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OTA updates. How?

If I'm ignorant, please forgive me. But let's just say that the rumored Android 2.1 update is ready next week ... or even the week after that. How is the update to be distributed?
On my G1, it believe it was distributed as an OTA update. Considering I bought my N1 from Google (without subsidy - so t-mobile thinks I have a G1, currently) and Google's N1 site is kind of bare, and that I never had an option to register my phone/phone number combination with anyone ... how would I even knkow when/where to get it if not for these forums?

cliffy15 said:
If I'm ignorant, please forgive me. But let's just say that the rumored Android 2.1 update is ready next week ... or even the week after that. How is the update to be distributed?
On my G1, it believe it was distributed as an OTA update. Considering I bought my N1 from Google (without subsidy - so t-mobile thinks I have a G1, currently) and Google's N1 site is kind of bare, and that I never had an option to register my phone/phone number combination with anyone ... how would I even knkow when/where to get it if not for these forums?
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A friend of mine bought a G1 unlocked and uses it as his main phone without notifying his network provider and still receives OTA updates.

Hopefully, we'll get a notify to download the ota update...

I wonder if we will get official updates to add the flash 10.1, Multi-touch enabling and so fourth directly from Google/HTC.

Or maybe its how HTC did with Hero, I remember when an update came out it would be posted on the htc site along with a link and instructions on how to install them.

Good god, I can only hope not. I can't even imagine the complaints from people trying to install their own updates. Google would be asking to shot themselves in the foot.
Have you read have the complaints on the Nexus forum. Half of them can't figure how to turn the phone on and the other half shouldn't even be using a 'smartphone.' Sorry, if I'm being patronizing but that is why the iPhone 'works.' A 5 year old kid and use that thing.
Not an applefan boy. I love my Nexus One. I'm just saying it wouldn't be ideal. Every phone as an ip address to the internet so I'm sure they would somehow send it that way?

Doesn't the phone do an update check? then the phone downloads it, as opposed to it being "sent" to the phones...

trinode said:
Doesn't the phone do an update check? then the phone downloads it, as opposed to it being "sent" to the phones...
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Yes. The OTA update is really your phone checking for a new release and then downloading it and installing it if it's available. There is no push.
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archboy69 said:
Good god, I can only hope not. I can't even imagine the complaints from people trying to install their own updates. Google would be asking to shot themselves in the foot.
Have you read have the complaints on the Nexus forum. Half of them can't figure how to turn the phone on and the other half shouldn't even be using a 'smartphone.' Sorry, if I'm being patronizing but that is why the iPhone 'works.' A 5 year old kid and use that thing.
Not an applefan boy. I love my Nexus One. I'm just saying it wouldn't be ideal. Every phone as an ip address to the internet so I'm sure they would somehow send it that way?
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Yes you are being patronizing....Nokia give their updates both over the air and via PC. The choice of download and install is up to the user. Even via pc is straight forward any 5 year old could do it,in fact any fool could do it.....even you!

yeah, I maybe a fool that can update my phone but I'm pretty sure my 5 year old neice is not likely able to and brick her little hello kitty phone and rant and rave on the nexus forum of why the phone isn't booting up.
Have you been to Best Buy and listen to the people paying their money at the Geek Squad at the help station? Sure, there might be plenty of peole who are tech savy but the joe six pack....yeah sure.

archboy69 said:
yeah, I maybe a fool that can update my phone but I'm pretty sure my 5 year old neice is not likely able to and brick her little hello kitty phone and rant and rave on the nexus forum of why the phone isn't booting up.
Have you been to Best Buy and listen to the people paying their money at the Geek Squad at the help station? Sure, there might be plenty of peole who are tech savy but the joe six pack....yeah sure.
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Different people have different levels of knowledge and we all have to start somewhere, that's how we learn. Perhaps a little more patience on your part.
These forums are for people to air their problems and hopefully get some advice.
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Android 2.2 coming to the full myTouch 3G range

The whole Mytouch line getting Froyo Pretty soon T-mobile legit news.
I wandering how soon is soon lol they keep saying soon.
Check out the link even has a pamphlet.
http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/06/10/android-2-2-coming-to-the-full-mytouch-3g-range/

Bunch of **** teases thats all they are

"A modified version of the Faves Gallery"......oh joy, now everyone can 'enjoy' that stellar feature!

well, I have heard that it would have Froyo before launch date, that didn't happen. I heard it would be this week (with one day left is possible but not probable). I just saw in another post it would be next week (don't hold your breath). Some reports say by the end of the year. I am inclined to believe it will happen but we will not know when until we get it all of a sudden. Just my thoughts.

from our friend chief:
ChiefzReloaded
T-Mobile training was today in store for managers... froyo for mt3g and slide will start rolling out next week.... just fyi

hopefully with an updated sms app, So the normal mytouch is going to get all the sense crap too?

turboyo said:
hopefully with an updated sms app, So the normal mytouch is going to get all the sense crap too?
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Froyo is the Android base, not necessarily the UI

"...no phone left behind"
My cliq just rolled over in its grave is gave tmo the finger.

