Is WAP still in use?

Is WAP still in use? - Networking

Hello everyone,
First off, I apologize if this is the wrong type of question, but you are the only community I know that has the knowledge of the technical details am I looking for. I have asked this in several communities but failed to deliver a proper question and get a proper response. In any case, if you are about to delete this post, please direct me to a more appropriate community.
Here is my train of thought, I hope you can follow:
So, I have this presentation about the Wireless Application Protocol (WAP) which I am having a hard time finding any recent news. All I can find is old articles about WML 2.1 and new phones that support WAP.
The more I search the more I start thinking that WAP is a thing of the past. But the problem is that I am not sure if this is correct. If it is dying, what is replacing it?
The WAP is a stack of 5 protocols. The top one is the application layer which includes the WML language. Under WAP are the various wireless interfaces (CDMA, EDGE, etc). WAP browsers send requests to WAP gateways in order to view a website which is written in (or translated to) WML. So far, so good.
What about Opera Mini??? This a browser designed for mobile phones that is capable of reading HTML (to a degree). How does Opera Mini access the internet? My guess is that it is not using WAP, but the standard TCP/IP stack. Can a cell phone (not a smart phone) use the TCP/IP stack? Is it powerful enough? What about Mobile IP? Is it TCP/Mobile IP?
I know that WAP is still in use. Motorola recently announced a series of low budget cell phones that are WAP-enabled. But doesn't the speed of 3G and the average phone with WiFi support renders WAP useless?
So, I guess my question is: if a mobile phone today (both cell phones and smart phones) access a website using a HTML-capable web browser, does it use the standard TCP/IP stack, a mobile version of it, or each phone has a proprietary model?
Am I even making sense??? :S
Thank you for your patience.

there are still wap pages out there but doubt that will inc
if your network operator support it wap pages will work in any browser
just as ugly www pages

Parts of WAP are still in use, however the majority of it has been replaced.
As I understand it the first version of WAP required special gateways and didn't use HTTP as the application layer. WAP 2.0 however dropped all this rubbish, and just went with HTTP.
In regards to the wireless protocols, the GSM protocols GPRS and EDGE are still used when there is no 3G signal available, however 3G is the preferred method. I don't believe there are any operators who only provide a 3G service without GSM fallback. 3G networks typically use a packet-switched network design for data services, similar to the internet.
The format of the pages themselves is another interesting one. The majority of 'mobile sites' nowadays just use regular HTML, or a subset of it. There are a few different XHTML standards targeted at mobile devices. The level of support varies greatly between handsets, however practically all phones made in the last five years will support some sort of CSS. WML is a markup language designed for WAP usage, however AFAIK it is basically not used now. I don't believe smart phones (Android at least) even support rendering WML pages. WML is an even stricter subset of HTML, and to be honest I don't really think is worth bothering with
Hope this helps, if you want some clarification of anything let me know!

thelucster said:
Parts of WAP are still in use, however the majority of it has been replaced.
As I understand it the first version of WAP required special gateways and didn't use HTTP as the application layer. WAP 2.0 however dropped all this rubbish, and just went with HTTP.
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That was exactly what I wanted to find out. Thank you very much.
So, if I understand this correctly, when a mobile application wants to access a website with standard HTTP, it still uses the WAP 2.0 Stack; correct? If this is true, then Android or iPhone, or WinMo, or the rest, all have the WAP 2.0 stack embedded in their OS? Or is the WAP stack old and it has been replaced by proprietary TCP/IP implementations?
I think I am a little confused :S
thelucster said:
WML is a markup language designed for WAP usage, however AFAIK it is basically not used now. I don't believe smart phones (Android at least) even support rendering WML pages. WML is an even stricter subset of HTML, and to be honest I don't really think is worth bothering with
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Well, WML was for WAP 1.0. WAP 2.0 supports XHTML Mobile Profile. So since there is no WAP 1.0 there is probably no WML also.
thelucster said:
Hope this helps, if you want some clarification of anything let me know!
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It indeed helped. Thank you very much.

