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I was pondering possible reasons for the battery life problem that many of us are well aware of. Some peoples batterys will last a good day or two and then theres people like me who charge my phone in the morning and when i get home in the afternoon just to keep it alive and this is compared with people using the same rom. So i thought maybe there could be something to do with what the battery level is when the phone is rooted or a new rom flashed, and this process may reduce the battery cycle to a specific point. E.g. if i 1st root and load my new rom on my phone at 50%, when booted it could show 100% but its actually 50% than it should be. i have not tested this but im just putting it forward as an idea. if anyone does have the time to unroot, charge to 100% and then reroot their phone + custom rom and test the battery life could they please post their results here. No harm in trying ...
EDIT:It seems we have found a solution or alteast a way to greatly improve battery life by putting my random idea and the information from maxisma togethere.. here are the following steps:
1. When the battery is low e.g. 10% boot into recovery mode and wipe->battery data
2. Reboot and then drain the battery or let it die (turn on mobile network add the 'sync now' widget and keep syncing with the music on loud - works pretty fast)
3. Leaving the phone dead put it on charge and let it charge fully till the led indicates green (may take longer than normal)
4. UNPLUG!! the charger then boot the phone up and your battery life should be much better
TIP!! Remeber when changing and flashing new roms to unplug the phone from charge after you boot!
Hope this works for you all PM me for results (i went from 5-10% loss an hour to what is now about 1-2% max )
Nice idea but almost certain your wrong
Edit: turns out that you shouldn't boot your phone while charging after all
I've think it's more likely to do with how I charge my phone. If I charge the phone on my PC then the battery lasts me a day. On Sunday night I charged it with a mains charger, and a day and a half later I still have 40% left. That's with constant WiFi, Talk, calls and text messages.
Sometimes I'll do the same things mentioned above and the battery will be about 20% by the time I'm going to bed.
I could be very wrong, I'm no battery expert!
There shouldn't be any difference between PC charging and mains charging. The mains charger would utilise a transformer to give the same oomph as a PC gives...if not it'd fry the battery whilst charging.
Funnily enough, mains AC - DC transforms are a little choppy, although at such a low current it should be entirely negligible, but your PC's power supply should give a cleaner power output than the mains. Are you sure it isn't just a placebo, I still like to think charging my PSP via the mains rather than USB will do it quicker and last longer, since its dedicated
TheAshMan said:
I've think it's more likely to do with how I charge my phone. If I charge the phone on my PC then the battery lasts me a day. On Sunday night I charged it with a mains charger, and a day and a half later I still have 40% left. That's with constant WiFi, Talk, calls and text messages.
Sometimes I'll do the same things mentioned above and the battery will be about 20% by the time I'm going to bed.
I could be very wrong, I'm no battery expert!
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I've heard this theory before. I can't even begin to fathom how this could be possible. I hereby dismiss it as 'rubbish'.
Seriously though, I think it's far more likely to be related to the apps/widgets people are using after flashing the rom. The only thing that differs drastically from build to build is the different apps that people install.
Might be worth those with very crap battery lives sending me an hours worth of logcat. I can do an hours worth of logcat for myself (I never have battery issues), and compare the results.
He's partly right.
Android has a bug that when it's plugged into a charger while booting up, it'll report a higher battery status than it actually is.
This is preventing the phone from charging the battery completely.
So, a recommendation for you: Always unplug your phone from the charger before powering it up.
Attempt
Since my last post ive drained my battery out. Kept the phone off and charged it fully. It did take longer than normal which could be a good thing. Ive booted it up about 15 mins ago and il post later/tomorrow about how the battery performs now.
WOOO
I maybe jumping the gun a bit here but my phone says an up time of 1hour 27 mins. and normally its about an hour to about 5-10% of battery life and im sorry to say... im still on 100% WOO . I will still report how this lasts through to tomorrow, however i think theres enough evidence to suggest that the method stated earlier seems to fix what seemed to be a 'shortend battery cycle'. Anyone else with a short battery life i advise you to do the same asi have and please feedback to me with any results.. hope this has been helpful
EDIT: Its been two hours now and still 100% woooo
I got escited too bratfink when I had 100% battery for ages while it was in sleep, then I dl'd a few progs from market and whoosh my battery started disappearing faster than expected. Try downloading a few things and you'll see your battry disappearing quicktime.
minfree or ramzswap off could be causing the issue.
I remember before I put that tweak on my phone (when it first came out), my battery life was amazing.
After I put the values in for init.d as from the forum page below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622666&page=6
the battery life started disappearing like mad! and this was on a modaco rom!
I think now that all the new 2.1 roms are including this minfree tweak it is causing this battery issue to be carried over. All attempts to reduce battery drain are not having as much effect as they could because of this.
I would like to try one of these new roms without the tweak but I do not have the knowhow to stop it. i.e. put the original init.d (or equivalent) for the the roms in place.
You might argue that the memory clearing has nothing to do with the battey drain, but what i saw was that it did on a modaco rom. I don't know whether it is the switching of ramzswap or the minfree settings ( i have a feeling it is both.
