERY DANGEROUS SO MAKE SURE YOU FOLLOW MY DIRECTIONS EXACTLY.
13. Run QPST Configuration(run as admin if Vista)
14. From the Dialpad, dial ##3424#(##diag#)
15. Connect device to computer via USB(this will install drivers)
16. In QPST Configuration, click ports.
17. Continue to add ports until the QPST Configuration detects your phone
18. Under active phones it should display your phone.
19. Click Start Clients/Service Programming
20. Select phone and click ok.
DO NOT LEAVE FIRST TAB, THE SETTINGS TAB. THIS IS THE ONLY TAB WE WILL NEED TO CHANGE ANY SETTINGS
21. Under the settings tab, click Read from phone.
22. Input your MSL you got from GetSPC earlier.
23. Under codes where it says Service Programming, change this to 000000
24. Click Write to Phone
25. Wait 1 minute
26. Close Qualcomm QPST one window at a time.
27. Disconnect the USB cable from your device
28. Perform Soft reset once
29. Test new MSL(##000000#)
30. If new code does not go through, hard reset.
31. Depending on what device you have, follow the necessary steps to unlock your phone so you can flash a new ROM to it.
32. Install OEM ROM from carrier of choice or build your own custom ROM using the new carrier's information.
33. Follow instructions to flash new OS to device.
34. Call service provider and do some sweet talking to get them to activate the phone on their network. You may need to do some serious sweet talking because Sprint ESNs are not in Verizon's database and vice versa. This goes for all CDMA carriers.
Good luck.
just get the PRL & MDN FROM YOUR NEW CARRIER AND CHANGE IT USING QUALCOMM
IF U GOT CONFUSION JUST REPLY ME
ALSO I DONT OFTEN VISIT COMP.. SO JUST WAIT 4 MY REPLY I WILL DEFINETELY REPLY YOU
GOOD LUCK
ALSO HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

whitey10tc said:
Well so now you will need to manually program it with all your gathered information. To do so you are going to access the PST program by dialing ##778# or ##778snd then it will bring up another window click on edit enter 6 0's. Frfom there find all the info that you will need to replace and replace it. As for a PRL file it is a scarce creature for cellcom. I would recommend asking them if they might be able to refer you to where to get it.
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Could you help me with this step? Whenever I do ##778 I get a Verizon recording and it wont let me do anything. Am i doing it wrong?

PlaskiBass09 said:
Could you help me with this step? Whenever I do ##778 I get a Verizon recording and it wont let me do anything. Am i doing it wrong?
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Try using ##778# with no snd. Then you should have the new window pop up.

if u dont get a prl just try to connect any of phones running on cellcomm and then read PRL from that phone using QUALCOMM
also if u want to start it to cellcomm then just go there and fill up the forms and tell them to enter your ESN on their network now just install TELUS WM 6.1 ROM and then dial *228 it will automatically download all the PRL,MDN and change all other information
then flash any ROMS you like i basically like NFS FAN V17 ROM
ALSO U SHOULD PROBABLY DIAL ##778# IT WILL OPEN EPST TOOL THEN U WILL NOT HEAR THE RECORDING!!!!!
IF ANY PBL REPLY ME !!!!!!!
WELL HAPPY NEW YEAR

[RQ] Microsoft Activation Code

While reading all the great threads about WP7 I found that there are quite a lot of people that are not able to get in touch with MS, and they keep on spaming, trying to find one. So here's my idea: do not do this. Just ask here and if there is someone who can help, he could PM you.
So I'll be the first one. Anybody could help me?

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While reading all the great threads about WP7 I found that there are quite a lot of people that are not able to get in touch with MS, and they keep on spaming, trying to find one. So here's my idea: do not do this. Just ask here and if there is someone who can help, he could PM you.
So I'll be the first one. Anybody could help me?
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*tuts, shakes head and rolls eyes*

Fa1n7 said:
While reading all the great threads about WP7 I found that there are quite a lot of people that are not able to get in touch with MS, and they keep on spaming, trying to find one. So here's my idea: do not do this. Just ask here and if there is someone who can help, he could PM you.
So I'll be the first one. Anybody could help me?
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Just phone them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't! It would cost me more than my monthly payment, and the skype connection so f***** up!