MrOtsKrad said:
"...no phone left behind"
My cliq just rolled over in its grave is gave tmo the finger.
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"No phone left behind no matter how long we make the Cliq guys wait! Oh... and let's just brush the Behold under the carpet and hope nobody notices that one."

This is likely what the big June 19th event was all about.

They say that is a Father's Day special on tmonews.com. Free phone with a family plan or something. I hope its really a froyo update. Either way if we get root soon... we can update now. well, when its ported. and with sense ui, that will be no easy task. Of course, they could port the desire rom.

I wonder how they could roll out FroYo for us next week when the Nexus doesn't even have it's OTA yet?
Unless Google is purposely waiting to do the OTA on the Nexus at the same time as the MyTouch line? Trying to even the playing field a bit?

chrisinaz said:
I wonder how they could roll out FroYo for us next week when the Nexus doesn't even have it's OTA yet?
Unless Google is purposely waiting to do the OTA on the Nexus at the same time as the MyTouch line? Trying to even the playing field a bit?
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Google has to mod the 2.2 AOSP code just like everyone else does for their devices. All the OHA members are privy to the latest code equally.
The reason the nexus got an update so far ahead last time appears to be that other other companies didn't appear to care about updating the phones. Now that they have google pushing updates so quickly to their own phone, they are making other phones look lame by having to wait so long for updates.

JCopernicus said:
Google has to mod the 2.2 AOSP code just like everyone else does for their devices. All the OHA members are privy to the latest code equally.
The reason the nexus got an update so far ahead last time appears to be that other other companies didn't appear to care about updating the phones. Now that they have google pushing updates so quickly to their own phone, they are making other phones look lame by having to wait so long for updates.
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Interesting theory. I guess there could be several theories behind it as well. I'll play devil's advocate here and say that maybe now, Google has decided not to update the Nexus as quickly either to allow the other devices to catch up, or because they simply don't care anymore (since they aren't selling it directly anymore).
Thoughts?

why would t-mobile open at 8am for an android update?.........

All I have to say is, froyo is going to rock on this slide.

as long as the bloatware they put in the slide will be gone... hate all the crap... >.< want root so i can get rid of the stupid programs that are useless!

Yeah apps2sd and tether will be nice for an unrooted phone. I think it is a little odd that the tmo stuff cannot be removed seeing as this phone is supposed to be "100% you" ...

NJAZ said:
Yeah apps2sd and tether will be nice for an unrooted phone. I think it is a little odd that the tmo stuff cannot be removed seeing as this phone is supposed to be "100% you" ...
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Hahahha! Exactly what I was thinking... yeah, It should have been removable. I got about 20MB by using factory data reset. All it did was erase some wallpapers and other minor, useless crap. I cant wait until the devs root this baby. Ive got like 20mb left on internal storage. sucks...
I would bet we dont see froyo unitl late summer or fall. HTC has to update sense ui for froyo, plus then the wait on tmobile. I would guess that the MT3G will get a froyo ota before we do.

Oh God... I just had a SCARY thought! What if tmobile doesnt include A2SD on their version of 2.2?! They sure did screw us on the live wallpapers for 2.1 on the MTS. Maybe that was just because of the sense ui. I mean it does animate the weather as a live wallpaper, sort of...

Ota 1.47.651.1 pulled

OTA 1.47.651.1 has been pulled as it is bricking some phones. Sprint has a internal notice floating around but I just figured that I should post this incase anyone was wondering.

Thank you for posting this. I was following the forums all day to see how the OTA was affecting rooted and non-rooted. It's ironic (and very unfortunate) that most stock users are getting bricked. Sprint not off to a good start with the EVO.

LOL much like the Hero.
I updated after monitoring, having only previously ran unrEVOked for wifi tether. Lucky for me, all is well.

Sprint is honestly not just off to a bad start with this phone, they're pretty much off to an awful start with it. Can't keep stock, can't replenish stock, bricked stock phones after OTA updates.
Not good problems to have.