Can a chef cook one of their roms without the tweak and keep the original settings?
adb remount
adb shell rm /system/etc/init.d/02memkill
then reboot.
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adb remount
adb shell rm /system/etc/init.d/02memkill
then reboot.
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I'm on the BeHero v1.3.2,m will that command put my phone memory settings back to what they would normally be without the taskkiller?
If so can I just remove that file with OI file explorer as atm my laptop usb aint working (can't connect to phone properly, can only charge)
If you use Bluetooth, GPS*, or plug/unplug usb, CPU lock at 528Mhz and battery drain. This happend in all eris/roms.
I can see with Battery Graph while I sleep the battery is full, but no reason (only unlock to check time, kill alarms, read mail,...) the battery drains constantly. (no tweeter, no facebook, no GPS, no BT,..),
This kernel sucks. It's very buggy but is what is
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adb remount
adb shell rm /system/etc/init.d/02memkill
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It's OK managed to fix the usb on my laptop.
I am currently performing the third step...i really hope this works cuz I am getting really really horrible battery life right now...I get only about 8 hours with ocassional use...like listening to music, browsing, taking pictures, sms.
thanks for posting this thread.
Ill post the results tomorrow ( hopefully positive)
I noticed that using the overclock widget (even with the lower clock option when screen is off) also eats some battery, it definitely reduced my usage time on Android 1.5.
Could someone confirm?
I dont know what it is and why people have this bad battery drain.
I have the VillainRom 3.4 installed. Totally NO drain. I turned on Bluetooth and called several times. Battery drain is 8% in 12 hours .
I did not install any widgets. Pure standard custom ROM with newest radio.
Leeejohn said:
I dont know what it is and why people have this bad battery drain.
I have the VillainRom 3.4 installed. Totally NO drain. I turned on Bluetooth and called several times. Battery drain is 8% in 12 hours .
I did not install any widgets. Pure standard custom ROM with newest radio.
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exactly my view.
I'm using HeroDroid and i had really bad battery drain problem. I'm a sort of heavy user and with bluetooth & gps permantly on, my phone had drained out by lunch time. After doing some tests, i have found that my problem was related to GPS. If i boot my phone with GPS off and left it at off, i get the same battery level usage as my original cupcake 1.5 ROM. Perharps you guys can try it and post your results.
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I'm using HeroDroid and i had really bad battery drain problem. I'm a sort of heavy user and with bluetooth & gps permantly on, my phone had drained out by lunch time. After doing some tests, i have found that my problem was related to GPS. If i boot my phone with GPS off and left it at off, i get the same battery level usage as my original cupcake 1.5 ROM. Perharps you guys can try it and post your results.
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I found that to help as well. In the last 3h10m it only went down by 4%. That's definitely a lot better than what I was getting before and with the previous ROM. I am using the new Autokiller and Overclock widget if that helps any and booted up with my GPS off and followed the steps mentioned in the first post.
hmm if its the case that the phone is "capping" the maximum amount of charge the phone can have then it should take longer to charge also
my battery life i kinda okay, lasts 10-12 hours with intermediate use, using battey graph app it took me 70 mins to charge from 40% to 100%
ill let it drain out tonight and see how long it takes for a full charge
it would be good if we could compare results with people with and without battery problems
I'm within my 30days
I love this phone.
My battery discharges rapidly, especially their the first 5 mins off the charger.
I have been looking at this issue, but I am new to android.
I find it funny we can't actually see a battery percentage without installing third party apps. Then Sprint tries to say that these apps are the cause of the issue.
Trust me, I understand that this phone will drain the battery more rapidly than a lot of other phones. But there is something wrong with the way this phone charges the battery, therefore we see less battery life.
Can anyone prove or disprove their little claim that I am killing the battery by looking at its performance?
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tell him that the phone and the plan is also draining your wallet, may be you should do something about that too
the reason your battery sometimes drops so quickly after you take it off the charger has been well documented. several threads with ways to improve the battery as well.
it has to do with the way the battery actually charges. it charges to 100% then allows the phone to discharge to 90% then charges up again...so at any time when you unplug the phone you may have 91% to 100% charge. or something like that.
1) have you tried conditioning your battery? (plug, wait, unplug, rinse repeat)
2) are you rooted? (try using something like SetCPU or JuiceDefender)
3) are you on stock or custom rom? (the custom kernel devs have been working on this issue)
hmmmm...how could you possibly disprove the sprint person? try not using it for a couple days...see what happens.
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try not using it for a couple days...see what happens.
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No doubt....my withdrawals kick in after its been in my pocket for too long...
While do appreciate the input, I disagree with it being well documented. I have tried both top off methods, aka conditioning, and it seems to give you more of a charge, but as soon as discharge the battery you are right back where you started, conditioning the battery every morning is not ideal.
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If the phone is new, its going to take a few cycles to improve. I remember when in my first week it wouldn't last a day. Now I can get 20-30 hours out of it. (ROMs and tweaking of course.)
There are tons of threads detailing what you can do to improve battery life... What have you done?
