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Hi All,
I have updated to the latest AKU3 ROMs and also a few months ago I replaced the housing...However, I've noticed that the screen does not automatically rotate when the screen is swivelled??
Now is this because I did something during re-assembly of the housing OR is there something in the ROM's that disables the hardware somehow??
Cheers
ODY
Unlikely to be the rom, since it's part of the system HTC provided.
If it's been disassembled it's more likely that.
V
vijay555 said:
Unlikely to be the rom, since it's part of the system HTC provided.
If it's been disassembled it's more likely that.
V
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hey VJ, sorry to bother but do you know what jumper/cable/connector/switch to jump/disconnect/tape inside the Universal to keep it from switching?
I'm sure I saw someone mention that the screen rotation is done by a magnet and switch? It's possible that maybe a small magnet fell out during disassembly? But I have looked throught the Universal repair manual and I can't find any reference to such a magnet??
I'd be nice to know exactly where it is so one would be able to take it out, if it were easy. I don't know if I wanna disasemble mine yet...
EDIT found it!! If you use a very, very light metal chain, as I did, with a keyring @ end, you can hover it around the Universal and see the tension of the chain when it's near the magnet. the keyring sticks too!
it's on the lid, behind the video-call video camera. I'm going to check the lid part of the manual.
Well taking the screen section apart is easy! You don't have to disassemble the whole unit. Looks like my magnet fell out then! Trouble is I want to sell mine so I'll just have to declare the auto screen rotate doesn't work (I've made sure that there is the rotate screen icon on the task bar though!!)
Cheers
Ody
odyseus said:
Well taking the screen section apart is easy! You don't have to disassemble the whole unit. Looks like my magnet fell out then! Trouble is I want to sell mine so I'll just have to declare the auto screen rotate doesn't work (I've made sure that there is the rotate screen icon on the task bar though!!)
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Ody
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it works!! I tested it with the very small and highly magnetic point in the bezel of my tablet PC (to hold the pen) and it did change orientation.
thing is that it seems to be stuck beside the sound-holes (when the unit is closed).
I wonder how could I disassemble the lid only? are none of those screws @ the bottom connected to the back part of the lid? if so, that would be awesome!
Hi, on the xda's ftp, you'll find the maintenance manual for Universal...may help you to disassemble yours
thanx for the link!
however, it seems rather risky to try to pry the bezel open while still on the unit. Anyways I'm doing it right know. I'll get back to you.
I did pry it out and took the magnet off... painless(*) procedure and flea-sized magnet! don't loose!
I took a couple of pictures detailing the magnet position and the lid disassembled while still on the unit.
if you want to do this procedure do not loose the tiny screws and...
(*) be careful with the outer speaker (the one that lets you hear a call while the screen is facing the keyboard when closed), it isn't hard wired, it's just two small and fine contacts that might get distorted when putting the lid cover back... I had to take mine out again to correct this problem.
also, be careful with the screw driver and digitizer, as you'll be working in very akward positions to avoid disassembling the whole unit, and take off the battery of course.
Thanks for the photos - looks like my magnet feel out so I bought some 1/8 inch square magnets from ebay. It took a couple to find the sweet spot where the screen rotated but at least it works fibe now!
Cheers
Ody
odyseus said:
Thanks for the photos - looks like my magnet feel out so I bought some 1/8 inch square magnets from ebay. It took a couple to find the sweet spot where the screen rotated but at least it works fibe now!
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Ody
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no problem. I'm also going to put the magnet back, now the unit doesn't now when it's closed, and therefore the outer speaker does not work. the screen also does not turn off when closed, only when the system timer tells it too... oh well.
you can turn the screen off by pressing the power button briefly.
no ext speaker though! maybe there's a way in software to disable just the rotation; i think the guys trying to get linux comfortable on the universal have some experience with it, maybe they can help.
when i run windows media player the screen strats to rotate. its very nervous. i flashed my rom and it continued to rotate. please help!
terzer said:
when i run windows media player the screen strats to rotate. its very nervous. i flashed my rom and it continued to rotate. please help!
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Emmm..?? Not something I've had. With TCPMP Coreplayer I would get all sorts of jumping and jittering. Is this when you open the app or when playing video. Maybe you could give more detail?
