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an iPod Touch/iPhone can play 3d games, utilise the g-sensor and run smoothly - for example racing games. Tilt the iPhone, the car turns.
Why can't our phones run these sort of games? Or is it just the case they haven't yet been produced?
From what I'm aware a Diamond is more powerful than an iPhone therefore these games "shouldn't" be a problem?
Shoot me down in flames if I'm wrong, just kinda thought there should be iPhone-esque software for these phones now.
I am right with you, i keep thinking the same thing.
Because Apple has crazy fanboys and they provided a simple infrastructure to facilitate payment and downloading (appstore). They also gimped the iphone out of the box so as to pretty much require people to sign up for the appstore if they actually want to use it, ensuring that they have the user base they need for it.
Now the iphone has several million users - how many Diamonds do you think are sold? Windows mobile itself is bigger, but the capabilities of the phones running it vary too much that profiting from making advanced games is as feasible.
I have wondered about this as well. I think the problem is 3 fold
Firstly, the Diamond has 3d and graphics performance issues for sure. Sometimes my Diamond will slow down terribly when running some simple animations. I have read that HTC are notorious for providing poor graphics drivers and this could be part of the reason.
Secondly, I actually dont think Windows Mobile is capable of doing what the iPhone UI is capable of in terms of interactive gaming.
Thirdly, Apple provide your at home developers a great business model to go out and develop great games and apps for the phone. Plus with the Appstore they know that if they develop something good, people will see it - there is only one place to get apps from - and the developer will make money.
For me, the iPhone is not the right phone, but I would love Windows Mobile and HTC to be able to do what the iPhone and Apple can do.
The iPhone has v-sync, so the 3d graphics are drawn smoothly with no tearing and sadly win mo just does not. At least that is what my mate said who is a games developer. The power is there but you just can't get it to the wheels! This just makes it fundamentally unappealing to a lot of developers.
yeah totally agree, i love the diamond, but i've been using windows mobile for years now, and each new model HAS generally got better and better. however the iPhone is just something else.. for people who aren't nerds and into mucking around iwth their phone etc, i could never recommend a windows mobile over an iPhone. its just so much more polished compared to the diamond.
i'm an AMD fan too, godamnit why do i always have to back the underdog
Yes, even though i have a diamond and have had great fun tweaking it, i still can't help but envy the iPhone users for their graphically superior games and video playback prowess .
Another explanation would be that iPhone games are developed solely for... u guessed it, iPhones! ...whereas WinMo games have to be developed to run across many different devices, with (or lack of) accelerometers, touch screens etc. Therefore, to achieve this interoperability / compatibility across the many different devices, compromises have to be made.
That said, there are still gd games for our beloved devices, my favourite being PDAMill, whom develop aesthetically pleasing games with intuitive controls, and they're cheap too.
Nudge.
So all in all, will it become possible? And what's vsync? Portable to diamonds?
I think V sync is something to do with the way images are drawn to the screen, and it is just not implemented in win mo, I don't know if it could be written into the drivers or of it is a hardware thing, but then I don't actually have a clue what I'm talking about! Can anyone confirm this?
vsync actually makes bad performance even worse since it forces the back buffer to wait until right after a screen refresh before it copies its data to the frame buffer.
it's great if the device is capable of rendering an FPS that is higher than the refresh rate, but in the diamond case it's just another fps thief
if you want games like iphone get an ipod touch. The diamond never advertised gaming as a capability. Think of it this way: The iphone is like a mac with mediocre hardware but also comes with a mid range video card. The diamond/touch pro are like PC's with raging motherboard/cpu/ram combo, but bottom entry level video card. You can get a lot done with the PC, but the fun factor lies in the mac.
Go buy virtual pool mobile, it runs great and it's very fun. Its the best pool video game ive ever seen actually.
Simple reason
The reason to me is simple: Apple cares about user experience. Just look at win mobile contacts, or explorer. Do you think this software is made for 2008-2009 hardware? Now look at iphone's ones... Seriously, Microsoft has the power to make good things for mobile users, but they released win mo 6.1 one year ago, which is mainly the same OS that existed in 2003.
Silly we when we buy pocketpc running on windows mobile.
Just to revive a dead thread for quite a good reason..
I've seen a few videos on Youtube and also a few write ups on the wonderful Tinterweb in relation to Windows Mobile devices running and successfully playing iPhone games through emulation.
Is this just simple hear-say or fake ? I've been thinking for a long time about focusing simply on making the graphical capabilities of the diamond better through customising the graphics drivers. That's the main flaw for me.
According to a few posts the graphics card has 64MB dedicated memory.. is this right?
If so, these things SHOULD be capable of running bloody good games but the drivers are just nowhere near good enough. I did hear about changing to ATI drivers - is this right? If so, where can I find the info on this cause I would like to maybe bash at hybrid-combining the drivers and modifying them a bit as to allow maybe a bit more fluid graphics. If you check one of my other posts on the Diamond, I've been complaining about split-graphics. It's really getting on my nerves as I'd rather just see a full picture move around my screen fluidly. None of this "split it up" rubbish.
Cheers
Driver dev
This seems to be a good thread with most/all of the available drivers posted.
well I have been enjoying copy + paste and fully working GPS on my Diamond ever since
now why hasn't Apple offered this so far?
I guess each company chooses their own battles
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well I have been enjoying copy + paste and fully working GPS on my Diamond ever since
now why hasn't Apple offered this so far?
I guess each company chooses their own battles
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Hrrm.. In the new 3.0 SDK update for iPhone 3G and iPod Touch which will be released soon there is copy and paste + redo.. in a very stylish and functional way.
And there will be mms + almost every single function that the iPhone was lacking before + some more.. many, many new stuff for improved gaming, new OS improvements etc.
I watched the presentation on the apple website..
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Hrrm.. In the new 3.0 SDK update for iPhone 3G and iPod Touch which will be released soon there is copy and paste + redo.. in a very stylish and functional way.
And there will be mms + almost every single function that the iPhone was lacking before + some more.. many, many new stuff for improved gaming, new OS improvements etc.
I watched the presentation on the apple website..
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Stuff that should have been released last year. The only reason Apple is releasing it when they are is because people's 2 year contracts are starting to expire, and Apple wants to try and persuade them from leaving by finally giving them features they've been demanding from day 1.
Honestly, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I knew Apple would do that.
