Database Users

Music Issues?

I have this issue where my music seems to be in a great mess. Is it possible to somehow set the media player to view music folder by folder?

Perhaps you need to tag it properly? Mp3tag is a good program for that, if that is indeed the problem...

Erm...are there any guides for tagging? Because I have no idea what that is. Even though I placed the songs I wanted to together into the same album, I ended up with multiple albums with different songs but same album name,

Well
Computers are like me, anal perfectionists. The name "This is an album" and "This Is An Album" an "This is an album" are 3 totally different things. If they are not correctly tagged, with EXACTLY the same name, they are not the same as far as the phone is concerned.
Tagging is simple, use mp3 tag, loads your songs and fill in the form fields (album, arsits, title ,etc then save. Make sure they are identical for each song by same artist/in same album.
To help make sure, select all similar tracks of the same artist or album together before you fill in that field, that way you ensure the exact same data is input in all of them.
Although it makes little to no difference to WM player I also sort my music into folders.
Music +
......|
......|
......+Artist1+
......|.......|
......|.......|
......|.......+Album1
......|.......+Album2
......|
......+Artist2+
..............|
..............|
..............+Album1
..............+Album2
..............+Album3
It's just good housekeeping more than anything and keeps things tidy and simple. Besides, some other program (S2P)actually sort by folder in their library view.
P.S. I also recommend mp3tag, it's pretty close to perfect.

Ah...wait...you mean for the music to be in the same album, the artist must be the same? So exactly what are the factors that determine the music being in the same folder? (It goes by artists? Not by albums? And you mentioned titles. How can the titles be the same for all the music?)
Oh and despite the fact that I changed the tags for the albums, it somehow remains the same in itunes and the Media XPerience Panel. Oh and this is how I change tags. I highlight the whole set of music I want to place in the same album. I right click and press "extended tags". I then edit from there. Is that right? What do things like export/convert etc. do? (Oh and I do save.)

Only if you group them that way, of course if the artists are different just make sure the Album is exactly thesame on each track. I for example keep all compliation/etc albums in an artist called "Various".

That's the issue! I have edited the songs I want together by placing them into the same album by using "extend tag". And yet, The album cannot be found on the Media Xperiance and the Itunes.

No need
You shouldn't need to use the advanced tags, in fact I removed everything from advanced tags that was non standard leaving only album, artist, title, genre and maybe year. I also found that if I edited them directly on the card it didn't work. They aren't updated. I moved them to the PC, edited, deleted any files related to library on the phone then moved the music back.

I don't understand very well your question, because if you choose Menu - Open File - and then select your folder, but don't open it, click on "Read", it reads the files that are in the folder you selected.
But I recommend you doing playlists from your PC with Windows Media Player and synchronize them with your phone. Or there is a nice freeware, MPlayListManager which can create playlists directly on your phone.

Anyone have a Mac solution to this? I use iTunes as my library manager but it seems to me the music information isn't edited by iTunes.

HTC HD2 media player track order sd card probs

Hi. I'm new to this so apologies if this problem has already been answered. I've bought and installed a 16GB sd card in my HD2 and have transferred a fair bit of music to listen to. However media player is playing albums in an incorrect order (seemingly random, not alphabetical). When I transfer an album from the sd card to the 'my music' folder on the device, it plays in the right order! I've tried neptune which plays in the correct order but that won't respond to my bluetooth headset (when I press play, it automatically uses media player). Now when I copied and pasted an album onto my device which was also on the sd card, media player displayed the tracks twice in the correct order 1-15 consecutively (1-15, then 1-15 again). I deleted the device version and the sd card version went back to the seemingly random order. Can anyone solve this irritating problem?

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Could I just add that when I say the problem is with windows media player I am reffering to the music player within HTC sense. Please help!

I have the same issue, very irritating , could anybody help please??

A poor solution
Right, until I can better this I'm gonna cut and paste the album I want to listen to from the sd card onto the device.

No
No, that doesn't work

Have the same problem with the HTC music application and Windows Media Player. Pocket Player and Pocket Tunes don't have this problem.