The purpose of a battery graph is to compare how your phone discharges to how your phone is being used. What plotting app do you have?
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If the phone is new, its going to take a few cycles to improve. I remember when in my first week it wouldn't last a day. Now I can get 20-30 hours out of it. (ROMs and tweaking of course.)
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This is false...lithium batteries do not get broken in or conditioned. What you saw is more than likely a result of constant using your new toy. The novelty has worn off and you have tweaked it so now you have extended the battery life.
I have disabled Bluetooth, WiFi, gps, and 4g
I set the radio to cdma only, and this led to problems. So I cleared all data And started over.
Are youguys seriously ok with 'conditioning' your batteries every morning?
Sometimes I think people think I'm just trying to find faults with this device. I want to keep the phone, but I also want this problem clearly identified and resolved. I should not have to use my tilt 2 to charge my battery because my new state of the art phone can't do it correctly.
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lettcco said:
tell him that the phone and the plan is also draining your wallet, may be you should do something about that too
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it's called the Fat Wallet Mod Discussed in other threads also,
But yes, I think it's dumb to have to condition the phone to get the best battery life, and how I have to get soo much good Light to take a good camera shot when other comparable phones don't need too. You have to weigh the goods and bad yourself.
The discharging of the battery is necessary as trickle charging a lithium battery is not recommended...thus this leads to you possibly having 95% instead of the full 100%. This is normal. Just unplug the device and charge again, or top it of in the car.
You never mentioned if you were rooted or not. If you don't use the news then don't sync it. If you don't use gtalk then disable it and turn off the auto sign in...i found that this app uses a lot of battery and its turned on by default.
It is not conditioning your battery.
When you charge your new evo and it hits 100%, the phone STOPS charging. It has no trickle charge. It begins charging again at 90% if still plugged in, although it reads 100% until it comes off the charger.
SO, when you unplug it, it says 100%, but could be anywhere between 90 and 100. If you simply unplug your phone, wait for it to display something other than fully charged (usually takes 30-60 seconds), then plug it back in, it will then charge back to 100%. You can simply unplug it, wait a few and then plug it back in while you go about your shower and cereal. When you are ready to leave the house you'll probably be at or near 100% instead of seeing it drop to something much lower.
This is NOT conditioning your battery. A more appropriate term would be "bump charging". As you are simply bumping it back to a charge state when it was in a resting state.
Another GREAT method of increasing battery life is resetting your battery stats. This is clearing out what the phone defines as full, and as empty and setting up these values again. I am not sure why, but they are off on many phones. They also get wiped anytime you flash a new rom so this procedure would again be in order if you experience poor battery life.
These are the instructions straight off cyanogen wiki. You can also reset them using Amon recovery.
Battery recalibration
If you're experiencing higher than normal battery drain, try the following:
1.Charge the phone to full battery; let it keep charging until the battery says it is fully charged. Do not just wait until the light is green, it isn't always fully charged, causing a lot of inaccuracies. (You can check by going to: Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Level = Full.)
2.Boot to recovery mode and go to console (or adb shell) and type:
mount -a
rm /data/system/batterystats.bin
NOTE: Newer Amon_Ra and ClockworkMod recoveries have an option to delete the battery stats, do this in place of the console commands above.
NOTE: To have the most accurate of battery stats, reboot the phone immediately after wiping the battery stats and wait for CM to boot completely to the desktop. Once your entire boot is done and you have full access to the phone, go ahead and pull the charger and continue with this troubleshooter.
1.Do not charge the phone until after draining the battery completely, resulting in it automatically shutting off.
2.Recharge the phone completely and then use as you normally would.
Excellent write up carguy... +15 internets to you
surrealmethod said:
Excellent write up carguy... +15 internets to you
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why thank you kind sir!
potna said:
I'm within my 30days
I love this phone.
My battery discharges rapidly, especially their the first 5 mins off the charger.
I have been looking at this issue, but I am new to android.
I find it funny we can't actually see a battery percentage without installing third party apps. Then Sprint tries to say that these apps are the cause of the issue.
Trust me, I understand that this phone will drain the battery more rapidly than a lot of other phones. But there is something wrong with the way this phone charges the battery, therefore we see less battery life.
Can anyone prove or disprove their little claim that I am killing the battery by looking at its performance?
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App
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sprint rep is an idiot and if you took the time to search instead of making this post you could have saved yourself some trouble
no...i can't imagine anyone 'conditions' their battery daily. however, if experiencing issues wiping the stats and doing the conditioning thing do have an impact.
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sprint rep is an idiot and if you took the time to search instead of making this post you could have saved yourself some trouble
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While most of the battery problem isn't the plotter app, the plotter app is using a fair amount of battery, so I usually would recommend not having such apps running except when you are diagnosing problems. Turn off various apps sync settings and keep background apps to a minimum, like juice plotter, battery widgets, and other data intensive apps and widgets. That right there will save you some power. Other than that, follow all the excellent suggestions that are already in this thread. Oh, and I find I get better battery when I just don't worry about it. I set up all my sync services and then leave them alone. Then just go about my day, using my phone as needed. Constantly worrying about it only wastes power because you are constantly fiddling with settings and apps.
