Related
My Schools network uses clean access agent, which checks to make sure your windows device has the correct authentication. It will not let me go on ie, as it sees that I do not have the correct Virus protection etc. However it lets you use Opera, as it just lets it bypass the checks because none are in place for it.
I can use Opera or Skyfire, that isn't a prob. But when I try to use a program that connects to the Internet such AIM or QuickGPS, It won't work. Im assuming that the program is using IE to access the data. Although I have no idea how a program connects to the Internet (Does it use a browser?) Anyway, is there a way I can change the settings to get the program to use Opera?
Thanks,
I'm not sure that it will work, but you could try changing your default browser.
There are many threads in the forum with this information, Here's one, do a search for others.
hey, if you talk to your university's computer support team, they may tweak their internet settings so mobile browsing can work. i go to western connectisut state university, and i e-mailed the computer center with this problem (i dormed on campus and the ResiNET they used blocked me as well b/c i didnt install clean access agent. the university's network read my device as if it was a desktop since they blocked me saying i needed to install that ****ty software). once i did that, they e-mailed me back saying they updated their systems so i was able to use the web-based login, and then i began surfing the net. once u logged in, you should be able to update the GPS & use AIM with no real problems.
i hope this helps! there isn't a real way to bypass the system. believe me, i tried searching for ways to bypass the system. changing your default browser won't remedy it b/c the network only reads IP addresses and the fact information (doesn't matter what it is) is being pass through its network, it will block it without proper ID keys from the web-based log in. i even tried searching for a mobile version of cisco clean access agent but there isnt such software. like i said, talk to your university computing center and they can help you. it is really up to them to be able to change the settings around.
I've been using T-mobile touchscreen devices for 4 years, and I STILL have problems with basics of accessing wifi at cafes, hotspots, etc.
Connecting to these wifi networks is not a problem; there are multiple ways to do that with my T-Mobile Wing, for instance, but the problem is with accessing the wifi provider's login webpage where you are asked to agree to their terms and conditions.
OperaMini is my primary browser, but I have never been able to access a wifi "terms and conditions login page" via OperaMini, I am guessing due to it's a java app.
Yes, I can use I.E., but it is so damn slow and cumbersome, just to load and then try to hit your default homepage, then having to manually select "Homepage", then have it reload.
There must be better ways. For Starbucks usage, T-Mobile has its own "Hotspot Login Utility" which is supposed to handle all of that. I have never had it simply work... wherein i go to starbucks, launch Hotspot utility, and have it turn on wifi- then auto connect to the ATT network using my stored username & password in the HotSpot Utility.
So what are the best ways people have found to minimize this process and connect fast... I get a headache every time I want to ultilize one of my phone's best features.
For me the ideal app/utility would behave this way:
a) I am using my regular GPRS data connection, which is always on, and which I use for SMS or checking email with opera mini wherever I may be.
b) I enter a place that has free wifi, but requires you access their webpage to accept terms and conditions.
c) I want to click on one utility that loads quickly, turns on wifi, launches & opens that webpage (whether loading a fast non-java browser, or some direct internet connection), then upon logging into that establishment's wifi, I can close that util and have OperaMini launch and use wifi, not gprs data.
What is the app/apps I need? thank you.
I have no clue, but I'd love the same thing. PIE seems like it's the only browser that will re-direct to the login page automatically. Have you tried just saving the page as a favorite in opera mini? I know it's a pain in the butt, you'll have to cut-and-paste the address from PIE to mini, but that might work for a particular location.
After making a connection with PIE, I can usually switch browsers (I use mini most of the time, too), but the connection seems to drop frequently. Fortunately, my main coffee shop doesn't have one of those forced logins.
Yes, I have tried saving the "homepage" wifi login URL to OperaMini
It doesn't work. ... well at least I am glad I am not the only one with this problem.... I feel totally out of the loop on this, which seems like a Wifi-101 question ! thanks for replying. (I have also asked the great and powerful Menneisyys on this browser thread. Hopefully he will have the perfect answer!)
Farmer Ted said:
I have no clue, but I'd love the same thing. PIE seems like it's the only browser that will re-direct to the login page automatically. Have you tried just saving the page as a favorite in opera mini? I know it's a pain in the butt, you'll have to cut-and-paste the address from PIE to mini, but that might work for a particular location.
After making a connection with PIE, I can usually switch browsers (I use mini most of the time, too), but the connection seems to drop frequently. Fortunately, my main coffee shop doesn't have one of those forced logins.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
quicksite, I use the Iris Browser for logging into the free Mc Donalds Free WiFi (yes, most if not all Mc Donalds has free WiFi here in Australia!).
Though, I don't actually remember being able to access the net using Opera Mini. But that may be due to the hotspot restrictions more than anything else. So YMMV there.
Also, note that Opera Mini is just a thin client. It must have internet access to be able to access anything at all. Everything gets encoded server side before it reaches your device, hence why you can't use Opera Mini to login with.