Heres my question:
Smart phones and windows mobile operating system have been around for something like, oh, 15 years now. Why is it some EMO company like Apple releases a phone (badly I might add) and it becomes THE Benchmark for mobile devices? Its just purely unbelievable to me that so many people obsess over "well the iphone can do this, and it can do that.. I want my ______ to do what the iphone does..." If you like the turd and all its glory so much, why don't you just buy one and get it over with??
the iphone is so easy to use, thats why so many people bought one. when everyone has something, it becomes the norm to judge other things by. think of the model t from ford
Model T?
Confused.com. Is that the foreign (for me) Focus? lol
Anyways, I've looked about and the ATI drivers have given me the power boost I'm happy with. However - My images are still split on the screen.
Still trying to get this fixed...
hello
im looking to buy a new phone in about a month and im deciding between the nexus one and the iphone. i currently have a HTC Touch Diamond and i have suffered quite a bit with this phone and im doubting the quality of the products that htc makes. i have read all the reviews and the specs and im still finding it hard to choose so i want to find out from u guys here if it is actually the perfect phone or it comes with glitches, and the occasional freezing.
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im looking to buy a new phone in about a month and im deciding between the nexus one and the iphone. i currently have a HTC Touch Diamond and i have suffered quite a bit with this phone and im doubting the quality of the products that htc makes. i have read all the reviews and the specs and im still finding it hard to choose so i want to find out from u guys here if it is actually the perfect phone or it comes with glitches, and the occasional freezing.
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If you do want a phone with 3G glitches, faulty software and occasional freezes / reboots then be sure to buy the iPhone. Ask my wife about her wonderful iPhone
Seriously though, just about every modern phone has some flaws and requires a restart every now and again ... its progress
iPhone simple and capable with loads of apps and support, sort of a "Tomy - My First Phone"
Android edgy and capable with loads of apps but not as many as iphone (most companies will release to the iPhone first due to the huge base of customers who will buy).
If you are happy having a simple interface with no options of customisation and are happy never being able to do anything your own way or take shortcuts then the iPhone is for you.
If you are happy to do a bit of tinkering and customise your phone then the Android is for you.
Both are amazing phones and look good and are easy to use. Specs wise Nexus one wins hands down.
If you love google and use Gmail, contacts, etc. And if you dont like iTunes and stuff then Nexus One is definetly the way to go.
But if you like all the crazy apps thats out on the iphone seems quite good for that, however Nexus One has got some really good apps aswell! A lot of people say iPhone is still easier to use. But I would say nexus one is just as easy and highly customizable which is cool.
All comes down to personal preference...
iPhone is obviously more stable seeing as OS 4 is going to come out whereas Android is 2.1, iPhone has less bugs and stuff im guessing..But Nexus one should be no trouble as your everyday phone and internet device!
I always fund iPhone really boring, with out jailbreak there isn't much in it.
Lots of apps and what else? I never had able to figur it out . If you coming from windos mobile i think you should get Nexus. You would love it.
I've been using WM since 1997 (PPC).
I've got my Nexus One yeasterday its my first Android device, i like it.
as far i saw iphone is mostly problem free and i want a phone with causes a little problems a possible but i have been with xda for more than 1 year and have gotten into the habit of customising so a phone with a little change in interface would be nice. the quality of the apps u get in the iphone is extremely good, u always get a nice colour full, smooth and simple interface. i personaly dont know about android apps but my experience of windows mobile apps is that they are ****. they come with 1980 style buttons and some times they don't even fit on ur screen cos thy were build with the developers looking at a different phone and the apps are expensive. so you see i don't want to go through that again.
I'm not sure there is anything such as the perfect phone since everyone has some different interpretation of what that is. I just received my Nexus One yesterday and I'm switching from the iphone, although I have extensive experience with winmo, palm and symbian. A few observations:
Build Quality: this is the best built phone I've seen in a long time. It has the exceptionally solid feel of the iphone, but still gives you the removable battery feature and expandable storage. In addition, it just feels great in the hand, nicely rounded with great build materials. Just overall top notch build and feel.
Software: I spent yesterday evening looking at the applications on my iphone and trying to find comparable ones on Android. I was successful for about 90% of what I use. The applications may look a little different, but the functionality is essentially the same and I haven't had any issues so far. There are a couple that I couldn't yet replace like the kindle app, cnn and the NY times, but I expect they'll be there eventually. A few others like ewallet have equivalent products on android such as splashid.
Useability: The iphone is dead simply which is both a strength and a weakness. I've always found it to be a little too easy and the lack of customization was frustrating as well as the lack of multitasking. I've always found the multitasking issue rather humorous since so much of the tech industry used to point this out as a weakness in the palm os and now the iphone has the same weakness years later and it's not an issue for the writers...go figure. The N1 is not quite as simple as the iphone and you'll probably spend a little more time getting used to it and setup the way you want, but you'll end up with a phone that meets your personal needs as opposed to someone else's view of your needs.
Overall I'm finding it to be a top notch phone that I expect will only get better as the OS continues to evolve. Google seems to be on a pretty regular update cycle and it continues to evolve. As the os attracts more users the applications will continue to grow as well.
One final word. I wouldn't equate the winmo htc experience with what you'll have with an android htc device. Winmo definitely contributes to issues with some of the htc phones. This device is in a whole different league.
here is few questions if you guys could answer it would be really helpful
does it freeze or have problems when running multiple apps?
do the apps have nice interface and are thy smooth?
does it lag alot?
and i herd mutitouch is coming to the google phone does anyone know when?
does it freeze or have problems when running multiple apps? - Nope for me its been pretty smooth, no stuttering at all, Apps open very quickly.
do the apps have nice interface and are thy smooth? - yes most do, there are one or two that do not scale well to the larger screen, these will be fixed with updates, just waiting on the devs to resolve.
does it lag alot? - no lag for me what so ever.
and i herd mutitouch is coming to the google phone does anyone know when?
- no one knows, its been demo'd on the European version of the Nexus One. However you can have multitouch browsing using either a custom ROM (soon to be released) or the Dolphin Browser (free download from the market place).
I know exactly what you're going through with your WinMo and HTC. I had multiple problems with the two just barely working at all. Android is so different but so much easier to find things in. I've played with iPhones and yeah they're fun for a bit but I have a friend with one that has had it for a couple months and is already starting to get bored with it. He says he's jealous of my Android and how much more I can do with it. It always looks different each time he looks at it.
I can tell youre trying to compare the Nexus One to your diamond because Ive used that phone and know what youre talking about with the lag and freezing and theres simply no comparison between the N1 and diamond, if you do get it you will be simply amazed.