Hi, this thread has some factual errors, so figured it may be valuable for someone who looks for information and ends up here, to have a set of good information available in the thread.
kimolias said:
So, if I understand this correctly, when a mobile application wants to access a website with standard HTTP, it still uses the WAP 2.0 Stack; correct? If this is true, then Android or iPhone, or WinMo, or the rest, all have the WAP 2.0 stack embedded in their OS? Or is the WAP stack old and it has been replaced by proprietary TCP/IP implementations?
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I am not sure what "mobile applications" that want to access websites you are talking about. The typical apps available on a device from the factory that need to connect somewhere are Browser, MMS and Email applications. Of these, the Browser is the one that wants to access a website and the browser has built-in the protocols it needs.
And also to clarify lets make it clear that WAP specs includes both specs for markup language (how to display the content) as well as transport protocols (how to send/get the data). But, for this post I will only comment on the data transport protocols and completely ignore the markup languages (WML, xHTML-MP and HTML) and how or where they are used.
BROWSER
Let's split the Browser into two types of browser first, to make things a little more clear.
1) WEB Browser
2) WAP Browser
The WEB Browser uses the "regular" HTTP protocol to connect directly to webserver (on top of TCP/IP provided by the operating system) to get content.
The WAP Browser can use WAP 1.2 (Wireless Session Protocol/Wireless Transaction Layer) to connect to a WAP Gateway, and the WAP Gateway in turn uses regular HTTP to get the content from the webserver.
The WAP Browser can use WAP 2.0 (Mobile Profile HTTP) to connect to a WAP Proxy, and the WAP Proxy uses regular HTTP to get the content from the webserver.
I do not want to make this confusing by even mentioning the secured versions of the above, cause it's messy.

MMS (a.k.a picture messaging)
Multimedia Messaging also uses WAP. When a MMS Message is sent to a cellphone recipient, the cellphone actually only receives a SMS message (a.k.a. text message) which includes a Notification that a new MMS message exists. Then, the cellphone must open a data connection (GPRS,3G, CDMA or whatever the device/carrier uses) and then use WAP 1.2 or WAP 2.0 to connect to a WAP Proxy or WAP Gateway and then use that connection to download the actual MMS Message. When sending messages the cellphone also uses WAP 1.2 or WAP 2.0 and WAP Gateway/Proxy to deliver the message to the carriers MMSC (Multimedia messaging center).
EMAIL
Email has it's own set of data transport protocols. Depending on the users account it could use protocols like POP3 or IMAP to receive and manage the arriving emails. To send, it could use the SMTP protocol. Unless, it's a Microsoft Exchange email client and uses MS proprietary protocols.
Conclusion so far: As you can see, "mobile apps" can use a variety of protocols to get or send data over wireless connections. Generally the only thing they have in common is that they all ride on top of TCP/IP and the operating system creates that TCP/IP layer on top of the wireless technology (GSM/CDMA/3G/4G/WiFI etc) connection.
To return to the original question of whether WAP still is in use (in 2010), the answer is that WAP in use in almost every handset on the market and doing well. However, it is the WAP protocol stack that today is the important part of the technology. WAP 2.0 pages (xHTML-MP formatted) are also very common and ringtone delivery pages etc all use this over WAP connections as this way the carriers can charge for the content with your monthly bill. Without it, they can't control the payments and credit cards or other means must be use.
Further, if you buy a ringtone or similar by sending a text somewhere, you get a WAP Push message in return with a link for downloading the content. This link would not work over regular HTTP as then the carrier can't track if you downloaded the content you paid for or not.
For Android or Meego or other "new" popular platforms, the OEM maufacturers of devices can buy the WAP Stack's for WAP connectivity or MMS from companies like Winwap Technologies (winwap.com) that specifically provide such technolgy for the manfuacturer.
In the end, the consumer does not need to know if HTTP, WAP or something else is used as long as they get what they paid for and want.
Hope this helps somebody?
Cheers,
Aaron (a developer of mobile that's been around too long...)