PROTIP: Never believe anything a cellular rep tells you. Ever. EVER!
The Evo just has terrible battery life, that's my personal conclusion. One of the trade offs with such a huge screen and such. You'd think that in this day and age battery technology would have kept up with all the other bells and whistles, but no.
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It is not conditioning your battery.
When you charge your new evo and it hits 100%, the phone STOPS charging. It has no trickle charge. It begins charging again at 90% if still plugged in, although it reads 100% until it comes off the charger.
SO, when you unplug it, it says 100%, but could be anywhere between 90 and 100. If you simply unplug your phone, wait for it to display something other than fully charged (usually takes 30-60 seconds), then plug it back in, it will then charge back to 100%. You can simply unplug it, wait a few and then plug it back in while you go about your shower and cereal. When you are ready to leave the house you'll probably be at or near 100% instead of seeing it drop to something much lower.
This is NOT conditioning your battery. A more appropriate term would be "bump charging". As you are simply bumping it back to a charge state when it was in a resting state.
Another GREAT method of increasing battery life is resetting your battery stats. This is clearing out what the phone defines as full, and as empty and setting up these values again. I am not sure why, but they are off on many phones. They also get wiped anytime you flash a new rom so this procedure would again be in order if you experience poor battery life.
These are the instructions straight off cyanogen wiki. You can also reset them using Amon recovery.
Battery recalibration
If you're experiencing higher than normal battery drain, try the following:
1.Charge the phone to full battery; let it keep charging until the battery says it is fully charged. Do not just wait until the light is green, it isn't always fully charged, causing a lot of inaccuracies. (You can check by going to: Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Level = Full.)
2.Boot to recovery mode and go to console (or adb shell) and type:
mount -a
rm /data/system/batterystats.bin
NOTE: Newer Amon_Ra and ClockworkMod recoveries have an option to delete the battery stats, do this in place of the console commands above.
NOTE: To have the most accurate of battery stats, reboot the phone immediately after wiping the battery stats and wait for CM to boot completely to the desktop. Once your entire boot is done and you have full access to the phone, go ahead and pull the charger and continue with this troubleshooter.
1.Do not charge the phone until after draining the battery completely, resulting in it automatically shutting off.
2.Recharge the phone completely and then use as you normally would.
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I'm sorry but that all sounds like the formula to derive the circumference of the nucleus of an atomic variable perpendicular to the perimeter of the nth root in relation to the isosceles of the .........geezus, all that just to get a smidgen of decent battery life...
coming form other android phones, ive learned to wipe batt stats in recovery to get the best life.
normaly i wind up seeing voltage @ 100% a little over 4.260v
now on our phones we dont have that option, and i noticed while trying out diferent roms that its hitting " 100% " at various voltages depending on what the batt truely was when flashing.
if i recall the file is : /data/system/batterystats.bin that we need to delete? corect?
well, before i did it, it hit 100% @ 3.782v and wouldnt go any higher...
now, im sitting @4.246... im not 100% sure its fully charged. ill let it sit overnight turned off and see where i wind up.
UPDATE 11-20
SO, voltages have been confirmed.
100% = 4.20-4.25 depending on battery condition
0%= dependent on the kernel generaly 3.2-3.0 {found some as high as 3.7v!} thank you to hastarin for pointing the files out
if your not seeing 4.2v your not getting full battery life.
sure enough, i was sitting just shy of 4.3v this am after an overnight charge with the phone turned off...
Interesting info, but where would you find out the voltage the battery is producing?
so, how to wipe the battery stats?
time to get down and dirty and learn to navigate thru the android OS.
download and set up the android SDK
http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
heres a newbie guide to adb in the nexus forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619153
for those less computer literate, you can use droid explorer to do alot of the stuff thru a GUI. it also will set up adb for you.
http://de.codeplex.com/
the code that you type in to remove the battery stats is
Code:
rm data/system/batterystats.bin
now to properly condition the battery.
turn off the phone, plug it in, preferably overnight.
boot the phone up while still pluged in.
delete the batterystats.bin file ether thru adb or terminal
drain the battery fully, untill it powers down. wait a min or two and reboot it to completely drain it.
congrats... your phone now knows corect voltage values for 100% and dead.
Remember: Flashing a new Android build erases the battery stats, and automaticly rebuilds them based on voltages it see's .
ie: you need to recondition after each flash to get max battery life.
i use the "battery life" widget by curvefish to show me temp, voltage etc.
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Interesting info, but where would you find out the voltage the battery is producing?
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some builds will show actual voltage under menu/about phone/battery use
otherwise i use the " battery life" widget by curvefish, available for free from the market. once you add it to the screen, tap it, hit settings, then check both charging info and extended info.
after conditioning the battery, im currently @27 hours since unplugging, gps, and wifi turned on the entire time, im @ 3.873v or 61%! granted, its been light usage its my secondary phone right now, but i am on the outskirts of service, and the week signal usualy sucks the battery...
ill update again , probably this time tomorow once it finaly dies...
just a little food for thought: its been over 27 hours since i unpluged, and my voltage is still higher than what the phone assumed was 100% @ the time of the initial flash....