I own a nexus, g1, iPhone 2g, and a touch pro 2. I can easily say in terms of speed, battery life, and overall enjoyment, the nexus is easily king. The keyboard is on par with the iPhone as far as usibility, which I could never say about the g1's onscreen. You can still sync your iTunes library with the correct software, it's the best mobile web browsing experiance I've had to date.
Simply put, nexus one ftw!
i think il wait to see how the muti touch on the nexus one turns out. thanks for all ur help!!!
bigger screen, higher resolution, brighter, prettier, easier to unlock and root... none of this cat and mouse crap with apple and the dev team...
I'm sure there are other things to compare..
oh yeah!!! the N! has bluetooth stereo stream and the iphone doesnt...
but, apple is gonna announce a new iphone this feb... so... up to you if you want to wait or not.
The N1 has a 1 Ghz proc, vs iPhone's 600 Mhz,
an 800x480 screen vs iphone's 480x320 (There are as many pixels shoved in the short side of the N1's screen as there are on the entire tall side of the iphone's screen, it's been widely cited as the best looking screen right now, with bright whites and colors and blacks like velvet. It can play full 720p HD video in this resolution.),
512 mb RAM vs. the iPhone's 256 mb, though of course you probably don't need it on the iPhone as you can't even run more than one app at a time (clearly, the iPhone is not a computer)
However, the nexus one doesn't have as many apps. The apps it does have are incredible, though, and you can emulate SNES, download torrents, Remote-desktop to your PC from anywhere with 3G/wifi, run a wireless tether without much trouble. Generally, the kind of stuff Apple would never let you get away with. While Apple has some cooler games, their utilities simply don't stack up.
I know EAXCTLY what you're talking about in terms of HTC and WinMo. I just upgraded from the HTC Touch to the Nexus One. There simply is no comparison, Android is an entirely different animal than WinMo.
As for iPhone vs the N1, the N1 beats it by far in terms of raw specs. In terms of OS vs OS the difference is that with the iPhone you're forced to play in Apple's little sandbox. Highly regulated app store, no "real" customization to speak of. This has the benefit of being an extremely stable and polished OS but if you're used to making things "your own" like I am, it's just not fun.
This is the first Android phone I've had, been using it for almost a week now and I will never look back. I LOVE it. Some of the apps aren't quite as good as they are on the iPhone in no small part due to the nature of Android itself. Developers have to worry about supporting multiple phone specifications and networks. It's very comparable to the Mac vs PC argument. PCs require a bit more maintenance and attention while giving you TONS of options while Macs give you stability and TONS of polish with a bit more limited options.
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You mentioned multi-touch, the phone fully supports it at the hardware level. The only "problem" is that it's not supported natively in Google's own apps (everyone assumes this has to do with some legal concern of Google's). Developers can use the API in their apps to fully take advantage of this support and many already do. I use the Dolphin Browser over the one that comes pre-loaded and the multi-touch in it is FANTASTIC. Best part is that unlike the iPhone it auto re-scales things for you to keep them readable.
I hoping to get multi touch as soon as N1 Euro out via custom roms.
Nexus could be superior all around if our apps would mature a bit more. Yes we're growing in apps, but they lack polish. You can look at many of our apps and go "Yeah thats clearly made by an engineer". They work great, but one reason the IPhone sells is because it is pure sexy in just about all forms.
The iPhone and the Nexus One are two different beasts, multi touch is something you dont use that often as you think when you are on the iPhone. When I had the iPhone(1st gen) multi touch was on, the kb, the browser, the photo viewer, and later on gimmicky apps that just came out.
I think of the iPhone more like a PS3 whereas android phones are more like a computer
iphone or android?
its how tech savy you are, ad how much you want to learn ot use something.
the iphone is simple. you hit a button, it responds instantely and it does exactly what it said it was going to do.
andriod is more advanced. alot more ways to customize it but it comes with a learning curve. this curve isnt as bad as the winmo one but it does exsist.
so it comes down to power vs simplicity. id go for power
FIRST: the intention of this post it not to flame. These is just my point of view and I would love to hear some other people’s point of view.
This is just an observation from a real cell phone junkie who is coming from WinMo and iPhone to android and is a bit disappointed.
It just feels like the Android platform is overrated and half baked. While it has its “Google apps” advantage, most of the other parts of it are seriously lacking.
Coming from an iPhone(which I hated because of apple’s dictatorship and because it feels like a dumbphone) and the HD2, which is a brilliant device with a very capable OS which has stability issues and lack of new useful apps development, I wanted to try something new with Android. It should have been the prefect mix between openness and development of new useful apps (which WinMo lacks). So far I have been nothing but disappointed.
Some of the issue I noticed and why I think Android is really overrated are:
- Very low end apps. Most of them are poorly designed and unstable. There are a few good apps but none from the major players.
- BUGGY apps!!! One of the reason WinMo was failing is because of cross device support for apps. Apps that would work on one device would not work on another because of different hardware chipsets. I was sure that Google would see this is a point of failure and will make sure this won’t happen with Android. WRONG: almost every app I downloaded has bugs and is not working properly with the N1 and if you just read the comments for the various apps you see the horror. So many people complain about FC’s and instability of the apps. This means that Google simply failed in this area and there is no real cross device support. Each app needs to be tweaked to work on each hardware set to get it right. This is going to be a huge point of failure for the platform.
- Crippled copy and paste. Seriously? You can’t copy and paste from everywhere in version 2.1??? didn’t they learn from apple?
- No built in Tethering. Again this is OS version 2.1 and there is no tethering option unless you root you phone.
- Feels sluggish at time: even on a 1Ghz processor the phone does feel sluggish at time (and yes I close my apps with task manager). Some say it is because the RAM was not fully utilized in this OS. Why have Google released a phone that suppose to have 512MB RAM with only half active? Didn’t they think it would cause bad experience?
- Very poor multimedia support: and I mean VERY poor. Even the built in YouTube Video player will not rescale the video to show on the entire screen if the video was not encoded specifically to the N1 resolution, not to mention other video apps who will NEVER show videos at full screen as they were designed for lower resolutions. There is really no way to watch DIVX or XVID and everything needs to be converted. There are dozens of media players on the market and NONE can do either tasks! And yxflash, the only player that can supposedly play DIVX is doing such a poor job it is a joke. WinMo has ONE player that beats all dozens on the android market. I read somewhere it isrelated to the SDK being very limited in Multimedia. I find it hard to believe that Google is trying to compete with apple witch such a poor Multimedia support. I even purchased OrbLive and the picture quality is extremely poor because they were forced to use the only codec that Android can support for streaming which is 3gp and has very poor quality.