TEXT, MMS, and Email formats
I may not be using the proper verbage however I am hoping the process/question is clear.
Are the different protocols used for the three above needed for actual transport of the specific message types etc?
I am assuming the phone / computer / ??? has the protocol to play/view. Could they all be sent via sms text type format. Message plus attachment sent via wifi? once reaching destination program opens them ?
I am sure you woule need applet and servlet but is there a protocol that can do that without using a cellconnection plus data connection?

t_galownia said:
TEXT, MMS, and Email formats
Are the different protocols used for the three above needed for actual transport of the specific message types etc?
I am assuming the phone / computer / ??? has the protocol to play/view. Could they all be sent via sms text type format. Message plus attachment sent via wifi? once reaching destination program opens them ?
I am sure you woule need applet and servlet but is there a protocol that can do that without using a cellconnection plus data connection?
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Generally anything is possible if you have access to the infrastructure. But, if you are not a telecom carrier or big enough OEM manufacturer - your only choice is to use what is available.
EMAIL: WiFi is fine for email, but you still need to run SMTP on top of WiFi to send the actual email to some SMTP server.
MMS: WiFi is not fine for MMS, unless you have MM7 or other special access to the telecom operators MMS Center.
TEXT: WiFi can not be used. TEXT (correctly called SMS or Short Message Service) uses it's own protocol that's built into the GSM/CDMA protocols. Impossible to send over WiFi unless you use WiFi to send to your own server where you have an actual wireless modem that sends out the TEXT (or again; you can probably pay your telecom carrier and spend money to build a system that let's you send your TEXT over WiFi to some server that handles the rest for you).
hope this helps...

Excellent feedback
abbe-dev said:
Hi, this thread has some factual errors, so figured it may be valuable for someone who looks for information and ends up here, to have a set of good information available in the thread.
I am not sure what "mobile applications" that want to access websites you are talking about. The typical apps available on a device from the factory that need to connect somewhere are Browser, MMS and Email applications. Of these, the Browser is the one that wants to access a website and the browser has built-in the protocols it needs.
And also to clarify lets make it clear that WAP specs includes both specs for markup language (how to display the content) as well as transport protocols (how to send/get the data). But, for this post I will only comment on the data transport protocols and completely ignore the markup languages (WML, xHTML-MP and HTML) and how or where they are used.
BROWSER
Let's split the Browser into two types of browser first, to make things a little more clear.
1) WEB Browser
2) WAP Browser
The WEB Browser uses the "regular" HTTP protocol to connect directly to webserver (on top of TCP/IP provided by the operating system) to get content.
The WAP Browser can use WAP 1.2 (Wireless Session Protocol/Wireless Transaction Layer) to connect to a WAP Gateway, and the WAP Gateway in turn uses regular HTTP to get the content from the webserver.
The WAP Browser can use WAP 2.0 (Mobile Profile HTTP) to connect to a WAP Proxy, and the WAP Proxy uses regular HTTP to get the content from the webserver.
I do not want to make this confusing by even mentioning the secured versions of the above, cause it's messy.

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Free GPRS wap to view the net is this possible

I have read a few posts but dont fully understand.
I am in the UK and pay for Web GPRS but wap GPRS is free, Now i think i read some where where people had set up at home a sort of gateway using there home broadband service.
They have said that certain ports are blocked on a wap connection (so youu cant go on the net to view we pages) so they find a port that is not blocked and use that port and set it to goto here PC at home, and the "gateway" at home will send them back out onto the NET via there home PCs internet connection.
Sorry if this dose not make sence
Thanks
John

Interent through WAP
No. I don't know much about that. but I have tried to use internet though WAP. I used "wsp://" instat of "http://". It works for some internet pages. But it doesn't work for all web pages.
Where did you read about what you have send in the email before?
Do you have more information aobut how to use internet though WAP?

i found the info on the forum it was in a few different threads i will look and post the links to them

The T-mobile free wap allows tcp ports:
http 80, smtp 25, imap 143, pop3 110
So if you need https 443, run a squid web proxy on your home linux machine on port 110 and go to network settings on your pda and configure the http and "secure" proxies for your.home.com 110.
If you need other tcp ports like say nntp 119, run sshd on your home linux machine listening on port 143, then use pocketty on your pda to connect to your.home.com 143 and also set up port forwarding to forward localhost 119 to some.nntpserver.com 119, then configure your pda newsreader to read news on localhost 119. Set up similar port forwards for any other ports. The only problem is pocketty isn't free.
-K

You linux programmers seem to have doors that dont exist for normal software users, I wish I could understand how to use it.

What are the connection settings we need to use in the U.S.? I found some info that says to use internet3.voicestream.com or wap.voicestream.com, but my phone doesn't connect. It immediately gives a me "modem disconnect" error message. Has anyone gotten this to work?