I would bet it was a very small percentage that was having issues. From what I saw it was the fantom second update that was causing the problems. Anyway, some of the folks who know what to do with it, have it to take apart and use for the good of the rest of us.
Yippi!
-Roger

most non rooted getting bricked. prove it

I'm pretty glad I got mine. Helped my 4g strength somehow. I was dropping and switching back and forth (3g to 4g) and now I have full bars and drops to two bars every now and then. Also, phone works just as perfectly as before. I haven't rooted and won't until all of the kinks are worked out.

awesomeindeed said:
Sprint is honestly not just off to a bad start with this phone, they're pretty much off to an awful start with it. Can't keep stock, can't replenish stock, bricked stock phones after OTA updates.
Not good problems to have.
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Not keeping stock is not really a bad thing for Sprint. They're just selling a ton of Evo's. And I don't think it's Sprint's fault for not getting new devices in (more likely HTC or the manufacturers) and the OTA is from HTC. Sprint would be fine if HTC could get their act together, although most of the problems are few and far between.

Is the update file available somewhere? It's still legit. I had the option to update today at work but signal was bad so I waited until I got home. By then the update got pulled and I no longer had the update option. I'd like to get the new update on my phone since I heard it improves battery life considerably.
My money is that the phone bricking was a result of non-patient users who didn't let the update finish and/or those who blindly hit "accept" without doing the slightest amount of reading (like checking the version number vs. what they already have on the phone).... ie. Those who ran the update twice.

No root, no problems. I updated when it first came out. Haven't noticed anything different.
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awesomeindeed; said:
Sprint is honestly not just off to a bad start with this phone, they're pretty much off to an awful start with it. Can't keep stock, can't replenish stock, bricked stock phones after OTA updates.
Not good problems to have.
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Not being able to keep your product in stock because the demand is so high I would say is a pretty good problem to have.

It would be great if they posted a link for a download. Palm would always put their updates on they website for download. Can any body get it from their build who downloaded it?

evoxsin said:
It would be great if they posted a link for a download. Palm would always put their updates on they website for download. Can any body get it from their build who downloaded it?
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Here's a better version that will allow you to keep unrevoked's root:
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/evo_ota_2_patch

ericmcintire said:
Here's a better version that will allow you to keep unrevoked's root:
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/evo_ota_2_patch
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But what to download? I was referring to the official ota unpatched version. Also I'm uncertain how to boot the zip. The unpatched version is posted in the xda development section. But im lost on how to load the zip. Sorry I'm completely new to android. I'm a long palm user.

gthing said:
Not being able to keep your product in stock because the demand is so high I would say is a pretty good problem to have.
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not when the consumer has other great options available. you can potentially lose sales to competitors.

ericmcintire said:
Here's a better version that will allow you to keep unrevoked's root:
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/evo_ota_2_patch
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this is apparently corrupted. see the original thread in the development section.

madsquabbles said:
not when the consumer has other great options available. you can potentially lose sales to competitors.
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Considering iPhone 4s are sold out for the next few weeks (lines outside local AT&T / Apple stores for the second round of preorders this morning)...
And I imagine the same will be true for Verizon when it drops the Droid X...
All the "hot" phones are pretty much currently sold out.

lol go att captivate!

x Samsung Galaxy S GPS + other improvements for Samsung ATT Captivate are HERE! Today - next few weeks OTA notification will be sent to customers! 11 minutes ago · via HootSuite
Thanks for the support TMO!

Hopefully tmobile announces something later today or by the end of the week, cuz it seems like our update is around the corner :fingers crossed:
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Blah man said:
Hopefully tmobile announces something later today or by the end of the week, cuz it seems like our update is around the corner :fingers crossed:
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Doubt that because the still have no information about any of the update...

Android Central comments about the Captivate updates don't sound to impressive. issues with not installing and still GPS issues after the update?

Want to know how is he GPs working after the update!!

Emama said:
Want to know how is he GPs working after the update!!
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its not only gps. The Update Suppose to Improve The Battery Life as Well.