Jesus. You DON'T need to call MS in the USA. Call your local MS support (should work in all countries where WP7 is officially launched by the local mobile operators!) and they will give you the code. I'm from Bulgaria and to my extreme surprise I got the code within 5 min from a very friendly customer support agent on Microsoft's toll free 0800 number. The agent didn't ask for anything more than my name and mail adress. He even mailed me the code afterwords for future reference

UK ms are giving them out first time. give them a call through skype.
0844 800 2400 choose option 2 and then option 7

Does anybody know how many times we can use this code to re-activate our phone?
Just asking as I like testing this but I want to go back to android soon but just worried about re-activation issues etc.

^ Till now I've used same code to Activate 4 different Live Accounts! So my guess is its Device dependant. You can activate it any no of times as far as its the same device. Thats my guess!

Tou can activate 3 different live accounts with 1 code AFAIK. So you shouldn't be having any troubles with switching forth and back between Android and WP7
A notice to bulgarian users. For Bulgaria the MS number is 08001555 (free from all networks!). Choose option 1 from the voice menu and then tell the operator that you need a WP7 code.

Tanmay® said:
^ Till now I've used same code to Activate 4 different Live Accounts! So my guess is its Device dependant. You can activate it any no of times as far as its the same device. Thats my guess!
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Well I was referring to the same live acount but I guess that sort of answers my question anyway. thnx.
Can I ask though why you used 4 different accounts?

Well first when I activated using my Live account, Marketplace didn't work since that Account was created using India as locale.
2nd time I activated with a different ID, but that too turned out to be from India as initial Locale.
3rd time I created a totally new Live ID and this time everything worked perfectly. Marketplace and XBL worked just fine.
But then I thought of migrating my X360 XBL to this new ID and as soon as I did that, the Marketplace not available for your region error came up.
Finally created another account, activated it again and using it!

Ok I called customer service and they needed my name etc, but then IMEI wtf!!!!!
Can anybody please pm me an activation code????
Thanks

TheATHEiST said:
Does anybody know how many times we can use this code to re-activate our phone?
Just asking as I like testing this but I want to go back to android soon but just worried about re-activation issues etc.
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Actually I asked the Agent "If I hard-reset my HD7 p) can I reuse this code ?" And He said "Yes, whenever you format your phone and an error came up you can use this code again just don't give it to any other person" so i assume that the code is valid for My phone (or ID ?) to be used very multiple times but I'm not sure since he didn't mean it directly

xandercom said:
UK ms are giving them out first time. give them a call through skype.
0844 800 2400 choose option 2 and then option 7
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Worked perfectly, thanks

US Number
Tried finding the right US number last night, but no go. I think I was to tired
Anyone have the USA Number to call and get the ACode?

little help plz
If you have a real HD7 phone in hand, where on it would you find the code? thx

kevinniven said:
If you have a real HD7 phone in hand, where on it would you find the code? thx
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I'm guessing in the box, or maybe under the battery???

country code
chrisjasper said:
Worked perfectly, thanks
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whats the country code

kevinniven said:
whats the country code
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Replace the first 0 with +44 if you're trying to call here, maybe drop the + if the first doesn't work, good luck

xandercom said:
UK ms are giving them out first time. give them a call through skype.
0844 800 2400 choose option 2 and then option 7
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Just phoned that number ,they stated I should contact my mobile operator.
Anyone else got this reply?

Chevron after reflash? Activation Code limit?

I got my activation code a couple minutes ago and decided to swap out my 2gb sd card for a 16gb one. After I popped it in, I had to setup my phone again, which I figured would happen, but then it said something about low storage, so I figured I needed to reflash the rom so WP7 would partition the new sd card in whatever manor it does.
My question is, now that I have an activation code, do I need to run Chevron and unlock the phone again or can I just put the activation code in and start downloading apps? My only concern is I've now used my activation code twice, so I don't want to hit the limit without doing this all correctly :/

AFAIK, it associates your IMEI with your Live account, so it should just work..
I find it hard to believe that the activation code will stop working if you try to use it again with the same live account.

I did reflashm, and activation code worked no problem

RickAstley said:
AFAIK, it associates your IMEI with your Live account, so it should just work..
I find it hard to believe that the activation code will stop working if you try to use it again with the same live account.
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Some mentioned it in a thread at one point, but I've read that people have used their code 3 or even 5 times, so I may just be overly paranoid about it haha.
Laynee1 said:
I did reflashm, and activation code worked no problem
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Just tried it and it works fine! Thanks so much man
One last question: Since I put my new sd card in before reflashing, did that mess up how WP7 partitions it when I eventually did reflash? Or was WP7 not recognizing the new sd card anyway since it was put in after the initial flash, causing WP7 to not see it, hence the "low storage" message I ended up getting?

I have used it at least 5 times over. I doubt you will have any issues. Its just the code associated to your account. They dont monitor that, its just a key for service.