And some hotspot providers require you to keep the browser with the login page open whilst you surf. The Iris browser allows for multitabs, so you can always just open another tab to surf.
I use this for logging in automatically on my campus network:
http://devicescape.com/
Devicescape : hey this looks pretty promising
but lots to first figure out re how everything gets routed, any hidden costs, etc. Thanks very much for posting!
tene20 said:
I use this for logging in automatically on my campus network:
http://devicescape.com/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can't wait to explore this. I figured there had to be some completely innovative ways of handling this very basic function. But just from a cursory reading, so far, it looks like there are many parts to this enterprise... i.e., registering your device with this service, installing EasyWiFi application, there's something about FON network which I don't yet understand... like maybe your device logs onto a cafe's wifi service, supplying that service with "devicescape's" agreement to Terms of Service. Then routing from the provider's wifi network to something called the FON network... But at this point I have to do a bunch more reading.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
For everyone else: Here's what I found in their Terms of Service, which describes a bit how they handle the agreement to wifi provider Terms of Service:
Account-Free Providers
Some providers offer access to their hotspot network without requiring you to create an account. The Service has the capability to automatically connect you to these types of networks without your submission of any provider information to Devicescape. If you wish to use these account-free providers, you may be unable to view their end user license agreements and/or terms of service. You acknowledge and agree that Devicescape may automatically log you in to such providers and may accept end user license agreements and/or terms of service from such providers on your behalf.
Due to wireless device limitations, the Service may or may not allow you to select whether you wish to use these account-free providers. If you do not agree with Devicescape's process of accepting such end user license agreement and/or terms of service from such providers, then you must disable this capability, provided that the Service allows this capability to be disabled. If the Service does not allow for disabling use of these account-free networks, your sole recourse is to cease your use of the Service.
Certain account-free providers request your email address in order to provide access. The Service will allow you to opt-in to supplying your email address whenever requested by such providers, and will not submit your email address without your agreement. In the circumstance where you opt-in to this arrangement, Devicescape is not responsible in any way for the use of your email address by such providers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Then there's this, re adding your provider to Devicescape's network. They say this is free.
Submit A New Wi-Fi Hotspot
Devicescape supports many hotspots and wireless networks, but if your favorites aren't yet supported, you can help us add them. Start by collecting some info and use this web form to submit it us. We will process submissions on a time-available basis.
Personal Network?
We can only list hotspots in our directory that are operated by organizations and intended for general access by the public, subscribers, students, etc. If this is a personal (e.g., individual or private) network, you can add it your own Devicescape account by using the "Add a Personal Network" button on the "My Wi-Fi" page or clicking here.
Open network?
We are currently only adding hotspots that have a welcome or login page to our directory. If this hotspot does not have a welcome or login page, you can add it your own Devicescape account by using the "Add a Personal Network" button on the "My Wi-Fi" page or clicking here.
Network requires 802.1x or WPA Enterprise?
Unfortunately we cannot support 802.1x or WPA Enterprise networks at this time. The form below can be used to submit networks that use web-based captive portal authentication only. If you have a network that only uses WEP or WPA Personal authentication, you can add it your own Devicescape account by using the "Add a Personal Network" button on the "My Wi-Fi" page or clicking here.
To submit a new hotspot, follow the basic instructions below, or view more detailed instructions.
Record the provider's Network Name or SSID.
Save all welcome and login pages.
Be sure to capture every page required to get you to online access.
Submit the info to us via the form below.
We will notify you when the new hotspot network is available. Thanks for contributing to building out the Devicescape!
Basic Information: (required) SSID: Name of the hotspot provider:
(e.g., "Wi-Fi Everywhere" or "Hotspots “R”Us") Name of the location:
(e.g., "Joe's Tea Shop") Address:
(Street, City, Region, Country, e.g., "1 Bay St, Toronto, ON, CA") Home page URL for location or provider: Does this Hotspot have a welcome page? no yes Welcome page: Does this Hotspot have a login page? no yes Login Page: Is 802.1X or WPA Enterprise required? no yes In order to add an 802.1X or WPA Enterprise network, we need to have the following information: EAP type (TTLS, PEAP), tunneled EAP type (EAP MS-CHAPv2, PAP, etc.), WPA Version, Certificate Domain, Key Mgmt (Dynamic WEP, WPA Enterprise), Cipher (TKIP, CCMP). If possible, please supply a URL for a web page that describes this information. If not, include the information below. 802.1X information URL (or details):
Additional Information: Provider support page URL: Comments:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm just starting to investigate this whole offering... so I'd appreciate it if anyone sees anything just within these quoted sections that sounds ill-advisable?