I got it!!
Nevermind... I got it to work. I had to call T-Mobile and have them activate the "free GPRS/WAP service" on my account. It took me 2 calls since the first tech said that you can't even use a wap browser on the Pocket PC Phone (yeah, right). I hung up with that tech and call them right back and got a person who knew what they were talking about. Once I had them activate it, it took about 20 minutes for it work (the tech told me it could take up to 24hrs.). Here's what I did on my phone.
Settings:
- Add new GPRS Connection
- Name the Connection to whatever you want
- Make sure to select "Celluar (GPRS)"
- Click "Next"
- Enter Access Point Name of: wap.voicestream.com
- Click "Next"
- No username or PW
- Click "Finish"
If you get on great. If you don't and recieve a "Modem Disconnect" error, you'll need to call CS and have them activate your account to use the free GPRS/WAP service. They say it's just for wap sites and to d/l pictures and ringtones from the T-Mobile site, but it works for most http sites as as well.

T-Mobile USA GPRS cannot reach google web sites

I signed up for the T-Mobile USA internet (GPRS) few days ago.
I could establish the connection using my Universal.
I could browse most web sites, and could download emails from my company exchange server and Hotmail.
Only one strange thing, i could never download emails from Gmail. It will go to the login process, and when it reaches the Sending and Receiving... it will go forever.
I also noticed that I could not browse any google.com web sites including www.google.com, mail.google.com, news.google.com etc..
I tried to get T-Mboile technical support help but it has been useless and helpless. Somebody told me that it might be something to do with the MTU size that the T-Mobile network can pass along today.
If I swicth over the connection to Wifi or dial up via GSM, I can reach everything including Gmail and Google web sites just fine, from the same device (Universal).
Any one, that uses T-Mobile USA GPRS as well, can you please help?
Thanks.

hey I have t-mobile usa also but with the PDA2K (BlueAngel) when I was running WM5.0 and now back to 2003se I had no problems connecting to google.com/pda but I do know that their is a registry hack to make it go to the default google.com but I wouldn't advise it, becuase it interfeirs with other web sites.
Also T-Mobile has 2 data plans WAP and Total Internet the wap is limited to wap sites and such but the other is open to all sites, check your settings to make sure you are connecting to GPRS and not WAP.....
The difference is like 20 or 30 a month though
WAP 19.99 or 9.99
GPRS 29.99 and up for MyMail or VPN MyMail

I have the full GPRS (the new name: Total Internet for $30). Now its bundled with the hotspot and they are not longer offering the $20 for GPRS only.
Can you tell me what access point you set in your device? Mine is set to wap.voicestream.com and use no proxy. i noticed some ppl posted before that they proxy instead.
Thanks.

your connection is incorrect if you notice it is set to wap. even though you have the total internet that is only connecting you to the wap
your access point should be
internet2.voicestream.com or
internet3.voicestream.com
I used 3 on WM5 and it was fine I also use 3 on wm2003se

negative. I could connect to internet2.voicestream.com but not internet3.voicestream.com
internet2.voicestream.com gives me exactly same result.
I can connect to any websites but not google.com with both wap.voicestream.com as well as internet2.voicestream.com
very strange. anybody in Texas particularly has same issue?

I'm out of Massachusetts, but was in Dallas a few days ago and had no problem connecting to Google. I use internet2.voicestream.com

This issue has been driving me nuts for 6 months. I've been trying to nail down the problem, I'm wondering if it's a regional setting with T-mobile's servers or incorrect account set ups. Some people with other Universals and Wizards in other area's claim they do not have this problem.
Here's a general thread on Ho-fo that's been getting some hits, when I posted about it here on XDA forums there wasn't much response.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=605044
I actually have a couple friends how work for T-mob that thought the problem was with my JasJar until they got ahold of the MDA and discovered the exact same problem.
I've emailed google, just got a response saying they would forward the concern to their tech's. Please share any info or response you get so we can try to get this resolved!!

I've actually had the same problem and I'm on Cincinnati Bell (which is also Cingular & AT&T). I used to be able to connect with no problem on my PDA2k but with the Universal I can't connect. Actually, I've been able to hit the www.google.com/pda site and type in a search but then it just sits & spins forever.