@ 50 hours (still 10%) i finaly got sick of waiting for it to die. i turned screen on full bright, and ran gps test and locked the screen on. phone finaly died @ 2.988v im now charging it again with the phone turned off.
Umm why do we need this though ?
Wont the phone keep running as long as there is sufficient voltage in the battery ?
What is the use of this method ?
This is for people who have found a build they are happy with and want to use for a while so that their battery lasts longer, much longer. As the OP has posted, his phone is currently lasting about as long as it does in WinMo which is an impressive feat, more so being as he's running his GPS non-stop at the same time.
I for one am going to do this myself when I get the time. If I knew whether my alarm would go off while the phone was switched off (for the overnight charge) I'd do it tonight but cannot risk being late for work tomorrow lol
Thanks Reno but I meant HOW does it work ?
I thought this method just helps you see your battery's percentage .. Wont the battery run no matter what the percentage show as long as the battery has a charge ?
Can someone please explain this ?
Yeah I cant afford not waking up late as well, so im charging it while its on, would that affect anything ?
It will still charge up the battery wouldnt it ?
as stated in the op.... when you flash a build, android assumes whatever that voltage is =100% so if you realy only have 50% (about 3.7v) thats all it will charge to...
100% is realy 4.2v , this recalibrates it to alow it to fully charge.
do they not teach reading comprehension now a days? its not just this thread... its the whole forum!
Oh ok thanks ! Makes sense ..
Well I charged my phone during the night while it was switched on, in the morning the battery stated it has 4.212mV
Do I need to recalibrate it ?
recalibrating cant hurt.
For those of you who are using droidexplorer.... when right clicking on batterystats.bin and selecting delete the file does not disappear... is this how its suppose to be? If that is not suppose to happen then where exactly do you type "rm data/system/batterystats.bin"
in the console
for what its worth: Li-Io battery technology realy isnt different whether it be a phone, rc car, etc...
our batterys are a single cell. ie: rated 3.7v
4.2-4.25v is concidered by the industry as fully charged
3.7v is nominal voltage
3.2v "shorted" voltage : ie: voltage sag due to max discharge @nominal voltage
3.0v discharged
2.5v protection circuitry kicks in.
this jives with what i am now seeing on my phone after wipeing stats and calibrating...
it is also a industry standard to fully discharge ( 3.0v )about every 30 discharge cycles.
people please post what you are seeing for voltages 100/0 % before complaining about battery life.
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For those of you who are using droidexplorer.... when right clicking on batterystats.bin and selecting delete the file does not disappear... is this how its suppose to be? If that is not suppose to happen then where exactly do you type "rm data/system/batterystats.bin"
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So this ^^^^ is the adb command?
Then I would type in
adb devices
rm data/system/batterystats.bin
Is this right,or is there any other commands I need after I put in adb devices?
very interesting
maybe i should try it..
4.2v @100%
This is just a quick question from a bit of logical thinking really...
Once we've got a properly calibrated Batterystats.bin file, can we back that up and use it with other builds?
Can we also therefore share it with other peoples phones as well?
I have allready read:
Battery recalibration (Thanks to Cyanogen for this and to fachadick for bringing it to my attention).
If you're experiencing higher than normal battery drain, try the following:
1. Charge the phone to full battery; let it keep charging until the battery says it is fully charged. Do not just wait until the light is green, it isn't always fully charged, causing a lot of inaccuracies. (You can check by going to: Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Level = Full.)
2. Boot to recovery and wipe battery stats.
(To have the most accurate of battery stats, reboot the phone immediately after wiping the battery stats and wait for your ROM to boot completely to the desktop. Once your entire boot is done and you have full access to the phone, go ahead and pull the charger and continue.)
3. Do not charge the phone until after draining the battery completely, resulting in it automatically shutting off. Take out the battery, and keep trying to turn on your phone until it will not turn back on at all.
4. Recharge the phone completely and then use as you normally would.
This is a method that has been proven to work, I am sure there are other ways. My battery lasts longer after doing this and the reading is much more accurate. It might be advisable to do this after every ROM install if you want the most battery life and most accurate battery reading by the phone's software.
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My question is dose the phone need to be off or on for stage 4 the recharging of the battery?
If it can be off for stage 4. Dose it need to be charged in one sitting or can I charge it partially then take it to work and then charge it the rest of the way before I turn the phone back on?
This my second attempt at doing a battery stats wipe. The first time I tried I left the phone on wile charging and the battery only charged to 3800mV calming it was at 100%. I had to bump charge it 3 times over 3 hours before the battery was up to 4100mV-4200mV and clmaing 100% charge capacity.
Evo 4g Ur3 Stock root Seidio 3500mAh extended life battery.
1) You can have it on
2) NO! charge it from 0-100% in one sitting
I did it according to the above with my 1&2 and im getting accurate readings now as well as the battery life i should have.