Mike
only in media player and only when i play mp3 and the tytn is in my case in my pocket. when i pull it from my pocket and when i open the case the screen is rotated. the hardware keyboard is in place, i don't know what is the problem!
10x!
terzer said:
only in media player and only when i play mp3 and the tytn is in my case in my pocket. when i pull it from my pocket and when i open the case the screen is rotated. the hardware keyboard is in place, i don't know what is the problem!
10x!
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Are you using the case with the strong magnetic catches. The screen rotate switch is operated by an internal magnet when you open the keyboard, BUT the case magnets also have a habit of operating the switch. You can test this by placing case magnet near bottom right corner of screen!!
Mike
Amazing! your a genius!!
I kept thinking why the heck is my screen in wide mode any time I get it out of my case.
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Amazing! your a genius!!
I kept thinking why the heck is my screen in wide mode any time I get it out of my case.
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Ha! well "Genius" yeah..... sounds kinda good but not deserved sadly
Yep, can be quite annoying, though not really harmful. Some folks were convinced the magnets were responsible for all sorts of problems/crashes etc. This has not been shown by real evidence other than the screen rotation issue.
Mike
aaa!!! yes!! you nare genius! that was the problem! 10x!
i'm wondering will the magnets damage the device...
10x very much!
yeah... and when returning from powersave mode, a Hermes always goes to portrait mode. I believe its a workaround for the above magnet issue
However, when I'm using my TyTN on the stand for my BT keyboard I keep it in landscape mode.... This workaround then becomes a maddening bug.
Of course, there my also be some setting I haven't stumbled on yet that controls this...
I've written an app that disables the auto-rotation (VJUzumaki). However, it's not being released immediately, but very soon.
I don't think this feature can be controlled through the registry or an easy external hack.
V
The main need for the lock screen is in the following situation:
Phone is in your pocket (or bag), a hard key is accidentally pressed, the device wakes up. This by itself is not a problem, since without anything else happening the device will go back to sleep, but, if another hard key is pressed while the device is active (screen press can not happen while in pocket, since it's capacitive), the device can start do annoying things.
Now, if the proximity sensor can be designed to switch on when device wakes up, and put it back to sleep (immediately) if device is in pocket/bag, this will kill the need for a lock screen. This is totally possible and just awaits the programmer who wants to make our lives easier...
hm. try pocketShield?
it locks and unlocks your device by use of the light sensor.
Interesting. I will use it for now.
The problem with using a light sensor is that if you use the phone in the dark it won't unlock. Proximity sensor won't have this problem hence it's a better sensor for the task.
Apparently this will happen even without the help of the XDA community...
I've just sent the following email to PocketShield:
Hi,
I would like to know if you are working to utilize the HD2's proximity sensor for unlock (like you did for Omnia). If so, when should we expect a version with this feature ?
Thank you very much.
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This is their answer:
That’s the idea, but can’t confirm that yet because we are not sure if hooking into the proximity sensor will be possible. Hope yes, as in Omnia2. Just received our new HD2 today and will start to dive into it next week.
Best Regards,
Jim
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so has anyone tested this for the hd2?
http://www.pocketshield.net/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpxY9t34TTI
Noam23 said:
The problem with using a light sensor is that if you use the phone in the dark it won't unlock. Proximity sensor won't have this problem hence it's a better sensor for the task.
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Use TouchLockPro. It has both light and proximity sensor and it is free.
kweiss10 said:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpxY9t34TTI
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Looks like the guy from the answering machine has found a new job
won't this increase battery drain dramaticly? i think it will becouse it will be constantly looking for light and using that proximity sensor..
Noam23 said:
The main need for the lock screen is in the following situation:
Phone is in your pocket (or bag), a hard key is accidentally pressed, the device wakes up. This by itself is not a problem, since without anything else happening the device will go back to sleep, but, if another hard key is pressed while the device is active (screen press can not happen while in pocket, since it's capacitive), the device can start do annoying things.
Now, if the proximity sensor can be designed to switch on when device wakes up, and put it back to sleep (immediately) if device is in pocket/bag, this will kill the need for a lock screen. This is totally possible and just awaits the programmer who wants to make our lives easier...