I have the same problem with my MDA from T-mobile. It only happens sometimes. It always connect to google and m.gmail when using wi-fi, but is very hit or miss when connected over GPRS.
Thats the least of my problems however, as I am constantly getting dropped from the GPRS data network even with full coverage, and I'm in the NYC area. I have alerted T-mobile to both problems and am considering turning in my device since i still have a week to do so not because of the device but because of the connection issues with the network.
This has been a bit of a nightmare when it comes to email, because I came from using a blackberry where all my accounts were instantly pushed, to this now when sometime i get email, sometimes not, my Gmail doesnt work properly, and it can take a half an hour for the email to finally reach me.

No problems here
I have no problems connecting to Google.com from my Blue Angel, or from my friend's Wizard. I'm still waiting for my Universal.
I don't have Total Internet Plan, though. I just have the T-Zones hack: In Settings/Connections/Connections, go to "Edit my proxy server" and select "Advanced". HTTP server should be set to 216.155.165.50:8080. Any other HTTP settings should be cleared.
I've noticed in the past two days, however, that Google seems to have changed what it considers a "mobile device", based on the client's User-Agent string. It goes to www.google.com/xhtml if it detects a mobile device. Previously it went to www.google.com/pda , but for a smaller number of devices. Google's "mobile" page has fewer links on it, and is not as useful as the main page.
I use NetFront 3.2, which allows me to change the User-Agent string to make it look like a desktop browser. Today I changed it to:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en) Opera 8.51
I also changed the language/platform to en/x86.
This seems to make Google go back to the normal page.
But no connectivity problems are happening with GPRS. I can search Google, browse results, search newsgroups, search News, etc.
There was an T-mobile outage reported in California last week (search HowardForums). Perhaps this is related (routing issues?).
PS: It seems to depend on the User-Agent, whether www.google.com/pda or www.google.com/xhtml is used. If I run Pocket Internet Explorer, it still goes to /pda (searches work fine). If I run NetFront with factory settings, it goes to /xhtml. If I run Opera, or change Netfront as above, then it goes to the Google main page. In no cases does it have problems connecting. Response is a little faster on the main page, though, which would seem to indicate that Google Mobile does something which is slower.
[rant]
Google saying that they "don't support T-Mobile devices with Google Mobile" is like saying "best viewed with xxx browser". The phone provider should have no effect on the usability. Nor should Google have to go out of their way to provide a different experience for Mobile users, or to second-guess their needs based on a User-Agent string -- anyone with any browser should be able to use Google, and nothing special should be done for mobile.
I say disable Google Mobile, by changing the User-Agent.
[/rant]

I have a T-Mobile MDA with the Total Internet plan and Google works fine for me.

Thanks for feedback folks. This isn't a new issue, I've had this problem for 6 months. I currently have my user agent set to IE 5.5/NT so that I can access my bank web page, I've tried several combinations of user-agent settings with no luck, can you explain the exact changes I'd need to make to try your current setting?
Also, I'm hoping that when Netfront releases a WM5 compatible version I can run through a proxy server (which I've also heard solves the problem).

This is with Blue Angel (SX66), WM2003, T-Mobile T-Zones proxy, NetFront 3.2, so your mileage may vary. I will be getting an O2 Exec any day now.
Tools/Browser Setting/Misc/User Agent/Edit
Title: (anything you want to call it)
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en) Opera 8.51
appName: (blank)
appVersion: (blank)
appCodeName: (blank)
language/platform: en / x86
Tools/Browser Setting/Network/Proxy (T-Zones only, not Total Internet)
Use Proxy: (checked)
Proxy (hostort) 216.155.165.50:8080
Note that NetFront 3.3 is coming out soon. I'm sure it will support WM5.0, but right now Access says "(* Its verification is not completed.)"
Have you tried Opera? It works with T-Zones proxy, at least in WM2003, if you set the proxy in the GPRS Connection Settings.
It might be worth trying the T-Zones hack. Go to My T-Mobile, log in, and then go to this T-Zones page (if that does not work, go to "Plan&Services, Learn About Services, Communication, T-Zones"). Add T-Zones (aka T-MobileWeb) to your plan. Then you should be able to use the proxy as described above. You can remove it later if you don't want to pay the $6/month extra. Some people have even reported being able to add it and remove it immediately, but keep the services.