A solution that works!
Right, it's like this. Got to settings>personalize>home screen tabs and uncheck 'music'. Open 'Windows media player' either by playing a song off your music folder or adding a quick link to it. Then click 'library' and get it to scan for al your files. Now use windows media player as your player not HTC sense and it will all be fine. Thank goodness!

is there the same resolution for the HTC player?
Thanks mate. Now I can see it works fine on the Windows media player. but thats a pain to use with those annoying menus. I like the HTC player as its very much like the iphone player & its easy to use. Has anyone found the fix for the HTC player or is there another good working player thats similar to the iphone player.
Cheers
Shala

Hasn't anyone found a solution to this silly problem yet?
When you transfer music to the device, it apparently removes any existing track order, yet not every album is out of order when I play it on the HD2! It makes no sense at all.
Using WMP is no solution, I'd rather play the music without order or sit for several hours making playlists for every album.
EDIT: Googling the problem, I found a thread about a problem like this for the HTC Touch Pro, where a solution was proposed:
Found a solution for you...
you will need a registry editor for your HTC Touch Pro. I recommend the PHM registry editor (google it).
Locate the following key. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\HTCAlbum\Ignored and modify the key Music Gizmo1 to the path you want the music file to be stored. I created a folder on the SD card named MUSIC and updated the path to \Storage Card\Music then rebooted the phone and all is well. Now I can turn off my phone, pop in the SD card and copy all my tunes over and bam.. I have all my songs at my finger tips. I hope this helps
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I'll be trying it later today.

hi,
if this does not work, i can share my application. It scans your music folder and generates playlists in the correct order.
it uses mp3 and wma tags for cd and track sequence. it works well for me but sometimes you need to clean up tags on desktop before copying music.
I have a 16 gb card as well and all my albums are ordered correctly using playlists instead.
I am sure using media monkey to synch gives you an option to push playlists as well and should give desured results.
Overlord Yuri said:
Hasn't anyone found a solution to this silly problem yet?
When you transfer music to the device, it apparently removes any existing track order, yet not every album is out of order when I play it on the HD2! It makes no sense at all.
Using WMP is no solution, I'd rather play the music without order or sit for several hours making playlists for every album.
EDIT: Googling the problem, I found a thread about a problem like this for the HTC Touch Pro, where a solution was proposed:
I'll be trying it later today.
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Damn, it didn't work. Quite disappointing.
Now how about this app that you mentioned?
And I can't find such a function in Media Monkey, any ideas?

Regarding media monkey please have a look at here:
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f41/tutorial-syncing-music-and-playlists-3761/
You will need to connect the device in usb disk mode and then you can synchronise playlists when uploading tracks.
I will upload the application later on today or earlier tomorrow morning. I would however recommend the option above first as the application I have is picky on the tags and it expects track numbers and disc numbers to be set correctly in metadata.

sproxy said:
the application I have is picky on the tags and it expects track numbers and disc numbers to be set correctly in metadata.
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They are. I'm also picky.
But yeah, the Media Monkey solution does sound smoother, I will try it out.
Thanks.

Hi again,
I have attached the files to this post. I still think, if Media Monkey option works for you thats the way to go. But this little tool helped me with the track order issues I had.
If your files are not in \Storage Card\music folder, you will need to set the location using the botton next to the text box.
Then you need to point the location to save the playlists. For me "\storage card\playlists" worked with every version of manila I used (Polaris, Diamond, HD, HD2)
It only supports mp3 and wma so there isnt much point to add more extensions, however you can remove one to exclude files of that extension.
Once all set up, you need to chose file - > Create playlists and application will scan your files and save the playlists in desired location.
I am using it with 16GB card and on Hd2 its pretty fast.
Here are some limitations:
1 - Extra information is created in the palylist file but still, when you select the playlist in manila player, it does not show fields like artist.
2 - Although some tags are valid, they cause errors in the application. I have some very old track I converted from CD's records mid/late 90s and if I see the issue on the mobile, I just run an application like Musicbrainz Picard to reftesh the tags and it all working again.
3 - If you have multi cd albums and disc numbers are not tagged, the track order may not be correct.
I always use usb mode to copy tracks and for me this tool works good enough to create the playlists the way I want to listen.
Hope it helps someone.

Simple Fix that worked for me
I to had the same problem with CD coming up in the wrong order in the player in HTC sense. When I checked what CD's were in the wrong order I noticed that they were all ones I had purchased off itunes and that the track information wasn't being picked up by my windows desktop. So i converted all my itunes music to MP3s using real player converter and now all of my library is in the correct order.