Emama said:
Want to know how is he GPs working after the update!!
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it isnt fixing the issue from what I read. AT&T also never mentions a GPS fix.
The more and more time that goes by, the more and more I want a G2 when it comes out honestly. Sumsung really dropped the ball here and its going to leave a bad taste in a lot of people's minds for a long time...
Windows Phone 7 anyone? This phone is making me think about it also.

jz9833 said:
it isnt fixing the issue from what I read. AT&T also never mentions a GPS fix.
The more and more time that goes by, the more and more I want a G2 when it comes out honestly. Sumsung really dropped the ball here and its going to leave a bad taste in a lot of people's minds for a long time...
Windows Phone 7 anyone? This phone is making me think about it also.
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WIndows 7 phone? LOL no thank you. i ll stick with my vibrant. i think the hardware in that phone is very advanced than what is in g2. we just need software updates that will fix the bugs.

jz9833 said:
it isnt fixing the issue from what I read. AT&T also never mentions a GPS fix.
The more and more time that goes by, the more and more I want a G2 when it comes out honestly. Sumsung really dropped the ball here and its going to leave a bad taste in a lot of people's minds for a long time...
Windows Phone 7 anyone? This phone is making me think about it also.
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You know what, I think Samsung is 50 percent to Blame. The other 50 percent is T-Mobile. T-MOBILE...simply does not support their phones.
Buying the G2 will be the same damn story. Sure it will come with 2.2, but as soon as 3.0 comes along, every other carrier will have it months before T-Mobile releases it on the G2, and you will cry and complain "the more and more I want Verizon."
I honestly think the problem is T-Mobile, and not so much the handset manufacturers.

tmobile is throwing Samsung under the bus, I got this back from a message I sent to Tmobiles facebook a bit ago..
Robert,
We understand your interest on updates Samsung is working on one and as soon as we have any more information on this we will communicate it.
.. notice they say that Samsung is working on one, I did ask about 2.2 though and not the gps fix.

SamsungVibrant said:
You know what, I think Samsung is 50 percent to Blame. The other 50 percent is T-Mobile. T-MOBILE...simply does not support their phones.
Buying the G2 will be the same damn story. Sure it will come with 2.2, but as soon as 3.0 comes along, every other carrier will have it months before T-Mobile releases it on the G2, and you will cry and complain "the more and more I want Verizon."
I honestly think the problem is T-Mobile, and not so much the handset manufacturers.
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Honestly, my biggest regret was leaving at&t. I left because I wasn't interested in an iphone, I noticed no good new WM apps were coming along, and I wanted a 3.5 mm headphone jack on my phone. The nexus filled all those needs so when it was released I jumped ship to t-mobile. I found out the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
I still have no idea why people say T-Mobiles customer support is better than AT&T; from everything I've seen it isn't even close.

Someone else posted on here before about T-Mobiles BB getting upgraded to V.5 not too long ago.. they have 6 out or it's close to release. T-Mobile does lack in this "Software/Firmware" Update department. They have some decent phones but don't support them enough.
It's amazing, when the G1 came out, yes it was the first Android phone but updates rolled out pretty quick. I know it was stock "Vanilla" Android but updates were addressed in a timely manor. But now they have the My Touch, My Touch Slide and Cliq series and now the Galaxy S phone.

Wow everyone is a bunch of goddamn vultures here. Waaah I've had my phone a month and a half Samsung and T-Mobile suck I want my updates waaah. People need to realize that updates need to go through a lot of steps. If you don't like your phone return it and get a different one.
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speoples20 said:
Wow everyone is a bunch of goddamn vultures here. Waaah I've had my phone a month and a half Samsung and T-Mobile suck I want my updates waaah. People need to realize that updates need to go through a lot of steps. If you don't like your phone return it and get a different one.
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speoples20 said:
Wow everyone is a bunch of goddamn vultures here. Waaah I've had my phone a month and a half Samsung and T-Mobile suck I want my updates waaah. People need to realize that updates need to go through a lot of steps. If you don't like your phone return it and get a different one.
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So what its perfectly ok for other Galaxy S phones that haven't been out as long as the Vibrant to be getting their updates, but not us? Honestly, I really think it has to do a lot with TMO and not Sammy. Luckily, I've rooted and running a custom ROM and Voodoo fix. I also know that doing that is not for everyone though.