I tested to connect to the internet via T-Mobile GPRS with my universal as a USB modem hooked up to my laptop.
And it gives a totally different behaviour compared when used directly from the Universal (with pocket IE and Mail application).
Besides a decent speed, I could browse to google, perform search etc, everything seems to work perfectly (from my laptop, Universal as a USB modem). When I browse the same thing again from the Universal, same problem occured again, never get any search result back from google, and GMail will stuck in the step "Sending and Receiving..." which will go forever until it times out.
I also tested with my Wallaby the same thing to make sure its not the device problem, and it turned out the same problem exists also.
I really could not pin point where the problem is. Please help to think, folks. Its not the device problem? Is it T-Mobile GPRS network problem? Or what?

Are there packet sniffers for PPC? Something like tcpdump, traceroute, ping? That would be my next step. See where it's hung up.

There are some PPC tools for that stuff, I played with an app called TCPTune (I think) but couldn't accomplish anything, I'm totally ignorant of the network stuff.

Re: No problems here
leek said:
In Settings/Connections/Connections, go to "Edit my proxy server" and select "Advanced". HTTP server should be set to 216.155.165.50:8080. Any other HTTP settings should be cleared.
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Holly crap I made this change (still with full Tmob internet plan) and a few registry edits based on your Netfront settings (probably butchered my registry) and manually forced a connection via my WAP settings and THEN LOADED GOOGLE OVER GPRS!! FULL HTML GOOGLE, NEWS GMAIL, IMAGES, ON MY JASJAR VIA GPRS OMG!! I'm really feeling very strong emotional feelings of like towards you right now Leek! :lol:
I'm having some trouble with google local not returning results (starts to load a page with a text box and then stops), not sure why but I suspect it's a problem with my hacked up user agent registry settings.
So, here's my question - I really don't mind paying the full $20 for regular GPRS (and wouldn't want to worry about full access via the $4.99 tzones going away), how do I either make this work using my regular GPRS settings (so I don't have to use an alternate connection) or how do I get the WAP settings to work as my primary settings for all programs? I was able to update my feeds and load images over this WAP settings just fine, but when I tried to check my email or load Agile messenger it tried to load my regular GPRS settings.

In order to figure out exactly which change made this work I went back and reset my PPC to a backup from last night. The only registry edits I have now are my old ones that made PIE show the version as "MSIE 5.5" & the platform as "Windows NT 5.0". Other than the changes below, I'm using the T-mobile CAB settings from i-mate.
I went into settings > connections > and below My Work Network I went to Manage existing settings and then clicked on the Proxy Settings Tab. The two check boxes were already checked but the proxy server was blank so I entered the 216.155.165.50 and then click on advanced. and it then showed that server under Type HTTP but the port was 80 not 8080, I then clicked on the HTTP server and edited the port to 8080 and then hit ok. I left all the other servers that were listed as is.
From the main Connections > Settings screen I then clicked on manage existing connections, it brought up the T-mobile WAP connection and then I click-held on that and selected connect. I then loaded PIE, navigated to Google and grinned as it loaded everything.
Under this connection type most other web pages I've been trying work fine, although some (like howard forums and search.yahoo.com) don't work. *edit hofo might be down right now*
The problem I was having initally with Google local (via web, haven't tried the local java app) is resolved and it now loads fine, as I suspected it must have been my hacked up user agent registry settings. I'm now also able to check and send POP email with this WAP connection, Agile Messenger connects to the servers.
Big thanks to leek for posting this fix here, now how can I make this my default connection and should I try to downsize my account to just the $5 tzones account?

found how to make it the default connection method (connections > settings > advanced > select networks > and then set the top drop down to "my work network".
Leek, buddy, I owe you a case of beer... This had been driving me nuts for 6 months, you solved it!!!

hi galt and leek,
I'm so excited to read that you guys succesfully solved this.
i could not try it out anymore, I changed my T-Mobile plan yesterday, I removed my total internet plan as I don't want to pay $30 per month without even able to access my primary email account: Gmail and google around.
SO, can you give summary again how to make this works?
I assume no extra application to install beside all standard application built in WM5.
Pls clarify:
1. Get T-MobileWeb /t-zones plan ($5.99)
2. set the proxy setting for HTTP with the port 8080 and left others empty (including the SOCKS, WAP)
3. Use the APN: wap.voicestream.com
Do I miss anything? Any reqistry setting I have to make?
That's it? And you can have full access to the internet? Can you clarify if Gmail is working via POP3?
I tried the proxy setting when I still had my total Internet plan but it did not work out. :`(

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What is the difference is anyone of them better then the other or what is the deal. I have the pda unlimited plan which setting should i use?