Finally, for now, here's a video that describes how iphone's use their service, as indicator of how it works:
Here's something I found in Dev/Hacking forum - WiFi Monster
[Jul 23][WiFi Monster v1.0.52.149] The best WiFi software ever
Download:
http://www.wifimonster.net/downloads.php
Stuff like this that shows why iphone is winning the war. It's 2009 and still a hassle to get on to a captive portal !!!
firefly123 said:
Stuff like this that shows why iphone is winning the war. It's 2009 and still a hassle to get on to a captive portal !!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In my opinion, Apple makes it easier to find apps in ONE place...but that doesn't mean there isn't a solution for WM. And definitely don't want to get into the Apple vs WM crap. Windows mobile has many versions of different apps and are scattered everywhere. Looking for them is the challenging part. So far, I have accumulated over 12gb worth of apps for windows mobile-this includes some upgrades, mods. Probably would have had more if I was into cooked Roms.
With my HTC Touch Pro, I am using Opera Mobile v9.5 v2808- a modified version with some Flash support (found it here). Before I screwed up my wifi- i was able to get online at Barnes & Nobles, McDonald's, Borders, home network and many mom and pops coffee shops with NO issues.
I used this OLD app, Hitchiker, that worked on my Touch Pro.
montecristo1 said:
With my HTC Touch Pro, I am using Opera Mobile v9.5 v2808- a modified version with some Flash support (found it here). ...i was able to get online ...with NO issues... used this OLD app, Hitchiker, that worked on my Touch Pro.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I hope this works for me, thanks for posting. (I've also been meaning to download the modified Opera Mobile browser). Let me ask you, though: It's the security settings and acceptance that make it so cumbersome.
Actually I am thankful that there ARE such security warnings when trying to log onto a non-secure public access point. But .... I should really only have to say "OKAY" once. With Internet Explorer, and with the browser I started using most, Netfront, it took at least 4 if not 6 "OKAY" responses to switching to/from secure page etc. My original post was longer. But the issue for me is: *Sometimes* when I go to a coffee house it's to grab a coffee, check email, send a movie file or picture file, and then go, sometimes to catch bus or train. So I don't have all day. And I have found over and over again that by the time it takes me to accomplish those approximately 15 clicks to activate wifi and launch a new browser and accept login agreement including all the security acceptance, I would have more quickly gotten my email and even uploaded a large set of photo files by just staying connected to Edge and forgetting the whole damn wifi attempt... I've missed trains in San Francisco many a time, seriously, just from trying to take advantage of wifi speed at a cafe and going through so many ridiculous steps. Many a time by the time I had all the clicks accepted and I was able to browse freely, my train was there and I had to run -- completely defeating the whole experience.
Two other comments:
(1) I finally found a utility that was promising: Peek .... but it would be "sabotaged" by the inconsistent behavior of AKtoggle and other wifi on/wifi off utilities avail, vs having to click Settings > Connections > Communication Manager > wifi on > then wifi settings just to select the access point. I have never ever had anyone's version of a wifi on/ wifi off toggle button work consistently and normally. Every other time you try turning wifi on, and no, it doesn;t work. I've come to find out that if your regular edge data connection is either on or off, then the toggle doesn't work, which means once again going to Communicaton Manager and tapping through to the primary command, then once your device sees wifi access points, you still then have to use the other tool (like "Peek") to select the access point... or follow the etxra 4 clicks to do it within the Communication Manager.
(2) I'm completely platform agnostic as I use macs, PCs, WM and now android devices, and if the functions work and I can get the task done, i really don't care whose name is on the object or software... But I have to agree with firefly123, it's stuff like this that Apple knows how to solve with smooth simplicity... But it goes further than that. Apple/iPhone users have a conditioning that automatically expects stuff like this to be simple, whereas I was astounded by, on the other thread I posted about this same login issue, WM users were just fine with the multiple steps, and quite surprised I was even asking/complaining...in other words, a conditioning that says "what's another 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 clicks, as long as you can get the whole process done in a reasonable amount of time?".
That's what baffled me most. I love XDA... yet I was very surprised by the huge yaaaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn I got on this issue: cumbersome and multi-stepped is just fine with hundreds of thousands of Windows Mobile users. Meanwhile I miss my bus or train from staying to finish that last step and finally access wifi to upload my pics... when using Edge would have ultimately been faster. Bizarre.
quicksite said:
I hope this works for me, thanks for posting. (I've also been meaning to download the modified Opera Mobile browser). Let me ask you, though: It's the security settings and acceptance that make it so cumbersome.
Actually I am thankful that there ARE such security warnings when trying to log onto a non-secure public access point. But .... I should really only have to say "OKAY" once. With Internet Explorer, and with the browser I started using most, Netfront, it took at least 4 if not 6 "OKAY" responses to switching to/from secure page etc. My original post was longer. But the issue for me is: *Sometimes* when I go to a coffee house it's to grab a coffee, check email, send a movie file or picture file, and then go, sometimes to catch bus or train. So I don't have all day. And I have found over and over again that by the time it takes me to accomplish those approximately 15 clicks to activate wifi and launch a new browser and accept login agreement including all the security acceptance, I would have more quickly gotten my email and even uploaded a large set of photo files by just staying connected to Edge and forgetting the whole damn wifi attempt... I've missed trains in San Francisco many a time, seriously, just from trying to take advantage of wifi speed at a cafe and going through so many ridiculous steps. Many a time by the time I had all the clicks accepted and I was able to browse freely, my train was there and I had to run -- completely defeating the whole experience.