Improve said:
I have used it at least 5 times over. I doubt you will have any issues. Its just the code associated to your account. They dont monitor that, its just a key for service.
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I agree.. i think it's linked to your Live ID.. So when you sell the phone, the buyer should get a new key from MS for his Live ID and you can use the same key for your new phone. Correct me if am wrong.

21031980 said:
I agree.. i think it's linked to your Live ID.. So when you sell the phone, the buyer should get a new key from MS for his Live ID and you can use the same key for your new phone. Correct me if am wrong.
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Ooo, that's pretty awesome, though I doubt I'll ever sell my HD2, this guy is a beast haha.
Oooone last question and sorry that it's slightly off topic: I'm trying to download stuff from the Marketplace, but I get this message "we can't get this info check back in a little while". Is this something that will work in a few minutes, or is there something I need to do, like change the reg or something?

can u guys tell me how can we talk with MS service? Cause I fone them already, and they ask me alot of informations: home, fone, IMEI ..... but i m not sure we can use HD2's IMEI or not, cause I told them I use HD7 2nd. So dont have active code T_T
Some1 plz tell me what exactly I have to tell them to get the code.
Thank you

APJG said:
Ooo, that's pretty awesome, though I doubt I'll ever sell my HD2, this guy is a beast haha.
Oooone last question and sorry that it's slightly off topic: I'm trying to download stuff from the Marketplace, but I get this message "we can't get this info check back in a little while". Is this something that will work in a few minutes, or is there something I need to do, like change the reg or something?
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You need to do the registry hack so your phone is recognized as a HD7 t9292

the support guy told me to place the code at a safe place because i can use the code again if i need after a phone reset or something else
so i think there is no limit

APJG said:
Ooo, that's pretty awesome, though I doubt I'll ever sell my HD2, this guy is a beast haha.
Oooone last question and sorry that it's slightly off topic: I'm trying to download stuff from the Marketplace, but I get this message "we can't get this info check back in a little while". Is this something that will work in a few minutes, or is there something I need to do, like change the reg or something?
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you have to do nothing...just wait...the marketplace has at the moment some problems
-> http://wmpoweruser.com/zune-services-offline-now-microsoft-working-on-it/

Windows Phone 7 Market problem
i have flashed wp7 and have activation code; but i cant download any files from market,
"There is a problem completing your request.Try again later.
Error code:c101a420
Solved:
Arturo You wont have any problems getting your apps back. Just browse to them in the Marketplace and re-install. That feature seemed to be working even while attempting to download new apps returned c101a420 error code.
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/a20fe082-cf95-4c5a-9bd0-f87637339194

thinhletien said:
can u guys tell me how can we talk with MS service? Cause I fone them already, and they ask me alot of informations: home, fone, IMEI ..... but i m not sure we can use HD2's IMEI or not, cause I told them I use HD7 2nd. So dont have active code T_T
Some1 plz tell me what exactly I have to tell them to get the code.
Thank you
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It may depend on who you talk to. I called after I ran Chevron, so in the settings in my phone it said "HD7", though I'm not 100% sure if that makes a difference.
I called, they asked for me first name, then last name, then phone number, and then if I have ever called MS before. They asked what the problem was, I said I'm trying to add my @live email and go to the Marketplace, but it says I need an activation code and I don't know what that is. The woman asked if I was using WP7 and I said yes. She said something along the lines of "Ohhh, ok, that's why you need the code." She said it would take a minute to generate one for me, so I waited a bit and she asked what brand my phone was. I said HD7 and she seemed confused, so I then said HTC HD7 and she understood that. A couple minutes later she read the code to me so I could write it down, then I read it back to her to double check and that was it!
I've read about other people having to give numbers from the back of the phone or other specific details, but I didn't have to do any of that for whatever reason

thinhletien said:
can u guys tell me how can we talk with MS service? Cause I fone them already, and they ask me alot of informations: home, fone, IMEI ..... but i m not sure we can use HD2's IMEI or not, cause I told them I use HD7 2nd. So dont have active code T_T
Some1 plz tell me what exactly I have to tell them to get the code.
Thank you
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someone told them the imei of the desire hd...just try it
or you phone them several times till someone dont want to know this information

mattfmartin said:
You need to do the registry hack so your phone is recognized as a HD7 t9292
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0711 said:
you have to do nothing...just wait...the marketplace has at the moment some problems
-> http://wmpoweruser.com/zune-services-offline-now-microsoft-working-on-it/
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I figured I'd have to do that reg hack. I may wait a bit though just to see if it ends up working anyway for whatever reason.
Thanks so much guys!