An oft asked question (by me, in fact) ... and after much research, it is not clear (to me) that there is one correct response. General consensus seems to be that if the wap.cingular settings work for you, use them and don't worry about it (but you may want to not use "medianet" settings, since those have proxy settings associated with them, and the proxy settings can cause heartburn trying to use wifi and some sites).
Beyond that, purportedly there are some sites that may only work with the isp.cingular setting instead of the wap.cingular setting, but I have not found them (except, at times, the yahoo mail beta site). After much deliberation on the issue, I just use wap.cingular (with no proxy settings) and it works great, and fast.
For some old discussions on the subject, check out these threads:
-- on the cingular forums
-- on these forums

I had great luck on the mediamax plan using wap.cingular without the proxy. I did however find one exception that forced me to switch to isp.cingular and the higher cost unlimited pda connect plan. outlook web access using the html browser did not work well for me with wap.cingular, with or without the proxy. it would log me out every few minutes and I would have to log in again. it seemed to have something to do with network address translation and switching between two towers. not sure, but it is much better using isp.cingular.
this was the only exception I found.

It's all very cloak and dagger isn't it? Gotta love the phone companies: they'll do anything to not give you what you want.
Here's the deal: wap.cingulargprs.com uses a shared address with NAT; isp.cingulargrps.com assigns a public IP. Neither of these plans support inbound Internet traffic to the client (that is, they don't support push). For that you will need an unlimited PDA data plan, convince someone to add a certain feature code to your plan. and then configure the "internet" apn. The downside with going that route is that your PDA is now subject to all of the security risks that any computer with a public Internet address would be at risk for.

Using a Proxy Connection

Hello.
I have a HTC Touch (Elfin) and have recently gave up my option for 10MB Mobile Internet for a Vodafon Live option with 500MB included.
I realised then that the Vodafone Live connection implies using a http/wap proxy wich will only allow internet acces for the web browser (Internet Explorer as well as Opera or Opera Mini work fine) but not for other applications like Instant Messenger Clients, Games or other similar.
I would like to know first of all if there is a way of tricking that proxy connection so I can be able to use other applications with online functionality.
Secondly, if that is not possible (as I suspect) I would like to ask if there are other applications (besides internet browsers) that could youse a http connection for their purpose. Most important would be an Instant Messaging one with Yahoo protocol support.
Thank you for your help.
edit:
In case it matters, this aplies to Vodafone Romania.
For Vodafine Live, the apn is live.vodafone.com (user live, pass vodafone) and the proxy are only defined for http (with 8080 port) and wap (with 9201 port). Secure wap and socks proxy are undefined so probably cannot be used/

Same problem here. Help would be very apreciated to make aplications like outlook , messenger or VNC client to work with http proxy conection.
@glumetzu : incearca shmessenger , e facut de romani si merge pe Java

i have same issue, but there is a workaround kinda...
i came back to romania now to visit family and i got a sim card, number and prepaid data service with vodafone.
my apn is live.pre.vodafone.com, but uses the same user/pass and proxy settings and suggested above.
i noticed that once i connected with microsoft rdp, it wouldnt work. nor would my internet video security cameras from home, which all use different ports.
now here is the strange bit. using another apn without a proxy worked fine on the phone itself. i forget which one it was, and will not test now to find out. it was either live.vodafone.ro or live.vodafome.com but without using the proxy settings. it worked for me no problem. the problem was once i connected to the laptop to use the usb internet sharing. i took the money from the voice phone balance and after a few hours i was disconnected. both data and calls couldnt be made since the balance was -1.19 euro lol
anyways, point is there is an apn settings that seems to work on the phone only without limits in regards to ports or proxies. this worked fine without killing my account balance. it was only once i connected with the laptop that it killed it.
i'm currently researching on how the network gateways are able to detect this.
however using the proxy server with the apn live.pre.vodafone.com i am able to use my full 250mb package from the laptop without affecting the voice package account balance, not sure how or why this works but i have confirmed this in real-time while at a vodafone store in cluj. the sales lady had access to monitor voice and data usage for my account and we tested using the apn and proxy with the laptop. it didnt affect the voice plan money.
so for a quick answer, you can use a laptop and tether the connection. but be careful and double check ur balance after u download a test file using the laptop, just to make sure it wont kill ur account balance.
also, it works now. but for how long? more research is needed and maybe i need to play around with programs like ztunnel or an http proxy app that can tunnel ALL active connections from port to port and vpn through my home network. that would make it more secure and less likely to be picked up by the isp since they would only see port 80 activity going to one place all the time....