Two other comments:
(1) I finally found a utility that was promising: Peek .... but it would be "sabotaged" by the inconsistent behavior of AKtoggle and other wifi on/wifi off utilities avail, vs having to click Settings > Connections > Communication Manager > wifi on > then wifi settings just to select the access point. I have never ever had anyone's version of a wifi on/ wifi off toggle button work consistently and normally. Every other time you try turning wifi on, and no, it doesn;t work. I've come to find out that if your regular edge data connection is either on or off, then the toggle doesn't work, which means once again going to Communicaton Manager and tapping through to the primary command, then once your device sees wifi access points, you still then have to use the other tool (like "Peek") to select the access point... or follow the etxra 4 clicks to do it within the Communication Manager.
(2) I'm completely platform agnostic as I use macs, PCs, WM and now android devices, and if the functions work and I can get the task done, i really don't care whose name is on the object or software... But I have to agree with firefly123, it's stuff like this that Apple knows how to solve with smooth simplicity... But it goes further than that. Apple/iPhone users have a conditioning that automatically expects stuff like this to be simple, whereas I was astounded by, on the other thread I posted about this same login issue, WM users were just fine with the multiple steps, and quite surprised I was even asking/complaining...in other words, a conditioning that says "what's another 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 clicks, as long as you can get the whole process done in a reasonable amount of time?".
That's what baffled me most. I love XDA... yet I was very surprised by the huge yaaaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn I got on this issue: cumbersome and multi-stepped is just fine with hundreds of thousands of Windows Mobile users. Meanwhile I miss my bus or train from staying to finish that last step and finally access wifi to upload my pics... when using Edge would have ultimately been faster. Bizarre.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So iphones NEVER take you to the WIFI providers conditions acceptance screen? can some one verify this? cause if so thats good, but truthfully I dont have as much problem as you are talking about on my WM xperia. I use wifi monster or the comm manager that comes with SPB mobile shell and then access opera mobile (9.5), the terms and conditions screen loads up I accept it and thats pretty much it. No real hastle and its easy and quick. I dont know why you are having so much problem. just for comparasin can you outline the steps it takes to connect an iphone?
But at any rate for the developers out there its somthing to consider, a browser with access to a comm manager in it.
regards
Chris
Chris, thanks... Sorry I was pontificating there. Let me clear up a few things. (1) I don't have an iphone; I've never had one in my hand for more than a half hour exploring, so have never used it in "real life" scenarios. (2) I wasn't suggesting Apple could magically make all the login and acceptance requirements go away! I just meant that they do focus on exactly these kinds of common bottlenecks, to try to reduce the clutter of steps, and get the goal accomplished. (3) #2 above is not based on my having used an iphone at a coffeehouse, nor watching someone with an iphone login at a coffee house. I was commenting because this thread had been dormant for a good while, then suddenly yesterday someone commented about frustration he was having with this very issue -- and HE concluded something like "this is why Apple is winning the war".
I never took that as any kind of fanboy comment, or instigating remark. I am just imagining this person had some similar problems that I have had, and searched XDA, and came upon this thread -- because there are no other threads that I know of on this site on this subject matter of wifi utility to help smooth out the coffee house login process. And he probably read thru it thinking at the end was a solution... only to find the thread dropped off because nobody presented a solution... I merely did my best to comb the web and XDA to find potential solutions, but it stopped there because most of the utilities were about turning your device's wifi on or off, then selecting an access point. But that's not the problem that needs solving.
What I was suggesting is that just like a Google mail app connects to the web within its own UI, and NOT opening up a browser, which on some older devices like mine does take a while just to get the browser open and loaded to its home page... And it queries for username and password then pulls in your mail. And just like T-mobile has a Hotspot Utility that is a very niche specialized version of such a wifi utility limited to its access point locations like starbucks and airports and fed ex kinkos offcies, it similarly establishes a web connection without opening a browser. But it's purpose is exactly what I am talking about: to make that stuff happen as much as possible in the background so that you then get confirmation of being logged in and connected,and you can then use whatever browser you like, including opera mini.
So, though I am not a programmer, it seems to me this would not be so hard to master if someone who IS a developer applied some resource time to the problem (but that's just it, it doesn't seem to be a problem that most feel warrants any resource time applied to it). To me it would be very simple.