- No big brand name apps: Skype, Sling and many other big brands are simply not there. I know you can use Fring as an alternative (or Nimbuzz) but both are very buggy and have delay when using skype calling. You also can’t turn off the screen when you use the VOIP apps as it is causing the sound to break.
- VPN: very poor support. I can’t get the connection to stay connected while it works just fine on the HD2 and iPhone. The latest software update from Google completely broke VPN support and now it won’t connect at all.
- There is no real way to backup all you apps AND settings of the apps unless you have rooted your phone. If you want to upgrade your ROM or change ROM’s you need to reinstall everything (unless you are rooted and then you can backup your apps settings as well). This is something that should be implemented out of the box. WinMo has exactly the same problem.
- Failure in the gaming area. There are maybe 20 good games on the Market that actually use OpenGL 3d. other games look like they are from the mid 90s. I was hoping to see better games on Android than on WinMo. I guess I was wrong here as well.
I wanted to like Android, I really did, and maybe it will get better with time, however currently it has exactly the issues as WinMo phones has (buggy apps mainly, some OS slowdowns ) and if Google is not going to address these issues they will find themselves in the same position as Microsoft is finding itself now.
For now I’ll have to go back using my HD2 and just wait until Android gets a little better and more usable for me. I just really don’t understand people hate WinMo so much if Android is not much better (at least from my consumer standpoint).
Thanks for reading.
Number one reason and the only one I need to hate WinMo is Internet Exploder. It's broken badly. They had better fix this in 7 or they are done. The fact that you have to use a third party browser to do anything useful is total BS.
I think for most people, who don't want to think to hard, Iphone OS is probably a better choice. The interface is dead simple and there are a ton of apps. Most people won't realize that they are being fenced in.
The majority of your rambling is about apps. I don't think anyone overrates Android's app catalog. Everyone knows it's much smaller than the iPhone's.
It's not overrated in the way that people tend to praise it, which is openness and customization.
I agree on IE but like the fact that you can chose various browsers.
App support is dreadful compared to the Iphone but you have to look at the sales figures in ITMS vs. Market; $ = incentive. Yes right now it's apples and oranges but when someone is researching what device to buy and what carrier to swear allegiance to for 2 years, there are certain variables considered.
Take a heavy facebook user. The iphone fbook app is solid. Yes it has issues, but compared to the android solution, there is no contest. The fact that you have to use m.facebook.com when linking from your notifications panel in android is quite unacceptable (just one of many issues people have brought up). Pandora on the iphone is also quite a bit better than on android.
I disagree in regards to your comment about the phone being snappy. I have my old iphone 3g and my nexus 1 sitting side by side and real world feel says that the n1 wins in performance.
For me there are two things I wish were present with the nexus one/androidOS that are present on the iphone.
1 - app support. That is targeting android.
2 - the keyboard. For some reason I can type far more accurately and with greater speed on the iphone than on my n1. Not a deal breaker at all
You bring up tethering. There is no native tethering on the iphone without jailbreaking or paying for an app (pdanet) for the official stateside carrier (att). Your nexus one has the ability to install pdanet and you can tether all you want at a small price. Of course, you can root your phone and suddenly this ask is satisfied; just like jailbreaking and updating your carrier file.
If you want to talk about setbacks; how about the lack of MMS for the first gen iphones while the 3g/3gs both have this. No reason whatsoever to not include the functionality in the 2g other than slow deprecation of support for the phone...that just sucks.
There are plenty of solid games in Market for your device. I had to watch a video "50 android games" to be made aware of quite a few of these tiles.
For me, nothing you wrote kept me from migrating back to android after spending a year with an iphone (g1->iphone->n1; the entire time I had the iphone I missed my g1) But I am not the target audience device manufs are going after...almost nobody here is.
All your points are valid and are what the atypical customer thinks about, cares about and bases their monetary decisions on.
Good post
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App support is dreadful compared to the Iphone but you have to look at the sales figures in ITMS vs. Market; $ = incentive. Yes right now it's apples and oranges but when someone is researching what device to buy and what carrier to swear allegiance to for 2 years, there are certain variables considered.
Take a heavy facebook user. The iphone fbook app is solid. Yes it has issues, but compared to the android solution, there is no contest. The fact that you have to use m.facebook.com when linking from your notifications panel in android is quite unacceptable (just one of many issues people have brought up). Pandora on the iphone is also quite a bit better than on android.
I disagree in regards to your comment about the phone being snappy. I have my old iphone 3g and my nexus 1 sitting side by side and real world feel says that the n1 wins in performance.
For me there are two things I wish were present with the nexus one/androidOS that are present on the iphone.
1 - app support. That is targeting android.
2 - the keyboard. For some reason I can type far more accurately and with greater speed on the iphone than on my n1. Not a deal breaker at all
You bring up tethering. There is no native tethering on the iphone without jailbreaking or paying for an app (pdanet) for the official stateside carrier (att). Your nexus one has the ability to install pdanet and you can tether all you want at a small price. Of course, you can root your phone and suddenly this ask is satisfied; just like jailbreaking and updating your carrier file.
If you want to talk about setbacks; how about the lack of MMS for the first gen iphones while the 3g/3gs both have this. No reason whatsoever to not include the functionality in the 2g other than slow deprecation of support for the phone...that just sucks.
There are plenty of solid games in Market for your device. I had to watch a video "50 android games" to be made aware of quite a few of these tiles.
For me, nothing you wrote kept me from migrating back to android after spending a year with an iphone (g1->iphone->n1; the entire time I had the iphone I missed my g1) But I am not the target audience device manufs are going after...almost nobody here is.
All your points are valid and are what the atypical customer thinks about, cares about and bases their monetary decisions on.
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Thanks for all the replies.
However please keep in mind that in my original post, i was hardly making any comparison to the iPhone and at the end of my post i stated that i am going back to the HD2 . The iPhone is the last platform i am going back to, even with all the apps. i Just cant keep with the Apple / Jailbreakers game and all the limitations.
You do have native tethering on the iPhone, only it is disabled because at&t does not want you to have it. in other countries it works out of the box. no Jailbreak needed.