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1) You can have it on
2) NO! charge it from 0-100% in one sitting
I did it according to the above with my 1&2 and im getting accurate readings now as well as the battery life i should have.
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I wonder if this means that I will not be able to have proper battery stats as my phone likes to stop charging and claim that it's at 100% when its actually at 50-80%/ (It dose this 95% of the time... It even did it with the stock battery stock battery a couple of times)
Standart disclaimer: I am not responsible if you break things by following this guide, though I will be genuinely surprised if you do.
Credits: This fix is a combination of battery management techniques discussed in the Atrix forums + a technique that I originally found in a Milestone forum (I didn't invent it, but I am too lazy to search who originally posted it ).
This worked in fixing the problem for me (the same problem that I see many others are writing about on the forums), but I can't guarantee it will work for you.
Who should use this? (aka your battery problem symptoms are
1. Battery life on 2.3.4 is significantly worse for you than before.
2. Battery stats are jumping and showing inconsistent information.
3. Your phone loses 30%-60% just by sitting there overnight.
4. Phone idle draining 30%-60% of battery just by sitting there overnight.
5. After flashing a couple of roms, your battery stats got messed up and the phone thinks it's at 100% charge while it's not.
I personally started having battery problems after flashing a couple of roms, applying 1% battery mod and despite flashing jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix.
When I went to bed with a 100% charge, I would wake up to a 50% charge, with Phone Idle process showing up as massacring the battery. The steps below successfully fixed the problem for me.
Prerequisites:
1. Atrix on one of the rooted 2.3.4 roms (ideally,- deodexed and with unlocked CWM)
2. Wall Charger
3. jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix (put it on your SD card you will need it later!) I have also attached it to this post.
4. Battery Calibration app from the market
5. Watchdog Lite or Full from the market
Instructions:
It's best to complete this procedure in the evening before going to bed, so you can leave it at 100% overnight and check in the morning if the drainage issue is fixed!!!
The whole procedure along with recalibration might take up to 5-6 hours!
1. Take the case off your Atrix (one of the latter steps involves taking the battery out from the phone while it's plugged in. Make sure your case won't stand in the way.)
2. Install Battery Calibration app from the market
3. Plug in your Atrix to charge while it's on, wait till it gets to a 100%
4. When the charge is 100%, open the BatteryCalibration app and lookup what the charge is in MV while at 100%. (Explanatory pic, needed number circled in red). Write it down.
My Atrix was showing ~3400MV while at 100%, which is definitely not the maximum capacity.
5. Discharge your Atrix completely until it shuts off.
A good way of doing this quickly is by turning on wifi, and a video player.
6. Without turning on the phone plug it into a wall charger and let it get to 100%
7. When it's at 100%, without unplugging it from the wall charger, take off the battery cover, and take the battery out.
Your phone will "reboot" and show a Missing Battery icon.
8. Without unplugging the phone from the wall charger or turning it on, put the battery back in and wait until the phone recognizes the battery.
9. Your battery should now be recognized by the phone, and showing a charge % significantly lower than 100%.
Mine showed only 5%. Back when I used a Milestone, it usually showed 60% after doing this.
10. Let it sit there charging for 2-3 hours.
My phone wouldn't charge past 10%, but yours might. The numbers don't matter much as the phone is definitely getting additional charge that could have been lost while flashing ROMs, etc.
11. After 2-3 hours, turn the phone on while holding the volume down button and get into CWM.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
12. Install jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix (even if you had it installed before), do not reboot yet.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
13. Wipe battery stats in CWM, reboot.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
14. When the phone turns on, go into BatteryCalibration app again and look up your MV numbers
- if you were like me, they should be significantly higher than before. After this whole process I had 4200MV at 100%, comparing to 3400MV before calibration.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
15. Before going to sleep - Install Watchdog from the market. Go into it's preferences, set CPU threshhold to 20%, check "Include phone processes", check "Monitor phone processes", check "Display all phone processes", set system CPU threshhold to 20% as well.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
16. Make sure your wifi and data connections are off. Now finally unplug the phone from the charger.
Go to bed, let your phone sleep too.
17. Success! Next morning check where your battery % is at and if you followed the instructions correctly / got lucky like me, your battery life should be 90% or more.
I went to bed with 98% and woke up to 94%. So, I consider this mission a success.
(Your general battery capacity should have increased, even if something still was draining the battery, you will be able to find the infringing process in WatchDog with the settings we've set up in step 15 )
That's all folks! Please report your success / lack of such here. Also, feel free to ask questions, and I along with other users with answer them according to our ability.
I will later add a section on "good practices for battery usage" with tips and tricks.
Cheers!
Attached are screenshots of my results after calibration: This was under moderate usage. Pretty damn good if you ask me.
Post-calibration methods of improving Battery Life
Updated: Post#2 will explain how to solve battery drainage problems when recalibration wasn't enough. It will also explain how battery reporting works, common practices, tips, tricks, etc.