(1) Click a button and it queries the state of all data connections on your phone noting if wifi is on or off, and makes sure to turn wifi on if needed. (2) Like most wifi utilities, it then seeks the strongest connection and tries to login to any unsecured access point, or, if it recognizes even a secured access point, follows a login proceedure. (3) I am not sure how best to explain step 3 but to me it happens in the background: A dedicated web client/ thin-browser (something to build) opens and issues the normal commands that = "open my browser and after it loads, hit the home button to then have the browser connect to the coffee house's login page. (4) My hope would be that at this point the thin browser client can present the login page, user clicks "i agree" as normal, then (5) the connection to the wifi access point in made, and (6) the utility puts itself away, opening my preferred or default browser... and (7) I just start using my browser which is now connected via wifi.
As a user experience designer I can envision this thin client speeding up this process because it doesn't have to load a full featured browser, and it includes the wifi on/off function, essentially resulting in this, as far as user is concerned:
(1) arrive at a wifi spot that requires accepting TOS, click "SuperWifiLogonUtility" and all the wifi on/wifi off stuff happens in background.
(2) I select the access point i am trying to connect to, done.
(3) Background processes occur, and the next thing I see is the wifi provider's login page and I check "yes, i agree"
(4) That goes away, my preferred browser opens and I begin using browser connected to wifi.
Of course, I could be wrong, and perhaps this is complicated. It doesn't seem so to me
hungry81 said:
So iphones NEVER take you to the WIFI providers conditions acceptance screen? can some one verify this? cause if so thats good, but truthfully I dont have as much problem as you are talking about on my WM xperia. I use wifi monster or the comm manager that comes with SPB mobile shell and then access opera mobile (9.5), the terms and conditions screen loads up I accept it and thats pretty much it. No real hastle and its easy and quick. I dont know why you are having so much problem. just for comparasin can you outline the steps it takes to connect an iphone?
But at any rate for the developers out there its somthing to consider, a browser with access to a comm manager in it.
regards
Chris
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
OperaMini uses a built-in proxy server called Opera Turbo that loads the page from Opera's server, compresses it that send the page to your device in order to reduce bandwidth and increase speeds over mobile networks. My best guess is the the hotspot login page you are trying to access can only be reached locally and is therefor not accessible using Opera Turbo. If you turn off Opera Turbo from the setting page you should be able to use it as any other browser.
a lot has changed in two years!
kellywt said:
OperaMini uses a built-in proxy server called Opera Turbo that loads the page from Opera's server, compresses it that send the page to your device in order to reduce bandwidth and increase speeds over mobile networks. My best guess is the the hotspot login page you are trying to access can only be reached locally and is therefor not accessible using Opera Turbo. If you turn off Opera Turbo from the setting page you should be able to use it as any other browser.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
a lot has changed in two years!
I have a stock Samsung Vibrant. It connects to my home wifi network just fine and is very fast.
At my school we have to register the mac address' of devices we have on their Clean Access servers. I have registered many devices that work fine.
I registered the mac address of my Vibrant, and it can connect to the wifi, but it will not load a web page. Does anyone have any idea of what is wrong.
I also registered my roommates Vibrant. His does not work either.
I work at the Schools Tech Support so I have access to register and edit my phone on their Clean Access servers.
Does anyone have any solutions?
are you using WPA/WPAv2 or WEP + RADIUS authentication? Does your vibrant obtain an IP address successfully? Can you ping the default router?
The wifi that works at my apartment is WPA2.
The wifi at school is an open network. I can fully connect to their wifi.
Status Connected
Speed 48Mbps
Signal Strength Good
Security Open
IP address (a real IP address)
Im going out on a limb here. I am going to say its the Clean access and your "open network". I assume on your schools computer you use your student ID and some password. Your phone would need the same thing if that is the case. I know at my school, iphones are the only phones that can access our clean access. If its not the case then i am sorry.
my school runs clean access and it works fine. but they have two networks a guest and a login. i use the guest cause i don't want to waste the time to login. but i can try it on monday. typically with linux (i.e. android) you have a web portal and have to agree to some antivirus bs by clicking a button and that's it (and login for the non guest network). one thing i have noticed, though, is that typically i have to turn wifi on, connect to the network, try to load a page, it doesn't work, then i turn wifi off then immediately back on and try to load a page and it takes me to the login/terms portal page.
GTASouthPark said:
The wifi that works at my apartment is WPA2.
The wifi at school is an open network. I can fully connect to their wifi.
Status Connected
Speed 48Mbps
Signal Strength Good
Security Open
IP address 140.209.21.68
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You should remove the IP from post. Anyways, it seems like the handshake is good. Note down the address of redirected terms and conditions page you get when trying to go online from a laptop. Then enter the same address in vibrant's browser once you are connected through Wifi ( or set it as homepage) and see if that lets it through.
Probably an issue with Android's lack of native NTLM support. AFAIK this is still unresolved. Have you tried using Fennec rather than the stock browser? I've heard you can authenticate properly using it.
Siks said:
Probably an issue with Android's lack of native NTLM support. AFAIK this is still unresolved. Have you tried using Fennec rather than the stock browser? I've heard you can authenticate properly using it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
interesting. i use dolphin hd and it works for the clean access web authentication page.