I agree that market share = incentive for developers however i am a bit worried that with the current state of the SDK, we will see the same old issues with cross device support for apps, and this is exactly where WinMo failed and the iPhone won (because there is only one device to support (chipset wise), so far)
If only the apps that are in the market now would work better, my point of view will be much different.
I want to use Skype, OK there is no real skype app so i tried to use Fring...DELAY on the call. unusable. I tried to use Nimbuzz, it is better but you cant turn off the screen so the battery dies fast.
I want to watch a movie > need to convert.
I want to watch live TV > there is still not a single app that can actually do this. ORB's app is really bad at the current version.
I want to tether > need to root (i am ok with this) but wireless tether never connected to my laptop. unusable. Wired tether worked fine.
I did watch the 50 best games on Android Video and the are in par with WinMo's games and so far WinMo is giving better usability. but the OS is not so stable hehe...
I guess there is no perfect phone.
Overall is the lack of actual functionally is what killed it for me. I hope it will get better in the future and then i can give it another try
as you said, there is no perfect phone. but give it a little time, android is only a year old after all. i for one have little to no problems with FCs from any of the apps i'm using, so it also depends on what you like to do with your phone.
my main issue atm. is the lack of good bluetooth enabled voice dialing (and lack of any voice dialing at all for non-english users).
and the pet peeve would be the missing framework for the trackball colors.
other than that i'm really enjoiying the relative openess of the platform, and having cyanogen as a developer
Tether without root with PDAnet. This program works great.
Looks like the OP need's to have a read over yonder
There's also been a great deal of talk in the development forum regarding new openGL support in 2.0.
App space has been limited in android and thats a factor, but this is being resolved and we will start to see more 'pretty' applications, but I would argue that android has just as many useful and good applications as the iPhone.
The ONLY windows mobile device that I would trade my Nexus One for is an HD2. It'd be a tough decision though. My touch pro 2 was fun from a customization stand point because I seemed to flash a new rom at least once every couple of days. However, it was painful to use, it was slow, required frequent restarts, work-arounds galore, etc etc. Android may have some bugs, but I have far less trouble with day to day use with my Nexus than I did with my TP2. The hardware power of the HD2 would probably alleviate the thing that killed the TP2 for me and that was the annoying speed (or lack thereof).
Iphone OS is boring, but it works reliably. Safari mobile on my Ipod touch is a great browsing experience (nexus is better though, simply due to the power).
The only major problem I have with Android 2.1 on my nexus is its lack of full exchange support. However, if I really cared that much about it I would drop the $20 to get Touchdown and be done with it. Oh, and I would really love it if a full version of Epocrates made its way to android sometime soon.
This is of course for my uses, and in my experience. Therefore, I am just adding my opinion to the bunch...
Firstly, how can you say the N1 is laggy? Seriously? Especially compared to a WinMo device, and even the iPhone 3GS. The N1 is hands down the fastest smart phone I have ever used, whether it be my own personally owned smart phone, or one I was testing for work. Most actions are instant or near instant in their result, and the only time I find myself waiting at all is when data transfer from the network is involved, and it does that faster on my N1 than any other phone I have tried! Actually, I can load some websites faster than my computer, and I am not talking about sites that use flash either.
Secondly, yes a 1 year old OS platform does not have the same level of app support that a 4 year old platform has(iPhone/iTouch) or a decade old platform (WM). However, it is an open source platform that is growing quickly. While not all 15K apps are perfect for every device, this is true of the WM platform and the iPhone platform. There are plenty of great apps, that don't reqiure root.
Thirdly, the Android OS supports the same media playback functions as the iPhone OS... and actually can handle more in some regards. The N1 will have native flash support someday(hopefully very soon), where as Apple has picked a fight with Adobe, and likely never will have flash support. To say the Android OS, and the N1 falls short in multi-media compared to the iPhone is ignorant, to say the least. WM does support more formats, but at the same time that is a result of a OS in developement a lot longer than Android, as well the current Android OS can support Divx, et al, but companies like CorePlayer do not want to make an app until this support is in the SDK natively, and CorePlayer has pointed out they are working closely with Google, and it looks as though Android 2.5(Froyo).
Fourthly, as someone that sells cell phones for a living, the Android OS is the best smart phone OS for me to sell to consumers by a long ways. It is much more functional than the BB OS, yet maintains the ease of use. iPhone OS lacks most of the top smart phone functions, and WinMo is too slow and buggy. While 3rd party apps are not perfect, this is true of any platform, and at least with Android it will force close instead of freeze the phone. As well, the apps that are quality work very well and blow most other stuff out of the water, ie CameraFX. I have yet to have a customer complain that a free app wasn't working right... nor complain that the phones were buggy.
I was someone that came from winmo.
Android is much more polished than wimo, but it's barebones out of the box.
Winmo is much more packed with utilities out of the box, but lacks the polish of android.
That has alot to do with the timeframes of when these things derived. Android thrives on the "there's an app for that!" ecosystem.
Up until winmo (6.1?) there was no place to just get a quick app, so MS had to implement more things to give a better out of box experience. Too bad they lacked cleanliness.
Yes, Android has bugs and Yes, Market is poor compared to iPhone. But if you sum things up, I think Android wins. And Nexus wins as well, since I has the best hardware on the market today (or one of the best) 1Ghz CPU + AMOLED display + big resolution
Sorry, double post.
- There is no real way to backup all you apps AND settings of the apps unless you have rooted your phone. If you want to upgrade your ROM or change ROM’s you need to reinstall everything (unless you are rooted and then you can backup your apps settings as well). This is something that should be implemented out of the box. WinMo has exactly the same problem.
Give the market a closer look, and download MyBackup - it does indeed backup apps and settings, along with other things like bookmarks, contacts, the usual. This is the only point I could point out from your post without having to go into extensive detail ._.
As well, to add to my last post, there is multi-phone support with the apps and the Android OS... if this wasn't so, why would the Moto apps work on the Nexus One? While an app written for Android 1.0/1.5/1.6 might not work on 2.1 perfectly, this does not change the fact an app written with the 2.1 SDK will work on any phone running 2.1(actually, SDK 2.0+ will work with any 2.0+ phone, minus live wallpapers.)
But that is to be expected, just as an app written for iPhone OS 1.0 won't work properly with 3.1.3, or WM5.0 apps won't work with WM6.5 properly.
Isn't this a pointless debate.
It like like trying to debate good vs evil, butter vs margarine, pro-choice vs pro-life?