Any way to fully enable wap for applications on x10??

Hey everyone!
i was just wondering if there is any way to enable wap for applications in x10?
we can only use the main browser through wap...!
we can't use timescape or facebook or ebuddy or marketplace, track id or any other application.
any solution for this?
Thanks

By WAP you mean GPRS connection right? I'm using it for everything except Youtube when WiFi off
Have you set the GPRS setting? Or just do auto settings under mobile network settings?

I read on an other forum that there were people who had the same problem.
As I like to buy the x10, I'm really curious what might cause this. Unfortunally I haven't got a reaction on my question.
So I you find a solution, can you post it here?
Thx

holy_reds said:
By WAP you mean GPRS connection right? I'm using it for everything except Youtube when WiFi off
Have you set the GPRS setting? Or just do auto settings under mobile network settings?
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no, by wap i mean wap. Gprs is a complete different thing. In my country GPRS service cost 25$ for 250mb only.
wap is already unlimited for 5$ only. And i was using wap connection on my iphone (browser, opera mini, push/email, ebuddy, marketplace/itunes).
Now i cant use WAP with any of these applications! only the default browser is enabled. any solution ? :s

GPRS is a connection type, like WCDMA or CSM.
WAP is more like HTML, a data type. The default android browser can't display WAP formatted pages.
Do you mean dial up internet?

Wap is a gprs connection that uses a proxy server with a port: 80 or 8080
it is clear now ?

Shady.ak said:
Now i cant use WAP with any of these applications! only the default browser is enabled. any solution ? :s
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If you are with Rogers would you mind giving me a hand how to set it up for WAP on the default browser? Just a list of the settings will do. I tried different APN settings from various online sources and the settings from my old W810 but I couldn't even get browsing to work! I tried setting Opera Mini to use HTTP instead and of course nothing works. The unlimited browsing only plan I have is simply a waste at the moment. Thanks!
EDIT: after trying a few things I was able to get the default browser working... but no, the other apps don't work with WAP... not even if I set Opera Mini to use HTTP.

ok, i was having this problem too and i found a way around it.
you have to go to your APNs and edit the APN you are using.
go to the port tag (should be labeled as 80) and erase it making it blank.
save>restart your phone, everything should work fine.

iphonepimp said:
ok, i was having this problem too and i found a way around it.
you have to go to your APNs and edit the APN you are using.
go to the port tag (should be labeled as 80) and erase it making it blank.
save>restart your phone, everything should work fine.
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Tried this and only the default browser works...

I have experienced the same issues as described above,
if the default browser is working correctly however stand alone apps fail it may be the APN used has restrictions disabling the use of non-browser data traffic, commonly networks will have a minimum of 3 APNs, e.g WAP, MMS, and Internet.
On this basis I would recommend you ask you provider for the details of thier internet APN (commonly used when using your phone as a modem or email account access) and test accordingly.. if everything works this would confirm restrictions are in place, and a requirement to use an unrestricted APN for full functionality.
As noted different APNs may have differnt charging structures, hence the limitations sometimes when using wap apn access.

iphonepimp said:
go to the port tag (should be labeled as 80) and erase it making it blank.
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The port for my APN (Japanese version) was left blank by default, but I couldn't access my hosted email and website on the X10. Every other website and email worked fine. When I added 80 as the port, I can now access my hosted email and website without a problem.
I'm happy that this seems to have fixed it, but does anybody know why setting the port to 80 worked for me but gave problems for others?

had simualr problem ... calt my x1 support they said that i need to turn on roaming and then it workt .. this is becouse i use tele2 and they dont have there own network they only rent it from netcom so you need to turn on roaming that can be found in settings >wirreles network>mobile network (can have aother name ..my mobile is in norwegiang .. )try that,

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