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You are wrong about one important detail though. The screen is very sensitive and can easily be pressed through the lining of your pocket, and even through fairly thick fabric like jeans.
it's a capacative screen...
capacative scree = no stylus/fingernail/penny/spoon
it wont be acvitating throught screen contact.
impossible. (unless you have rrrrrealy thin pants, and the current can pass throught them)
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it's a capacative screen...
capacative scree = no stylus/fingernail/penny/spoon
it wont be acvitating throught screen contact.
impossible. (unless you have rrrrrealy thin pants, and the current can pass throught them)
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hi, the pants didnt have to be that thin. i think the hd2 screens also vary a lot, in being more or less sensitive. another thing is that people are deifferent when it cames to electric fields. also sweating can affect the display. i startet programs and other touchscreen things already, when the device was in my pocket.
regards mad
jamieeeee said:
won't this increase battery drain dramaticly? i think it will becouse it will be constantly looking for light and using that proximity sensor..
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In the case of Pocketshield, it won't. Because all sensors only turn on during a short period of time (seconds). Once you unlock or turn off, sensors go to sleep. This is one of the reasons why "auto lock" is not possible, because that will indeed involve a permanent monitoring on the sensors.
saintnickxiii said:
it's a capacative screen...
capacative scree = no stylus/fingernail/penny/spoon
it wont be acvitating throught screen contact.
impossible. (unless you have rrrrrealy thin pants, and the current can pass throught them)
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You don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say it was sensitive to pressure, but rather that direct contact between skin and the screen is not necessary. Holding my finger on one side of the fabric, and the other side of the fabric touching the screen, this is registered by the screen as a touch EVERY TIME. There are maybe materials that completely isolates the screen, for other materials it probably depends on how thick they are. For me it is certainly possible to influence the screen even through pretty thick cotton fabric (maybe other types of fabric too, I wear mostly cotton), leather, and even paper. Just to test it, I just did a slide to unlock my HD2 through a pile of papers (granted it wasn't a very thick pile, only six sheets of paper thick), and through my leather shoes (this was a little trickier, I had to to make sure that my foot made good contact with the leather at the point where I was sliding my phone across the shoe). i can interact with the screen through normal denim jeans fabric without any problem, and the pocket lining of trousers are usually quite thin, so accidental interaction with the screen seems almost unavoidable if the screen is unlocked in the pocket.
I have actually had some problems a couple of times when the slide to unlock had been deactivated on my HD2. I once took my phone out of my pocket and it was at the confirmation screen for factory reset, and I have actually had the phone hard reset on me once which I suspect may have been caused by the slide to unlock being deactivated. I would never knowingly put an unlocked phone in my pocket, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but you're welcome to do as you please.
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You don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say it was sensitive to pressure, but rather that direct contact between skin and the screen is not necessary. Holding my finger on one side of the fabric, and the other side of the fabric touching the screen, this is registered by the screen as a touch EVERY TIME. There are maybe materials that completely isolates the screen, for other materials it probably depends on how thick they are. For me it is certainly possible to influence the screen even through pretty thick cotton fabric (maybe other types of fabric too, I wear mostly cotton), leather, and even paper. Just to test it, I just did a slide to unlock my HD2 through a pile of papers (granted it wasn't a very thick pile, only six sheets of paper thick), and through my leather shoes (this was a little trickier, I had to to make sure that my foot made good contact with the leather at the point where I was sliding my phone across the shoe). i can interact with the screen through normal denim jeans fabric without any problem, and the pocket lining of trousers are usually quite thin, so accidental interaction with the screen seems almost unavoidable if the screen is unlocked in the pocket.
I have actually had some problems a couple of times when the slide to unlock had been deactivated on my HD2. I once took my phone out of my pocket and it was at the confirmation screen for factory reset, and I have actually had the phone hard reset on me once which I suspect may have been caused by the slide to unlock being deactivated. I would never knowingly put an unlocked phone in my pocket, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but you're welcome to do as you please.
