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XDA2i Camera worse than XDAII?

Even though the XDAIIi cam is 1.3mp the images it produces are awfull!
The upgrade from 0.3mp to 1.3mp is a big selling point for this device, and some people are making the upgrade based on this alone!
Ive taken a couple of pics for you guys to compare.
Any confirmations or comments are welcome!

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OK bro!
From the 3 photos posted the one by XDA II is definitely the best.
Have you make sure the XDA IIi got its best setting for the resolution concerned like its ambience, contrast, saturation, gamma and sharpness?
I would like to upgarde to IIi if its available in my country but now I have second thought after seeing its camera capability. I hope when it's release it would have the camera issue resolved.

Well, it looks worse but it may just be your brightness, contrast, etc..
Hey, BTW, when did XDAII start taking photos at 480x960? Mine can only do 480X640 no matter how I tweak the settings... Did I miss something?

dewild1 said:
Well, it looks worse but it may just be your brightness, contrast, etc..
Hey, BTW, when did XDAII start taking photos at 480x960? Mine can only do 480X640 no matter how I tweak the settings... Did I miss something?
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Well spotted!
No, that was my mistake it was only 480x640.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I have tinkered with the settings somewhat, I tried to match them before taking the shots and have tinkered with the XDAIIi settings alone to try and improve it aswell, however no luck.
There is a 'night' settings on the IIi although it makes the pics even worse, and has white flecks all over the image!
It's such a shame, WM2003 SE is great! Integrated WiFi is awesome!
This cam really lets it down though.

I've finally made my decision:
Mines going back. It just doesn't cut it.
So then, how long before the next WM device from O2?
And what can we expect?

upgrade the ROM and see~
Have U ungrade ur ROm to i-mate's latest ROm? I realize that the camera's "nightmode" indeed remove those white flecks. But I admit my xdaII's camera (WM2003SE download from xda-developer) is nicer than the original PDA2's camera
On my PDA2,I reckon the resolution is much higher; it's hard to tell on computer screen but once U magifiy it (ZOOM in) then U will find L is L (640x480) and why we need XL 1024x640
The next concern: anyone know any patch or .cab to improve the camera spec in order to get better quality of pic? cheers~

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The quality very depends on the settings and adjustments. I took 5 pics(3 indoor,2 outdoor)with my Himalaya(VGA Cam). There are too many differences which causes the adjustments. Take a look...

About the camera...

Is it not that good, or is it just me?
Everytime I take a picture, the camera freezes when saving the picture,
Problem is.. the "frozen" image, is slighly before the actual image which is saved..
Most of my picture so far, are blurred...
Id sort of expected that this camera was lighting fast, but so far it dosent seem so....
On the other hand.. My hands are constantly shaking, and that dosent help much.
So anyone here with steady hands, who takes great pictures, and its just me whos a bad photographer?

I could post on saturday. since the stores are closed aswell as the postal office now in the easter. and I won't be home again untill friday.
But I could post some so that we could compare when I got the phone in my hands.

ukon said:
I could post on saturday. since the stores are closed aswell as the postal office now in the easter. and I won't be home again untill friday.
But I could post some so that we could compare when I got the phone in my hands.
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Lets do, Ill be here all week

TakenName said:
Lets do, Ill be here all week
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I am really interested in how the picture quality will be compared to the X1 and the Magic. If it is anything like either of them, then I hope the Magic.
It is such a shame that I can't get it now, when it is in the mail. but I am just to far away from home at the moment :/
it really sucks tho

Tip for non blurry pictures, use touch focus mode - works very good here.
Seems to focus better and you don't risk rocking the phone because you press the camera key.
Otherwise it's as with all mobile phone cams, the sensors and optics are limited by size, so of course you get better pictures the more light you have.
I find the camera very nice in comparison to my N1.