Could be, if your school does not have a guest account login for devices, that you are getting on the segregated network because CA cannot verify the "cleanliness" of your device. When I setup CA it verified patch levels and such on the non-guest network, so unless CA comes out with a Android client/access list, it may not work.
watcher64 said:
Could be, if your school does not have a guest account login for devices, that you are getting on the segregated network because CA cannot verify the "cleanliness" of your device. When I setup CA it verified patch levels and such on the non-guest network, so unless CA comes out with a Android client/access list, it may not work.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
except then it wouldn't allow osx or linux. clean access requires an app for windows to verify service pack and av and whatever, but for linux and osx it doesn't. it wouldn't be able to (at least for linux).
funeralthirst said:
except then it wouldn't allow osx or linux. clean access requires an app for windows to verify service pack and av and whatever, but for linux and osx it doesn't. it wouldn't be able to (at least for linux).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That is correct but it can ID the operating system and has exceptions for those flavors ...
Hey it's me again.
I don't think it's an android thing because I had my G1 on the servers.
Normally what happens if you aren't registered on Clean Access is, if you open a web browser, you will be automatically redirected to an authentication page where you put in your school ID and password. This would work fine and allow me to get on the wifi, but it never came up on the web browser, it just tries to load the page for awhile and goes to a 'Page cannot be displayed' page.
Also I have tried using different browsers, including Dolphin HD.
If I can just get to the authentication page even it will be fine, I could work with that.
Also the school does have a guest login, but you have to get to the authentication page, and I wouldnt want guest access since it limits time, bandwidth, and features.
That is exactly what I said my last reply...Try putting https infront of your authentication URL, and make sure the java-script etc. is on in your browser...Try clearing cache and hit refresh as well. Also, see what happens if you set that URL as homepage...
GTASouthPark said:
Hey it's me again.
I don't think it's an android thing because I had my G1 on the servers.
Normally what happens if you aren't registered on Clean Access is, if you open a web browser, you will be automatically redirected to an authentication page where you put in your school ID and password. This would work fine and allow me to get on the wifi, but it never came up on the web browser, it just tries to load the page for awhile and goes to a 'Page cannot be displayed' page.
Also I have tried using different browsers, including Dolphin HD.
If I can just get to the authentication page even it will be fine, I could work with that.
Also the school does have a guest login, but you have to get to the authentication page, and I wouldnt want guest access since it limits time, bandwidth, and features.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
did you try turning on wifi, wait for it to connect, try to load a page (any page because it will redirect you), wait for it to time out, pull down the notification bar, turn wifi off, turn it back on and then reload the page? i know it sounds dumb, but this is the only way i've got it to work at my school and it works every time...
watcher64 said:
That is correct but it can ID the operating system and has exceptions for those flavors ...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
to what flavors? i'm guessing android will show as linux since it's based off a linux kernel. more than likely it checks for windows, and if false goes to the default linux/osx page because to clean access those aren't threat os's.
VICosPhi said:
That is exactly what I said my last reply...Try putting https infront of your authentication URL, and make sure the java-script etc. is on in your browser...Try clearing cache and hit refresh as well. Also, see what happens if you set that URL as homepage...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
they don't have the authentication URL on their homepage so I don't know what it is, it should automatically redirect me to it.
Also when I connect to wifi, try to load a page, let it time out, turn off wifi, turn it back on and connect again, and then refresh the page.. nothing happens it times out again.
Ok so I did find out the authentication page URL. Typed it into my phone. I had high hopes when a page saying "You are being redirected to the network authentication page. If you are not redirected automatically, then please click HERE".
Anyway it did redirect me, to a "Web page not available"... etc.
In the default browser it gave me the error... "Data connectivity problem. A secure connection could not be established". umm wtf?
Can you communicate with other protocols/ports? I used to be able to exploit a bug with our school's CCA servers where I could just connect unauthenticated and use SSH. (Maybe it was a feature?)
I can't use any other web protocols.
Bump. Okay. I've figured out how to do this . '
it's a t mobile vibrant either kernel or rom problem. My phone connected the very first time I tried to use it at an argosy site, then never ever ever again.
so. I used wifi manager to find out what the ip, gateway, subnet mask, and dns 1 and 2 were. I went to settings, wifi, options key to go to advanced options, from there selected static ip and entered all the info I gathered
bam! ! Connected every time.
Oh and btw, the reason I say its a tmobile vibrant rom or kernel problem is that on fusion, Eugene's and bionix final, I was able to connect right away, every time . And on my f friends att fascinate and verizon captivate, they never had to enter the static ip like I did. They connected right away every time . Yet everyone I know that had s vibrant kept having the same proble. m i did .
Tmobile. What a piece of ****. Anyway I figured nobody had this figured out so I'd jump in.