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oh, i didn't know it was that sensitive, then, i can really see a need for an apps like this.
but, what about just a normal case? slip it in and out? i mean, i think that COULD solve your problem in a 'no thrills' sorta way... but it wouldnt be as exciting now would it?
madbird said:
hi, the pants didnt have to be that thin. i think the hd2 screens also vary a lot, in being more or less sensitive. another thing is that people are deifferent when it cames to electric fields. also sweating can affect the display. i startet programs and other touchscreen things already, when the device was in my pocket.
regards mad
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this of course is also true.
taking this into account, i would suggest everybody ground themselves. lol, no... just kidding. i don't even think that would help.
Hi all! Im in love with this community from day 1
its my 1st thread though seeking for help/advice/your superior knowledge
Thing is that i want to mount my phone in my car using a small magnet attached somewhere at the dashboard and stick my HD2s back cover which is metallic...
my question is: is it possible because of the nature of the magnet to cause problems in the phones operation?? like radio interference or something like this?
looking forward to your answers
i think a magnet may interfere with the touch screen. not positive on this but am sure i`v read somewhere about tiny magnets being in the tip of some capacitive screen stylus`s. a stronger magnet to hold a hd2 would surely result in some type of touch screen interference. but like i said am not a 100% certain.
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i think a magnet may interfere with the touch screen. not positive on this but am sure i`v read somewhere about tiny magnets being in the tip of some capacitive screen stylus`s. a stronger magnet to hold a hd2 would surely result in some type of touch screen interference. but like i said am not a 100% certain.
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magnetism will not affect a capacitive touch screen. It will however mess about with the compass!
A capacitive Touchscreen works like a capacitor, whichs field is "spread" over the surface of the screen. By tapping you will change the the resistance of the oscilating resonant circuit, which has a specific resistance (which is related to the dielectric medium, which is changed by your finger)
With this, the phone is able to locate your finger in X + Y axis to find out where you have tapped.
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magnetism will not affect a capacitive touch screen. It will however mess about with the compass!
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Yes, obviously it will but thats the least of my worries as it wont be permanently attached to the magnet and the times it will, i wont be needing the compass app.
so if thats the only problem i think im gonna give a try to this project...
A capacitive Touchscreen works like a capacitor, whichs field is "spread" over the surface of the screen. By tapping you will change the the resistance of the oscilating resonant circuit, which has a specific resistance (which is related to the dielectric medium, which is changed by your finger)
With this, the phone is able to locate your finger in X + Y axis to find out where you have tapped.
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Does this mean that a magnet at the back could interfere with the circuit of the screen? and if yes i guess is temporary right?
waiting for more thoughts/input on the subject
Maeffjus said:
A capacitive Touchscreen works like a capacitor, whichs field is "spread" over the surface of the screen. By tapping you will change the the resistance of the oscilating resonant circuit, which has a specific resistance (which is related to the dielectric medium, which is changed by your finger)
With this, the phone is able to locate your finger in X + Y axis to find out where you have tapped.
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WOW!!!! your talents are wasted on here my friend!! lol
**** turpin said:
WOW!!!! your talents are wasted on here my friend!! lol
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this is school knowledge...
after some trial and error i found out that the back cover of HD2 although it looks metallic apparently its not coz it can't be attached to a magnet...
That would only mean that it is not made of an iron compound
Benz-Driver said:
this is school knowledge...
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not in my school my friend lol must say it wasnt the nicest, the teachers had a torrid time! lol i DO know how to use a bunsun burner, is that any help? lmao. Happy Christmas bud.
magnet
I think it is made from stailess steel.magnets do not work on S/S.
ardsar said:
magnetism will not affect a capacitive touch screen. It will however mess about with the compass!
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Is that true? I know old compasses relied on a magnetised needle to work, but I thought the compass in the HD2 got it's direction from the GPS and the accelerator software??? How would a magnet affect these?
Armes said:
Is that true? I know old compasses relied on a magnetised needle to work, but I thought the compass in the HD2 got it's direction from the GPS and the accelerator software??? How would a magnet affect these?
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no it's a dedicated compass hardware
Actually, even my notebook apparently hurts it! Looses calibration
yes several times when i opened the compass application arround various interferences it asked me to move it in the usual 8-like movement to calibrate itself..
what about the rest of the phone and memory and SD card wouldnt it affect the storage ? i clecned out my speakerphone with a very small magnet yesterday to get all the lil pieces stuck on it.
and after that my phone(touch pro2) completely froze up and kept freezing up after first input untill i did a hard reset.