Hello,
I have the same problem. However, the tags are properly showing in all of these software :
MusicBrainz Picard
Windows Media Player
Windows 7 properties
So the track numbers seem to be correctly assigned. But still, the album tracks don't appear in the correct order for several albums in the HTC audio software.
The playlist utility keeps crashing on me, too.
By the way the HTC support regarding this issue is *terrible*, they keep telling me that the player sorts the music by "last time you played it". Nope. It doesn't. If so, when I play a single track, it would either pop at first place in the album or last place, depending on what they meant in their ballistic explanation (1 sentence). It, obviously, doesn't, and a player acting like that would be the stupidest music player in the world.
Does anyone have a solution ?
Did the "MediaMonkey" solution work,Overlord Yuri ?
Thanks in advance for any anwsers,
Regards

IcePanther said:
Did the "MediaMonkey" solution work,Overlord Yuri ?
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I barely tried and didn't have any luck. Since then I've given up..

Oh, okay.
Thank you for your input, anyway.
This thing with the HTC support is starting to get on my nerves, especially how they still try to convince me that the problem will go away if I hard reset the phone (nope, done two times already due to FixOperaFlash ruining my config, and still the music player doesn't work)...

I have figured a work around to the track order problem.
Download mp3tag you can find it on download.com or just google it.
I opend up all my music and looked at the albums that were out of order.
They seemed fine. I just right click on the track and saved the tag. I though why not nothing else seems to work.
I resynced the album and it was in order!
I guess try it out and see if it works.

S**t man , it worked !
HUGE thanks to you !
By the way I just opened the whole library (which was already on the phone), selected all, and clicked on save so it refreshed all tags. And after deleting /Application Data/HTC/Audio Manager/AudioManager_eng.vol so it regenerates the library, it worked like a charm.

SE Media Application ID3 Tags

Hello, I'm a proud owner of X2, but I think it's the same on X1. I've put some music on the MicroSD card and tried to play it using this Media. I noticed that some ID3 Tags were wrong, so I corrected them, replaced the files, and then wanted to play it again, hoping everything is ok now. However, all the mistakes remained.
I figured by myself (doesn't neccessarily have to be true, though) that this Media must have got some small database where the full destination of every MP3 with it's ID3 Tags is saved to speed up the loading of your music. Then Media just checks whether the file is there and if it is then it uses ID3 Tags from it's database disregarding any changes. So my question is how can I force a whole new check of my MP3s? According to my theory I would just need to delete the database and I've already tried looking through the registry and files of this application and deleted some suspicious items but without success. They were always created instantly after I executed Media and the Tags didn't change. So can someone help me, please?

Google Music Findings, Useful information

Been using Google Music for a little bit and thought I would share some findings and some tips.
1. Once uploaded Google Music only pays attention to the "ID" tags in the Music files to determine how to organize them. So if a lot of your music does not have these tags then all the music without tags gets dumped into a "Unknown album" "Unknown Artist" album. Your nicely ordered directory structure with artist names and album names are worthless to Google. So you better fix your ID tags on your music before you upload them or otherwise they may be very hard to find in the music app.
2. The best program I have found for automatically "fixing" your ID tags on music is MusicBrainZ which is actually free. Add your Directory of Music, Select all and pick "scan" once complete (takes about 2 seconds a song to identify) then Select everything on the Right that has been Identified and Pick Save. This will Fix the ID tags on your files for almost all of your music. (please donate to MusicBrainz as it's a open source user supported project)
3. If you fix the ID tags on existing music files after you have already uploaded them Google Music Manager does notice the changes and treats these modified song files as new songs. So then you have the old song (without the tags) and the new song (with the tags) in the cloud. Google Music manager is just for uploading it is not a "syncronizing" tool and I consider that an advantage, in my opinion that has always been a crutch of Apple devices in that they are Locked to syncing with one device. There is nothing that prevents you from loading Google Music manager on multiple computers and uploading from all of them to your cloud account.
4. Once you have fixed your tags on all your songs and got them all uploaded you can delete the "Unknown Artist" "Unknown album" from the cloud. By going into the Web interface music.google.com picking that album and then selecting the little drop down arrow next to the album and pick Delete Album.
If anyone else has any tips, I would be happy to add them and could start a Google Music FAQ out of this.

wow thanks for posting that app i am going to try it out tonight bro i just synced all my music last night and its a mess with the whole unknown album and and artist thing.... its weird that itunes works fine though....