Hope this helps out some people. GL
Just thought of a new question. I use excel a ton and frequently need to go to my bosses office to ask questions about certain things. If I were logged onto the companies wifi, would I be able to optain access to the shared drives my NT account (assuming somehow I login from my Xoom) to manually bring the document to my boss, and have the work be easily done in one place???
The quickest way might be to install one of the remote desktop clients out there. Even on the 4.3’’ screen of the Evo, it can be a real pain to use, but I suspect a MUCH more pleasant experience on this.
By tomorrow afternoon, it is my intent to have my xoom talking to a dedicated Win7 vm that lives on one of my servers. Hopefully, I’ll be able to get to a point where creds are saved and I end up with a 1-click process to access the enterprise. Im REALLY banking on the idea that rdp will be usable on this larger screen.
I know that’s not exactly what you were looking for, but I’d be willing to bet that somebody is / has worked on a file browser that will see network shares and store credentials. I will certainly look around.
AndyMan386 said:
Just thought of a new question. I use excel a ton and frequently need to go to my bosses office to ask questions about certain things. If I were logged onto the companies wifi, would I be able to optain access to the shared drives my NT account (assuming somehow I login from my Xoom) to manually bring the document to my boss, and have the work be easily done in one place???
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can do this at home now with my Android phone using AndroXplorer on wifi. Just need to create a shortcut to a share on my PC using UNC path. Not sure if your company will have any restrictions on WiFi or not and also not sure if that app will work on Honeycomb. But it is definitely possible.
These apps allow you to remotely access your phone from a web browser. However, they all run a web server on the phone, and I cannot connect to any of the over 3g (Verizon).
LazyDroid Web Desktop
Remote Desktop
Remote Web Desktop
I want to move the web server off phone, and (hopefully) onto private sites.google.com site. App Engine might be necessary, but I'm hoping this could be done solely in JS.
The hosting site would provide the UI, and interact with the phone using C2DM (the magic that powers Chrome2Phone, GMail, and installing apps from the web Market).
The UI is pretty obvious. It just needs a whiz to create HTML, Javascript, etc.
The C2DM backend is a still a bit mystifying to me... and searching for c2dm and javascript does not yield any obvious working implementations. But it seems plausible. Push a command to the phone, phone returns/uploads data to website, and UI updates.
Then there is the Android end. Well, there are the 3 projects above, Tasker for a quasi-hackish approach, and RPC (promising, but it seems like a WIP).
Thoughts? Volunteers? Geniuses?
Ooo... 2 birds with one stone!
This would also kill 2 birds with one stone.
No more typing in dynamic IP addresses! You get to use DNS to handle the connections. Bookmark your site in your desktop browser (it is always the same!). And set a preference in the Android app.
On lazydroid i've in planning some kind of trick that will let you connect behind firewall ... similar to a vpn...
CloudsITA said:
On lazydroid i've in planning some kind of trick that will let you connect behind firewall ... similar to a vpn...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I tried it again last week, and it is still unsuccessful. Webkey is currently the only application that I can successfully use to reach my phone.
Now, I could be wrong, but I believe all of these apps run a web server on the phone. I get a lovely, private 10.x.x.x IP address, which I can't reverse the route to. I have tried and failed to get DynDNS to work.
I have been looking into a solution since my original post. I have not had any time to do code squat, but I have loosely figured out all of the parts.
The big architectural difference I have been seeking is removing the server from the phone. I am not an Android expert, but I don't believe it even requires a running service. (Thank you, C2DM.)
With the app-webservice separation, you can work a "protocol" that reduces the overall bandwidth used... and thus improve battery life. Put all the "hard work" on a webserver, and (things get fuzzy here) possibly push it off onto the client browser (JS).
C2DM Browser Links
I could probably make something like WebKey but with C2DM and some more features. If you want you can give suggestions and I'll start making on saturday (after my exams). It would probably be possible in javascript for the actual sending from server and php just for logging in to your google account. The phone would just be registered on the server and no services (just as you wanted )
nebkat said:
I could probably make something like WebKey but with C2DM and some more features. If you want you can give suggestions and I'll start making on saturday (after my exams). It would probably be possible in javascript for the actual sending from server and php just for logging in to your google account. The phone would just be registered on the server and no services (just as you wanted )
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am not sure "more features" is necessarily the direction I'm headed. I am focused on making a "seamless" experience (i.e. less separation of phone and computer).
I was headed to App Engine (Python bias + easy Google integration). I have a project created. I haven't pulled together the various examples to make the core, but it seems <naive>simple</naive>. Stir in some templates, CSS, a sprinkling of JS, and voila!
The big "tricky" part that I can't convert from f***ing magic to a clear approach is the data link in the server. I want to avoid any storage to a Google disk, or otherwise, even temporarily. No stored data = easy privacy policy.
nebkat, if you're really chomping at the bit to code, here's my Android client concept.