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i think a magnet may interfere with the touch screen. not positive on this but am sure i`v read somewhere about tiny magnets being in the tip of some capacitive screen stylus`s. a stronger magnet to hold a hd2 would surely result in some type of touch screen interference. but like i said am not a 100% certain.
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i did another little test with a small round magnet around 2cm diameter. i moved it around the back of the phone while looking at the screen and i didnt notice any interference to the screen, at least to my eyes it looked like the magnet did not interfere with the phone at all.
However i moved the magnet to the screen and tried to touch the screen gently with the edge of the magnet and the screen responded immediately and it looked very precise too! i did several presses to the screen with the magnet and in all of them the screen responded exactly as it should, just like it should with the press of a finger, i even wrote some letters as text and it worked great. so i guess thats how they make capacitive stylus..
next time im gonna try to draw on notes application and see how precise it is on that.. (as long as i find a smaller magnet that i can handle better than this one)
i might try to make my own capacitive stylus....
why not....
I have attatched a magnet to the back of my HD2 so i can use my vent mount, i havent noticed any adverse effects.
could anyone share any experiences for a good working stylus for the hd2?
this phone is stupendous but alas i have to use it for work and the software we use requires very tiny touches and signature signing.
have tried the ones on e-bay (rubber topped pencil turned upside down)
which is crap...have now tried the htc and dagi ones with the tiny red dot and they are just not cutting it.
has anyone done any homemade experiments or come across a moe "pointy" stylus
toodle pip amigos
I got some, and they were crap...
davidcampbell said:
I got some, and they were crap...
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Unfortunately you are all too correct!
With the glass screen!
Put a protector on it and they work!
I have been using the dagi long slim one and it works ok, I do have a screen protector on though so maybe this helps... makes selecting text and writing Chinese characters much easier (I use my hd2 to study/translate Chinese so being able to use a stylus to do this is pretty great)... its a bit fiddly to start with as you need to learn how to use it properly, but once you get used to it everything is ok...
Most of the styli are crap, I need something with more of a point, but that's probably not possible. Still waiting for some sort of battery powered pen that offers pin point precision, a guy can dream right...
i'll try to put a screen protector on as suggested and try...
my problem is it's no good mastering the dagi myself as i have to get customers signatures and most people simply can't use it...
it deffo needs something more pointy.
i'm sure i read somewhere on the forum about a guy who was filing something to a point till it stopped working???
i'm so frustrated as this is the only phone in 8 years that uses my works software flawlessly...except stylii
I have ordered the official htc stylus 400.
arrives in 2 weeks and i'll post comments.
read a review after ordering that it actually scratches the screen!
I guess i should have waited for the 400/2 version!
look on the bright side, will probably misplace it by the second day anyway
I've tried using my DS stylus but that doesnt work, seems like it was made for bigger objects to come in contact with the screen (ie fingers).
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I've tried using my DS stylus but that doesnt work, seems like it was made for bigger objects to come in contact with the screen (ie fingers).
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It`s not about the size of objects. HD2 has capacitive screen.
"A capacitive touchscreen panel consists of an insulator such as glass, coated with a transparent conductor such as indium tin oxide (ITO).[2][3] As the human body is also a conductor, touching the surface of the screen results in a distortion of the body's electrostatic field, measurable as a change in capacitance. Different technologies may be used to determine the location of the touch. The location can be passed to a computer running a software application which will calculate how the user's touch relates to the computer software."
Wikipedia
thanx for input guys..i least i know about capacitive screens now thanx to kregowski...although i sorta knew.
so if someone could come up with a small pointy thing that gives off some sort of electro staticy stuff...we in..
the search continues
Got the dagi (10 euro from Hong Kong). I am not amused... Touching the screen with the complete tip flat on the screen is annoying to get used to. Often only the side of the tip touches the screen.
When the tip is flat on the screen (which it should) it just does not feel OK. Not "delicate".
Which the screen responsiveness lowered and the tap-reaction time increased (which I did just to be able to get some decent fingertyping results) the dagi does not function adequate. I have to aim more accurate then with my fingers and have to press the dagi on the screen.
Putting the screensettings to default (which I did not try yet) reinstates all the drawbacks in the other functionalities.