Battery Tips / Tricks / Common Practices
Important things to know:
1. It's important to understand how battery indicator on Android works and how Android manages / reports your battery life. Please read this article:
Your Smartphone’s Battery Gauge is Lying to You (and it’s not such a bad thing)
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/25/you...is-lying-to-you-and-its-not-such-a-bad-thing/
2. Li-ion batteries used in modern smartphones don't have "charge memory". Partial charges won't hurt the battery (e.g. charging from 60% to 80% or from 10% to 50% etc). Feel free to give your phone small charges whenever you have time and need the phone to last longer.
3. Smartphone batteries don't like to be completely discharged or to be kept at 100% capacity for extended periods of time (this actually damages batteries over time). But worry not, the battery software prevents this from happening for you. That's why some of your phones never get to 100% or drop from 100% to 90% minutes after you disconnct the phone from a charger.
4. All batteries gradually lose a small percentage of their capacity after a certain amount of charge cycles. It's a natural part of life. It's always nice to have a spare battery or to purchase a replacement when your current battery isn't to the task anymore.
5. Don't pay much attention to the battery %, just use your phones. I know it's very tempting to track your battery usage every 15 minutes and try to find problems. Been there myself. Thing is, if you do this, you might start thinking you have problems, when you don't have any.
Bottom line - just try to use your phone and not mess with the battery unless problems become really apparent.
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Other proven ways to improve Battery Life
If you have re-calibrated to a full capacity (4200mv) but your battery still drains terribly - follow these steps to pin point the problem.
1. Find which app / process is draining the battery.
If you get lucky, the infringing app will show up directly under the stock "Battery Usage" statistics. However, in most cases "Battery Usage" isn't very informative. Most people report that they only see "Phone Idle" consuming most of the battery without much insight into the details.
Things to do:
- install Watchdog, go to preferences, set CPU threshhold to 20% (or even lower if it's not enough), check "Include phone processes", check "Monitor phone processes", check "Display all phone processes", set system CPU threshhold to 20%(or even lower if it's not enough) as well. Run it for a couple of days.
If you start getting frequent Watchdog notifications about a certain app breaching the threshold - uninstall it, find an alternative.
- install BetterBatteryStats from here -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809 run it for a couple of days and monitor apps / processes that are using up more wakelocks than they should.
Once you find the infringing app - uninstall it, if it's a process - find out if it's safe to stop / freeze before doing anything.
2. Freeze bloatware aka "stop the problem before it becomes a problem."
Unless you are running CM7, your rom is based on stock 2.3.4 and still has blur in it. Blur apps and processes might be running without you even using them and sucking out precious batter life while they are at it.
Things to do:
- Get TitaniumBackup, freeze all bloatware that is mentioned as "safe" in this thread -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1182663
Use your phone for a couple of days afterwards and watch for improvements.
If these software tweaks aren't enough, the problem might be with your system setup. Go through these steps which should hopefully fix your setup in favor of awesome battery life:
3. Flash a custom kernel, set up battery saving profiles.
Many people have reported success with this step. Custom kernels are not just for overclocking. A custom kernel with smart profiles will definitely give definitely extend your phones operating life during the day.
Things to do:
- Get a custom kernel., the popular choice on here seems to be faux'es kernel, so I recommend it -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1156040
Get one of the battery saving SetCpu profiles along with it. Basically, a good battery saving profile looks something like this:
- absolute minimum CPU clock with screen off (something like 275 Mhz)
- lowering CPU clock with temperature > 50C (something like ~800Mhz)
- lowering CPU clock when battery < 30% (something like ~800Mhz)
Many people reported success in using such profile for lowering "Phone Idle" drain.
4. Flash a different radio.
WARNING: Be extremely careful with this. Flashing a wrong radio is the right way to hard brick your phone.
Although some people are reporting to have fixed battery drainage by trying out a different radio, I seriously wouldn't recommend going on a flashing spree unless you know what you are doing.
My advice here: flash the latest 2.3.4 for your carrier if you haven't yet. From there on, experiment at your own risk.
5. Disable Data and Wifi when idle either manually or with an app."
I seriously get surprised every time someone says they have a horrible battery life, when they keep an internet connection on at all times. Constant data always = battery drain.
Things to do:
- use apps like Green Power to disable data / wifi for you when you are not using it
- learn to turn off your internet connection manually
6. If all else fails - start over from scratch (read: clean install a rom).
I've heard reports of people getting better life with Froyo than GB, or that a specific custom ROM solved their problem for them. A million dollar question: if it works for you, why not use it?
Things to do:
- try a ROM without blur, like CM7
- try Ninja Speed Freak (developer and many users reported great battery life)
- if battery life is your top concern - try Froyo
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FAQ
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... ask away!
Many thanks! Have pass about three days reading about the battery issues/solutions, and I was getting confused by so many info! Will try it tonight!
PS: Does the jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix works for the Orange 2.3.4 ?
eklam said:
Many thanks! Have pass about three days reading about the battery issues/solutions, and I was getting confused by so many info! Will try it tonight!
PS: Does the jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix works for the Orange 2.3.4 ?