My pictures turn out just fine. maybe a blurry one once in a while but nothing to complain about. Try turning on the image stabilizer

waleed786 said:
My pictures turn out just fine. maybe a blurry one once in a while but nothing to complain about. Try turning on the image stabilizer
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Image stabilizer!!!! Why didnt I think of that while checking in the settings....
Not the pictures are actually good... Strange thing now, when I click to take the picture, it freezes with a blurry image, but the actual picture is great!

here is some pictures that I've taken today can be found here.
I might upload some other pictures later. but we will see.
I do not think that it is that bad, it is better than the X1 camera, and I do think that the picture quality was slightly better than the Magic camera aswell.
The only thing that I can complain about with this phone would be the battery I guess.. It could have been better. but I tought the same thing about my x1 in the beginning, but now does it last 2 days some times.
2-3 hours when I am teethering the network and downlading with torrent on it tho... but that is things that takes alot of battery.

mine freezes with a blurry image aswell. not sure about the actual quality since ive only seen them on the phone itself.
ive got another question tho, does your camera in macro mode make noise when pressing the button halfway(focusing) its like a loud click, very mechanic sounding?
id say the x2 had a much better camera so far

l4rsh said:
mine freezes with a blurry image aswell. not sure about the actual quality since ive only seen them on the phone itself.
ive got another question tho, does your camera in macro mode make noise when pressing the button halfway(focusing) its like a loud click, very mechanic sounding?
id say the x2 had a much better camera so far
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The loud click is from the autofocus and it is normal!

allright coming from an iphone without autofocus so i didnt know that, cant remember the x2 i had for a week having that sound though.

l4rsh said:
allright coming from an iphone without autofocus so i didnt know that, cant remember the x2 i had for a week having that sound though.
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My X1 has the same clicking noise. It's just not that loud. But hey, it's not the same camera either.

flash
hi . i juz bought an x10, howevr i am a little worried about its FLASH. is it necessary to swtich on the photo light and click pics? if not then from where do i change the flash settings

charbiwala said:
hi . i juz bought an x10, howevr i am a little worried about its FLASH. is it necessary to swtich on the photo light and click pics? if not then from where do i change the flash settings
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Yeah. You have to turn on the LED in settings before it's usable. I've read that it's a limitation in 1.6 but I don't know really. Seems to work great on HTC Legend with 2.1 though.

Yeah, what is the flash like on the x10? Is there a flash????

theres no flash, only a constant light that will blind you!

l4rsh said:
theres no flash, only a constant light that will blind you!
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Yeah, that's true. But I've never really felt the need for a good LED flash, i just use it as a flashlight.

How would you rate the camera then?

dubdec99 said:
How would you rate the camera then?
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I thought the camera in the X1 was pretty good actually but the one in the X10 is insanely great! The image stabilizer is just GREAT! I don't know how I could live without it with my X1! The image quality is great too!

For anyone interested in photo samples from the X10, check this thread from the Esato.com forums:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111&watch=topic&start=15

getting the most from the camera?

Hello
anyone have any tips for getting the most from the camera? just using the stock cam, but unless the photo is taken with the lighting from the sun, it looks abit poo
anyone have any tips for making it that tiny bit better?

Get vignette.It is a paid app but totally worth it.

CLEAN THE LENS.
There's so many threads on here with pictures from people's phones, and they're all fuzzy because the lens has something on it. Even if you can't see anything, wipe the lens before taking a photo.

isthisreallife said:
Get vignette.It is a paid app but totally worth it.
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i hve vignette, but in my opinion it looks alot crapper then the stock so i uninstalled, though i didnt refund it