Where do you get musicbrainz from? It doesn't show up in the market?
Sent from my HTC Evo

kkwus74 said:
Where do you get musicbrainz from? It doesn't show up in the market?
Sent from my HTC Evo
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Its a program for you computer. Google it.

I have a question for you. I did not point the music manager to my main music folder as it is way to big and honestly I do not want it all in the cloud. So instead I created a Google folder that I copy music into to sync. The issue is that now I have copies of my music. So long story short , if I delete files from my Google folder is it going to remove those from the cloud when I sync?

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I have a question for you. I did not point the music manager to my main music folder as it is way to big and honestly I do not want it all in the cloud. So instead I created a Google folder that I copy music into to sync. The issue is that now I have copies of my music. So long story short , if I delete files from my Google folder is it going to remove those from the cloud when I sync?
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I am sure it does not remove them from the cloud. Everything I have read says music manager is just for adding songs to the cloud. It. doesn't say anything about Syncing or removing. The other issue it would have if it deleted songs would be if you wanted to use Music manager on multiple computers but with the same Google account. I can tell it still leaves them in the cloud becuase after I had fixed the Tags on my songs all the songs without the tags were still in the cloud under the "Unknown Artist unknown Album" even though the ones with the correct tags were there also.

despich said:
Been using Google Music for a little bit and thought I would share some findings and some tips.
1. Once uploaded Google Music only pays attention to the "ID" tags in the Music files to determine how to organize them. So if a lot of your music does not have these tags then all the music without tags gets dumped into a "Unknown album" "Unknown Artist" album. Your nicely ordered directory structure with artist names and album names are worthless to Google. So you better fix your ID tags on your music before you upload them or otherwise they may be very hard to find in the music app.
2. The best program I have found for automatically "fixing" your ID tags on music is MusicBrainZ which is actually free. Add your Directory of Music, Select all and pick "scan" once complete (takes about 2 seconds a song to identify) then Select everything on the Right that has been Identified and Pick Save. This will Fix the ID tags on your files for almost all of your music. (please donate to MusicBrainz as it's a open source user supported project)
3. If you fix the ID tags on existing music files after you have already uploaded them Google Music Manager does notice the changes and treats these modified song files as new songs. So then you have the old song (without the tags) and the new song (with the tags) in the cloud. Google Music manager is just for uploading it is not a "syncronizing" tool and I consider that an advantage, in my opinion that has always been a crutch of Apple devices in that they are Locked to syncing with one device. There is nothing that prevents you from loading Google Music manager on multiple computers and uploading from all of them to your cloud account.
4. Once you have fixed your tags on all your songs and got them all uploaded you can delete the "Unknown Artist" "Unknown album" from the cloud. By going into the Web interface music.google.com picking that album and then selecting the little drop down arrow next to the album and pick Delete Album.
If anyone else has any tips, I would be happy to add them and could start a Google Music FAQ out of this.
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I experienced the same thing. I am using MediaMonkey to fix my tags and get album art but it is a pain. I have 1800 items that still need to be fixed. I will give MusicBrainZ a shot see if it is any better. I doubt it will work any better, a lot of my music is from the early napster days where ID3 Tags weren't used as and filenames sucked.
Good tip on the delete, I didn't notice a way to delete. I see that you can use that delete method per song as well. Awesome!

Ok. So when I accept my invite using my xoom I declined the install for the music manager. Now I am trying to find it for my PC. Any idea where I can get it from as Google points me to nowhere.
Nevermind.....
http://music.google.com/music/listen? #manager_pl

To despich,
Thank you!
I just googled "Google Music Unknown Artist" and saw your response which is quite appropriate to what I was looking for. I haven't tried anything yet, but I plan to tweak my Id Tags and resync to see what happens.
I hate modifying my MP3 files, but if that's what it takes to get Google Music to act right, so be it. I hope this properly classifies my files so I can better use them in the future.
- Art