- C2DM is a wake-up call. (cheat an borrow ChromeToPhone's ID to begin with)
- Connect to web server, send "I'm here," and wait for further instructions (Channels API/Comet/AJAX/.........)
- make the command set extensible
- each command is blockable in the client. (Permission control is set on the phone, not remotely.)
- After N minutes of no activity, send a "good bye," disconnect from the server, and fade into the background.
Don't worry, I'm very experienced with the server side stuff and I know exactly what you want. The only information stored on the sever side would be google account, the device c2dm registration id and some logging features just for statistics. A password could be set on the phone that would be sha512 hashed on the ajax request and would be sent to the phone. Even if a hacker found the hash, it would be useless without being logged in to the persons google account or knowing the server side auth token.
For now i'll just make the reciever, processor and command output and later on the extra security and ui stuff. It will work exactly the same way as Chrome2Phone except it will have server side php and the different commands. The connection from pc to phone will be something like this.
user command -> ajax request -> php c2dm request -> phone
phone -> php server http request -> controller page status
BTW I'm saving up for a Nexus S, how much would people pay for this type of app? There would definitely be a free version, but I just need to get the Nexus S because I have a Galaxy Spica now and it isn't the best for app development. I'm new to how stuff at xda works, would a donate version get me enoguh for the Nexus?
nebkat said:
Don't worry, ... <snip> ... auth token.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Alrighty then. I'm feeling like I can stop contemplating implementing this.
BTW I'm saving up for a Nexus S, how much would people pay for this type of app? There would definitely be a free version, but I just need to get the Nexus S because I have a Galaxy Spica now and it isn't the best for app development. I'm new to how stuff at xda works, would a donate version get me enoguh for the Nexus?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Since I was learning the ins and outs of App Engine, I read their quota rules and realized if this were popular it would require funding. I don't know where you are going to your web server, but I assume you'll have to pay someone to keep it running. But I had thought about $$$ already.
"Give away the razor, and sell them the blades."
Make the app free, no feature restrictions.
You get your money through various "membership" levels on the server. (See the account levels at fastmail.fm for an example.) So, you can use the app for free, but you only get, say, 2-3 MB of traffic per day, and only X sessions per day. Need more? See the pricing chart.
user command -> ajax request -> php c2dm request -> phone
phone -> php server http request -> controller page status
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
user command -> php server http request -> phone
phone -> php server http request -> controller page status
user command -> php server http request -> phone
lather, rinse, repeat.
C2DM is not deterministic, and acts up in low signal conditions. So, I made a decision to only use C2DM to initiate a session. Once both ends are connected to the server, everything goes over HTTP.
Oh.... and not that we need another Lookout/Phone Finder, but a shared-secret SMS code for the case where "they" have shut down the data connection.
I have my own server nebkat.com and there is nothing on it anyway.
The only other way to make "push" requests to the phone is with WebSockets. It would probably be better than c2dm because we have full control over what gets sent (google limits some requests). The advantage of WebSockets is that they send no header information which means that we could send our messages in 20 to 30 bytes.
I'll look into more detail on friday.
With web sockets won't you need to ensure the phone has a routable, external IP address? I know, for one, t-mobile does not expose an external IP address for their phones. Unless, of course, if the phone is connected over WiFi. C2DM works great for me (I have used a couple of apps with it and it is really useful).
MrGibbage said:
With web sockets won't you need to ensure the phone has a routable, external IP address? I know, for one, t-mobile does not expose an external IP address for their phones. Unless, of course, if the phone is connected over WiFi. C2DM works great for me (I have used a couple of apps with it and it is really useful).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No, WS is server initiated and the ip address' shouldn't make a difference.
MrGibbage said:
With web sockets won't you need to ensure the phone has a routable, external IP address? I know, for one, t-mobile does not expose an external IP address for their phones. Unless, of course, if the phone is connected over WiFi. C2DM works great for me (I have used a couple of apps with it and it is really useful).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You need an valid external IP address if you are attempting to initiate contact with your phone, which is why the 4-5 apps I've mentioned do not work on carriers like t-mo and verizon.
But the phone can establish a connection, and the carrier NATs (or whatever) will handle the routing for outgoing and incoming data.
I think the right questions are: Will Verizon/T-Mo allow the ports and protocol for WebSockets? Do Android and desktop browsers implement the draft API correctly and consistently?
I like C2DM. I works well when you have a good connection. But there are 3 issues with it.
1) The message size limit is 1024 bytes. Not ideal for file transfers.
2) In a poor signal areas, since the service retries sending messages, you will get delayed and/or duplicate messages. I work in a large "concrete" building, so I get this behavior often enough that I don't want to rely on it.
3) I believe there is a limit on the number of messages you can send. So, hunting around the filesystem could hit this limit (but unlikely in reality... I hope.)
It would be interesting to see exactly how those apps handle all of the data. Do they only use C2DM, or do they hand over to another protocol?
Ok my exams are over and I am starting with it. I'll give updates on this thread