aussiesausage said:
i hve vignette, but in my opinion it looks alot crapper then the stock so i uninstalled, though i didnt refund it
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Same here.
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aussiesausage said:
i hve vignette, but in my opinion it looks alot crapper then the stock so i uninstalled, though i didnt refund it
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Tbh vigette is actually, i just take the pictures using the stock camera app and from there i just edit the pictures using vigette
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well generally x10 camera suffers from over exposing, and pictures lack of contrast and they are bit washed out. Stock camera app has greatest usabillity, because yu can choose macro and sport modes (with others aswell) nad you can change exposure, but in terms of image processing it is worst, because it uses highest JPEG compression(think they improved it in 2.1) and colours al always pale (except reds).
Vignete is good cause it uses flash, and uses minimum JPEG compression but they are both behind Camera 360 app, which has best image processing.
EDIT: I added a reply from Tuxstyle on one simillar topic I started:
"Well, more important than those modes is:
- use the EV compensation.
go with it minus one or two steps and keep the sun behind you.
also, lowering the EV helps in low light too because will reduce the ISO.
ofcourse, in low light you will need better hands
- another very very important thing is: metering modes.
for macro images use spot (also use spot if you have most of the image around your object with one color: ex. a kid in the snow. in this case camera will do the metering where your focus point is ... the kid ... so the kid will be "better exposed").
use average for landscapes and other "wide" images ....
center ... well, for close stuff.
- do not enable image stabilization.
trust your hands
the camera on X10 is compressing the images way too much so, they become soft.
image stabilization will make them even more soft than that.
What i don't like about the X10 camera is the focus.
I have no idea how is choosing the focus point(s) so, i decided the camera app is crap.
I started to use vignette but is slow as a pig riding a donkey so, i moved on.
Camera360 is working fine.
You have time to wait for the pic to be saved and you know you won't loose a good shot?
Vignette is better. Better quality and best focus from this 3 apps.
Camera 360?
Focus almost as good as vignette.
Quality almost as good as vignette but if you zoom a little you can see the difference.
Speed? A Ferrari vs. Ford Focus (not RS ) if you compare it with Vignette
Hope this helps."

Xperia X10 Camera tips for better results

Hello people
We have a wonderful 8 megapixel camera and if used properly we can get really amazing shots.
Lets discuss some tips and tricks we use to make the result even better.

Oh we have? I thought you said that android native camera app is much easier, better and faster to use? And now you make a thread for tips and tricks?
Why not give us a link of the android camera app. Its much easier dont you think?
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I just flashed from 2.1 to 2.2 (wolfbreak's rom)
Any tips and tricks for that?

when taking pic which is less than 10 CM we use macro,but does anyone has a idea how to take a similar pic like a portrait where only the person is focussed rest is blurred ,something like DSLR takes!!

My tip is to use the new HD1080 mode.... Seriously my pics since the last camera update have been incredible. Better than my digital camera by far.

kunalgahlot said:
when taking pic which is less than 10 CM we use macro,but does anyone has a idea how to take a similar pic like a portrait where only the person is focussed rest is blurred ,something like DSLR takes!!
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yeah I would also like to knew that
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kunalgahlot said:
when taking pic which is less than 10 CM we use macro,but does anyone has a idea how to take a similar pic like a portrait where only the person is focussed rest is blurred ,something like DSLR takes!!
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just click on the screen where is that person is stand.
if its work click thanks button

Hussain Isa said:
just click on the screen where is that person is stand.
if its work click thanks button
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does that work for Xperia too,its looks like a feature in Iphone...i know that multi auto focus...but i don't know if we can focus by click on a particular spot on screen..!!
or can we

i've 3 ROM in my SD,
First : CM7RC2v012 for all days
Second : 2.1.A.0.435 Generic for photos
Last : TripNMiUI 0.2.9) for tests
i dont flash the baseband ; just "backup/restore" with xRecovery.
Exemple of photos with my x10i :

fiscidtox said:
My tip is to use the new HD1080 mode.... Seriously my pics since the last camera update have been incredible. Better than my digital camera by far.
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I've tried the HD1080 mode, and I still find it worse than vignette, nothing beats vignette in my opinion, except that its so slow.
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Even with stock camera,what are the best settings to get amazing pictures...like some tweaks in normal settings...
Does anyone find difference between single autofocus and multi autofocus!!

i make my photo with this settings
- macro
- 8M
- very-high quality
other in "auto"