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Are you using stock Orange 2.3.4 rom?
If yes, your Rom might not have the battery jumping problem. You can still use this guide without the battery fix to recalibrate.
Let's wait for someone with Orange 2.3.4 to confirm if jug6ernaut's CWM battery fix can be used or not.
Indeed, I have not the battery jump issue, but I'm exprimenting some weird behavior...
like when I restart the phone, it shows about 10% higher than before. I tried this multiples times yesterday. When it was about 40%, it starts to drop suddenly, 'till it got to 18% and get back to normal decrease to 4%, 2~3 hours later...
See the images attached, the red circles are the times I rebooted it and the blue arrow is when it drops suddenly...
Question on step 4. To confirm, we shouldn't click on anything in BatteryCalibration, all that needs to be done is take note on the MV number, correct?
eklam said:
Indeed, I have not the battery jump issue, but I'm exprimenting some weird behavior...
like when I restart the phone, it shows about 10% higher than before. I tried this multiples times yesterday. When it was about 40%, it starts to drop suddenly, 'till it got to 18% and get back to normal decrease to 4%, 2~3 hours later...
See the images attached, the red circles are the times I rebooted it and the blue arrow is when it drops suddenly...
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Did it only start doing this on 2.3.4 or you haven't checked before? Anyway, I would do the calibration to see if it changes anything.
coleburns said:
Question on step 4. To confirm, we shouldn't click on anything BatteryCalibration, all that needs to be done is take note on the MV number, correct?
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No clicking in step 4. Just write down or remember the MV number.
Yes it just starts when updating to 2.3.4... In the first days I got the impression of lower battery level, so reading the forums I saw the restart/level change problem, and tested it
eklam said:
Yes it just starts when updating to 2.3.4... In the first days I got the impression of lower battery level, so reading the forums I saw the restart/level change problem, and tested it
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You probably updated to 2.3.4 while not at 100% battery level, and it messed up your battery stat. So, yes, do all the steps in this guide except for jug6ernaut's battery fix part.
thanks, ill give this a shot....again.....tonight and hopefully it will fix my issue.
Screenshots of results added to post 1
Download link seems to be down...just errors out when trying to download.
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jarsh92 said:
Download link seems to be down...just errors out when trying to download.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
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Which download link? CMW_Jug6_FIXv2.zip?
I'm on a rooted stock GB and I'm having the problem where the battery usage stats are inaccurate and won't got below 90% after using it all day. This all started after I used Battery Calibration. Do you think that this would help correct the problem?
Edit: Also, would I need to complete all of the steps including the CWM part? I haven't flashed any roms yet, so I don't know if this would be necessary.
ThickG said:
I'm on a rooted stock GB and I'm having the problem where the battery usage stats are inaccurate and won't got below 90% after using it all day. This all started after I used Battery Calibration. Do you think that this would help correct the problem?
Edit: Also, would I need to complete all of the steps including the CWM part? I haven't flashed any roms yet, so I don't know if this would be necessary.
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Seems like you used Battery Calibration while not at 100% charge and your battery stats got messed up.
The reason I recommend using CWM is because the battery stats file is created on each boot. So, with my instructions you can charge the phone to 100% while it's off and wipe the messed up stats before it boots.
You can try using my instructions, without the CWM part, except you need to wipe your battery stats with Battery Calibration app after step 4.
lol i left pandora on since this morning and its only at 67%. ugh, when i wanna force drain the battery it goes slow as hell but when i wanna conserve battery live for usage it drains quick. hahaha.
I just flashed navalynt's πCrust rom fully charged, cleared stats through cwm, booted and now i'm close to 3days.
dictoresno said:
lol i left pandora on since this morning and its only at 67%. ugh, when i wanna force drain the battery it goes slow as hell but when i wanna conserve battery live for usage it drains quick. hahaha.
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lol yes. I used video playback to drain mine. But if it's really a PITA, you can always just leave it till tomorrow to discharge naturally.
Jonous said:
I just flashed navalynt's πCrust rom fully charged, cleared stats through cwm, booted and now i'm close to 3days.
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Yep, that's why flashing only when at 100% charge always pays off.
I get the same results by booting to CWM, wiping battery stats, rebooting, starting Battery Calibration, plugging phone into wall charger, charging to 100% (4197mv for me), and then calibrating with Battery Calibration. I start this process at any battery percentage, and have been doing this for a long time now. I have never had to deplete my battery until my phone shuts off, and get great battery life.
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CaelanT said:
I get the same results by booting to CWM, wiping battery stats, rebooting, starting Battery Calibration, plugging phone into wall charger, charging to 100% (4197mv for me), and then calibrating with Battery Calibration. I start this process at any battery percentage, and have been doing this for a long time now. I have never had to deplete my battery until my phone shuts off, and get great battery life.
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After the calibration I had 4200mv, so it seems like you are doing things right in regards to the battery.
"Taking the battery out and putting it back in" trick works wonders though in restoring battery life to maximum state (if you had it decrease for some reason). I've tested it multiple times even back when I had the Milestone.