The Captivate came out what like 3 days after the Vibrant? Maybe tmo and Samsung are waiting to see how the update goes on the Captivate. It wont matter anyways we could get it tomorrow and people will still complain that it's not 2.2 or their phone is still not fast enough or some other bullcrap.
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speoples20 said:
Wow everyone is a bunch of goddamn vultures here. Waaah I've had my phone a month and a half Samsung and T-Mobile suck I want my updates waaah. People need to realize that updates need to go through a lot of steps. If you don't like your phone return it and get a different one.
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Your joking right? First almost 2 1/2 months. Second the others all got a update as mentioned.
All other phones with 1ghz are running froyo, even a hd2 without android has it.lom

I vote we get /b/ to start ****. Maybe then we might get some movement from T-Mo and Samsung... just me? >.>

not that it will do anything to Tmobile but I've decided that whoever gets 2.2 on the Galaxy S device first is who I will be switching to. If its Tmobile then I won't be going anywhere, but if another carrier can get it out before Tmobile see ya.
Tmobile launched this device First int he US there is no reason they should not be the first to release the OS update even if it takes them till November

I do agree that they need to support their phones better. But at least TMO isn't forcing bing down our throats either.
I come from the Blackberry side of the fence and I remember when 5.0 devices were new last year it took forever for TMO to release an update for the 9700, and that original release was filled with bugs. I finally gave up on waiting for them and simply downloaded another carrier's release. Easy to do on that platform.
I like the Vibrant for the most part. Yes it has bugs; yes it's quality needs to be improved. Yes the GPS kind of sucks. But what other high-end phone out there doesn't have issues these days? I'm sure the G2 will have them as well.

You're kidding me right?

Is the LG Ally seriously getting a froyo update before the fascinate. Yet another reason why I hate Samsung & Verizon
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-ally-about-get-froyo-update
You can rant with frustration & disappointment below. lol.

I gave up on samsung updating us a while ago. I know this doesn't mean much, but I was at a verizon store the other day so for the hell of it I asked when we were getting our froyo update. He blatantly said "you're not getting it." At least I know I can count on the awesome devs to unleash the true potential of this phone. Thank you kaos, jt, birdman, geeknik, adrynalyne, sonofskywalker, and anyone else I forgot. You guys are awesome
EDIT: I forgot....THANK YOU IVORY for donating the fascinate to kaos!!
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halfcourtshoes said:
Is the LG Ally seriously getting a froyo update before the fascinate. Yet another reason why I hate Samsung & Verizon
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-ally-about-get-froyo-update
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Not sure why you mention Verizon, since they're the ones pushing the LG update. Shouldn't is just be Samsung?

I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.

adrynalyne said:
I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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I'm thinking I'm glad I'm standing pat on... umm... whatever the hell was before DL09... DJ05?
I just picked up my morning coffee.

The Ally was released in May, they have been waiting a lot longer...
(Though some of the other US SGS phones were released in June.)

Well, some of them were promised 2.0 and their updates stopped at 1.6.

"Enhanced browser performance for faster loading of Java Script pages. Note: Adobe Flash browsing will not be supported on this device"
Did you guys MISS that line ???? No Flash browser, might as well not be 2.2....

Yes, we totally are kidding!
Verizon released Froyo for the Fascinate yesterday, but they just won't give it to you. Why? We're not sure. Maybe you didn't pay your bill on time, or maybe they're prejudiced against people with {insert your hair color here} hair. They can be pretty capricious that way.
The rest of us are rocking it, but nobody has posted here about it because we all like keeping secrets and making you angry.
Toodles!

Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.

pvgomer said:
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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Please don't spread rumors. There are enough in the blogosphere to do it for you.

pvgomer said:
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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You hit this one right on the head! Sammy needs a lesson on what "open source" is. Although I think Verizon could be a little more vocal, in the end it all comes down to Sammy.

adrynalyne said:
I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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Agreed and there web site is down so I can't download the media recovery and was unable to find the toolboot exe
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pvgomer said:
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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Please don't perpetuate unverified rumors.

mexiken said:
"Enhanced browser performance for faster loading of Java Script pages. Note: Adobe Flash browsing will not be supported on this device"
Did you guys MISS that line ???? No Flash browser, might as well not be 2.2....
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Actually, I would gladly take 2.2 without flash to get JIT and chrome to phone, not to mention some apps are coded to only work on newer versions.

gbmitchell said:
Actually, I would gladly take 2.2 without flash to get JIT and chrome to phone, not to mention some apps are coded to only work on newer versions.
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I would, but the majority of the tools and noobs in here only care about Flash. I'm actually most excited about JIT and the ability to upgrade integrated apps independent of software updates (like Gmail for example)

adrynalyne said:
I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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Really? Don't leave us Adrynalyne. It's making me mad too. I was forced to update to DL09 since I got my phone replaced today, and I went back to DJ05. And then the CD bug happened. It's such an awesome phone, crippled by poor carrier/manufacturer support.

Im not leaving...its just the OCD in me kills me on things like this.
We got it resolved yesterday, anyway.

I'm new to this forum and still trying to find my way around it, so could you point me in the direction of the usb situation fix please? Thank you.
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