He seems to have come up with his own very logical, sound reasons why and why not android is over rated. There are countless arguments for both sides and I've read all 15 post of this. Android like the iPhone OS like Windows, like symbian all have their strong and weak points. No perfect phone OS out there. But rather whiny and complain of this and that maybe improve it, like some of the really great developers here which advances Android OS and make it great for all of us users.
In the end do I care if you move to Window mobile...not really. Hope you are happy. Move on. Have a nice life.
amen sir
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Well... Having never used a WinMo device. I can't argue that side of things... I owned a Blackberry (NEVER again!!!!), and I own an iPod Touch. Sure, the iTouch isn't the phone, but they're certainly one in the same. My iTouch is jailbroken btw.
With that said, I've never owned a better overall device than the N1. Don't get me wrong, it has its quirks and issues. But man, this thing IS my Media Player, my GPS, my overall entertainment "finder" (Where/Places/Aloqa), Grocery Lists, Forum browser (I'd say I'm 50/50 with Phone and PC while surfing web and forums now).
Sure, the apps could use some work... But, with quality devices being placed on the market, the apps WILL follow. Realize that the main reason the apps market isn't bigger, is because of the strangle-hold that Apple currently has on the market. Many Devs have invested into Apple development and have customers there. It's hard to talk them into changing their ways. In time, they'll sure move over to Android though.
With that said, the apps I get... Work for me. Just the basics: Handcent, Meebo, Car Home, Where/Places, "OurGroceries", Mixzing (Still not my ideal choice, but it gets the job done for now... And yes, I've tried Meridian, nemoPlayer, Stock, and TuneWiki), "Listen", and so on.
Yes, I've deleted as many apps as I still have on my phone (Many more than listed above)... But I've stuck with some that get the job done. If I could ask for only 2 other apps, it'd be Mint.com and Audible.com... Otherwise, I can be content in knowing I have my ideal communication device, with some GPS goodness, and it plays through my car speakers wirelessly.
So no... I don't consider it overrated, but rather too young. It'll mature in time.
if the iPhone can beat Android as a mobile phone OS. I still don’t think it can in the long run, but a CDMA or dual-band iPhone will certainly give Android a run for its money in the mobile space. However, I’ll gladly take some fragmentation if it means I can have a variety of devices made smarter, better, and more connected by their use of Android. Hardware and software developers don’t think of iOS as an embedded operating system. Android, on the other hand, can absolutely be the embedded OS for a new generation of devices. And several million smartphones along the way.
what do u think
You can't compare an open source os with 'closed' os like iOS which can only be used on apple devices.
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well technically the android on the galaxy tab10.1 is closed, too...
that why u dont have it on the regular tab
I don't understand how the iPhone got popular to begin with. If you want an iPhone how many options do you have? What maybe an 8 gig or 16 gig model? I mean seriously, you don't have a choice, the hardware has no real options. With Android there are many options, you can have a slide out keyboard, HDMI out, trackball, soft menu keys or physical buttons, you can find one for your price range, or you can get the one with dual core processors and blazing fast speed, you can get the smaller sized phone or the big 4.3 inch screen like on Droid x, etc. My point is that the iPhone is a "take this it is what you want" as to where Android is a "what do you want in your phone? Here are all your options, yes you can have that slide out keyboard for texting if that is how YOU like to do it." Why buy a "one size fits all" product that is the exact same as everyone else's? How do you make your statement? I love my Droid x, as I feel it is superior to any iPhone. I can put all my videos and pictures on a TV screen without buying a fancy apple converter box thingy. I can browse the web and view flash videos. I can install apps not found on the market or "installous". I can install a custom rom, like CM7 if I feel my OS isn't what I like, can you run CM7 on an iPhone? I can keep going, but why? There are way too many reasons that Android kicks apple's ass to the curb.
Sprint SGT + CM7 = AWESOMENESS!!!!
hootowlserenade said:
How do you make your statement?
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What if, and I mean this just by chance I know it sounds absurd, what if you actually buy something to use it? Crazy talking, I know.
Plus hardware standardization leaves you without a choice (not true, you can buy something else) but improves software quality, and that leads to more and better apps... nevermind the games, compared to iOS Android looks like OSX compared to Windows from that point of view: sure, there are plenty of games, some are really noteworthy but! have a look at the top selling games on both platforms. You'll notice that even cheap casual games on iOS tend to look better! Then you can't do some things in Android that iOS does... namely connecting to a VPN. I asked a question once, never got a reply, so I'm guessing you can't change the tethering apn (you can on iOS). You can't have easy and incremental backup of your device on a computer, because it's trendy to hate iTunes so having something like that would bring shame to Google. Nor you can handle in an easy way the music/multimedia files in general that are on the device, again no iTunes. Once you jailbreak, cool stuff happens, on Cydia there is an app to fake wifi connectivity, so even with a mobile data connection you can use some apps... high quality YouTube, FaceTime, games that whine about wifi, stuff like that.
Going a bit out of the system merits, iOS has also a lot more (and infinitely better) multimedia apps. Just look at iMovie or any virtual instrument app.
I'm not tellin you Android dosen't do anything more han iOS, that would be just stupidity or a lie, but once you jailbreak.... same as rooting. Alllllll sort of cool/weird stuff, with the difference that in that case is niche, and so less developed, less abundant.
Back on topic anyway, will iOS beat Android? LOL no, impossible. Do the iPhone, iPod touch and iPad win? Totally. Android has a greater marketshare than iOS, however there are 4 iOS devices if you count Apple TV, and..... endless Android ones. What the iPad sells in a month is more than the whole lifecycle of a Xoom. It's like comparing the bible to the fantasy books... sure the fantasy ones sell more, but it takes a whole literary genere to outsell a single book! So it's really a matter of what you mean with "winning".
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I don't understand how the iPhone got popular to begin with.
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Yes, Iphones,ipod,ipad are more expensive than an equivalent android device yet idevices outsell android by a big margin. Seems it is more glamorous to show around the apple logo than "samsung".
As for the topic, maybe it depends on what comparison point for both OS to come into conclusion on what is better. What if, although far fetched, android is installed on iphone, would iphones still outsell other android devices?
I really think so....
Both Can Exist Together
Both can exist simultaneously. The iPhone for people who want the finished product, Android and its devices for the more adventurous.
I had an iPhone and loved it. When my contract expired I could have gone for an iPhone 4 but it wouldn't have been sufficiently 'new' to keep me interested for 2 years. So I got a 7" Tab and use it as my phone. I still tinker with settings 6 months on.