kendimce said:
i have flashed wp7 and have activation code; but i cant download any files from market,
"There is a problem completing your request.Try again later.
Error code:c101a420
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same thing
0711 said:
you have to do nothing...just wait...the marketplace has at the moment some problems
-> http://wmpoweruser.com/zune-services-offline-now-microsoft-working-on-it/
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APJG said:
I figured I'd have to do that reg hack. I may wait a bit though just to see if it ends up working anyway for whatever reason.
Thanks so much guys!
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You do have to hack the registry so your phone appears as a HD7... A lot of apps won't download until you do that. There's directions all over to do that. There shouldn't be any wait time after getting your code. If your phone doesn't appear as a HD7 when you look at the info on your phone, you will get that message when trying to download apps.

seems live id can't be deleted

zarathustrax said:
You do have to hack the registry so your phone appears as a HD7... A lot of apps won't download until you do that. There's directions all over to do that. There shouldn't be any wait time after getting your code. If your phone doesn't appear as a HD7 when you look at the info on your phone, you will get that message when trying to download apps.
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Yep, you're right! Just did the reg hack and everything downloads fine, thanks!

[Q] Activation code

How many times can you use the same activation?
I've used mine twice and I want to play on WP7 again, but I doubt I'd keep it for long but I want to know if the code can expire? If so then I'd probably just wait for a Mango update.
Thanks!

Nilesh1 said:
How many times can you use the same activation?
I've used mine twice and I want to play on WP7 again, but I doubt I'd keep it for long but I want to know if the code can expire? If so then I'd probably just wait for a Mango update.
Thanks!
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Forever I have used mine over 20+ times changing to diff roms etc.
FPM

is there a way to get ur activation code from the hd2 i did it while i was on the phone to m$ never wrote it down ?

tonybangbang said:
is there a way to get ur activation code from the hd2 i did it while i was on the phone to m$ never wrote it down ?
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You don't really need an activation code. 'Cause theoroticly WP7 is never released for HD2. I even got an code just by mailing the helpdesk, didn't even call them.
If you mean the activation code for WP6.5, Don't really think it has one. Just go to the HTC site, install the HD2 WP6.5 rom which can be found somewhere under the topic HD2.
Otherwise, call Microsoft and supply them with your S/D number. Mostly to be found on the back of the box, otherwise behind the battery socket.
Take out the battery and read it out

i think he has used the activation code for windows phone 7 by typing it in the phone when asked and didn't note it somewhere else. so he wants to know if he can read it out of the already activated hd2 running wp7 to use it on another rom again....

have the same question here could i read out the used activation code from my hd2 to install new rom ??

Me too, I wrote my code down and somehow lost it
I have asked this question before but no one answered.
It must be somewhere on the phone but it may be encrypted like it is on Windows
Think I will try ringing them again and asking if they can give me my code as I have lost it.

If you lost your activation code for WP7, then you cannot retrieve it anymore.
It is encrypted somewhere in the phone.
It is like a password, when you lose them you are ****ed but they are somewhere in the sites core but you can't get to them.
I recommend calling Microsoft again, mailing or even open a chatbox with an microsoft employee.
And wright it down this time

Yea, I chatted with MS after I reflashed and hadn't written down the code, and they simply gave me the same one and asked that I'd write this one down and save it in case I needed it again.

[Q] a question regarding usability of activation code

I have recently updated my hd2 to windows phone 7(mango) and i got an activation code via chat with microsoft service.
Now i am curious to know, if i activate the phone with the code, but later i want to shift to android or even go back to WinMo 6.5 or have to reformat for any reason, would i be able to reuse that code on that same phone?
Or would i have be unable to do that? Has anyone had any experience with this? Please help me out.

You can re-use your activation code as many times as you need as long as it's used with the same phone and windows live account.
I have re-flashed several times and re-entered the same code. It all works fine.

SwiftNick said:
You can re-use your activation code as many times as you need as long as it's used with the same phone and windows live account.
I have re-flashed several times and re-entered the same code. It all works fine.
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I can confirm this. I was initially using a code I found on the forums here. Used it quite a few times. Today, I no longer workie. So, I got on chat with MSFT and easily got my own code. Was told not to share it or it would be invalidated. That must have been what happened to my first code.

thanks!
thanks to the both of you for putting my mind at ease on this issue! cheers!

I've used my code with two different live id's too.

Hagenlund said:
I've used my code with two different live id's too.
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Me too. And still working.