Sorry to say we won't do that.
It's just not commercially viable for Google to allow you to retain your own personal folder structure. To be able to be commercially viable, offering the huge space and great services we give, we need to override your own personal structuring, you need to be flattened to one of our standard profiles. Otherwise our rather simple and greedy ad- and mining software just doesn't understand.
I apologise. Hope you understand. Computer says "No", for the moment.
We're working on it though!
Regards, Nick
P.s. I'm replying on behalf of the entire internet business community, I'm not affiliated with Google Inc. in any way. Well, that's a lie, I am a bit actually. I'm a paying slave -oops- customer.
despich said:
Been using Google Music for a little bit and thought I would share some findings and some tips.
1. Once uploaded Google Music only pays attention to the "ID" tags in the Music files to determine how to organize them. So if a lot of your music does not have these tags then all the music without tags gets dumped into a "Unknown album" "Unknown Artist" album. Your nicely ordered directory structure with artist names and album names are worthless to Google. So you better fix your ID tags on your music before you upload them or otherwise they may be very hard to find in the music app.
2. The best program I have found for automatically "fixing" your ID tags on music is MusicBrainZ which is actually free. Add your Directory of Music, Select all and pick "scan" once complete (takes about 2 seconds a song to identify) then Select everything on the Right that has been Identified and Pick Save. This will Fix the ID tags on your files for almost all of your music. (please donate to MusicBrainz as it's a open source user supported project)
3. If you fix the ID tags on existing music files after you have already uploaded them Google Music Manager does notice the changes and treats these modified song files as new songs. So then you have the old song (without the tags) and the new song (with the tags) in the cloud. Google Music manager is just for uploading it is not a "syncronizing" tool and I consider that an advantage, in my opinion that has always been a crutch of Apple devices in that they are Locked to syncing with one device. There is nothing that prevents you from loading Google Music manager on multiple computers and uploading from all of them to your cloud account.
4. Once you have fixed your tags on all your songs and got them all uploaded you can delete the "Unknown Artist" "Unknown album" from the cloud. By going into the Web interface music.google.com picking that album and then selecting the little drop down arrow next to the album and pick Delete Album.
If anyone else has any tips, I would be happy to add them and could start a Google Music FAQ out of this.
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[Q] Music Artist Info

Iam using the stock google music app and I synced my music with Windows Media Player 12 from my Windows 7 laptop. I have all my Album info but no Artist info. I've search for a way to get the info and I have removed all my music and resynced. Is there an app that can help or did I do something wrong when I synced my music. Thanks for the help.

guyver76 said:
Iam using the stock google music app and I synced my music with Windows Media Player 12 from my Windows 7 laptop. I have all my Album info but no Artist info. I've search for a way to get the info and I have removed all my music and resynced. Is there an app that can help or did I do something wrong when I synced my music. Thanks for the help.
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I haven't used WMP in a long time but I'm guessing when you say sync, you actually hooked up the tab to you laptop and than synced within WMP?
If so, than maybe just try directly copying the mp3's over from your laptop to your micro sd card.

Tried that too no luck. Thanks for the suggetion.

guyver76 said:
Iam using the stock google music app and I synced my music with Windows Media Player 12 from my Windows 7 laptop. I have all my Album info but no Artist info. I've search for a way to get the info and I have removed all my music and resynced. Is there an app that can help or did I do something wrong when I synced my music. Thanks for the help.
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There are a couple ways to get artist and album info into your music. There are some apps on Android that can do it, but I personally find that it's music better to deal with doing this on a PC or Laptop than within Android.
The first and easiest method is to use WMP. Once your music is in a place WMP can actually find it, ie: a monitored folder of your PC, by default I think it's My Music but you can add folders manually, then you can open up WMP and hit the Find Album Info button, and go ahead and match your tracks to what you see in there. This works best if you have the music already arranged in folders using the Artist and Album names.
The second way is manually, there's an application called MusicBrainz Picard which is really good at identifying mp3s and also tagging them. If you ripped your music yourself from CDs or purchased them from Amazon or iTunes it should find the information and will match it up for you.
If MusicBrainz doesn't work for you, the last ditch program is Mp3tag which can look the information up based on Album or Artist names, then you can have it batch tag the files for you, based on your arranging the mp3s into the proper order, or you can just tag a few - whichever you prefer.
There are other tools as well but these are the programs I use, so I can only speak for them.
Good Luck.

guyver76 said:
Tried that too no luck. Thanks for the suggetion.
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Than you could try a different media player and see if google music is the problem.
Theres pleanty of free ones in the market.

Temp Fix
I sort of got my artist info. I downloaded IDFixer from the marketplace for free the only program that reads the née artist info is the Acer Media app. Hopefully Google will update their app to fix this.