Most people though, just want a device which works. And that's the beauty of the Apple message - 'it just works'. They don't want to have to manually load a ROM, back up their settings and photos, and learn how to use Odin/Heimdall. They want a good UX out of the box.
Android, as it goes through the iterations, will become more of a 'finished' product, and (I expect) will become more prescriptive. However, with the Amazon tablet coming up, and other devices using older Android versions, 'forking' will keep the landscape interesting, and there will be enough to keep things interesting.
I for one will be paying attention when the new iPhone / iOS is announced on the 4th October, and I may go back to Apple - who knows?
For now, Android 2.3 (Overcome Kratos) is good for me, but I'll always be looking for improvements.
I found these on youtube. Very enlightening about the differences between the two operating systems.
Thanks Wicked4u2c
EDIT: Found the Source User Here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1557484
This is why Android kills IOS.
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Part 4.
Part 5.
Bonus.
After using android for 1.5 years then using an iPhone for the last 5 months I can say I totally agree that android is easier to use and more intuitive. I was a naive androud fanboy for awhile before using iOS and realizing how much better android actually is. Now I'm an informed android fanboy. Lol
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Great videos. Thanks
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I couldn't agree more
This biggest BS in smart phone is Comparison is which is easier to use. Its a reverse placebo effect. Naturally the easier to use would be the first one you learned. Lets say you use android for 3 yrs but then had to switch to ios. Ios would take a bit to learn and would there for be "harder" and same with ios to android. When in fact they are both easy. First impressions go a long way with technology especially with an os.
Hell I have a lot of difficulty with ios then I do android (but to be fair i used an iphone for a total of 5 minutes) But it was a slight learning curve coming from a feature phone. But the same would have existed (the learning curve I mean) with the jump from feature to ios.
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densetsu86 said:
This biggest BS in smart phone is Comparison is which is easier to use. Its a reverse placebo effect. Naturally the easier to use would be the first one you learned. Lets say you use android for 3 yrs but then had to switch to ios. Ios would take a bit to learn and would there for be "harder" and same with ios to android. When in fact they are both easy. First impressions go a long way with technology especially with an os.
Hell I have a lot of difficulty with ios then I do android (but to be fair i used an iphone for a total of 5 minutes) But it was a slight learning curve coming from a feature phone. But the same would have existed (the learning curve I mean) with the jump from feature to ios.
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Yes, i would agree. However, many of the items in this these videos demonstrate functions that just simply can't be done on IOS. Let alone being different or harder to do.
Finally!!! someone finally laid it out there.. i showed this to a few die hard iphone users and they watched all 5 videos and was floored. 1 of them switched to android so now anytime a iphone fan boy gives me crap I direct them here.. usually shuts them up or makes more stupid crap flow out of thier mouths... either way its all the same
Seems like there's already a thread on this by the creator of the videos here. Plus, there's also a bonus video as well.
Nice share, nonetheless.
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Seems like there's already a thread on this by the creator of the videos here. Plus, there's also a bonus video as well.
Nice share, nonetheless.
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Ahh... I tried to search to find it before posting because I figured someone had. I was unable to find it. Thanks for letting me know. I went ahead and added the bonus video as well.
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Yes, i would agree. However, many of the items in this these videos demonstrate functions that just simply can't be done on IOS. Let alone being different or harder to do.
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I was just being general I have yet to see the see the videos but I just wanted to get that off my chest. I'm watching the cats for my mother who is out of town and she doesn't have internet and Verizon services out in this area blows balls big time. Mainly on 1x the entire time with 0-2 bars so its the slowest 1x speeds or no data connection at all.
I just really hate that excuse android is too hard because it is not. It only took me a couple minutes to figure it out.
I hate ios, I hate osx, and I hate apple. I used all of their products cause friends of mine have them and all I saw was over priced basic ass technology.
ios to me is just confusing especially with just the one damn physical button, windows has always put osx to shame. Sure osx had better graphics processing then windows but that was around early 2000 when the hardware tech between the two were different. Now they are similar in hardware (if not PC is much better cause you can customize the hardware after purchase much easier). And the "oh there's no viruses on osx so you don't need virus protection software and apples osx is immune to them anyway" BS speech, which is all false. Osx does have viruses. It is not immune to them either. A lot of viruses are not coded for osx architecture so therefore does not work but there are people who do make multi language viruses as well as osx specific viruses. But here's the thing if you want to make viruses and harm as many people and business as you can are you going to go after apple who has not even 10% market penetration or windows who is far dominate in the PC world? You be going after windows.
And iPod nonsense are some of the most basic music players known to man. Until 2009-2010 they had no support for mp3 it converted the file types to apple proprietary music file and that was all. Mp3 players did not need to convert and they could use mostly all audio file types. And they were much cheaper and easier to use. (iPod is also confusing to me, and I hate its design) but the versions tried to make up for its crappiness by adding a camera and making some apps for it but overall audio player was still basic as hell and over priced.
But I'm not and android fan either. The dx2 is/was my first android phone and I hate this phone with a passion, hell I like my LG env touch more then this and I hated that phone (well I liked it when I got it but it did not age well) but I know that this is not androids falt, its moto's but that's what I don't like about android its completely at the mercy of hardware manufactures. The custom skins that are integrated with it, non proper kernels that just fails, all android phones should be like the nexus line. Google pushing out updates straight to the phone. Not Google -> phone manufacture-> carrier-> and then customer. That's retarded on so many levels. And then how locked down the phones are. Especially with moto phones.
If Google wants to get rid of fragmentation then they need to grow a pair and make some rules and stand by them and protect android from carriers and manufactures. Sense, touchwiz, blur, what ever Sony uses, locked (and sometimes encrypted) bootloaders and bloatware, updates thatmany phones don't get, are all that destroys android.
That's why in my mind android need to be more like window PC os. With minimal and recommend requirements to run updates, apps, etc. Not this hardware specific crap. Like tegra 3 only powered graphics or tegra 2 only powered vs the others. Minimum specs. Not minimum hardware type.
When you look on back of the box of games, software, hardware, you see minimum and recommended hardware in order to install it. That's what android needs. Not do you have adreno225 well if you do then you can't play this tegra 3 game cause its only coded for tegra3.