What is hd1080 mode guys?
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Nigeriax10holland said:
What is hd1080 mode guys?
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It's widescreen, and the pics are amazing quality.
Ever since the new camera upgrade for 2.2 it's been a new selection. I find it fantastic

fiscidtox said:
It's widescreen, and the pics are amazing quality.
Ever since the new camera upgrade for 2.2 it's been a new selection. I find it fantastic
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Wasnt it available in stock rom, wvga or something?
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blondprod said:
i've 3 ROM in my SD,
First : CM7RC2v012 for all days
Second : 2.1.A.0.435 Generic for photos
Last : TripNMiUI 0.2.9) for tests
i dont flash the baseband ; just "backup/restore" with xRecovery.
Exemple of photos with my x10i :
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Wow how did you get such vibrant colors? I am using stock 2.1 (435) rom and all my greens and yellows are washed out - i get a bluish tinted image....tinkering with white balance does no good either

fiscidtox said:
It's widescreen, and the pics are amazing quality.
Ever since the new camera upgrade for 2.2 it's been a new selection. I find it fantastic
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Dude, all it is is wide screen. The quality is even lower than the 6mp wide mode.
Trust me, look at the compression on that mode.
Stick with 8mp mode
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Mr Patchy Patch said:
Dude, all it is is wide screen. The quality is even lower than the 6mp wide mode.
Trust me, look at the compression on that mode.
Stick with 8mp mode
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Well my pics look way better in 1080 mode, so much that I've been getting comments on how good they are. The focus on the 8mp has been terrible, pics look pretty bad. I compared modes and the 1080hd is much better

fiscidtox said:
Well my pics look way better in 1080 mode, so much that I've been getting comments on how good they are. The focus on the 8mp has been terrible, pics look pretty bad. I compared modes and the 1080hd is much better
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Ok, now your making me wanna check this again. I really didn't put alot of time in it. Im gonna compare that against vignette 16:9 mode which is outstanding.
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bbsrailfan said:
Wow how did you get such vibrant colors? I am using stock 2.1 (435) rom and all my greens and yellows are washed out - i get a bluish tinted image....tinkering with white balance does no good either
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photo make with big sunshine @ south of france
(sorry my english)

Bad pictures from camera

Hi.
I just received my Arc and I'm shocked by something : the camera does bad pictures, cause the codec is lame. A 8Mp photo take less than 1Mo.
Can someone fix that in a rom or a kernel or is this to hard to do ?
Thanks.

the photos from almost every other Arc are incredible.. I suspect you have a problem... maybe you're settings are wrong .. or there's a fault.
Look here for examples of how good it is.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1035589

Look at one of mine (all are the sames).
http://sberfini.developpez.com/DSC_0005.jpg
http://sberfini.developpez.com/DSC_0010.jpg
By the way I'm using an LT15i (3.0.2.A.181) not rooted nor unlocked.

I've just rooted by arc. Is there a way to fix the jpeg compression ratio? It's way too high by default and images are losing details as a result.
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you can try vignette that barely compresses at all - but everyone is pretty much saying that the photo's from stock cam are still better!

im_iceman said:
you can try vignette that barely compresses at all - but everyone is pretty much saying that the photo's from stock cam are still better!
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Thanks mate. Yeah I noticed almost everyone's saying that...but if one was to put the facts together, picture size alone for a 8MP resolution image can't be less than 1MB...
Will try Vignette and see if it's better. I just hope there's some kind of tweak (like in the HTC HD2) where you could set the compression ratio to further improve the quality.
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You should try checking your camera setting OP.
Vignette is good, except it takes longer to preview the image in real size, and the unnecessarily 5~6x larger files with slightly worse quality than stock camera app.

ArcOnFire said:
You should try checking your camera setting OP
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What's settings are you talking about ?
What's the difference between the one's who have a good quality photos and the others ? The firmware ? They have a LT15a instead of a LT15i ?
Please help me to understand.

Did you use auto scene recognition? The picture has some heavy noise in it, so I suspect you play with exposure value or select night scene mode.
2nd picture is blurry; Did you hold your arc firmly when taking the picture ?

Yes I'm using the auto scene detection. Should I disable it ?
For the fisrt picture, the flash was activated.
And yes, I was holding it firmly.

I use auto scene detection for most of my photos and they seem much better quality than yours there. Try some outdoor shots and post them, indoor ones can have a lot of noise if the light is low anyway.
I once had similar problems with a nokia n95. Everyone was posting great shots and mine were horrible. Turns out the handset was faulty.