Android is coded like video game hardware. Each and every phone is a ps3 vs wii vs xbox360 vs PS vita vs 3ds vs ps2 vs Xbox vs gamecube vs PSP vs nds vs ps1 vs n64. This is why there is fragmentation. That's android right there. With apps, with updates, with carriers. Could you imagine all those gaming systems came out at the same time? Its no wonder why a phone doesn't have this app or doesn't get an update its insane.
Google has to fix that. Android is in competition with itself thanks to carriers and manufacturers as well as with ios. That should not be.
I like android but I also hate it. This is why I don't like smartphones cause there is nothing smart with how they are handled.
And please with the well each one needs to stand out over the other nonsense. This doesn't affect computer manufactures. Windows7 is on ever PC in a tech store like best buy, office depot, etc yet there are no custom skins, no locked bootloaders, nothing stopping you from root access, and you can freely pic a dell, gateway, HP, Asus, compact, alienware, ect. They all do fine (and I mean fine not great because some do well then others) This is just BS in the smartphone world.
It should be hardware spec vs hardware spec not android vs android with internal hardware brand vs internal hardware brand.
When I go into a Verizon store (or whomever) I should only need to look at specs. A high end device should be able to do everything, play everything, with Max out settings for at least 6 months and 2 yrs down the line should still be able to play, and run everything OK and not be abandoned.
I should look at how much ram, how many cores, the speed, screen size, dedicated vram, and that's it. Not who makes it (unless your loyal to a brand) and worry about is it going to be supported, and will my high end device be able to play this cause its going with this instead of that.
Unless this is properly taking care of smart phones will just continue to be a gimmick. If you have a choice of laptop vs tab unless your retarded you pic the laptop. Cause a tab is even more of a gimmick then smartphones. A tab is nice to own but it shouldn't be the only thing you own.
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Thanks for share it.
densetsu86 said:
I was just being general I have yet to see the see the videos but I just wanted to get that off my chest. I'm watching the cats for my mother who is out of town and she doesn't have internet and Verizon services out in this area blows balls big time. Mainly on 1x the entire time with 0-2 bars so its the slowest 1x speeds or no data connection at all.
I just really hate that excuse android is too hard because it is not. It only took me a couple minutes to figure it out.
I hate ios, I hate osx, and I hate apple. I used all of their products cause friends of mine have them and all I saw was over priced basic ass technology.
ios to me is just confusing especially with just the one damn physical button, windows has always put osx to shame. Sure osx had better graphics processing then windows but that was around early 2000 when the hardware tech between the two were different. Now they are similar in hardware (if not PC is much better cause you can customize the hardware after purchase much easier). And the "oh there's no viruses on osx so you don't need virus protection software and apples osx is immune to them anyway" BS speech, which is all false. Osx does have viruses. It is not immune to them either. A lot of viruses are not coded for osx architecture so therefore does not work but there are people who do make multi language viruses as well as osx specific viruses. But here's the thing if you want to make viruses and harm as many people and business as you can are you going to go after apple who has not even 10% market penetration or windows who is far dominate in the PC world? You be going after windows.
And iPod nonsense are some of the most basic music players known to man. Until 2009-2010 they had no support for mp3 it converted the file types to apple proprietary music file and that was all. Mp3 players did not need to convert and they could use mostly all audio file types. And they were much cheaper and easier to use. (iPod is also confusing to me, and I hate its design) but the versions tried to make up for its crappiness by adding a camera and making some apps for it but overall audio player was still basic as hell and over priced.
But I'm not and android fan either. The dx2 is/was my first android phone and I hate this phone with a passion, hell I like my LG env touch more then this and I hated that phone (well I liked it when I got it but it did not age well) but I know that this is not androids falt, its moto's but that's what I don't like about android its completely at the mercy of hardware manufactures. The custom skins that are integrated with it, non proper kernels that just fails, all android phones should be like the nexus line. Google pushing out updates straight to the phone. Not Google -> phone manufacture-> carrier-> and then customer. That's retarded on so many levels. And then how locked down the phones are. Especially with moto phones.
If Google wants to get rid of fragmentation then they need to grow a pair and make some rules and stand by them and protect android from carriers and manufactures. Sense, touchwiz, blur, what ever Sony uses, locked (and sometimes encrypted) bootloaders and bloatware, updates thatmany phones don't get, are all that destroys android.
That's why in my mind android need to be more like window PC os. With minimal and recommend requirements to run updates, apps, etc. Not this hardware specific crap. Like tegra 3 only powered graphics or tegra 2 only powered vs the others. Minimum specs. Not minimum hardware type.
When you look on back of the box of games, software, hardware, you see minimum and recommended hardware in order to install it. That's what android needs. Not do you have adreno225 well if you do then you can't play this tegra 3 game cause its only coded for tegra3.
Android is coded like video game hardware. Each and every phone is a ps3 vs wii vs xbox360 vs PS vita vs 3ds vs ps2 vs Xbox vs gamecube vs PSP vs nds vs ps1 vs n64. This is why there is fragmentation. That's android right there. With apps, with updates, with carriers. Could you imagine all those gaming systems came out at the same time? Its no wonder why a phone doesn't have this app or doesn't get an update its insane.
Google has to fix that. Android is in competition with itself thanks to carriers and manufacturers as well as with ios. That should not be.
I like android but I also hate it. This is why I don't like smartphones cause there is nothing smart with how they are handled.
And please with the well each one needs to stand out over the other nonsense. This doesn't affect computer manufactures. Windows7 is on ever PC in a tech store like best buy, office depot, etc yet there are no custom skins, no locked bootloaders, nothing stopping you from root access, and you can freely pic a dell, gateway, HP, Asus, compact, alienware, ect. They all do fine (and I mean fine not great because some do well then others) This is just BS in the smartphone world.
It should be hardware spec vs hardware spec not android vs android with internal hardware brand vs internal hardware brand.
When I go into a Verizon store (or whomever) I should only need to look at specs. A high end device should be able to do everything, play everything, with Max out settings for at least 6 months and 2 yrs down the line should still be able to play, and run everything OK and not be abandoned.
I should look at how much ram, how many cores, the speed, screen size, dedicated vram, and that's it. Not who makes it (unless your loyal to a brand) and worry about is it going to be supported, and will my high end device be able to play this cause its going with this instead of that.
Unless this is properly taking care of smart phones will just continue to be a gimmick. If you have a choice of laptop vs tab unless your retarded you pic the laptop. Cause a tab is even more of a gimmick then smartphones. A tab is nice to own but it shouldn't be the only thing you own.
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Wow man lol